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Possible 'proof' that Greedo was always meant to shoot

The author of those two $150 books, Paul Duncan, should really be checking his sources before making nonsense claims like that.

If he is making fairly basic mistakes like that, you have to ask if there are other mistakes or false claims is he also making?

I hope someone has saved the tweets or thread from the author for posterity? Sometimes people can get antsy and start deleting stuff when confronted by facts or evidence.

Audio Mixes used for the 2019 SE release of the Original Trilogy - any issues?

As Lucasfilm have had some some issues with their audio mixes for previous releases of the Original Trilogy [cough 2004 DVD and 2011 blu ray releases]… has anyone noticed or reported any issues or problems with the audio mixes on the 2019 SE releases?

Additionally, are they any good?



OT•com threads on the 2019 SE releases (and them appearing on the Disney+ streaming channel):

Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD – 27 DISC Boxed Set - by digitalfreaknyc (with some info on the 18-disc & 9-disc sets)
Changes to the Disney+ 2019 SE of the Original Trilogy - by yotsuya
Maclunkey - by screams in the void
Uncorrected mistakes or unfixed issues of the 2019 (Maclunkey) Original Trilogy release? - by Gonk-DB94
All Star Wars films released in 4K HDR on Disney Plus: 2019 SE with more changes - by idir_hh
Disney+ streaming platform : Star Wars content & various other info - by oojason


blu-ray•com info pages on the 2019 SE releases:

27-disc 4K UHD US version
18-disc bluray UK version (+ also the 9-disc DVD UK version)
SW single release 3 disc (4K UHD, blu ray + bonus disk) France version
ESB single release 3 disc (4K UHD, blu ray + bonus disk) Austraila version
ROTJ single release 3 disc (4K UHD, blu ray + bonus disk) German version

An Index of OT•com threads on all things the <strong>Audio of the Original Trilogy</strong>



There have been a number of people asking about where to find information on the various audio mixes, dialogue changes, sound effects used for the Original Trilogy films over the past few months.

So much so that oojason had started work on compiling an ‘Audio Index Thread’ (amongst some other ‘OT•com Archiving’ projects) shortly before he left the site. Thanks to oojason for allowing me to finish his project, and also to Fated-Dualist for asking ooj’s permission and forwarding me on the files and ideas I’ve been able to continue that work and have now completed this project thread (I think!).

I hope this thread will be of some use, interest and help for finding audio information on the Original Trilogy films. To both showcase and archive the knowledge, help and information (not to mention the resoluteness & dedication) of the OT•com members on here.

This is simply an attempt at an index for the numerous OT•com threads about all things audio in the Original Trilogy.

Also included in this thread are some hopefully insightful or informative online articles on the audio used for the three classic Star Wars films.

Some thread content may discuss multiple changes, cover various issues, or overlap into differing categories etc 😃

If you know of any OT•com threads or quality online articles on all things OT audio, and would like to add them to this Index, please post them below. Thank you.

The Main Categories:

• The OT Sound Mixes
• Changes to Dialogue and Sounds in the OT films (and also alternative dialogue and sounds)
• General OT Audio threads
• OT Sound Effects (+ info on Ben Burrt etc)
• OT Scores, Soundtracks and Radio Dramas (+ info on John Williams etc)

^ Some OT•com threads and online articles may discuss various topics and issues, and overlap into different categories or subjects.


The ‘Original Trilogy Discussion’ and ‘Theatrical Cuts vs. Subsequent Releases’ sections of the OriginalTrilogy•com feature many, if not all, of the above audio threads found in this thread.

More Original Trilogy audio threads can also be found in the following threads and OT•com site sections:

Radio Drama threads can be found in ‘An Index & Help Thread for Beyond the Original Trilogy…’

OT Soundtracks threads can be found in ‘An Index & Help Thread for The Expanded Universe Discussion’

Audio Preservations threads can be found in ‘An Index Of Projects for Star Wars Preservations…’

Audio Quality / Improvements threads can also be found in ‘An Index Of Projects for Star Wars Preservations…’


If you know of any threads to include in here, or any insightful or informative online articles on the all things audio for the Original Trilogy please post them below. Thank you. 👍



The OT Sound Mixes:


Star Wars sound mixes - by Moth3r
The “OFFICIAL” audio mixes of the Original Trilogy - Help needed - by russs15
70mm 6-Track Dolby Stereo mix differences - by mysycamore
Question on the 1977 70mm Soundtrack Recording - by REJ27
Empire Strikes Back 70mm - by Vaderisnothayden
The Empire Strikes Back: Sessions Questions (Two Music Cues In Particular) - by Tack
Hopefully the last 70mm vs. 35mm ESB audio differences thread - by morgands1
Anybody ever notice the audio drop-out on ROTJ? - by Mielr
Project: The other differences in the SW mono mix - by TServo2049
Mono mix music edit - Did anybody notice this before? - by TServo2049
Were the original unaltered mono or 2.0/4.0 matrixed sound tracks for the original trilogy on a home release? - by 10GigTriforce
Sound mixes from different versions of star wars - by kenkraly2007
4(as opposed to 3) audio tracks for the original theatrical run of Star Wars? - by danny_boy
35mm Stereo Sound Question - by m
7.1 vs 5.1 vs stereo vs mono - by Avatar_Emil
1981 Star Wars re-release- which audio mixes were used? - by SpilkaBilka
Difference between the theatrical versions and the first VHS home releases? - by J00CE
Question about the 85 mix - by Vaderisnothayden
Changes in 85 ANH mix - by Vaderisnothayden
Questions about audio mixes - by Vaderisnothayden
Additional material in ANH 1993 mix - by Vaderisnothayden
A New Hope: Theatrical 1977 stereo mix vs. 1993 stereo mix - by SpacemanDoug
70mm mix to ’93 mix comparison - by Belbucus
What was changed for 1995 THX version? - by Cthulhunicron
Pre-'97 VHS sound mixes? - by clutchins
1997 Special Edition Audio Mixes, GOUT-Synced (Released) - by HAL 9000
Star Wars Trilogy Special Edition Audio Visual Press Kit - by anthony72
Question about audio in Star Wars 97SE - Tantive Klaxons - by mutantchair
Any Interest In A Corrected 2004 DVD? (“Deliberate Creative Decisions” info) - by Neil S. Bulk
Can someone please explain WHY the audio on the 2004 ANH DVD is so messed up? - by AdamWankenobi
No DD 5.1EX in ANH…Ripped off We Want DTS (2004 DVD) - by MossMan
What sound mixes are on the 2006 DVDs ? - by pittrek_
Soundtrack for Star Wars OOT DVD? (2006) - by BountyHunter
So how bad is the 2011 Star Wars sound mix really? - by Funcha
Current issues with Star Wars 2011 Blu-Ray audio? - Funcha
Audio Mixes used for the 2019 SE release of the Original Trilogy - any issues? - by Gonk-DB94
The Definitive Theatrical Audio Mix? - by OpenRift412


Some general online articles & sources of information:

Recording the Star Wars Saga - Analysis by Chris Malone - at Malone Digital (pdf format)
Star Wars Audio Mixes - at David Ely
The Sounds of a Galaxy Far, Far Away - at Wide Angle Closeup
Theatrical Audio Resources - at Saving Star Wars
Exclusive Interview: The sound of Star Wars - with Matthew Wood (2011) - at Home Cinema Choice
George Lucas, Star Wars & a Disappearing Cello - The Story of THX Cinema Certification - at THX
Unaltered Original Star Wars Trilogy on Blu-ray (sound mix info) - at (aka the Laserdsic Database)
How George Lucas’ Ideas Blazed Trails for Dolby Sound Over 40 Years of ‘Star Wars’ - at Variety
Star Wars (1977) - Dolby/Mono Mix Differences - at the SpaceHunterM YouTube channel
The Empire Strikes Back (1980) - Dolby/Mono Mix Differences - at the SpaceHunterM YouTube channel
Star Wars: what is the ‘definitive’, original 1977 edition anyway? - at Episode Nothing




Changes to Dialogue and Sounds in the OT (+ alternative dialogue & sounds) :



Is there a list for Pre 97 Versions and their changes both audio/visual ? - by Afton Robotics
OT Audio Changes - by SkyderHouseMafia
I thought this was interesting - sound differences in OT releases - by 20th Century Mark
is there a list of 2004 DVD audio changes? - by tellan
2004 DVD, Changes in Sound? - by Jambe Davdar
Yes, I bet you have! (2004) - by tlbauerle
New dialogue found (more may be coming) A&E’s Empire of Dreams (2004) - by Hardcore Legend
Vader’s voice change in the OT - by Nilbog (re both in the OT, and then later SE changes)
Can we get some love for Yub Nub?
OUT Audio: Pablo Speaks - by Zion
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!) - by Adium
Special Edition to 2011 Audio Changes - by DVD-BOY
Maclunkey - by screams in the void (when the technology didn’t exist back in '77, '97, '04, or '11 for Greedo to say ‘Maclunkey’)
Shot List Spreadsheet - v0.6.02 - 6 films - Mono Mix Changes Added by - none

Changes to Each Original Trilogy Film…


The Definitive - tractor beam - Close the blast doors - Blast it, Biggs/Wedge - you don’t taste very good - Noooooo!!!" - Preservation Guide - by russs15
“Close the blast doors” - by stealthboy
2011 Rocks and 2004 Krayt Call in this Clip from - by nickyd47
What’s Your Favorite Version of the Krayt Dragon Call? - by nightstalkerpoet
Obi-Wan’s Krayt Dragon call changed on DVDs (2004) - by Boba Fett
The Krayt Dragon Call (2011) - by The Nerd
Now it’s just getting ridiculous- Obi Wan’s new howl (2011) - by adywan
Voice dubbing in the first film - by TServo2049
Beru’s voice - by Moth3r
Star Wars (1977) Aunt Beru Original Audio - by dwsiddall
The missing Dianoga music - by Haarspalter


R2 doesn’t taste very good - by jeffreyschmid
“Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival.” What was the point? - by Stampede
“Bring my shuttle.” - by gulducati
The Emperor & line change in ESB SE 1997 - by auraloffalwaffle
DEVASTATED - by lostITlucas (re Boba Fett’s voice change)
All Stormtroopers with Jango’s voice - by Obi-wonton


What was your first reaction to Vader’s “Noooo” in ROTJ? (2011) - by Windows7Guy100
first “NOOOOO!” and now… - by RBS-1980
Lapti Nek History and Intrigue - by none
The Lapti Nek Appreciation Thread - by DominicCobb
The Surprisingly Strange Story of “Lapti Nek” - by AntcuFaalb
Max Rebo band SE - by Quackula
Am I the only one who prefers the old ewok music? - by swfan_79
Yub Nub music - availability? - by Mandriel_
Can we get some love for Yub Nub? - by WookieeWarrior77
Victory Celebration - by SS4DarthPayne

Some general online articles & sources of information:

Detention Block Shootout Audio Evolution - at the SpaceHunterM YouTube channel
‘Special Edition Changes’ - at the Saving Star Wars website - re audio changes for '97 SE & '04 SE
One & Only Thread About Star Wars Trilogy Audio Quality (2004) - at DVD Talk Forums
‘Star Wars’ Blu-ray Controversy: Has George Lucas Made Two Terrible Audio Alterations to the Original Trilogy? - at Slash Film
A Pair Of Awful Audio Changes For The STAR WARS Blu-rays (2011) - at Film Bluff Online
Star Wars Original Trilogy Changes: Darth Vader’s “Noooooooo!” (and more) - at Star Wars Shot First
George Lucas Himself Gave Greedo the Last Word in Controversial New Star Wars Edit (2019 SE) - at Vanity Fair
The New Emperor Scene in Empire Strikes Back is the most worst post-release change in all of Star Wars - at Screen Crush
MACLUNKEY! The Han/Greedo scene has an inexplicable change on Disney+ because George Lucas will never stop changing it - at Tech Crunch
The 15 most pointless changes George Lucas made to the original Star Wars trilogy (inc audio changes) - at DigitalSpy




General OT Audio Threads:


1997 SE:

Going to Mos Eisely music used in 2011 Blu ray/1997 Special Edition onwards? - by Patricier

2004 SE:

Star Wars DVD Music Mix Botched!! (2004) - by Neil S. Bulk
Letter to LFL about DVD Defects (No OT vs SE discussion) (2004) - by ADigitalMan
Any Interest In A Corrected 2004 DVD? (“Deliberate Creative Decisions” info) - by Neil S. Bulk
Can someone please explain WHY the audio on the 2004 ANH DVD is so messed up? - by AdamWankenobi
2004 DVD 2.0 sound - by Harmy
Why wasn’t Hamill on the commentary? (2004 DVD) - by SpecialEditionSaboteur

2006 GOUT DVD:

Do you think they’ll fix the sound issues? (2006) - by SpecialEditionSaboteur
audio campaign? aka “cut your losses” (2006) - by Tomland Flash
what dialogue tracks? (2006) - by Jeneia
2006 OT DVD: Audio anyone? - by 20th Century Mark
German ANH DVD OOT audio track: Entire part of dialogue missing in Chapter 13 - by Master Sifo-Dyas

2011 SE:

Star Wars audio remixed again! (for the coming 2011 blu ray set) - by Bobby Jay
So how bad is the 2011 Star Wars sound mix really? - by Funcha
Current issues with Star Wars 2011 Blu-Ray audio? - Funcha

2019 SE:

A New Hope audio corrected? (2019 SE) - by tbird97


Question Dubbed Language - by kurko1992
What’s Star Wars like in your language? - by Anakin Starkiller
Misheard line in ESB - by ratpack1961
Yodaspeak: A Study In Yoda’s Speaking Patterns and Their Frequency in the Star Wars Movies - by doubleofive
Intercom voices in the OT - by LexX
Anybody willing to list every foreign dub? - by Danfun128
The lost song from Jabba’s palace - by lord3vil
The Lost Sail Barge song - by Dat_SW_Guy

Some general online articles & sources of information:

Star Wars Trilogy ‘Audio Defects’ (2004) - at AVForums
Yoda-Speak: A Study of Yoda’s Speaking Patterns and Their Frequencies - at The Secret History Of Star Wars
Ewok Celebration - aka Yub Nub - at Wookieepedia
Remaster Class: Star Wars - at Sound & Vision
‘Star Wars’ Trilogy Debuts on DVD (2004) - at Steve Hoffman Music Forum (inc ‘Deliberate Creative Decisions’)
Star Wars DVD audio issues (2004) - at Audio Review Forums
Star Wars 2004 DVD - Recall and Other Issues - at YakFace Forums
Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray Review (2011) - at Audioholics
Star Wars: The Complete Saga Blu-ray Review - at Big Picture Big Sound (includes the lucasfilm PR statement re audio defects)
Audio drop-outs/glitches on Star Wars Complete Saga Blu-ray set - at Big Picture Big Sound Forums
Essential Tips for Orchestral Positioning and Mix Panning - at SoundFly
31 Things We Learned from the ‘Star Wars’ Commentary - at Film School Rejects
How One Line of Dialogue Changed the Entire Star Wars Universe - at Film School Rejects
Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4K Blu-ray (2019 SE) - at blu-ray website




OT Sound Effects (+ information on Ben Burtt) :


Ben Burtt’s “Special Effects: Anything Can Happen” - by Ripplin
Star Wars - The Sound - by Skyranger
What is your favorite Star Wars sound effect? - by JennyS1138
Lucasfilm Fanfare - by CHEWBAKAspelledwrong
The Tie Fighter Sound - by MusciallyInspired
Ben Burtt Quits… - by The Cassidy
Ben Burtt redeems himself…he doesn’t like CG effects replacing a good story - by RATLSNAKE

Some general online articles & sources of information:

Sound Design of Star Wars - at FilmSound
10 Iconic Star Wars Sound Effects & How They Were Created - at ScreenRant
Ben Burtt & the Sounds of Star Wars - at The Kennedy Center
The iconic sound effects of Star Wars - at Fantha Tracks
The solitary pleasure of Star Wars (from our archive) - at the the BFI’s ‘Sight & Sound’ Dept
Empire at 40: Ben Burrt interview - at the official Star Wars website
Ben Burtt Interview: The Challenge of The Empire Strikes Back - YouTube video at the official Star Wars website
Sound Designer Ben Burtt Deconstructs the Audio Effects Used in ‘Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back’ - at Laughing Squid
Ben Burtt creates the sound for ‘Star Wars: Episode VI - Return Of The Jedi’ in vintage 1983 video - video from Eyes On Cinema
Return Of The Jedi turns 30 - Secret Ewok Language - at MTV
The Sounds of Star Wars - 2 minute vimeo video in appreciation of Ben Burtt’s work on the OT.
Star Wars Sound Architect Ben Burtt Finds Himself in the Outer Rim - at Vanity Fair
Ben Burrt Wikipeida Page
Ben Burtt IMDB Page
The Sounds of Star Wars - a link to the comprehensive book by JW Rinzler




OT Scores, Soundtracks and Radio Dramas (+ information on John Williams) :


An Index & Help Thread for The Expanded Universe _- by oojason (+ scroll down to the ‘Soundtracks / Music / Audio threads’)

The Music Discussion Thread - by BB-Rey
Star Wars Scores and Releases - a general discussion thread - by captainsolo
Original Soundtrack - by Darth Simon
RTJ Soundtrack Album - by parrotmonkey
Star Wars Soundtracks Ultimate Collector’s Edition - by suspiciouscoffee
John William’s Opinion on the Special Editions - by Davis

Star Wars Radio Dramas - general discussion thread - by Count Dushku
Star Wars Radio Drama - update in 1st post - completed review - by Anchorhead
NPR Radio Show - My Thoughts - by DarkFather
Star Wars Radio Drama - Special Edition - by The Bizzle
PT Radio Drama - by The Boost
A thought on Prequel Radio Dramas - by fishmanlee

Some general online articles & sources of information:

May the Score Be With You: How John Williams Defined the Sound of ‘Star Wars’ - at The Ringer
The inimitable music of Star Wars - at ABC (Aus)
How Star Wars music lets us feel the Force - at The Conversation
‘Star Wars’: How John Williams Helped Created An Epic - at U Discover Music
John Williams IMDB Page
John Williams Wikipedia Page

The Star Wars Record Collection #3: Star Wars – Original Soundtrack double LP - at Episode Nothing
Star Wars on CD: Which soundtrack releases are the best? Part two. - at Episode Nothing
Star Wars Trilogy: 1997 SE vs. 1993 Anthology - at the JWFan website
Making sense of all the Star Wars soundtrack releases - at the JWFan website
Star Wars Soundtrack Releases - at Soundtrack Collector
The Complete Star Wars Trilogy: Original Radio Drama, Limited Edition (CD - 1996) - at Amazon (Unabridged)
Star Wars Trilogy: The Original Soundtrack Anthology (1993)) - at Wookieepedia
Star Wars Trilogy at Discogs
Star Wars '77 at Discogs
Empire Strikes Back at Discogs
Return Of The Jedi at Discogs

The Original Star Wars Trilogy Adapted into a 14-Hour Radio Drama by NPR (1981-1996) - at Open Culture
Listen to the original NPR radio drama adaptations of the first STAR WARS trilogy - at BoingBoing
Star Wars Radio Drama - Wikipedia Page
Star Wars Radio Drama - Wookieepedia Page

Note: The informative website (and forum) is a quality source of information for much of John Williams’ work on the Original Trilogy films - as well as information on Star Wars audio in general.



If you know of any OT•com audio threads to include in here, or any insightful & informative online articles on ‘all things audio for the Original Trilogy’ please post them below. Thank you.

I am not in any way an audiophile, and so there may be some threads listed in the wrong category etc, or that I’ve overlooked for inclusion in here.

So if you spot any errors, mistakes or broken links, please let me know and I’ll attempt to fix or amend them.

If any of you audiophiles want to use any of the content of any of this post to put together a better or more in-depth Index please go ahead 👍

Last Updated: 1st March, 2021.

As Gonk is no longer around the site, the site staff will keep this thread updated (or at least try to).

<strong>2026 SE</strong> : The changes to the OT films &amp; general 2026 (or future) SE discussion thread

Oh wow, that is a LOT of content!
I’m willing to give Number 6 a go if you wish? It’d just be a list of audio/dialogue/music threads and some general online articles, but would help people find the various audio threads on here and information about the different sound mixes etc.

I’d probably need some help with the formatting on this site to lay it all as good as you have in your threads, if ok with you? Send me a PM please, Fated

I love that you decided to go with a separate thread for the GOUT release (from in the OOT thread). It works really well 😃

<strong>Coronavirus</strong> (COVID-19) Pandemic thread - <strong>relevant political discussion allowed</strong> in here

Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% protection’:


Pfizer says early analysis shows its Covid-19 vaccine is more than 90% effective’:




Of course there are people who will attempt to take credit for this where no credit is due, or attempt to deflect the headlines away from their own inadequacies and inaction, or more continuing bad news and awful figures in regards to the Coronavirus:


and worryingly for those in the US…

US passes 10m Covid cases as virus rages across nation’:

<strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - a general discussion thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *

Hints at a Mandalorian video game from the official twitter account of ‘Xbox Game Pass’?:

‘All we’re gonna say is that we’re not posting The Mandalorian and The Child for no reason’



Current Events. No debates!

I know political discussion is not allowed on here (outside the Coronavirus thread), but in the interests of current affairs today was the day all the main news organisations called Joe Biden as being the winner of the US election:

‘Joe Biden elected president’ - CNN

‘Biden wins presidency, Trump denied second term in White House, Fox News projects’ - Fox News

‘Biden humbled after winning US Presidency’ - BBC

‘Joe Biden defeats Donald Trump for president in bitter and historic election’ - ABC News

‘Biden defeats Trump to win White House, NBC News projects’ - NBC News

‘Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump’ - NY Times

‘US election live: Joe Biden wins and says ‘It’s time for America to unite’’ - The Guardian

The Random YouTube, Vimeo etc. video finds thread for Beyond the OT

Star Wars Holiday Special Cartoon’ - 10 minutes long, from the ‘Musta Costa Fortune’ YouTube channel:

The blurb:

‘George Lucas is commonly quoted as saying that if he had the time and a hammer, he would personally “smash” every bootlegged copy of the disastrous “Star Wars Holiday Special.” However, fans almost universally agree that the best part of the much-maligned Wookie-centric variety show is the Nelvana-produced cartoon segment, directed by Clive Smith. The cartoon features the voices of the original cast, and famously introduces a new character: Boba Fett. Nelvana and Smith’s collaboration with Lucas on the project would lead to 1980s cartoon series “Ewoks” and “Droids.” Here is the cartoon segment in great quality. Happy Life Day!’

<strong>Coronavirus</strong> (COVID-19) Pandemic thread - <strong>relevant political discussion allowed</strong> in here

’More state officials announce restrictions as US tops 100,000 new Covid-19 infections for second day in a row’:

That is some seriously depressing news, though not unsurprising. Keep on staying safe everyone.

<strong>1997 SE</strong> : The changes to the OT films &amp; general 1997 SE discussion thread

George Lucas / Lucasfilm didn’t just not release ‘The Final Cut(the 1997 Special Editions) on DVD, but they have not released this version of the Original Trilogy on a more modern digital format either. Despite having quality prints of the 1997 cuts available and ready for release.

His previous disingenuous excuses given as to why he won’t release the OOT - money, time and effort in restoring the OOT certainly doesn’t apply to this 1997 SE version.

Given the huge amount of publicity at the time for these 1997 Special Editions and that they were also released in cinemas worldwide they are, themselves, an important piece of film history, as well as a large part of Star Wars history (for better or worse). And fans should have the option to buy & experience these films once again… on a high quality modern home format.

(As said on this site before, it would also be beneficial for those people involved in preservations of the Original Trilogy too.)

Worldwide cinema takings from the three 1997 Special Edition releases:

SW 1997 SE : - $256,905,873
ESB 1997 SE : - $124,830,460
ROTJ 1997 SE : - $89,388,357

Total : $471,124,690

The above total obviously does not include money from the home releases of the 1997 SEs on VHS, VCD and laserdisc. Nor selling the rights to TV companies to show them around the world. Or merchandising and toy sales. Not to mention the free advertising and ‘word of mouth’ publicity for the coming Prequel Trilogy films starting in 1999.


VHS Trailer 1: (18 seconds)

VHS Trailer 2: (15 seconds)


Edit: A decent article from three AV Club staffers about their respective experiences of watching the 1997 SEs at the cinema…

’1997 was the year Star Wars came back and never left’ (article published in 2017 at AVClub•com)

<strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - a general discussion thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *

Tobar, the images in your post do not show up (for me anyway).

What a starts to the new season. I must admit I was wary of letting the trailers, promos, chatter and excitement for the return of the series overhype it (or me) to a point where the first episode may have felt flat or lacking in something. But no, it was such a satisfying and enjoyable watch. Something I want to go back and watch again and again.

The power of simple storytelling done well, by talented people with an obvious love and admiration for what has come before, whilst doing their own thing… and it still working for modern audiences of all generations today 😃

This is the way.

<strong>2026 SE</strong> : The changes to the OT films &amp; general 2026 (or future) SE discussion thread

Such cool threads!

As Fated-Dualist (a huge thankyou) says they will likely be helpful for new & younger fans, and also as a useful reference for people from a long time ago…

A good conversation starter for each of the main releases of the Original Trilogy too. 👍


Fated-Dualist said:

There may be a couple more other projects of his to finish too, if I can convince him. Though they’ll be a while off, and these threads aren’t even finished yet (the relevant OT•com threads are still to found, read through, and added).

You have my attention, what sort of future project threads to do or finish?


Chase Adams said:

I like markdown.

I do too.

Though I don’t like the accidental markdown posts that sometimes occur on here. Credit to the mods for recently attempting to rid us of this plague 😃

Can we use this thread to report any accidental markdown posts we see on site? (as there is with the ‘spam reporting’ thread)

To assist them in the great Jedi markdown purge?

If so, I nominate this markdown post -

<strong>Empire Strikes Back</strong> - 'Behind The Scenes / Making Of' <strong>images</strong> thread

Dek Rollins said:

I must be missing something because I don’t see any women in that photo.

You could be right… not to the right of Lando?
I thought the guard was female because thought I could see lipstick and makeup. Though it could be just the lighting, or my poor eyesight and judgment!

Uncorrected mistakes or unfixed issues of the 2019 (Maclunkey) Original Trilogy release?

As there are two previous threads for talking about the unfixed issues & uncorrected mistakes of the 2004 & 2011 OT releases:

You’d think they’d clean this up - the unfixed issues of the 2004 OT SE DVD release… - by Stakiller

What HASN’T changed on the 2011 OT SE Blu-ray release – the uncorrected mistakes… - by Gavin

I thought it may be worth having a thread for the 2019 Original Trilogy releases as well…

What errors or mistakes still remain in this latest release of the Original Trilogy that are in need of fixing? Or improving upon?

Star Wars <strong>News</strong> - articles that may not have enough interest for their own threads...

John Boyega Would Love to See Finn’s Axed ‘Star Wars’ Storyline Get Told on TV or Animation’:

John Boyega openly criticized the most recent “Star Wars” trilogy for sidelining its characters of color, including his character Finn and Kelly Marie Tran’s Rose, so what does the actor think of the original storyline that got axed? A script leak for Colin Trevorrow’s scrapped Episode IX, titled “Duel of the Fates,” revealed Finn was originally going to end the trilogy by becoming a revolutionary and leading a class rebellion along with Rose on the galactic capital planet of Coruscant. The axed storyline would’ve completed Finn’s arc from defected Stormtrooper in “The Force Awakens” to the leader of an ex-Stormtrooper uprising in “The Rise of Skywalker.”

Trevorrow’s “Duel of the Fates” was rewritten by Chris Terrio and J.J. Abrams, and Finn’s revolutionary storyline was erased and redrafted as a much smaller role in what became “The Force Awakens.” Finn’s original storyline lives on in “Star Wars” concept art, which Boyega has seen and tells Yahoo he would have loved to see through.

“I think Colin Trevorrow was going to tell that story,” Boyega said. “The concept art in the ‘Star Wars’ book has that image of Finn with the blue flag, and you have the AT-ATs lined up with tribal marks, and the stormtroopers take off their helmets. That would have been sick. That would have been dope, hands down.”

Boyega said he’s a big fan of the Disney+ “Star Wars” series “The Mandalorian” (“Lucasfilm is doing very well with TV shows”), which is why he’d love to watch Finn’s original story arc get completed on TV (“If they could do it all in TV, I would love to watch it”). Does that mean Boyega would return as Finn? Not quite, although he expressed more interest in returning when pitched an animated series to complete Finn’s arc. “Animated? Yeah that would be cool,” Boyega said. “You could do it all from home.”

As for why he spoke out against the “Star Wars” trilogy for sidelining Finn, Boyega said, “I’m just trying to do what I was offered and I’m trying to fulfill my job. We all know that what makes roles so lucrative [are] the moments you give them. If Captain America doesn’t show out and show down and isn’t given the scenes to boost his representation, and to make him enjoyable for you guys, we won’t think he’s cool. Why shouldn’t Black characters and Black actors also fight for that same kind of representation?”


It’d be interesting to see a fan animation of this, I hope someone does something along that storyline one day.

I don’t think Lucasfilm would ever do it - unless re-written as Finn or even Lando rallying people to the cause of the Resistance set just prior to events of TROS? Maybe…

Good to see John Boyega not distancing himself from Star Wars too.

Star Wars: Tales From The Galaxy’s Edge, A New Action-Adventure VR Experience

The trailer for this was released today:

Official Trailer | Star Wars: Tales from the Galaxy’s Edge | Oculus Quest’ - from the ILMxLAB YouTube channel…


It also has Frank Oz back as Yoda.

‘Frank Oz returns as Yoda in Star Wars: Tales from the Galaxy’s Edge’…


Looks like it could be a lot of fun 😃