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It's going to take a LONG time for Womble to re-encode WookieGroomer's HD Transfers, isn't it? [Plus a GOUT Question]

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I'm working on an extended version of TPM, and wanted to use the best possible video source, so I downloaded WookieGroomer's HD transfers from Demonoid (I plan to give him full and very noticeable credit, of course). All I can say is: "DAMN that picture is pretty!" Anyway, I figured the best I could do for the deleted scenes was the official DVD (which is certainly bearable, considering I'll have to use BTM's video for my ANH edit ). However, before I could start editing, I realized I needed to run WG's file through Womble by itself so I can separate it into an MPV and an WAV. I decided to keep the full resolution (1920x820), framerate (23.98 f/s is the same as 23.976 f/s, right?), video bitrate (7780 kb/s CBR), audio sample rate (48 kHz, if it's the same as the DVD he got the audio from), and audio bitrate (closest I could get to 440 kb/s was 448 kb/s, so I hope it comes out okay). Well, six and a half hours later, Womble has reencoded less than five and a half minutes of the film. Is this inevitable, given the size and high-end specifications of the video file, or am I doing something wrong?

And it literally just dawned on me: I'm going to have to compress this onto a DVD4, anyway. Is it even worth the effort to use the WG transfer?

Anyway, I was also curious: I'll be using some pre-SE shots for my ANH edit. Is the '06 DVD the best looking pre-SE transfer, or are there superior LD transfers out there? If so, which one is the best?

Oh, and one MORE question, while I'm on a role: can anyone point me toward a transfer of the TB broadcast of the theatrical TPM cut and/or the camcorder recording of the non-digital theatrical AotC cut? As pathetic as this sounds, I want the latter for the shot with the extra background speeders during the Zam chase and the shot of Anakin's hand.
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Originally posted by: Johnboy3434
However, before I could start editing, I realized I needed to run WG's file through Womble by itself so I can separate it into an MPV and an WAV. I decided to keep the full resolution (1920x820), framerate (23.98 f/s is the same as 23.976 f/s, right?), video bitrate (7780 kb/s CBR), audio sample rate (48 kHz, if it's the same as the DVD he got the audio from), and audio bitrate (closest I could get to 440 kb/s was 448 kb/s, so I hope it comes out okay). I don't understand exactly what you're trying to do here. Use Womble to encode a high-def MPEG-2 video file? Doesn't sound like a good idea to me, you will lose quality going from VC1 to MPEG-2.
Well, six and a half hours later, Womble has reencoded less than five and a half minutes of the film. Is this inevitable, given the size and high-end specifications of the video file, or am I doing something wrong? Impossible to answer without knowing your PC specs.And it literally just dawned on me: I'm going to have to compress this onto a DVD4, anyway. Is it even worth the effort to use the WG transfer?
DVD5? Anyway, the official Region 1 DVD has terrible edge-enhancement - if you find this unbearable then it's definitely worth using WG's video.
Anyway, I was also curious: I'll be using some pre-SE shots for my ANH edit. Is the '06 DVD the best looking pre-SE transfer, or are there superior LD transfers out there? If so, which one is the best?
There's not much in it, the '06 DVD is better in some respects, but some LD transfers show a slight improvement in certain areas.

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Originally posted by: Moth3r
I don't understand exactly what you're trying to do here. Use Womble to encode a high-def MPEG-2 video file? Doesn't sound like a good idea to me, you will lose quality going from VC1 to MPEG-2.
It was the only way I could think of to separate the audio and video tracks. Is there a better (or faster) way? I'm still new to the editing scene (well, experience-wise, anyway).

Originally posted by Moth3r
Impossible to answer without knowing your PC specs.
2.41 GHz processor, 2 GB RAM, and an NVIDIA GeForce 6150 LE.

Originally posted by: Moth3r
DVD5? Anyway, the official Region 1 DVD has terrible edge-enhancement - if you find this unbearable then it's definitely worth using WG's video.

You just had to say it, didn't you ? I suppose I'll just have to put editing off for another week or so and let it finish. On that note, say my computer decides to be a dick and crashes before the re-encoding is finished. Would there be any way to pick up where I left off, or would I have to start all over again? On another subject, I can't believe I said DVD4 . I was thinking in terms of gibibytes.

Originally posted by: Moth3r
There's not much in it, the '06 DVD is better in some respects, but some LD transfers show a slight improvement in certain areas.

Overall, though, which transfer would you give the edge to? I know that's a deceivingly simple question, but I'm just asking your opinion. I'd like to hear from anyone else who cares to share, as well.
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Check the screen-shot comparison thread

Don't use the first screen-shot as a reference for the 06's quality over any other transfers, as that was clearly sourced from some original film stock. But check out other shots and see how you feel. I think you'll see what Moth3r means about the quality kinda varying in different aspects. But overall I'd say go with 06. Unless you want to get each and every transfer there to reap the benefits each different one can offer shot to shot.

If you computer crashes this week you're fucked. Just stop encoding now and save some time. If you want to go check out the avisynth frameserver program, that'd be a great way to make a very small file that just sources the video from your HD source. I'm pretty sure Womble takes avisynth files too. In fact I can think of the script now.

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As important as this project is to me, all I can say at this point is "fuck it." My computer crashed (speak of the devil, etc.). I decided to check out the video and audio as far as it went. Not only was the video grossly screwed up as far as aspect ratio is concerned, it was also going in slow-mo. The audio stutters like someone took a machine gun to the file. I'm just going to run it through Womble on normal settings (except for the few settings specified in ADM's thread) and hope it doesn't blast the quality to Hell and back. If it does, at least I'll know I only wasted several hours instead of a week, and I'll try what you said, PiD. Oh, and I guess I'll stick with the '06 DVD for ANH.

Now, if only I could find those theatrical TPM and AotC transfers...
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Sweet mother of God, that file looks absolutely horrendous (although I should have seen it coming, since it came out to barely over ONE GB). Well, off to AVISynth, then. Thanks for the heads-up, PiD!

EDIT: Err... Well, after an hour and a half of tinkering, I think I've established that I have no idea how to work AVISynth. Off to VideoHelp.com!
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Try a script like this:

DirectShowSource("C:\path\....wmv")
Lanczos4resize(720, 366)
Addborders(0,57,0,57)

Will that open in your editor?

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Hmm... that's weird. It says that DirectShowSource isn't a valid application. Am I missing a program, you think?
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You have AviSynth installed?

Did you save the above script as an AVS file?

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I have AVISynth 2.5 and yes, I did save it as an AVS file. It opened in VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.2, which then told me that no DirectShowSource function existed.
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Or AviSynth might be looking in the wrong place for the dll, for example, if you've moved the program/plugins folder somewhere else.

Try:
LoadPlugin("C:\path...\DirectShowsource.dll")
DirectShowSource("C:\path\....wmv") If it's still not working, you can check the Avisynth installation with the simplest of scripts:Version()

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Yep, that did it! Thanks a lot, Moth3r! Well, time to start editing.
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Silly question perhaps but does this require a BD blank to burn? (and if so, what brands are recommended)?

 

(just FYI, I don't own Bluray yet)

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Womble outputs atrocious quality when it exports HD material.  You really need to think about using another editing program if you want to edit in HD.

I suppose you could export a lossless AVI from Womble and then encode that with MeGUI or something.  I have never tried it though.

Moreover, if you are keeping full HD resolution, I recommend you encode to at least a DVD-9 size.  A DVD-5 will not cut it.

You might want to check out adigitalman's (DVD) extended edition of TPM, if you only want a pure extended edition.  It might have done your work for you. :-)

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Kurgan said:

Silly question perhaps but does this require a BD blank to burn? (and if so, what brands are recommended)?

 

(just FYI, I don't own Bluray yet)

WTF are you talking about and why did you bump a 3-year-old thread?

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Heh, yeah, you're a bit late on the reply there, Chewie.  ;-)

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ChainsawAsh said:

Heh, yeah, you're a bit late on the reply there, Chewie.  ;-)

You're right LOL!  I only checked the date of the last post that Kurgan added so I didn't think to look at the others.  It didn't occur to me that the thread would be so old.  I assumed it was a new thread.

My mistake...  :-)