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If you want GOOD slow motion from DV, then you should try Motion Perfect. This stuff is the bomb. Check out the samples and you'll see what I mean. You can slow video down to half or even quarter speed. You can email me at originaltrilogy at yahoo dot com if you have any questions about it.
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
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<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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*Resample*
(video only)
Select a radio button to determine how video frames will be resampled when the frame rate of a media file is lower than the project’s frame rate. This can occur either when the event has a velocity envelope or when the frame rate of the original media is different than the Frame rate setting on the Video tab of the Project Properties dialog.
With resampling, the intervening frames are interpolated from the source frames, much like a crossfade effect between the original frames. This may solve some interlacing problems and other jittery output problems.
*Smart resample*
Resampling occurs only when an event's calculated frame rate does not match the project frame rate and the project frame rate is 24 fps or greater.
The calculated frame rate takes into account any changes made to event speed with velocity envelope, playback rate, and undersample rate.
*Force resample*
The event is always resampled, regardless of its frame rate or the output frame rate.
*Disable resample*
No resampling
(video only)
Select a radio button to determine how video frames will be resampled when the frame rate of a media file is lower than the project’s frame rate. This can occur either when the event has a velocity envelope or when the frame rate of the original media is different than the Frame rate setting on the Video tab of the Project Properties dialog.
With resampling, the intervening frames are interpolated from the source frames, much like a crossfade effect between the original frames. This may solve some interlacing problems and other jittery output problems.
*Smart resample*
Resampling occurs only when an event's calculated frame rate does not match the project frame rate and the project frame rate is 24 fps or greater.
The calculated frame rate takes into account any changes made to event speed with velocity envelope, playback rate, and undersample rate.
*Force resample*
The event is always resampled, regardless of its frame rate or the output frame rate.
*Disable resample*
No resampling
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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But what does interpolated mean and is that different from interlaced?
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This is why you should test any final DVD projects on a TV screen, because despite how good your video looks on the computer, interlacing artifacts can seemingly be created out of thin air. (Which leads me to wonder - are you seeing these artifacts in Vegas, or are they suddenly appearing when you watch the video on TV? You said this was a recent change, so perhaps this is the cause?)
Interpolating simply refers to creating new frames/pixels/visual information in between existing frames/pixels/visual information. It can be used to create new scan lines in each frame, thus turning interlaced video into progressive video. (Speaking of which, you might want to look under PROJECT PROPERTIES for DEINTERLACE METHOD. Try setting that to "None" and see if it helps. Deinterlacing can actually make video look worse under many conditions.)
It can also be used to create new frames between frames, thus creating the impression of "slowing down" video. If you looked at the samples on the MotionPerfect website I mentioned, you will see some FANTASTIC examples of frame interpolation. This software is amazing!
BTW, if you really love this software, I highly recommend this book. It is my bible now. (There's an updated version for Vegas 6. I've not read this one, so I don't know what the differences are.) The book comes with a DVD full of project files, moving backgrounds, ACID audio loops, and all sorts of cool stuff.
) <span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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Do you think you could send me some small snippets of your AVIs before and after you changed the settings? It would help if I could look at them.
BTW, I was doing some extreme slow motion for a recent project, and it looked really bad until I realized that some effects, like deinterlacing, won't show correctly unless you raise the render quality to GOOD or BEST. Up until I remembered this, it looked like Vegas wasn't deinterlacing at all. Deinterlacing the video helped when I rendered it out at full speed to a new AVI, and then slowed it down with Motion Perfect, which does a FAR better job of interpolating new frames to render slow motion video. (Vegas simply takes existing video information and offsets it slightly, resulting in ghosting or double images.) If you really want good slow motion, Motion Perfect is fantastic. The samples on their website will astonish you.
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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BTW, how much are you trying to slow the footage down?
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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I'm just curious to know if resampling is what is causing the problem. I'm wondering which setting, in your eyes, produces the best results.
From my own experience, the slower the video speed, the worse the artifacts from resampling.
Did you ever try the Motion Perfect software?
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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One other question. Are there any ways to reduce the amount of dropped frames? I get way to many frame drops at a vhs vcr rainbow edit. Worse, I often get this huge 30 min amount of black empty space placed between a frame drop of 30 frames at the most. It's such a pain to cut and bring the working video parts together. Sometimes when I capture a scene of a longer video that dropped frames before, less will be dropped. Why is that?
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Actually, I'm not using Motion Perfect for the X0 Project, because we aren't slowing any footage down (how many people know how many slo-mo scenes are actually in the OT?
)"One other question. Are there any ways to reduce the amount of dropped frames? I get way to many frame drops at a vhs vcr rainbow edit. Worse, I often get this huge 30 min amount of black empty space placed between a frame drop of 30 frames at the most."
I'm not sure what's creating the 30-min space, but I don't capture with Vegas. I downloaded the Standalone Mainconcept encoder, and found that that program gives me the best captures with no drops. Now, this is in regards to anything non-DV (i.e. capturing from a VCR.) You should try a variety of programs to see what gets you the best result.
When capturing from my mini-DV camcorder, I do use Vegas, but I don't get dropped frames. When you are capturing video from any source, you need to make sure all resources are available, and that you have plenty of memory and hard disk space. Set up the capture process, and LEAVE THE COMPUTER ALONE!
If you continue to get dropped frames, you might want to reboot your computer, and then go into msconfig.exe and turn off unnecessary programs.
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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When you mentioned to have plenty of hard drive space, why is that? I mean sure you need enough to store the video you're capturing but is there a further advantage to having hard drive space well beyond what you need? Would a computer with a less full harddrive perform better such as not drop so many frames or resample slow motion much better? It does seem that it has gradually dropped more and more frames recently so this would make sense.
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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What is the best firewire card to get and/or is there a really good one under $50? Especially one that doesn't drop a lot of frames with analog captures. I was reccomended the Belkin PCI to 1394a card model FSU502. It's $38 on newegg, is that a good product/price?
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BTW, if you are still having difficulties capturing, there are two other possible options.
1) My camcorder has a feature named something like "video pass-through" (I'll have to look it up), where I can plug in an analog source to the camcorder, and the camcorder converts the incoming signal to DV video, and transfers it to the computer via firewire in real time. This is handy for when I just want a quick capture and the video I am capturing doesn't have to be of the best quality (HuffyUV versus the DV codec).
[EDIT] The video pass-through function is called "Signal Convert".
The other bonus of this method is that the audio and video are ALWAYS in perfect sync. (Sometimes, I will do two captures. One using this method with audio/video, and one using my video capture card and audio, and then I can compare all 4 tracks in Vegas, using the DV capture as a baseline. Gobs and gobs of hard drive space make this possible
)2) Connect your analog source to the camera, and record directly to tape. Then, plug the camera into the firewire card and capture the DV video from the tape. I mention this because I've had virtually zero problems capturing video from my camcorder into Vegas, and if your camcorder doesn't have the video-pass through feature, then you can use this two-step method to get the same effect.
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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I have 1,750 GBs, almost 2 terabytes of storage. (I'm a bit of a pack-rat. My 400GB drive is full of family videos that I've not had time to convert to DVD - some are 3-4 years old.
)If your Hi8 has video out (most cams do), and your camcorder has video in (depends), then it's possible.
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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My Sony 8mm from '97 has professional color quality, even I have trouble distinguishing it from 3ccd miniDV. I have a very similarly good Sony Hi8 xr from '98. The most important thing is a clean, clear picture without noise artifacts, with accurate vibrant colors and a good exposure that produces a natural image. Lines of resolution isn't nearly as important as those other aspects.
End of rant. Trust me, you'd be pretty pissed off (even after 2 years) if you spent $700 for a PoS that should have cost half that and really wasn't even worth $200.
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[/url]Although the first two shots are motion blurred, the second one looks a lot worse, especially in motion. The first one has a soft blur that looks natural for the slow motion but the second plays very jarring and garbled. These are from rendered avi files. The capture source is a vhs tape. As far as I know the vegas settings are the same so I don't know how the resampling got worse.
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