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Possible 'proof' that Greedo was always meant to shoot

You’d think given the amount of times George has changed the scene, and his evolving & disproved claims about it, that he somehow cut his losses instead of further digging himself into an increasingly deeper hole? And just stop. Or apologise?

Or people who want to curry favour with George, or come up with strange new claims in an attempt to somehow ‘back up’ or give credibility George’s evolving and bizarre statements, would at least do some rudimentary fact checking first. Though, maybe not! 😃


A couple of discerning and informative articles on the whole Greedo debacle on the ‘Star Wars Visual Comparisons’ blog:

Greedo Shoots First (the Theatrical release through to the 2011 SE)

Greedo Shoots First, Take 4: Maclunkey (2019 SE / Maclunkey)

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Guides and How-To’s


Despecialized Editions by Harmy : Index of ‘How-To’s & Help’ Threads | Index of ‘General Despecialized Threads’ | ‘Where are they? And how do I get them?’ mega-merge thread… - by skywalker101 & oojason
Guide to Downloading Projects from Usenet - by Bluto
Usenet tutorial? - by ReverendBeastly
Moth3r’s guide to LD capture colour correction using AviSynth (emphasis on “correction”) - by Moth3r
Doctor M’s ÜberGuide for -Full- PAL to NTSC DVD Conversion v2.0 - by Doctor M
Rikter’s Guide: How to burn a DVD with a DVD-rom folder (or other folders) - by Rikter
Citizen’s Aspect Ratio Calculator Tool for your browser - by Citizen
How to capture HDCP-encrypted HDMI sources (Vudu, Netflix, Directv, Virgin Media, etc.) - by drngr
School me on rTorrent (or convince me to do something else) - by CatBus
UHD Blu-ray Authoring - Technical Discussion - by railerswim
Guide for Working with 4K HDR Blu-ray Rips in SDR - by 44rh1n
How to build a film scanner (need advise & help, please) - by monks19




Hardware & Software Recommendations / Requests…


Blu-ray writer brand model suggestions - by Rikter
Blu-ray burner/blanks discussion - by Laserschwert
Let’s talk blu-ray burning… - by SpilkaBilka
burning using bd-r xl or m-discs? - by joeyniji
laserdisc player recommendations - by austin_1138
Need some advice on which LD player to choose from my shortlist - by JayArgonaut
What PAL/NTSC Laserdisc players would you recommend me? - by Byakko
Need advice on choosing new LD machine - by Jetrell Fo
Difference in quality of laserdisc players - by charliesheen
Anyone have an x0 laserdisc player? - by drfsupercenter
Pioneer DVL-90 (Made In Japan) Laserdisc/DVD Player Settings - by Jetrell Fo
DVD+R compatable players - by Darth_Oatmeal
US Market Set-top DVD players that can play both PAL & NTSC DVD’s - by Rikter
Recommendations for Media Players - by Erikstormtrooper

DVD+R DL’s - by Doctor M
What is the best brand of blank optical media? - by Harmy
Verbatim Dual-Layer DVD’s - by dark_jedi
Best DVD-R brands today? - by SilverWook
Blank DVD’s: + or - ? - by Ziz
Particular DVD brands - by Sokudo Ningyou
Blu-ray Blank Media - by Jackpumpkinhead
Question on multi-disc DVD cases - by Chrysophylax
DVD clamshells…where to get them? - by weapon

Good capture card? - by reave
Good capture cards - recommendations? - by fwibbler
Capture Cards - by inurenegade
High-End video capture cards - by spoRv
Standalone CD recorder for Laserdisc audio capture? - by SilverWook

I’m sure this is old, but HOW do you download torrents? - by yavin02
A word to the Myspleeners - by JED
Torrents for little noobs like me?!? - by HotRod

Safe place to download Handbrake? - by Disney Ruined Star Wars
Best way to capture Hulu video - by ChainsawAsh
a Simple, effective video editor? - by darth_ender
New video format proposal - by Charles Threepio




Popular / Often-Asked About Questions & Topics…

General: Ripping / Capturing : Audio : Video : Editing : Authoring / Burning : Differing Formats



The general ‘How-To’ questions and reference request thread… - by Mark’s Down On Your Syntax
How to archive Betacam SP tapes? - by digitalfreaknyc
Is laserdisc better than VHS? - by Janskeet
PAL vs NTSC laserdiscs - by Citizen
VHS To DVD Problem - by Cable-X1
CRC read errors? - by dark_jedi
Seriously, what is so special about PAL? I mean I can only understand if that’s the standard where you live, but… - by marioxb
What is the deal with NFO files? - by marioxb
So, just how bad is pan & scan compared to widescreen? - by bkev
Burning in subtitles - quick HOWTO? - by Squirrel
Subtitles…help needed guys - by daveytod
Creating subtitles - by ReverendBeastly
Creating an authentic looking crawl - by SweHanzon
crawl generator (link) - by tellan
Can anyone make me a title crawl? - by solo21
v0.4 Star Wars Opening Crawl After Effects Template - by Taolar
Any Programmers Interested in helping write a Fan Edit Prototyper? - by xhonzi
Does VLC media player play in HD? - by Janskeet
Dual Boot? - by dark_jedi
Motion Control & Physical Models - by timdiggerm
How do You Play USF files - by Knightmessenger

Ripping / Capturing…

Capture Programs and Codecs (Laser to PC Project) - by FanFiltration
A query about straight LD rips for DVD back up…I AM a newb at this - by Jetrell Fo
What Laserdisc player do you use for capturing and why? - by Byakko
Beginner to capturing LD on PC. Help with new video card. - by captainsolo
Laserdisc Ripping? - by dark_jedi
Laserdisc viewing and capturing best current info? - by FenceMan
Curious about Certain Aspects of My (Primitive) LD to DVD transfers - by The Aluminum Falcon
Preserving VHS on DVDs? - by suspiciouscoffee
capturing VHS? - by dark_jedi
(PDI Deluxe) VHS capture questions for those wiser than moi - by WXM
VHS Capture? - by FrankT
Getting stuff off of the DVR. - by MikeO
Ripping video from DVD - by Max_Rebo
How do you rip DVDs? - by bingy13
Need help with DVD ripping on mac platform - by Rebel Scumb
Ripping DVDs on a Mac - by ChainsawAsh
Non-DVD transfers? - by Citizen
DRM removal on a M4V - by sunday256
How to extract BTM lost scenes? - by Johnboy3434
Quickie question about VOB ripping - by INv8r_ZIM
Serious ripping issues - by ChainsawAsh


Please explain “Bit-Perfect Audio Capture” for LaserDisc PCM - by zeropc
Should I compress sound? - by Dantha Fodder
hardware device as audio analog to digital converter (ADC) - by spoRv
Laserdisc PCM to low compressed AC3 - by spoRv
Audio Topic: Stereo to Surround up-mixing - by FanFiltration
Doctor M’s Stereo to 5.1+ Dolby Prologic II Upmix Guide - by Doctor M
Stereo to 5.1 - by Arnie.d
lossless 5.1 surround sound for bluray? - by timemeddler
Getting 5.1 and stereo mixes from video file with each channel as separate audio file. - by Harmy
PCM to 5.1 - by El Lono
Splitting up 5.1 - by Trooperman
Vegas and 5.1 audio mixing - by dugpa
How to convert DTS HD Master audio 5.1 to DD 5.1 - by dark_jedi
Digital Optical / AC3 RF de-mod audio cards? - by Orinoco_Womble
mp3 Volume Normalizer Programs - by TV’s Frink
How do you capture DTS from a LaserDisc? - by zeropc
HD audio from PC - by Harmy
Audio embedded in the TFA video file - by Lord Haseo
editing (blending, syncing, adding/subtracting) audio - by cyclista
High Dynamic Range - by Harmy
Audio Isolation Using Per-Sample (or near per sample) Mode Averaging - by nightstalkerpoet
Technical Help required for a Fan Edit: ‘Sonic X’ - with the Audio Mixes… - by nl0428
On MAC: Convert DTS-HD to wav/flac - by rnranimal
Info Wanted: How to download the audio from the Star Wars soundboard - by darth_ender
SUCCESS: Bit-Perfect Audio Capture!!! - by zeropc
Need Vegas 9 audio Help - by dark_jedi
Sound question - by tellan
Another Q for you audio experts - Stereo vs. Dolby Surround - by Moth3r
Help Wanted: A little audio help for/from those making fan-edit DVDs… - by Hardcore Legend
HELP!!! No audio in VirtualDub - by ThatArtGuy
DVD-Lab and multiple audio tracks? - by digitalfreaknyc
Re-editing the score - by Master Qui-Gon
AC-3 vs. MPEG audio? - by Jonno
Is my DVD to WAV audio rip real lossless ?.. - by ABC
questions about cropping/audio/bitrates - by Tomland Flash
Adding an audio track to a DVD? - by rubix
question about synching the gout with the mono mix - by skyjedi2005
Preserving Live Albums - by Cable-X1
Syncing Moth3r’s Release with VHS Sound? - by nin.nux
Remove Voice - by GhostAlpha26
Any tips for getting near to isolating the dialogue elements from a film soundmix? - by Bingowings
Lowering the sound pitch of PAL movies without having to slow it down? - by TheHelmetDork
DVD Ripping and Editing with Surround Sound - HELP ME! - by Asteroid-Man
[query] - converting RF to RCA video/audio signals - by negative1


Letterboxed Widescreen vs. Anamorphic Widescreen Discussion - by Moth3r
Letterbox —> Anamorphic? - by Hal 9000
Letterboxed to anamorphic video conversion - by wmgan
Anamorphic widescreen? - by kaine23
How Do You Tell If the disk is anamorphic? (not what you think) - by THX-1977
4:3(1.33:1) to 16:9 question - by dark_jedi
Guide to convert the GOUT DVD from 4:3 to 16:9 using freeware-tools - by Oldschooljedi
Converting non-anamorphic 1.66:1 DVD to 16:9 - by NeonBible
aspect ratio - by Adamwankenobi
DVD Reframing question - by Phlibbit
Blu Ray movies look…wrong - by theprequelsrule
Black Bars on Blu-Ray’s - by JediKnight8484
Creating true “black bars”? - by Hal 9000
Adding Black Bars to Premier project? - by Sober
Crop and Resize: prepare for / how to - by Arnie.d
Avisynth 4:3 NTSC -> anamorphic NTSC - by CatBus
Upscaling - by timdiggerm
Image registration on video frames (experimental) - by csd79
Combining two video sources to accrue detail - by a_o
Comb Filters - by AntcuFaalb
Info: cleaning up dirty frames for scenes - by negative1
Livelock with ColourLikeFBF - by Chewtobacca
Why MPEG2 is not as bad as you may think… - by spoRv
Color IQ test - by spoRv 😃
PAL 25i to NTSC 30i proper conversion - HELP NEEDED - by JawTDS
List of laserdiscs that contain video test patterns - by Moth3r
Help with interlaced video in After Effects - by Harmy
Off-Topic: de-interlacing video - by ReverendBeastly
Info: Subtitles and tsMuxer - by livserge
How to extract scenes from the 4K… series video files? - by yairisan
Info: Comb Filter Testing - by AntcuFaalb - A New Screenshot Comparison Site - Bug reports and Feature Requests - by Williarob
When does fullscreen show more than widescreen? - by Johnboy3434
Counter/logo removal on MPEG2 file - by Video Collector
Methods for colour matching/colour grading - by Moth3r
Three-strip Technicolor: Please help! - by AntcuFaalb
Color correction methodologies - by thorr
Color Grading/Color Correction - by Part-Time Nerf Herder
Colour matching for fan edits - by Laserman
Motion Compensated Frame Rate Conversion – free/cheap alternative? - by JawsTDS
How to average best picture from multiple captures… - by Jetrell Fo
Getting Best Quality out of MPEG2 - by Uhfgood
MPEG2 in Premiere? - by ReverendBeastly
1080i or any HD capture question? - by dark_jedi
Fixing Chroma Artifacts? - by Doctor M
Progressive scan questions - by canofhumdingers
Inverse Telecining: Best method for restoring original frame rates - by Doctor M
Ghosting problem - by bdev
Any Suggestions for Better Uprez to HD? - by darkhelmet
Techniques and ways of fixing Black Crush or Crushed Blacks - by Ronster
Restoration tips: Axis-Aligned Polygon Aspect Ratio™ - by spoRv
Technical question regarding PAL and color… - by Doctor M
Info: The Ultimate Super Resolution Technique - by NeverarGreat
A Non-Star Wars Question for all the A/V Experts Here… - by Galahad_Skywalker


Info: The process of actual FILM editing - negatives, interpositives etc. - by pittrek
Video Editing: Where Do I Start? - by Commander Courage
more editing - by jswert123
Video Editing Software - by Darth Chaltab
DV editing software recommendations? - by SilverWook
Brash’s guide to DVD editing…ON A MAC! - by brash_stryker
Don’t get technical with me… - by Hal 9000
Importing AVI into After Effects, MAC - by cruel1079
Muxing 4K83 issue - by Darth Robin
Info: AviSynth and VirtualDub - speed improvement - by spoRv
Question about inverse telecine and shimmering - by Doug Gorius
It’s going to take a LONG time for Womble to re-encode WookieGroomer’s HD Transfers, isn’t it? - by Johnboy3434
ADigitalMan’s Guide to MPEG2/AC3 Editing - by ADigitalMan
Unofficially Official LD-Decode thread - by Danfun128
combustion v after effects - by tellan
Got the LD rips - Now How Do I Make Them Work? - by electrictroy
limitedsharpen() with avisynth - by dark_jedi
Easy part done - Now 29.997 > 23.976, the hard part - by fwibbler
Why not 24p? - by THX
24p- Why, again? - by mcfly89
23.976 to 29.97 fps - How do I do it without speeding up the video? - by klokwerk
Rotoscoping help - by Hardcore Legend
Hi all, Need help with editing VOB file - by Darth Belan
How do you create swipes and scene transitions? - by Marvolo
Need video/audio help for a fan-edit, please [SERENITY: EE] - by klokwerk
PaNup: or, how to upscale PAL + NTSC capture and live (quite) happy… - by spoRv
Sony Vegas; some questions - by The-Lion
Fun with Photoshop - Denoising an LD capture - by Zion
Film cleanup (in avisynth I guess) - by Harmy
AviSynth and Virtualdub filters - by dark_jedi
Deinterlacing with Avisynth - by PaulisDead2221
A simple question regarding muxing AC3 and M2V/MPEG - by klokwerk
Problem with slow motion in Vegas - by Knightmessenger
?'s: ripping select scenes, & removing network logos - by Tomland Flash
Photoshop Help - by GhostAlpha26
Anyone Hi8 Experts - by Knightmessenger
Panorama() - an AviSynth function for converting 4:3 into 16:9 - by Moth3r
Please help me with histograms. - by Marvolo
After Effects CS3 help needed - by dark_jedi
Vdub and DVD Flickering - by Marshallator
Can’t import MPG with Vegas? - by thebutcher
Need help making custom AviSynth DLL - by CatBus
Laserdisc capture workflow. - by althor1138
Anyone have some suggestions on dealing with 2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:3 pulldowns? - by Space Hunter M
3:2 on laserdisc question - by CharlieX
Sony Vegas Problem please help! - by JediMasterFisher
AviSynth/VirtualDubMod YV12 problems… - by Lord Grievous
Adobe AE Questions - by GhostAlpha26
What codec do you use for editing? - by Trooperman
How to use HuffYUV - by Knightmessenger
DVD-Lab help, please… - by ThatArtGuy
Asteroid-Man’s Graphic Design Tutorial - by Asteroid-Man
Sudden blockiness of video while editing in PPro 2.0 - Problem solved! - by SweHanzon
A question about NTSC telecine - by Fang Zei
Rendering from Vegas, what’s the best way? - by Pagz
DVD Lab Pro 2 - Out Of Memory error with compiling - by maurice2029
Chapters not working in DVDLab - by ThatArtGuy
How can you make custom DVD Menus? - by Luke_Skywalker77
DVD Production - by jswert123
Working with DVD Storylines (seamless branching) - TEST FILE - by none

Authoring / Burning…

What speed do you burn DVDs at? - by Moth3r
DVD Burning Software - by Fluke Starbucker
Burning Dual-Layer Discs For The First Time - by andy_k_250
Burning Dual-layer DVDs - by pittrek
Blu-ray vs. DVD-DL - Despecialized Edition - by BB-8
Burning AVCHD via Mac - by Skyfocker
Burning the Despecialized to Blu-Ray - AVCHD / MKV - by BB-8
Help with Adywan’s Episode V Color Corrected 1080p DVD - by Docta Nick
Burn 1270x720 other than AVCHD by egosum
Help with burning Star Wars Episode IV v2.7 AVCHD - by iraheinichen
Encoding tips and ideas - by team_negative1
Final encoding: which software do you use? - by spoRv
What do you use to master your DVD’s? - by 88keyz
Authoring Help with DVDStyler & IMGBurn - by solkap
Buring AVI’s to DVD - Sync issues!!! - by HotRod
RatDVD - Please Use - by Ell the Ewok
Need help making Despecialized Edition DVDs - MKVs - by SpooneyToe11240
Need an objective eye. Having trouble with this MKV file - by BobaJett
Info Wanted: bh004 - how do I burn an iso to a dvd? - by daveytod
I need help figuring out how to re-author a dvd…details inside - by weapon
To the Creators/Faneditors who are creating DUAL-LAYER discs! - by eDroj
I NEED HELP W/DVD RECORDER! - by WeShallPreserve
Frustrated with DVD burning - by bad_karma24
Encountering errors trying to burn a DVD from a VIDEO_TS folder - by sunday256
Burning VIDEO_TS Folders: The Noob Thread - by Nanner Split
Unable to burn DVD+R DLs? - by bkev
BD authoring help - I need some testers and experts - by spoRv
AVC video decoding problem - by Harmy

Differing Formats…

Project release formats - what should we be using these days? - by Jonno
Future of Home Video - by Harmy
how do you convert 720p/1080p files to DVD and retain the HD? - by Monroville
How to make AVCHD Bluray DL DVD’s from raw .ts files - by dark_jedi
how to watch a .x264 file on my PS3? - by Echo3
How to play Despecialized Edition V2.5 on a PS3 if you don’t have a BD burner - by Moth3r
Playing AVCHD from USB stick on PS3 - by Moth3r
How to convert AVI to DVD files? - by HotRod
How to change HD to DVD? - by jephyork
converting MPEG2 to AVI - by ReverendBeastly
Info: m2ts to mkv - by MalaStrana
MKV to AVCHD in TS Muxer? - by Harmy
I need help with Star Wars 4k77 1080p from MKV files, SRT files?, to ISO file… - by TVSportsFB90
Need Help burning AVCHD or M2TS - by agr1170
MKV - by FrankT
Converting MKV for use with Adobe Premiere Pro without re-encoding help - by Matt_Stevens
HD-DVD to Blu-ray conversion with ClownBD - by Jonno
Having trouble converting Hal9000’s 1080p MKV’s to Bluray - by chyron8472




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An Index & Help Thread for Case Covers, Disc Labels, and Fan Art… - in Case Covers, Disc Labels, and Fan Art

SW Technical / Audio / Video / Quality Improvement threads & Projects… in the An Index Of Projects & Help Thread for Star Wars Preservations…

An Info & Help Thread for the ‘Fan Edits and Projects for Other Properties’ section… (Searches, FAQs, ‘Where can I find x?’, ‘Is there an Edit of film x?’, Myspleen, and more…) in Fan Edits and Projects for Other Properties

An Index Of Projects & Help Thread for Star Wars Preservations… in Star Wars Preservations

An Index Of Projects & Help Thread for Star Wars Fan Edits and Other Projects… in Star Wars Fan Edits and Other Projects


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If there any any OT•com threads you’d like to see included in here please post them below. Thank you 😃

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Possible 'proof' that Greedo was always meant to shoot

The author of those two $150 books, Paul Duncan, should really be checking his sources before making nonsense claims like that.

If he is making fairly basic mistakes like that, you have to ask if there are other mistakes or false claims is he also making?

I hope someone has saved the tweets or thread from the author for posterity? Sometimes people can get antsy and start deleting stuff when confronted by facts or evidence.

Audio Mixes used for the 2019 SE release of the Original Trilogy - any issues?

As Lucasfilm have had some some issues with their audio mixes for previous releases of the Original Trilogy [cough 2004 DVD and 2011 blu ray releases]… has anyone noticed or reported any issues or problems with the audio mixes on the 2019 SE releases?

Additionally, are they any good?



OT•com threads on the 2019 SE releases (and them appearing on the Disney+ streaming channel):

Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD – 27 DISC Boxed Set - by digitalfreaknyc (with some info on the 18-disc & 9-disc sets)
Changes to the Disney+ 2019 SE of the Original Trilogy - by yotsuya
Maclunkey - by screams in the void
Uncorrected mistakes or unfixed issues of the 2019 (Maclunkey) Original Trilogy release? - by Gonk-DB94
All Star Wars films released in 4K HDR on Disney Plus: 2019 SE with more changes - by idir_hh
Disney+ streaming platform : Star Wars content & various other info - by oojason


blu-ray•com info pages on the 2019 SE releases:

27-disc 4K UHD US version
18-disc bluray UK version (+ also the 9-disc DVD UK version)
SW single release 3 disc (4K UHD, blu ray + bonus disk) France version
ESB single release 3 disc (4K UHD, blu ray + bonus disk) Austraila version
ROTJ single release 3 disc (4K UHD, blu ray + bonus disk) German version

💡 An <strong>Index &amp; Help Thread</strong> for <strong><em>Theatrical Cuts vs. Subsequent Releases</em></strong>... 💡

I made a thing (or rather, completed a thing):

An Index of OT•com threads on all things the Audio of the Original Trilogy

As with Fated’s request above, if the mods deem it worthy, could you please add it oojason’s index?

An Index of OT•com threads on all things the <strong>Audio of the Original Trilogy</strong>...



There have been a number of people asking about where to find information on the various audio mixes, dialogue changes, sound effects used for the Original Trilogy films over the past few months.

So much so that oojason had started work on compiling an ‘Audio Index Thread’ (amongst some other ‘OT•com Archiving’ projects) shortly before he left the site. Thanks to oojason for allowing me to finish his project, and also to Fated-Dualist for asking ooj’s permission and forwarding me on the files and ideas I’ve been able to continue that work and have now completed this project thread (I think!).

Hopefully this thread will be of some use, interest and help for finding audio information on the Original Trilogy films. To both showcase and archive the knowledge, help and information (not to mention the resoluteness & dedication) of the OT•com members on here.

This is simply an attempt at an index for the numerous OT•com threads about all things audio in the Original Trilogy.

Also included in this thread are some hopefully insightful or informative online articles on the audio used for the three classic Star Wars films.

Some thread content may discuss multiple changes, cover various issues, or overlap into differing categories etc 😃

If you know of any OT•com threads or quality online articles on all things OT audio, and would like to add them to this Index, please post them below. Thank you.

The Main Categories:-

• The OT Sound Mixes
• Changes to Dialogue and Sounds in the OT films (and also alternative dialogue and sounds)
• General OT Audio threads
• OT Sound Effects (+ info on Ben Burrt etc)
• OT Scores, Soundtracks and Radio Dramas (+ info on John Williams etc)

^ Some OT•com threads and online articles may discuss various topics and issues, and overlap into different categories or subjects.


The ‘Original Trilogy Discussion’ and ‘Theatrical Cuts vs. Subsequent Releases’ sections of the OriginalTrilogy•com feature many, if not all, of the above audio threads found in this thread.

More Original Trilogy audio threads can also be found in the following threads and OT•com site sections:

Radio Drama threads can be found in ‘An Index & Help Thread for Beyond the Original Trilogy…’

OT Soundtracks threads can be found in ‘An Index & Help Thread for The Expanded Universe Discussion’

Audio Preservations threads can be found in ‘An Index Of Projects for Star Wars Preservations…’

Audio Quality / Improvements threads can also be found in ‘An Index Of Projects for Star Wars Preservations…’


If you know of any threads to include in here, or any insightful or informative online articles on the all things audio for the Original Trilogy please post them below. Thank you. 👍



The OT Sound Mixes


Star Wars sound mixes - by Moth3r
The “OFFICIAL” audio mixes of the Original Trilogy - Help needed - by russs15
70mm 6-Track Dolby Stereo mix differences - by mysycamore
Question on the 1977 70mm Soundtrack Recording - by REJ27
Empire Strikes Back 70mm - by Vaderisnothayden
The Empire Strikes Back: Sessions Questions (Two Music Cues In Particular) - by Tack
Hopefully the last 70mm vs. 35mm ESB audio differences thread - by morgands1
Anybody ever notice the audio drop-out on ROTJ? - by Mielr
Project: The other differences in the SW mono mix - by TServo2049
Mono mix music edit - Did anybody notice this before? - by TServo2049
Were the original unaltered mono or 2.0/4.0 matrixed sound tracks for the original trilogy on a home release? - by 10GigTriforce
Sound mixes from different versions of star wars - by kenkraly2007
4(as opposed to 3) audio tracks for the original theatrical run of Star Wars? - by danny_boy
35mm Stereo Sound Question - by m
7.1 vs 5.1 vs stereo vs mono - by Avatar_Emil
1981 Star Wars re-release- which audio mixes were used? - by SpilkaBilka
Difference between the theatrical versions and the first VHS home releases? - by J00CE
Question about the 85 mix - by Vaderisnothayden
Changes in 85 ANH mix - by Vaderisnothayden
Questions about audio mixes - by Vaderisnothayden
Additional material in ANH 1993 mix - by Vaderisnothayden
A New Hope: Theatrical 1977 stereo mix vs. 1993 stereo mix - by SpacemanDoug
70mm mix to ’93 mix comparison - by Belbucus
What was changed for 1995 THX version? - by Cthulhunicron
Pre-'97 VHS sound mixes? - by clutchins
1997 Special Edition Audio Mixes, GOUT-Synced (Released) - by HAL 9000
Star Wars Trilogy Special Edition Audio Visual Press Kit - by anthony72
Question about audio in Star Wars 97SE - Tantive Klaxons - by mutantchair
Any Interest In A Corrected 2004 DVD? (“Deliberate Creative Decisions” info) - by Neil S. Bulk
Can someone please explain WHY the audio on the 2004 ANH DVD is so messed up? - by AdamWankenobi
No DD 5.1EX in ANH…Ripped off We Want DTS (2004 DVD) - by MossMan
What sound mixes are on the 2006 DVDs ? - by pittrek_
Soundtrack for Star Wars OOT DVD? (2006) - by BountyHunter
So how bad is the 2011 Star Wars sound mix really? - by Funcha
Current issues with Star Wars 2011 Blu-Ray audio? - Funcha
Audio Mixes used for the 2019 SE release of the Original Trilogy - any issues? - by Gonk-DB94


Some general online articles & sources of information:-

Recording the Star Wars Saga - Analysis by Chris Malone - at Malone Digital (pdf format)
Star Wars Audio Mixes - at David Ely
The Sounds of a Galaxy Far, Far Away - at Wide Angle Closeup
Theatrical Audio Resources - at Saving Star Wars
Exclusive Interview: The sound of Star Wars - with Matthew Wood (2011) - at Home Cinema Choice
George Lucas, Star Wars & a Disappearing Cello - The Story of THX Cinema Certification - at THX
Unaltered Original Star Wars Trilogy on Blu-ray (sound mix info) - at (aka the Laserdsic Database)
How George Lucas’ Ideas Blazed Trails for Dolby Sound Over 40 Years of ‘Star Wars’ - at Variety
Star Wars (1977) - Dolby/Mono Mix Differences - at the SpaceHunterM YouTube channel
The Empire Strikes Back (1980) - Dolby/Mono Mix Differences - at the SpaceHunterM YouTube channel
Star Wars: what is the ‘definitive’, original 1977 edition anyway? - at Episode Nothing




Changes to Dialogue and Sounds in the OT (+ alternative dialogue & sounds)



Is there a list for Pre 97 Versions and their changes both audio/visual ? - by Afton Robotics
OT Audio Changes - by SkyderHouseMafia
I thought this was interesting - sound differences in OT releases - by 20th Century Mark
is there a list of 2004 DVD audio changes? - by tellan
2004 DVD, Changes in Sound? - by Jambe Davdar
Yes, I bet you have! (2004) - by tlbauerle
New dialogue found (more may be coming) A&E’s Empire of Dreams (2004) - by Hardcore Legend
OUT Audio: Pablo Speaks - by Zion
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!) - by Adium
Special Edition to 2011 Audio Changes - by DVD-BOY
Maclunkey - by screams in the void (when the technology didn’t exist back in '77, '97, '04, or '11 for Greedo to say ‘Maclunkey’)

Changes to Each Original Trilogy Film…


The Definitive - tractor beam - Close the blast doors - Blast it, Biggs/Wedge - you don’t taste very good - Noooooo!!!" - Preservation Guide - by russs15
“Close the blast doors” - by stealthboy
2011 Rocks and 2004 Krayt Call in this Clip from - by nickyd47
What’s Your Favorite Version of the Krayt Dragon Call? - by nightstalkerpoet
Obi-Wan’s Krayt Dragon call changed on DVDs (2004) - by Boba Fett
The Krayt Dragon Call (2011) - by The Nerd
Now it’s just getting ridiculous- Obi Wan’s new howl (2011) - by adywan
Voice dubbing in the first film - by TServo2049
Beru’s voice - by Moth3r
Star Wars (1977) Aunt Beru Original Audio - by dwsiddall
The missing Dianoga music - by Haarspalter


R2 doesn’t taste very good - by jeffreyschmid
“Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival.” What was the point? - by Stampede
“Bring my shuttle.” - by gulducati
The Emperor & line change in ESB SE 1997 - by auraloffalwaffle
DEVASTATED - by lostITlucas (re Boba Fett’s voice change)
All Stormtroopers with Jango’s voice - by Obi-wonton


What was your first reaction to Vader’s “Noooo” in ROTJ? (2011) - by Windows7Guy100
first “NOOOOO!” and now… - by RBS-1980
Lapti Nek History and Intrigue - by none
The Lapti Nek Appreciation Thread - by DominicCobb
The Surprisingly Strange Story of “Lapti Nek” - by AntcuFaalb
Max Rebo band SE - by Quackula
Am I the only one who prefers the old ewok music? - by swfan_79
Yub Nub music - availability? - by Mandriel_
Victory Celebration - by SS4DarthPayne

Some general online articles & sources of information:-

Detention Block Shootout Audio Evolution - at the SpaceHunterM YouTube channel
‘Special Edition Changes’ - at the Saving Star Wars website - re audio changes for '97 SE & '04 SE
One & Only Thread About Star Wars Trilogy Audio Quality (2004) - at DVD Talk Forums
‘Star Wars’ Blu-ray Controversy: Has George Lucas Made Two Terrible Audio Alterations to the Original Trilogy? - at Slash Film
A Pair Of Awful Audio Changes For The STAR WARS Blu-rays (2011) - at Film Bluff Online
Star Wars Original Trilogy Changes: Darth Vader’s “Noooooooo!” (and more) - at Star Wars Shot First
George Lucas Himself Gave Greedo the Last Word in Controversial New Star Wars Edit (2019 SE) - at Vanity Fair
The New Emperor Scene in Empire Strikes Back is the most worst post-release change in all of Star Wars - at Screen Crush
MACLUNKEY! The Han/Greedo scene has an inexplicable change on Disney+ because George Lucas will never stop changing it - at Tech Crunch
The 15 most pointless changes George Lucas made to the original Star Wars trilogy (inc audio changes) - at DigitalSpy




General OT Audio Threads…


1997 SE:-

Going to Mos Eisely music used in 2011 Blu ray/1997 Special Edition onwards? - by Patricier

2004 SE:-

Star Wars DVD Music Mix Botched!! (2004) - by Neil S. Bulk
Letter to LFL about DVD Defects (No OT vs SE discussion) (2004) - by ADigitalMan
Any Interest In A Corrected 2004 DVD? (“Deliberate Creative Decisions” info) - by Neil S. Bulk
Can someone please explain WHY the audio on the 2004 ANH DVD is so messed up? - by AdamWankenobi
2004 DVD 2.0 sound - by Harmy
Why wasn’t Hamill on the commentary? (2004 DVD) - by SpecialEditionSaboteur

2006 GOUT DVD:-

Do you think they’ll fix the sound issues? (2006) - by SpecialEditionSaboteur
audio campaign? aka “cut your losses” (2006) - by Tomland Flash
what dialogue tracks? (2006) - by Jeneia
2006 OT DVD: Audio anyone? - by 20th Century Mark
German ANH DVD OOT audio track: Entire part of dialogue missing in Chapter 13 - by Master Sifo-Dyas

2011 SE:-

So how bad is the 2011 Star Wars sound mix really? - by Funcha
Current issues with Star Wars 2011 Blu-Ray audio? - Funcha

2019 SE:-

A New Hope audio corrected? (2019 SE) - by tbird97


Question Dubbed Language - by kurko1992
What’s Star Wars like in your language? - by Anakin Starkiller
Misheard line in ESB - by ratpack1961
Yodaspeak: A Study In Yoda’s Speaking Patterns and Their Frequency in the Star Wars Movies - by doubleofive
Intercom voices in the OT - by LexX
Anybody willing to list every foreign dub? - by Danfun128
The lost song from Jabba’s palace - by lord3vil
The Lost Sail Barge song - by Dat_SW_Guy

Some general online articles & sources of information:-

Star Wars Trilogy ‘Audio Defects’ (2004) - at AVForums
Yoda-Speak: A Study of Yoda’s Speaking Patterns and Their Frequencies - at The Secret History Of Star Wars
Ewok Celebration - aka Yub Nub - at Wookieepedia
Remaster Class: Star Wars - at Sound & Vision
‘Star Wars’ Trilogy Debuts on DVD (2004) - at Steve Hoffman Music Forum (inc ‘Deliberate Creative Decisions’)
Star Wars DVD audio issues (2004) - at Audio Review Forums
Star Wars 2004 DVD - Recall and Other Issues - at YakFace Forums
Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray Review (2011) - at Audioholics
Star Wars: The Complete Saga Blu-ray Review - at Big Picture Big Sound (includes the lucasfilm PR statement re audio defects)
Audio drop-outs/glitches on Star Wars Complete Saga Blu-ray set - at Big Picture Big Sound Forums
Essential Tips for Orchestral Positioning and Mix Panning - at SoundFly
31 Things We Learned from the ‘Star Wars’ Commentary - at Film School Rejects
How One Line of Dialogue Changed the Entire Star Wars Universe - at Film School Rejects
Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4K Blu-ray (2019 SE) - at blu-ray website




OT Sound Effects (+ information on Ben Burtt)


Ben Burtt’s “Special Effects: Anything Can Happen” - by Ripplin
Star Wars - The Sound - by Skyranger
What is your favorite Star Wars sound effect? - by JennyS1138
Lucasfilm Fanfare - by CHEWBAKAspelledwrong
The Tie Fighter Sound - by MusciallyInspired
Ben Burtt Quits… - by The Cassidy
Ben Burtt redeems himself…he doesn’t like CG effects replacing a good story - by RATLSNAKE

Some general online articles & sources of information:-

Sound Design of Star Wars - at FilmSound
10 Iconic Star Wars Sound Effects & How They Were Created - at ScreenRant
Ben Burtt & the Sounds of Star Wars - at The Kennedy Center
The iconic sound effects of Star Wars - at Fantha Tracks
The solitary pleasure of Star Wars (from our archive) - at the the BFI’s ‘Sight & Sound’ Dept
Empire at 40: Ben Burrt interview - at the official Star Wars website
Ben Burtt Interview: The Challenge of The Empire Strikes Back - YouTube video at the official Star Wars website
Sound Designer Ben Burtt Deconstructs the Audio Effects Used in ‘Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back’ - at Laughing Squid
Ben Burtt creates the sound for ‘Star Wars: Episode VI - Return Of The Jedi’ in vintage 1983 video - video from Eyes On Cinema
Return Of The Jedi turns 30 - Secret Ewok Language - at MTV
The Sounds of Star Wars - 2 minute vimeo video in appreciation of Ben Burtt’s work on the OT.
Star Wars Sound Architect Ben Burtt Finds Himself in the Outer Rim - at Vanity Fair
Ben Burrt Wikipeida Page
Ben Burtt IMDB Page
The Sounds of Star Wars - a link to the comprehensive book by JW Rinzler




OT Scores, Soundtracks and Radio Dramas (+ information on John Williams)


An Index & Help Thread for The Expanded Universe _- by oojason (+ scroll down to the ‘Soundtracks / Music / Audio threads’)

The Music Discussion Thread - by BB-Rey
Star Wars Scores and Releases - a general discussion thread - by captainsolo
Original Soundtrack - by Darth Simon
RTJ Soundtrack Album - by parrotmonkey
Star Wars Soundtracks Ultimate Collector’s Edition - by suspiciouscoffee
John William’s Opinion on the Special Editions - by Davis

Star Wars Radio Dramas - general discussion thread - by Count Dushku
Star Wars Radio Drama - update in 1st post - completed review - by Anchorhead
NPR Radio Show - My Thoughts - by DarkFather
Star Wars Radio Drama - Special Edition - by The Bizzle
PT Radio Drama - by The Boost
A thought on Prequel Radio Dramas - by fishmanlee

Some general online articles & sources of information:-

May the Score Be With You: How John Williams Defined the Sound of ‘Star Wars’ - at The Ringer
The inimitable music of Star Wars - at ABC (Aus)
How Star Wars music lets us feel the Force - at The Conversation
‘Star Wars’: How John Williams Helped Created An Epic - at U Discover Music
John Williams IMDB Page
John Williams Wikipedia Page

The Star Wars Record Collection #3: Star Wars – Original Soundtrack double LP - at Episode Nothing
Star Wars on CD: Which soundtrack releases are the best? Part two. - at Episode Nothing
Star Wars Trilogy: 1997 SE vs. 1993 Anthology - at the JWFan website
Making sense of all the Star Wars soundtrack releases - at the JWFan website
Star Wars Soundtrack Releases - at Soundtrack Collector
The Complete Star Wars Trilogy: Original Radio Drama, Limited Edition (CD - 1996) - at Amazon (Unabridged)
Star Wars Trilogy: The Original Soundtrack Anthology (1993)) - at Wookieepedia
Star Wars Trilogy at Discogs
Star Wars '77 at Discogs
Empire Strikes Back at Discogs
Return Of The Jedi at Discogs

The Original Star Wars Trilogy Adapted into a 14-Hour Radio Drama by NPR (1981-1996) - at Open Culture
Listen to the original NPR radio drama adaptations of the first STAR WARS trilogy - at BoingBoing
Star Wars Radio Drama - Wikipedia Page
Star Wars Radio Drama - Wookieepedia Page

Note: The informative website (and forum) is a quality source of information for much of John Williams’ work on the Original Trilogy films - as well as information on Star Wars audio in general.



If you know of any OT•com audio threads to include in here, or any insightful & informative online articles on the all things audio for the Original Trilogy please post them below. Thank you.

I am not in any way an audiophile, and so there may be some threads listed in the wrong category etc, or that I’ve overlooked for inclusion in here.

So if you spot any errors, mistakes or broken links, please let me know and I’ll attempt to fix or amend them.

If any of you audiophiles want to use any of the content of any of this post to put together a better or more in-depth Index please go ahead 👍

Last Updated: 24th November, 2020.

<strong>2026 SE</strong> : The changes to the OT films &amp; general 2026 (or future) SE discussion thread

Oh wow, that is a LOT of content!
I’m willing to give Number 6 a go if you wish? It’d just be a list of audio/dialogue/music threads and some general online articles, but would help people find the various audio threads on here and information about the different sound mixes etc.

I’d probably need some help with the formatting on this site to lay it all as good as you have in your threads, if ok with you? Send me a PM please, Fated

I love that you decided to go with a separate thread for the GOUT release (from in the OOT thread). It works really well 😃

<strong>Coronavirus</strong> (COVID-19) Pandemic thread - <strong>relevant political discussion allowed</strong> in here

Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% protection’:


Pfizer says early analysis shows its Covid-19 vaccine is more than 90% effective’:




Of course there are people who will attempt to take credit for this where no credit is due, or attempt to deflect the headlines away from their own inadequacies and inaction, or more continuing bad news and awful figures in regards to the Coronavirus:


and worryingly for those in the US…

US passes 10m Covid cases as virus rages across nation’:

Current Events. No debates!

I know political discussion is not allowed on here (outside the Coronavirus thread), but in the interests of current affairs today was the day all the main news organisations called Joe Biden as being the winner of the US election:

‘Joe Biden elected president’ - CNN

‘Biden wins presidency, Trump denied second term in White House, Fox News projects’ - Fox News

‘Biden humbled after winning US Presidency’ - BBC

‘Joe Biden defeats Donald Trump for president in bitter and historic election’ - ABC News

‘Biden defeats Trump to win White House, NBC News projects’ - NBC News

‘Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump’ - NY Times

‘US election live: Joe Biden wins and says ‘It’s time for America to unite’’ - The Guardian

The Random YouTube, Vimeo etc. video finds thread for Beyond the OT

Star Wars Holiday Special Cartoon’ - 10 minutes long, from the ‘Musta Costa Fortune’ YouTube channel:

The blurb:

‘George Lucas is commonly quoted as saying that if he had the time and a hammer, he would personally “smash” every bootlegged copy of the disastrous “Star Wars Holiday Special.” However, fans almost universally agree that the best part of the much-maligned Wookie-centric variety show is the Nelvana-produced cartoon segment, directed by Clive Smith. The cartoon features the voices of the original cast, and famously introduces a new character: Boba Fett. Nelvana and Smith’s collaboration with Lucas on the project would lead to 1980s cartoon series “Ewoks” and “Droids.” Here is the cartoon segment in great quality. Happy Life Day!’

<strong>Coronavirus</strong> (COVID-19) Pandemic thread - <strong>relevant political discussion allowed</strong> in here

’More state officials announce restrictions as US tops 100,000 new Covid-19 infections for second day in a row’:

That is some seriously depressing news, though not unsurprising. Keep on staying safe everyone.

<strong>1997 SE</strong> : The changes to the OT films &amp; general 1997 SE discussion thread

George Lucas / Lucasfilm didn’t just not release ‘The Final Cut(the 1997 Special Editions) on DVD, but they have not released this version of the Original Trilogy on a more modern digital format either. Despite having quality prints of the 1997 cuts available and ready for release.

His previous disingenuous excuses given as to why he won’t release the OOT - money, time and effort in restoring the OOT certainly doesn’t apply to this 1997 SE version.

Given the huge amount of publicity at the time for these 1997 Special Editions and that they were also released in cinemas worldwide they are, themselves, an important piece of film history, as well as a large part of Star Wars history (for better or worse). And fans should have the option to buy & experience these films once again… on a high quality modern home format.

(As said on this site before, it would also be beneficial for those people involved in preservations of the Original Trilogy too.)

Worldwide cinema takings from the three 1997 Special Edition releases:

SW 1997 SE : - $256,905,873
ESB 1997 SE : - $124,830,460
ROTJ 1997 SE : - $89,388,357

Total : $471,124,690

The above total obviously does not include money from the home releases of the 1997 SEs on VHS, VCD and laserdisc. Nor selling the rights to TV companies to show them around the world. Or merchandising and toy sales. Not to mention the free advertising and ‘word of mouth’ publicity for the coming Prequel Trilogy films starting in 1999.


VHS Trailer 1: (18 seconds)

VHS Trailer 2: (15 seconds)


Edit: A decent article from three AV Club staffers about their respective experiences of watching the 1997 SEs at the cinema…

’1997 was the year Star Wars came back and never left’ (article published in 2017 at AVClub•com)

<em>The Mandalorian</em> Discussion Thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *

Tobar, the images in your post do not show up (for me anyway).

What a starts to the new season. I must admit I was wary of letting the trailers, promos, chatter and excitement for the return of the series overhype it (or me) to a point where the first episode may have felt flat or lacking in something. But no, it was such a satisfying and enjoyable watch. Something I want to go back and watch again and again.

The power of simple storytelling done well, by talented people with an obvious love and admiration for what has come before, whilst doing their own thing… and it still working for modern audiences of all generations today 😃

This is the way.

<strong>2026 SE</strong> : The changes to the OT films &amp; general 2026 (or future) SE discussion thread

Such cool threads!

As Fated-Dualist (a huge thankyou) says they will likely be helpful for new & younger fans, and also as a useful reference for people from a long time ago…

A good conversation starter for each of the main releases of the Original Trilogy too. 👍


Fated-Dualist said:

There may be a couple more other projects of his to finish too, if I can convince him. Though they’ll be a while off, and these threads aren’t even finished yet (the relevant OT•com threads are still to found, read through, and added).

You have my attention, what sort of future project threads to do or finish?


Chase Adams said:

I like markdown.

I do too.

Though I don’t like the accidental markdown posts that sometimes occur on here. Credit to the mods for recently attempting to rid us of this plague 😃

Can we use this thread to report any accidental markdown posts we see on site? (as there is with the ‘spam reporting’ thread)

To assist them in the great Jedi markdown purge?

If so, I nominate this markdown post -