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Info: HD-DVD to Blu-ray conversion with ClownBD

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The main tool you will need for this job is the ClownBD GUI (which bundles up aspects of eac3to, aften and tsMuxer). Get it here.

This guide assumes that you have already ripped your HD-DVD to your hard drive. If you have an encryption bypassing tool such as AnyDVD or DVDFab passkey you can convert directly from the disc on-the-fly, though this is an altogether slower process.

1. Open your source and select your movie

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Open ClownBD (Clown_BD_0.81.exe). The first option is to indicate your source, so click on the **BD/HD-DVD **button and browse to your ripped folder (or HD-DVD drive if you intend to work directly from the disc).

Next indicate your Demux Location, where the video and audio streams will be split and stored (along with a chapter log).

The Remux Location is optional - if you just want a BD disc based on the existing audio/video of the HD-DVD movie, tsMuxer will build a new BD folder for you. If you don’t want this yet, for example if you’re planning on adding additional audio tracks or want to tinker with the picture, leave the ‘Use tsMuxeR’ button unchecked; Clown will just rip the streams and you can use tsMuxer manually to build your disc later on.

I’ve never needed any of the additional options here, though I imagine the force subtitles option might be useful if you’re converting from a foreign language disc.

Click Next.

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The next screen allows you to choose your video to extract. Each title will be listed here, so in the case of branched movies you’ll have more than one option for the main feature - check the running times and select the title you want to convert, then click Next.

2. Select video and audio streams

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Now it’s time to decide which streams you want to keep. Clown displays a list of the video and audio streams in the title with descriptions, and it’s simply a case of making sure the important ones are checked. The main window (on the left) shows your overall selections, but you can use the panels on the right to make ‘blanket’ choices (e.g. all the English audio tracks, all the French subs etc.)

A word on audio formats. HD-DVDs, like Blu-rays, supported a range of audio codecs. Some will carry over to a BD disc with no problems, but others will need to be converted in some way for compatibility. A quick summary:

’Standard’ Dolby Digital, DTS and PCM are all fully compatible, so in Audio Output Format leave them as Unconverted.

DTS-HD HR, DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD are BD-compatible HD formats. You do have some space-saving options if you don’t want the full HD track: The DTS formats carry a standard DTS Core option which Clown can extract for you, and TrueHD can be converted to standard AC3 or DTS (which an SD receiver will need). If you do want the full HD track just leave it Unconverted.

Dolby Digital Plus aka E-AC3 is not BD-friendly, so you should use the AC3 or DTS conversion options here. Note that DTS encoding requires the presence of an external DTS filter (e.g. Surcode).

When you’ve made your choices, it’s finally time to click Next and let the process run. In an hour or so you should have a fully BD compatible folder structure on your hard drive, ready to burn.

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Guide looks pretty good!  I've never actually used ClownBD, I've always used eac3to and TSmuxer separately. I might've been doing it the hard way, but oh well. 

One minor thing:

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Dolby Digital Plus aka E-AC3 is not BD-friendly,

 This actually depends on the player.  I believe most don't support it, but some will.  My Panasonic DMP-BDT310 plays discs muxed with DD+ just fine. My Oppo BDP-80 will play it so long as the player is set to LPCM and not bitstream. I think I remember someone on AVS saying the same was true for his Pioneer player.

But yeah, the PS3 freezes up when you try to play a disc with DD+.

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Fair enough - I had a couple of cheap no-brand players that could handle it too, but since it's not part of the official BD spec I thought it best to play it safe. By all means experiment with a BD-RW... YMMV and so on.

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Jonno, if I choose unconverted, it'll leave the lossless audio alone? Cause some, not all, HD DVDs contain Dolby TrueHD or LPCM (uncompressed). I've never encountered, to my immediate knowledge, of a HD DVD with DTS-HD Master Audio lossless track.

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Me neither, but it's apparently part of the HD-DVD spec so I thought I'd best mention it in case it crops up on a disc. More info on supported formats here.

Anyway, 'unconverted' should leave your TrueHD or PCM alone with no messin'.

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Nicely done Jonno.  I'm sure this will help out folks who want to experiment and archive their HD-DVD collections.

Cheers!!!!

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On a related note, could someone help me with extracting uncompressed frames from an HD DVD? The usual JPG screencaps kill tiny details I'm trying to zoom in on.

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This is a great tool to automate the whole process of HD-DVD to BD conversion without any re-encoding. It also makes it easy to use the BD source to create a quick .mkv file using other software.

I am puzzled by one thing, though. My primary playback device is the Oppo BDP-83.
Files I’ve created played back through the 83 are horizontally squeezed. It has no trouble with 99% of .mkv files in my collection, but the BDs/.MKVs created through this process involves VC-1 sources for the most part.

I have not actually burned a BD from one of these conversions to disc yet since the .mkv tests did not go well.

My Oppo BDP-93 does not seem to have trouble with the .MKVs or BD folder structures created in this process, but then, the 93’s media handling is much better. In fact, I believe the DLNA is actually a supported feature whereas with the 83, it is not.

Am I out of luck or is there some point in the process that can be tweaked to satisfy the Oppo 83?

Going from VC-1 to AVC is going to mean re-encoding, right?

There is another test I can do to confirm that the problem is the VC-1 encodes. I know that about 3 or 4 of my HD-DVDs have AVC encodes. I will see what happens with them.

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Looks like I got my answer. My Clerks II HD-DVD has an AVC encode. I created a BD with ClownBD and then ripped to .mkv. The file plays fine with the Oppo 83. 😃

If anyone has suggestions on making VC-1s in .mkv containers work with the 83, I’d love to hear about them.

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You’ve probably already tried this, but does your Oppo support TS or M2TS files? You could try muxing one of those out of ClownBD and see if it’s interpreted more properly.

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I used tsMuxer to go directly from the .EVO feature to an .m2ts. It is still squished on the Oppo 83. However, my Sony BDP-S790 is able to play it just fine (it too had trouble with VC-1s in .mkv containers…not that they were squeezed, it would not play them at all). Also surprised to see the Dolby Digital Plus audio recognized.

I will try making a .ts next…

(same here, still squished).

Think I will just have to take a chance on burning a BD to see if that will make a difference. It will be local media instead of involving DLNA, so it might behave differently.

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You’ve probably already tried this, but does your Oppo support TS or M2TS files? You could try muxing one of those out of ClownBD and see if it’s interpreted more properly.

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It does sound as if the DLNA route is causing the issue - fwiw I’ve had strange aspect ratio issues with some versions of Plex at various times. I’d be very surprised if a disc burn didn’t work properly.

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I’m leaning towards a DLNA problem also. The disc I burned is playing correctly! I still erred on the side of caution and chose a core audio format (DD instead of DD Plus) but I may go with a TrueHD track next time.

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It does sound as if the DLNA route is causing the issue - fwiw I’ve had strange aspect ratio issues with some versions of Plex at various times. I’d be very surprised if a disc burn didn’t work properly.

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Subtitles have always been a little tricky to me. If I am making the best representation of the original HD-DVD in this process, I want to include them as well (English only is fine) and I did just that by making sure this was selected, and yet, the resulting disc does not seem to have them available from my player. What did I miss?

Do I need to have the “Force subtitles” enabled also? To me, that seems to imply that they become part of the video stream and cannot be disabled. I do not want subtitles that bad. Toggling them on/off as needed is fine. 😃

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I have a slightly better understanding of how subtitles are handled. I have read the logs and can clearly see where the subtitles are extracted and placed into the temp folder (in the .sup format). The are are no errors reported but the resulting BD folders I have created do not have subtitles in them! I believe the part where it is failing is with tsMuxer as I have tried to manually add the audio, video and subtitle tracks but it says the subtitles are an “Unsupported format”. tsMusxer is version 2.6.12.

I have tried multiple HD-DVD sources and the same thing happens.

Any ideas?

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Read some more notes on ClownBD. Looks like this is needed:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=145277

and I see the empty BDSup2Sub folder inside of the ClownBD folder. I placed the BDSup2Sub.jar file in there and also installed the latest Java Runtime Environment.

Now I am getting somewhere. A log file regarding BDSup2Sub was created but I am not sure what it is trying to tell me. The error message is:

ERROR: Input file not found: C:\Program Files (x86)\ClownBD’F:\ClownBD\eac3totemp*.sup’ ‘F:\ClownBD\eac3totemp*_exp.sup’ \res:1080

Is it looking for the original extracted .sup (it is there) or the exported from BDSup2Sub files? This is a tsMuxer error but I saw no indication that BDSup2Sub had done any conversion yet. Maybe I still do not have it in the correct place to launch.

I may also have a problem with my Java install. Double-clicking on the .jar file does not launch the program, but it can be started from command line. The .jar file should be associated with the javaw bin and it is but it still does not launch from Windows. Perhaps that could be the problem.

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Believe I figured it out. It wasn’t just BDSup2Sub that was missing. I was missing a lot of the support programs. I found a complete ClownBD archive (although with three files being older releases) and copied the whole thing over to my system. The Subtitle conversion is now working flawlessly.

Incidentally, Jonno, are you the ClownBD author? There’s not a lot of info here:

http://www.clownbd.com/

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Nope, not me! I just put this guide together from bits and pieces I’d found - like you, I’ve found the lack of documentation frustrating, but it’s a terrific little program when you get a handle on it.

Glad you got the subtitles sorted, not something I ever had cause to look into myself. Your comments will make for a useful reference in future.

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Thanks!

I also discovered it was BDSup2Sub that caused the error. Specifically, the version I first used. Apparently, v5.1.2 is not supported by ClownBD. The version that comes with the ClownBD archive (v4.0.0) works fine.