Air fryers.
Awesome things. Simple, quick and easy to use. Simple, quick and easy to clean.
A 256gb USB drive.
Gonna see if I can fit all the on-screen Star Wars releases on it. All the films, specials, series, animated shows. Everything apart from the SW LEGO content.
The word “gullible” has now been removed from all dictionaries.
That actually looks interesting and fun trip down memory lane. You’re right, these recent documentaries for the older lesser known stuff is good to see.
It may even be better than the original content itself if this’ll be anything like A Disturbance In The Force!
Getting out of the cold and rain, then sitting in front of the fire with a hot drink, and relaxing by doing nothing except listening to the rain outside.
They look very cool, a good range from across the franchise, and fair prices too.
https://www.amazon.com/Squadron-Scavenged-Off-World-SWJ0030-Multicolored/dp/B0BKX4YRFZ - $26 for the Razor Crest!
If they ever do Luthen Rael’s Fondor Haulcraft from Andor, I’d definitely get that.
Edit: I looked more into these and they appear great value for money. Ideal for someone where display space may be at a premium and doesn’t want to pay a premium price. The sculpts and build quality look impressive, some cool detailing, weathering and battle damage, and nice paint work as the series has progressed. Vehicles from all corners of Star Wars too. I hope Andor is also included soon.
Respect to Jazwares for this range, especially at these prices.
Considering the AT-AT is the most expansive set, it looks good bang-for-your-buck. The Falcon, AT-AT and Ghost all feature light and sound effects.
The Falcon: www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bIek5hy7UY
AT-AT: www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDjNNfmqXPo
The Ghost: www.youtube.com/shorts/mxXpgxh_krg
NotalgicAdam has a YouTube playlist for the series: www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLn_tW4Hgcvd7s_63BmovxlgVTNbwtfvC7
More:
Star Wars Micro Galaxy Squadron Series 1 Review - at Vullk
Star Wars Micro Galaxy Squadron Series 2 Review - at Vullk
Star Wars Micro Galaxy Squadron Series 3 Review - at Vullk
Star Wars Micro Galaxy Squadron Series 4 - at RebelScale
Star Wars Micro Galaxy Squadron Series 5 - at RebelScale
Star Wars Micro Galaxy Squadron Series 6
https://www.amazon.com/WICAREYO-Protector-Plastic-Protective-Display/dp/B09ZP8M5N4?th=1 - 10pcs for $18, with a host of other options on there. Some with UV protection if you’re showing them on a shelf or display exposed to sunlight.
If my figures were still carded I’d have put them in there. Looks pretty cool on the shelf on a few collector videos I’ve seen.
As for valuation I’ve no idea, https://rebelscum.com is still around, and has some guide prices, and their own forum.
I’m still amazed that good Kenner ships and sets from our childhood era is cheaper than the new LEOG sets and ships!
I looked at the 25th anniversary sets from Lego: https://www.starwars.com/news/lego-star-wars-25th-anniversary
^ $85
^ $80
^ $55
I thought those are cool, I’ll get some of those, but then realized they are only miniatures. Not a lot of LEGO in them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6X3wII1pio - a 5 minute “first look” video, and an idea on the actual sizes of the ships.
Woah. $500 for The Ghost? It looks awesome, but I feel like Mocata does, that pricetag!!!
This is now close to release?
An alpha version (after the 6 Betas):
(above picture was found on twitter)
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That is great, and thank you.
I’ll add another tick to the list of queries being answered, and add the Kenobi clone fan theory into the Miscellaneous category.
Hello Connor,
I also would like to ask if I could get an invitation code, I have watched the Despecialized versions before but would like to enjoy the 4k77 with my new OLED 77 inch screen.
Thanks for the support
Invite codes for “TheStarWarsTrilogy•com” forums are listed in the 4K77, 4K80 and 4K83 project threads on here.
The “You need to register before you can see these forums” page on “TheStarWarsTrilogy•com” forums is a big help.
An Index Of Projects & Help Thread for Star Wars Preservations is a good place to look for any of the other Star Wars preservation projects.
I can’t find any
Scroll down the front page of the site and you’ll see:
In there is an “Index of Projects”, pinned near the top of that section, in there is a whole category on GOUT projects.
I hope you find what you’re looking for.
Man, awesome thread. I’ve only skimmed it so far, but am already looking forward to getting into it and reading a number pf the old novels, sourcebooks, and guides again!
My meagre contribution:
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wookieepedia page for Garm Bel Iblis: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Garm_Bel_Iblis/Legends
Thanks Caston. That’s a cool find and reminder. I’ve added a ‘Garm Bel Iblis’ section to the Characters and Biographies | Protagonists & Allies category, and added your post to that.
Like we were talking about earlier in the week, I still miss the idea of the pre-PT EU, and find it a pity there are no more new additions or releases, for that earlier “pre-PT era” timeline. Maybe there are some fan fics out there somewhere?
Thanks Mocata, and also JadedSkywalker. The Charles Lippincott blog makes for a great a read through, some truly awesome stuff on there, and I’ve only just read a little of it so far.
Posts on TFN’s Jedi Council Forums tipped me off to Bataal Bandu, a Sith belonging to a faction in opposition to Vader. Luckily, the Internet Archive has a copy of the magazine he’s mentioned in:
https://archive.org/details/IQ.Gamer.Partial.Collection/inquest.043.(1998-11)/mode/2up?view=theater
Thanks Superweapon VII! Batall Bandu is interesting enough for his own comic after reading that article.
That Internet Archive has been superb for content in here, and for much older and no longer acknowledged content on the official sites in general.
I’ve added the article, links and a couple of screenshots to the Settings, Planets and Systems | Organisations and Governments section, in “The Sith” category #5.
henzINNIT and Vladius: thank you for the kind words.
screams in the void: nice finds and sources! I look forward to having the time to read them over the weekend.
Gandalf the Cyan: thank you also for the kind words. What a resource that Deckplans Alliance website is!
I’ve added it to the Miscellaneous section of the thread, as Category #6, and also credited you in there too.
Looking forward to giving that site a more thorough read through soon as well.
Awesome thread BoShek !!! A couple things to add to the thread …In Star Wars official poster monthly from 1978 , the Storm Troopers were described as clones ,
Thanks screams, and for the additions!
" The creation of an Imperial Stormtrooper. A cloned man is one of a group of genetically identical humans, an assembly-line product. He is a thinking man, but he serves a specific purpose and no other. A Clone has no mother; only his trainers, and he accepts his fate because he believes it is inevitable. A Clone is, physically and emotionally, a normal man. He simply has no human rights and no name. He is the property of the Emperor. Soldiers fully formed in the growth tanks quickly proved impractical. Scientists found themselves the befuddled fathers of 12-stone blubbering idiots. A foetus is now removed from the hatchery after a gestation period of 60 weeks and is delivered immediately into the hands of its trainers."
A scan of said article can be found here…https://imgur.com/08OBzmC
^ That is great. I’ve added a “Stormtrooper” category to the Characters and Biographies | Antagonists, Adversaries, and their Allies just for that.
Also , I have a Starlog magazine , issue 236 , celebrating the 20th anniversary of Star Wars in 1997 . There is an article in it speculating about the then upcoming prequel trilogy . It has some cartoony illustrations of a group of Jedi Knights all wearing Luke’s ROTJ garb ,mentions them fighting Mandalorians ,and gives a breakdown of how they thought each movie may go . Unfortunately , my copy is buried in a box somewhere in my walk in closet under a pile of old electronics . So if anyone has a copy of that issue ,it would be great to post it here with scans . I couldn’t find the article online anywhere . ( too bad the internet archive took down their collection of Starlog that was on there a few years back )
^ I’d love to see that, and the speculation for the PT too. I hope someone has a scan of it and can post it here. Added it to the A list of ‘Suggestions, Claims, Memories, and Posts’ on more pre-PT era material: to be checked and confirmed. Thanks again.
Also , as the prologue of the original novel mentioned the Journal Of The Whills , I always thought that might have been the title of Episode 1 and we would have gotten an explanation of who they were . One thing I appreciated about Rogue One was the inclusion of Chirrut and Baze as Guardians of the Whills , nodding back to that .
^ Yes! I really enjoy those kind of nods and call backs. I think there was a manga comic too on Chirrut and Baze during their as Guardians of the Whills? I’ll have to get around to reading that soon.
Season 2 of Visions got 6 Annie Award nominations!
Always pleasing to see Star Wars content as varied and interesting as this get some love and recognition:
https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-visions-volume-2-annie-award-nominations
Best FX - TV/Media: Sith
Best Character Animation - TV/Media: I Am Your Mother
Best Direction - TV/Media: Screecher’s Reach
Best Music - TV/Media: Aau’s Song
Best Production Design - TV/Media: Sith
Best Editorial - TV/Media: Screecher’s Reach
Edit - Visions season 2 won 2 Annie awards: https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-visions-annie-awards-2024
Paul Young and Cartoon Saloon won Best Direction for “Screecher’s Reach,”
Markus Wormstorm, Nadia Darries, Dineo Du Toit, and Trigger Fish Animation Studios won Best Music for “Aau’s Song.”
Credits
This was all inspired by theprequelsrule’s Wars, organizations, relationships, and galactic history before the Prequels thread.
As well as some other recent OT threads and discussions on the subject of pre-Prequel era lore. I hope anyone interested will post up any material or content for that pre-PT era, and also any memories or current thoughts on the subject in here, too.
Tales Of The Jedi | 1993-1998 comic series | a general discussion thread + Veitch & Zahn’s other early worldbuilding projects.
Suggested Sources: The Original Trilogy films, draft scripts, TSWHS, 2 Ewok films, Droids cartoon, the books: 1976-83 (inc OT film novelisations), the later EU; novels, comics and games (notably the Thrawn Trilogy), WEG sourcebooks, guidebooks, Art Of books, toys & descriptions, Making Magic & BTM CD-Roms, collecting cards, radio plays, and any other official GFFA content.
^ Sources can also likely be found in magazines that had articles, interviews, and stories featuring material on the pre-Prequel era. Publications such as Starlog, Star Wars Insider, CinemaScape, Hyperspace, the official Fan Clubs and newsletters. Even the early years of the official Star Wars website and blog when such pre-PT lore & history was openly discussed and acknowledged.
It is worth acknowledging that this pre-Prequel era of lore also had some contradictions and flaws in its own history and timelines. Yet that for some of us, this was more interesting to see how George and Lucasfilm would attempt to reconcile any issues in other future material and films, or which timeline or content would ‘win out’.
Or us fans choosing our own personal preference, or certain point of view, which appealed to our imagination or head canon.
Thanks to theprequelsrule, DarthStarkiller1234, Vladius, Superweapon VII, Caston, BedeHistory731, fmalover, Spartacus01, darklordoftech, NFBisms, Emre16O1, JadedSkywalker, Channel72, Sevb32, Pagan Editor, RogueLeader, screamsinthevoid and others for their recent posts and threads on the pre-PT era & EU that inspired me to attempt this scrapbook resource thread.
Thanks also to oojason for suggesting ideas on possible layouts & formatting of this ‘info thread’, the linked video of ‘Obi Wan Kenobi explains the Force to Luke’, for sources & content, fixing errors, + writing most of the ‘Intro’ & ‘Canon’ sections for me.
I hope others will also post up any “pre-PT era” material they know of, and continue to add to this ‘living scrapbook’ resource.
And if not, hopefully this will simply be of interest for others, or may be of some use in a future “pre-PT era” scrapbook project.
• Introduction
• A quick note on ‘Canon’ (yep, I know…)
• Timelines: Story Events and Alterations
• Settings, Planets and Systems | Organisations and Governments
• The Jedi (as an Order Of Knights; their Way Of Life, the Force, Robes, Lightsabers etc)
• Characters and Biographies | Protagonists and Allies (including changes of persona or origin story)
• Characters and Biographies | Antagonists, Adversaries and their Allies (including changes of persona or origin story)
• Miscellaneous
• Blank Post (a spare post for possible future use; if ever required)
• A list of ‘Suggestions, Claims, Memories, and Posts’ on more pre-PT era material: to be checked and confirmed
• Index of Relevant OriginalTrilogy.com Threads
• Credits
Index of Relevant OriginalTrilogy•com Threads
The Index below is from the following category in ‘An Index for General Star Wars Discussion’:
'The Star Wars Universe: OT & EU - Life & Lore before the Prequels (the PT ushering in George’s ‘nu-SW rules’ and more retcons)’
Star Wars before the Prequels (with the PT ushering in George’s ‘nu-SW rules’) : life & lore from both the Original Trilogy & Expanded Universe…
Some threads highlighting ‘pre-PT era’ lore & history - before the Prequel films retconned it & introduced new lore…
• Wars, organizations, relationships, and galactic history before the Prequels (2019 thread)• Putting The Original-Original Trilogy’s Prequel Story together (2008 thread)
• The Prequels as Envisioned by the (Pre-PT) Expanded Universe (2012 thread)
• What if The Prequels were based on the Pre-PT EU and were more “OT Accurate”? (2023 thread)
• How the EU and the OT described Anakin Skywalker, Palpatine and the Jedi Knights before the PT films? (2023 thread)
• Implied starting date of the Empire from OT dialogue (2015 thread; + character ages + when certain events took place…)
• Star Wars Prequels were mapped out in 1981, only nothing like the way they turned out (2013 thread)
• What if the Prequels were made in the 80’s? (2022 thread)
• Star Wars in the '90s? (2009 thread)
• Interesting Hypothesis of the Prequels Story from the Mid 90’s (2005 thread)
• What did we all expect from the Prequel Trilogy? (2004 thread)
• How did you envision the Prequels? (2007 thread)
• What were your original expectations for the PT? (2007 thread)
• How did you imagine The Star Wars Prequels before they came out? (2011 thread)
• What did you think the Clone Wars were gonna be? (2005 thread)
• How did you imagine the Emperor taking over? (2005 thread)
• Did you think Dagobah was Yoda’s homeworld before the Prequels were made? (2022 thread)
• How you pictured Anakin pre-PT (2015 thread)
• “You don’t know the power of the dark side! I must obey my master” (2005 thread; OT dialogue vs PT events)
• Shrinking Star Wars? (2011 thread)
• Original Trilogy vs The Prequels: inconsistencies, retcons, plot holes and discrepancies… (2021 thread; ‘50+ issues’ list)
The Jedi & Sith; The Force - Light & Dark Side, in between, and the mystery…
Including discussions on the dissonance between the Jedi of the Original Trilogy era vs Prequels & since… (1976-1998 vs 1999-present)
• Lucas’ Inspirations for Star Wars (2012 thread)
• Bushido of Star Wars (2004 thread)
The Jedi Purge | a general discussion (2024 thread)
• Ignorance in the Star Wars Galaxy (2014 thread)
• Do you think the average citizen of the Star Wars galaxy would even be aware of the Force? (2012 thread)
• Personal Opinions on the Nature of the Force (2013 thread)
• Questions about the The Force & the SW universe (2018 thread)
• What was George talking about here? In his conversation with Alan Dean Foster? - re The Force in ESB (2020 thread)
• Inconsistent use of “the force” (2008 thread)
• Frivolous use of the Force (2014 thread)
• Unused force ability? - re The Force in ESB (2004 thread)
• Force Speed question? (2014 thread)
• How did Vader deflect those shots? (2009 thread)
• “explanations” about Vader (2009 thread)
• Help me settle an argument: does Luke use the ‘force choke’? (2004 thread)
• “You don’t know the power of the dark side! I must obey my master” (2005 thread)
• Luke VS the Emperor- What if Vader hadn’t been there? (2009 thread)
• In 30 years why do you think Emperor… never taught Vader how to do the lightning? (2016 thread)
• When and why did Lucas decide to make The Emperor a Force-user? (2022 thread)
• What would Darth Vader have been like as a ruler, if he had overthrown emperor palpatine and became the emperor/ruler of the galaxy himself?? (2012 thread)
The Jedi…
• Your favorite Jedi? (2011 thread)• “I was ONCE (emphasis mine) a Jedi Knight, the same as your father.” (2007 thread)
• Is Obi-Wan a Jedi Master or a Jedi Knight? (2016 thread)
• Who Was Obi Wan Kenobi’s Real Master? (2014 thread)
• Original Trilogy vs The Prequels: inconsistencies, retcons, plot holes and discrepancies… (2021 unfinished ‘50+ topics list’ thread)
• Are the Jedi so good? (2011 thread)
• When did the Jedi become monks? (2007 thread)
• What Luke’s father and Darth Vader would have been like had Lucas kept them seperate? (2023 thread)
• At what point did Tatooine robes become Jedi uniforms? (2023 thread)
• how long does it take to train a jedi? (2005 thread)
• Do the Jedi steal children? (2007 thread)
• Too Old (2004 thread)
• On Jedi and Attachment (2022 thread)
• the next generation of Jedi (2010 thread; Jedi offspring, reproduction, attachments etc)
• Punishment for committing Adultery if you are a Jedi…?? (2005 thread)
• Yoda & Emperor PT vs OT (2005 thread)
• The Jedi of the PT (2014 thread)
• ROTS: The Jedi Now Seen In A Different Light… (2005 thread)
• I hate the Jedi (2019 thread; the disconnect between OT & PT Jedi)
• Who is the greatest Jedi of all time? (Dave Filoni says it is Anakin Skywalker. Is he?) (2023 thread)
• jedi spirits (2006 thread; EU spirit possession etc)
• I’ve given this a lot of thought, and I’ve decided this makes no sense. (Qui-Gon and Anakin’s ghosts.) (2006 thread)
• Why Didn’t Qui Gon Gin’s Body Disappear Like Obiwan’s and Yoda’s? (2017 thread)
• A mini-index of OT.com threads on the subject of Anakin Skywalker’s Force Ghost in Return Of The Jedi (2020 thread)
Lightsabers…
• What methods were used in coming up with the choreography of the lightsaber duels? (2020 thread)• another example of Lucas changing things to appeal to a new generation - lightsaber dueling styles of OT vs PT (2010 thread)
• OT lightsaber colours (2019 thread; and some waffling on about the various colours used across the OT & Expanded Universe etc)
• Multiple Lightsaber Colour Appreciation Thread! (2012 thread; with images for many differing saber colours over time)
• The Curse of the Blue Lightsaber (2004 thread)
• Best (and worst) lightsaber colour? (2016 thread)
• Best (and worst) lightsaber design? (2016 thread)
• the lightsaber (2018 thread)
• lightsaber ambient light (2011 thread)
The Fall of Anakin Skywalker to the Dark Side / Vader being seduced by the power of the Dark Side…
• “You don’t know the power of the dark side! I must obey my master” (2005 thread)• Anakin’s fall - did it really need three films or could it have been done in one? (2005 thread; pre-ROTS)
• For those who are familiar with it, what do you think of the fan script of “Fall of the Republic”? (2023 thread; by John L Flynn)
• Interesting Hypothesis of the Prequels Story from the Mid 90’s (2005 thread; John L Flynn’s ‘Fall Of The Republic’ fan-script)
^ John L Flynn’s ‘fan-lore’ script: 1983’s Fall of the Republic & 1994’s Looking Back to the Future of Star Wars & his other works
• How did you imagine The Star Wars Prequels before they came out? (2011 thread)
• Fall to the Dark Side? (2007 thread)
• One of the flaws with Anakin turning to the darkside… (2009 thread)
• Anakin’s fall to the Dark Side (2011 thread)
• Anakin’s official history (2015 thread)
• Help: looking for… ideas on fixing Anakin’s fall to the darkside (2019 thread)
• Anakin Skywalker’s turn to the dark side; your alternatives? (2021 thread)
• How would you restructure Anakin’s turn to the dark side in the Prequels? (2022 thread)
The Turn: A History of the Evolution of Anakin’s Downfall - from ‘The Secret History Of Star Wars’, by Michael Kaminski (zombie84)
^ Pages 202-207 of the “Making of Star Wars: Revenge Of The Sith” book, by JW Rinzler, also chronicles the late re-writing & re-editing.
Midichlorians (+ the failed retcon attempt of them ‘having always been there’ in the GFFA, & their invention for the Prequels)
• Lucas’ EU in 1977 (midi-chlorians, space gypsies & crystal currency) (George retcons history re midichlorians)• Proof of Lucas’ revisionism in Rinzler’s making-of book? (George retcons history to try and make midichlorians a thing in 1977)
• Midicholorians (2005 thread)
• Less Offensive Midichlorians (2008 thread)
• Anakin’s Father… (2005 thread)
• Who is Anakin’s father? (2021 thread)
• Midichlorians versus Life Day: which is worse? (2011 thread)
• Star Wars Prequels were mapped out in 1981, only nothing like the way they turned out (2013 thread)
• Other than Jar Jar and midichlorians, what don’t you want in episode 7? (2014 thread)
• Who are the Whills? (2014 thread)
• Midichlorians Are Not The Force (2021 thread)
• Question about PT to OT continuity (2004 thread; re midichlorians)
• George Lucas’ comments re his Sequel Trilogy (supposedly re the macrobiotic world and midichlorians, with more retcons)
• George Lucas’s Sequel Trilogy (2020 thread; with midichlorians + more retcons; Leia now being ‘The Chosen One’ instead)
• Connection between the Telomere tail of human DNA and midi-chlorians? (2012 thread)
Rather than re-post more of the above Index categories & threads here - I’ll simply list the relevant Index sections:-
The Categories listed below can be found in ‘An Index for General Star Wars Discussion’
• Original Trilogy vs later Star Wars: plot holes, inconsistencies, contradictions, disconnects, mental gymnastics, + stretches etc
• Vs & Similarities (between Trilogies and other Star Wars releases; PT vs OT, EU vs OT, EU vs Standalone Films, ST vs TV, etc)• Canon
• ‘The pre-Prequel era EU’ discussions in ‘An Index & Help Thread for The Expanded Universe’ features many relevant threads too.
If anyone knows of any other relevant threads to include in this section please post them up. Especially for the original birth of the Rebellion, or pre-Prequel era Boba Fett (aka Jaster Mereel), Mandalorians who fought the Jedi in the Clone Wars, Palpatine (not a Sith or even a Dark Side user), Anakin, Obi-Wan, Thrawn, or any other character… that has seen their backstory or persona significantly change since the Prequel Trilogy era. Or please feel free to create any new threads yourselves on the topic…
If you’d like to see a more complete ‘Index Thread’ for this topic - please free to create one - and ask the mods to pin it up. 👍
^ click on the ‘Expand’ button above to see the lengthy ‘Index of Relevant Threads’ for this topic.
The above is correct as of 1st January, 2024. Check An Index for General Star Wars Discussion for more any new additions & edits etc.
DarthStarkiller1234, DuracellEnergizer, Wannabe Scholar, and a whole host of many other talented writers have also put together some ideas, outlines, and stories based on the ‘PT era’ and ‘pre-Prequel era’ of Star Wars over the years.
These can be found in the Script Writing and Re-writing forum, as well as…
An Index Thread for Script Writing and Re-writing
• Introduction
• A quick note on ‘Canon’ (yep, I know…)
• Timelines: Story Events and Alterations
• Settings, Planets and Systems | Organisations and Governments
• The Jedi (as an Order Of Knights; their Way Of Life, the Force, Robes, Lightsabers etc)
• Characters and Biographies | Protagonists and Allies (including changes of persona or origin story)
• Characters and Biographies | Antagonists, Adversaries and their Allies (including changes of persona or origin story)
• Miscellaneous
• Blank Post (a spare post for possible future use; if ever required)
• A list of ‘Suggestions, Claims, Memories, and Posts’ on more pre-PT era material: to be checked and confirmed
• Index of Relevant OriginalTrilogy.com Threads
• Credits
A list of ‘Suggestions, Claims, Memories, and Posts’ on more pre-PT era material: to be checked and confirmed
If you have any knowledge or memories of more pre-TT era material; stories, events or characters etc to add in here, or simply know of better quality sources and citations than those already posted up in here, please post them up in this thread.
Any help in providing answers, thoughts, information, or sources and citations - in checking and verifying any of these below is most welcome.
Key: ❔ = have not yet found sources to confirm this. ✔️ = confirmed and also discussed in this thread.
Q 1. A list of assorted ‘pre-PT era’ claims to check:
(click on the ‘Expand’ button below to see some intriguing pre-PT era content posted by CharlieTheStrawman at reddit/SWEU)
I found this helpful thread on a rare visit to the StarWarsEU reddit: Prequels before the prequels
The Thrawn Trilogy and various other material put the end of the Clone Wars at 35 BBY. ✔️
An obscure West End Roleplaying Game piece lists Palpatine as a former Jedi Master. ✔️
Jedi Search has Luke saying Yoda lived on Dagobah for hundreds of years. ✔️
The ESB Novelization says the Republic fought Mandalorians in the CW, and pretty much everybody agreed the Clones were the main enemy. ✔️
The main uniform of the Jedi was what Luke wore in ROTJ. ✔️
the Sith were name dropped in the ANH Novelization, but nobody knew what they actually were. Zahn wanted to to have them as what later became the Noghiri, but that was vetoed. ✔️
Palpatine came into power after the CW. Mon Mothma was a Senator at the time. ✔️
Obi-Wan had another apprentice alongside Anakin during the CW (initially Vader when he was a separate character from Ani, but that was obviously retconned. That guy later became Halagad Ventor). ✔️
Owen was Obi-Wan’s brother. ✔️
Luke and Leia’s mother stayed with the latter, and died when the twins were four. ✔️
Anakin and Obi-Wan still fought on a lava planet. ✔️
Obi was implied to be from Tatooine. ✔️
Jedi could get married. ✔️
Boba Fett’s real name was Jaster Meereel, and he was an adult during the CW. ✔️
Vader was already in the suit when the Empire began, he rose the through the ranks as damaged goods (mainly through being Tarkin’s henchman). ❔
Leia’s adoptive father’s first name was Prestor (retconned to be his middle name). ✔️
Anakin didn’t know his wife was pregnant at all. ✔️
If I remember anything else, I’ll edit it in."
^ all in a single post by CharlieTheStrawman
Status: 17 claims in total. 1 to still check/verify. 16 confirmed/answered (in here or in the main ‘a few OT•com threads’ section).
❔ & ✔️
The remaining queries/statement; any help or information welcome:
15• Vader was already in the suit when the Empire began, he rose the through the ranks as damaged goods (mainly through being Tarkin’s henchman). ❔
Q 2. If anyone had read K. W. Jeter’s The Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy, do you recall Mandalorians disappearing from the known galaxy at the end of the Clone Wars?
wookieepedia page for 1998-99’s The Bounty Hunters trilogy: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Bounty_Hunter_Wars
The titles of the trilogy of book are: ‘The Mandalorian Armor’, ‘Slave Ship’, and ‘Hard Merchandise’.
I’ve come across a few posts from folks who claim that K. W. Jeter’s The Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy references the Clone Wars. Specifically, that the majority of Mandalorians disappeared from the known galaxy at the end of the wars, their fleet making a blind hyperspace jump into the unknown. None of them cited their sources, though, which is frustrating.
Status: ❔
Q 3. Was there an old EU story with Obi Wan finding a young Anakin working as a navigator on a spice freighter?
Luke Skywalker: “No, my father didn’t fight in the Clone Wars. He was a navigator on a spice freighter.”
Obi-Wan Kenobi: “That’s what your uncle told you. He didn’t hold with your father’s ideals; he felt he should’ve stayed here and not gotten involved.”
Luke Skywalker: “You fought in the Clone Wars?”
Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi: “Yes. I was once a Jedi Knight, the same as your father.”
^ Ah yes, when Luke’s father and Darth Vader were still two separate characters!
Okay… for some bizarre reason; my imagination, a ‘mandela effect’, maybe reading a fan-fic or fan-lore, or even an old EU tale… I remember reading a short story set in the pre-PT era where this was actually the circumstances of how Obi-Wan met Anakin:-
That Obi-Wan was using the spice freighter as a transport to drop him off to his far-off mission, when the ship came under attack by pirates, the bridge crew killed, and Anakin then took over the controls and piloted the ship to safety from an almost certain death. Obi Wan was impressed with Anakin’s skills and how strong he was with the Force, and took it upon himself to offer Anakin the chance to train as a Jedi, when he returned from completing his far-off mission.
Did anyone else read or remember this? Know the EU story? magazine article, or fan-fic? Even an online story post? Or maybe took the same drugs back in the 90’s and shared the same dream, or false memory?
If you do remember any of this story, please let me know. Thanks!
(oojason)
Status: ❔
Q 4. Speculation for the upcoming PT films in 1997 From Starlog magazine #236 (March 1997):
Illustrations of a group of Jedi wearing Luke’s ROTJ-type garb, and mentions of them fighting Mandalorians,.
Also , I have a Starlog magazine , issue 236 , celebrating the 20th anniversary of Star Wars in 1997 . There is an article in it speculating about the then upcoming prequel trilogy . It has some cartoony illustrations of a group of Jedi Knights all wearing Luke’s ROTJ garb ,mentions them fighting Mandalorians ,and gives a breakdown of how they thought each movie may go . Unfortunately , my copy is buried in a box somewhere in my walk in closet under a pile of old electronics . So if anyone has a copy of that issue ,it would be great to post it here with scans . I couldn’t find the article online anywhere . ( too bad the internet archive took down their collection of Starlog that was on there a few years back )
Status: ❔ - has anyone got a scan, or able to scan this issue, for the above content?
• Introduction
• A quick note on ‘Canon’ (yep, I know…)
• Timelines: Story Events and Alterations
• Settings, Planets and Systems | Organisations and Governments
• The Jedi (as an Order Of Knights; their Way Of Life, the Force, Robes, Lightsabers etc)
• Characters and Biographies | Protagonists and Allies (including changes of persona or origin story)
• Characters and Biographies | Antagonists, Adversaries and their Allies (including changes of persona or origin story)
• Miscellaneous
• Blank Post (a spare post for possible future use; if ever required)
• A list of ‘Suggestions, Claims, Memories, and Posts’ on more pre-PT era material: to be checked and confirmed
• Index of Relevant OriginalTrilogy.com Threads
• Credits
Instead of having a blank post here, until a new category is made for this post (if it ever is), here are some OT•com threads discussing ‘the anticipation of the Prequel Trilogy films’; what we as fans at the time were hoping for, expecting, envisioning.
Which was likely based on what we’d already been told about in the OT & EU in the years before the release of the PT films:
• The Prequels as Envisioned by the (Pre-PT) Expanded Universe (2012 thread)
• How the EU and the OT described Anakin Skywalker, Palpatine and the Jedi Knights before the PT films? (2023 thread)
• Star Wars Prequels were mapped out in 1981, only nothing like the way they turned out (2013 thread)
• Interesting Hypothesis of the Prequels Story from the Mid 90’s (2005; ‘Looking Back To The Future Of Star Wars’, by John L. Flynn)
• What did we all expect from the Prequel Trilogy? (2004 thread)
• How did you envision the Prequels? (2007 thread)
• What were your original expectations for the PT? (2007 thread)
• How did you imagine The Star Wars Prequels before they came out? (2011 thread)
• What did you think the Clone Wars were gonna be? (2005 thread)
• How did you imagine the Emperor taking over? (2005 thread)
• Did you think Dagobah was Yoda’s homeworld before the Prequels were made? (2022 thread)
• How you pictured Anakin pre-PT (2015 thread)
• The Jedi Purge | a general discussion (2024 thread)
^ the above discussions are from the much larger ‘An Index of Relevant OriginalTrilogy•com Threads’ category, found below.
Also of interest may be:
Phil Tippett on the Special Editions: “They’re shit” + £2b for George to direct the Prequels (2021 thread)
^ it also features some of the hype, PR campaigns, merch and marketing for the Prequels, and reviews of the PT at the time and since.
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Don’t know if it has previously been posted elsewhere on this site , but here is a link to an article from Cinescape magazine speculating on the prequels in 1995 . Found on Reddit …https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/10vv3qk/cinescape_magazines_predictions_for_the_prequels/
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also , a Cinescape magazine from November of 97 ,after some of the actors had been cast ,but still full of speculations …found on the archive …https://archive.org/details/cinescape-11-97/page/42/mode/2up
very interesting how close to what ended up being Jango’s armor color scheme is on that cover !
Maybe someone will do an “info thread” for ‘the anticipation of the Prequel Trilogy films’, full of sources from the time?
• Introduction
• A quick note on ‘Canon’ (yep, I know…)
• Timelines: Story Events and Alterations
• Settings, Planets and Systems | Organisations and Governments
• The Jedi (as an Order Of Knights; their Way Of Life, the Force, Robes, Lightsabers etc)
• Characters and Biographies | Protagonists and Allies (including changes of persona or origin story)
• Characters and Biographies | Antagonists, Adversaries and their Allies (including changes of persona or origin story)
• Miscellaneous
• Blank Post (a spare post for possible future use; if ever required)
• A list of ‘Suggestions, Claims, Memories, and Posts’ on more pre-PT era material: to be checked and confirmed
• Index of Relevant OriginalTrilogy.com Threads
• Credits
Miscellaneous
This section features some relevant information that doesn’t really fit in with the other categories in the thread. Or includes some info having a loose connection or relevance to the topic of the pre-PT era, or even just some interesting titbits of material found when searching for pre-PT era content.
An Index for Miscellaneous:
‘Just some light hearted fun’; a completely unconnected category of content found whilst searching for pre-PT era content, below:
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_A_New_Hope_(novelization)
Splinter Of The Mind’s Eye - written as a low-budget sequel for if the 1977 Star Wars film flopped - was originally published in 1978.
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Splinter_of_the_Mind’s_Eye
‘Shatterpoint is a novel written by Matthew Stover. The first novel in the Clone Wars novel series and the first released in the Clone Wars multimedia project (2002-2007), it was originally published as a hardcover by Del Rey in June 2003. The paperback edition was published in April 2004, with a prologue by George Lucas and the short story ‘Equipment’, also written by Stover.’
^ wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Shatterpoint_(novel)
• George Lucas and the EU: evidence highlighting GL’s contributions to several EU projects - by xezene, on r/StarWarsEU
^ A collection of infographs and posts - with quotes and citations - chronicling George Lucas’ involvement in the Expanded Universe. As well as featuring an impressive array of intriguing and insightful information on the EU in general - by the actual creative talents.
• Lucasfilm’s claims on canon debunked - The 2008 Clone Wars messes up continuity or how Lucas is still destroying Star Wars
^ An info post chronicling George Lucas’ involvement & contributions with several EU projects (some considered part of his main saga story). This, despite Lucasfilm’s recent baffling attempts trying to downplay or even deny George’s input and contributions in the EU.
• Retcons to EU; Legends & Canon - The 2008 Clone Wars messes up continuity or how Lucas is still destroying Star Wars
^ Some retcons and alterations in 2008’s The Clone Wars - compared to previously established EU content and onscreen Star Wars history. It also contains links to articles on retcons & alterations made by Dave Filoni projects to other creatives’ work in the GFFA; the EU, Legends, Canon, Prequel Trilogy, 2003 Clone Wars, Rebels, Bad Batch, Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, Tales of the Jedi, & Ahsoka.
An insightful and informative overview of how ‘Episode II: Attack Of The Clones’ brought many new changes to the GFFA…
^ a 2022 article by Kevin Fox Jr., at Paste Magazine (www.pastemagazine.com). An archived back up of the article.
Deskplans Alliance website link: http://deckplans.00sf.com/Research/Prequel.html#Top
A screenshot:
Introduction
Episode I
Episode II
Episode III
Expanded Universe
Additional Notes
Sources
About Us
An archived backup of the website: https://archive.is/wA3OG
^ The above useful and comprehensively sourced web site was designed for Gamesmasters of the Star Wars Roleplaying Games, notably the West End Games editions. To aid them in highlighting the dissonance and inconsistencies between the Original Trilogy and the Prequel Trilogy, as well as the EU and the Prequel Trilogy. With Gamesmasters having the difficult role of maintaining continuity and history in their gaming campaigns, dating all the way back to the late 1990’s, although it may appeal to some on here too.
all credit and many thanks to Gandalf the Cyan for posting about the Deskplans Alliance website resource.
Charles Lippincott’s superb blog features a taped conversation between George Lucas, Charles Lippincott, and Alan Dean Foster, on 27th July 1976.
In it Lucas ponders Star Wars not being told through R2D2 and C3PO’s point of view, but from Chewbacca’s POV, to his family:-
Which as Lippincott states in the link below:-
Remind you of anything? The STAR WARS HOLIDAY SPECIAL, which, when I asked folks what they wanted me to write about, came up as the most favored topic… There are a lot of underground rivers which lead to the STAR WARS HOLIDAY SPECIAL. As you can see from this quote, it was an idea George had since 1976.
^ from http://therealcharleslippincott.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-alan-dean-foster-interviews.html
In the first Jedi Prince series of books, “The Lost City of The Jedi” (released in 1992); Ben Kenobi appears to Luke in a dream and gives him the code JE-99-DI-88-FOR-00-CE."
^ a screenshot from https://readstarwars.wordpress.com/2019/01/28/review-jedi-prince-the-lost-city-of-the-jedi-1992
wookieepedia page for the TLCoTJ book: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Lost_City_of_the_Jedi
It is probably the most 1990s thing in Star Wars! I typed this code in on a lot of Star Wars games at the time… hoping it would be useful (it wasn’t!). The Jedi really did need some better security codes 😃
Anja Gallandro, despite not being Force-sensitive, wielded an ancient yellow lightsaber and studied to be a Jedi at Luke Skywalker’s Jedi academy on Yavin 4. Similar to how Sabine was shown to be trained as a Jedi, despite not being force sensitive, in the 2023 live-action Ahsoka series.
Edit: ^ It turned out that Sabine was force sensitive later on in the Ahsoka series. A pity, that. The concept of a non-force sensitive character training as a Jedi seemed to be an intriguing one.
wookieepedia page for Anja Gallandro: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Anja_Gallandro
wookieepedia page for her 1st appearance: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Young_Jedi_Knights:_Return_to_Ord_Mantell
I saw this in another thread, but thought it could appeal to many in here:
Literally any fan speculation about the Clone Wars is likely to be cooler than what Lucas actually came up with in 2002.
Like everyone else, I imagined some awesome galactic conflict with massive clone armies controlled by distant alien factions trying to overthrow the Republic, along with clone-based subterfuge and political intrigue (cloning of Senators or Jedi - with some darker elements like cloned Jedi going insane).
I did not imagine that the clones were boring CGI Stormtroopers created under bullshit circumstances for the Republic to use at the last minute to fight some equally boring CGI robots as part of an under-explained civil war, and that every single clone was actually Boba Fett’s dad.
Anyway, pre-Prequel ideas about the Clone Wars always fascinated me because while many of these ideas are traceable to pre-1999 EU publications, some of these ideas are actually examples of pre-Internet “memes”. These were orally-communicated “memes” whose origin is forever lost to time, yet are somehow consistently known by many people of a certain age group across multiple regions/countries. These memes were spread on playgrounds, fan gatherings, and mail-based fan publications, in a way similar to how stories and myths were spread in pre-literate cultures. Similar to childhood songs that somehow every kid of a certain age knew (“Jingle Bells, Batman Smells”), the idea that Obi Wan Kenobi was actually OB-1 the clone is a pre-Internet meme that was remarkably wide-spread before the Internet, and remains well known to this day. Every Star Wars fan in the 80s and 90s somehow “knew a guy” that told them about this theory. (Of course it turned out to be false, and I’m glad, because it’s stupid.)
Below are some articles on this fan theory from at that time, something I always found kinda interesting: the fan theory from before the Prequels, and the web, that Obi Wan was a clone:OB-1 = ‘Original Body 1’
• Obi-Wan Kenobi is a Clone - at The Movie Blog
• Obi-Wan Kenobi is Actually OB1 Kenobi - at CBR
• Excuse me Mr. Kenobi, but was that Obi-Wan or OB1? - at Trailer Addict
• Star Wars’ Weirdest Fan Theory Concerned… Obi-Wan’s Name? - at CBR
• Star Wars Fan Theories Explained: Obi-Wan & Anakin Are Really Clones 0B-1 & NKN - at Looper
• Where did the ideas of Obi-Wan being a clone named OB-1 originate from? - reddit/RewritingThePrequels
A screenshot of a StarWarrior charter member / fan type section ($10 per year) of the 1977 Official Star Wars Poster Monthly:
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Official_Poster_Monthly
As an aside… George Lucas claiming the 6 Star Wars films “form the biography of Vader”… (aka GL’s oft-claimed post-PT ‘Star Wars has always been the tragedy of Darth Vader’) - but that he wasn’t aware of this “until 1998”…
A screenshot of a 2005 Vanity Fair article (February issue) promoting Revenge Of The Sith:-
…and yet in 2019 George claimed the reason why he made the Prequel Trilogy films was because the fans didn’t understand in the 10 years after Return Of The Jedi… that the backstory to the Original Trilogy was really “about the tragedy of Darth Vader”… something he himself stated he himself hadn’t realised “until 1998”… after he had already wrote and filmed TPM!
Sure George, sure…
A screenshot of the 2024 George Lucas made Star Wars prequels because fans “didn’t get” story - article at The Digital Bits:-
^ The 2019 SW•com article referenced above: www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-i-the-phantom-menace-oral-history
a once canon story on all the clone soldiers plotting against the Jedi before Order 66
From a time when the Clones were growing increasingly disenchanted with the Jedi for some time before Order 66, had already started working in secret behind the Jedis’ backs; even undergoing secret side missions on behalf of Chancellor Palpatine.
This was obviously before the clones’ story was later retconned in 2008’s The Clone Wars film and TV series to include the inhibitor chips. A decision to retcon the clones and perhaps portray them as unwitting victims, to humanize and personalize them for the 2008 film and series, as opposed to the above original storyline and lore, maybe?
The 501st Journals highlighted some of these clone actions against the Jedi, in the then canon 2005 Battlefront II video game:
'The 501st Journal was a compiled record of journal entries written by one or more retired members of the 501st Legion.
The entries summarized their most famous battles, captured the feelings of individual troopers, and traced the 501st from its origins in the Clone Wars to its development as “Vader’s Fist” during the Galactic Civil War.
The journal was kept as secret as the missions undertaken by the 501st; only after the fall of the Galactic Empire were the journals recovered.’
and
‘Temuera Morrison provides the voice for the narrator of every journal entry. In the game’s credits, the character is identified simply as “Retired clone trooper,” implying that he survived all of the battles above mentioned.’
^ from https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/501st_Journal & https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Battlefront_II
The 501’st Journal:
Star Wars Battlefront II (Classic) - 501st Journal (Full) HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWOq1Tg-Jdw - 18 minute video at the StereoLyrics Tracks YouTube channel.
This is the journal compiled together by a clone trooper from the 501st Legion in the game Star Wars Battlefront II.
The 501st Journals Told A Very Different Story About Order 66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZOH-Bw7nAg - 17 minute video at the Generation Tech YouTube channel.
Am I the only one that has a fundamental issue with Clones’ Inhibitor Chips? - 2023 thread by Kyp_Astaar talks more about this.
Republic Commando | Lucasfilm’s 2004-2009 EU multimedia project | lore retcon #2,378 - 2024 thread by me.
Just for some light hearted fun:
😉
^ Master Bayts [cough - wink - cough] (Soon Bayts) wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Soon_Bayts
‘Jedi Council: Acts of War 2’ wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jedi_Council:_Acts_of_War_2
^ When Palpatine revealed on screen what his true first name was: www.youtube.com/watch?v=QheFNbgnMgQ
• Introduction
• A quick note on ‘Canon’ (yep, I know…)
• Timelines: Story Events and Alterations
• Settings, Planets and Systems | Organisations and Governments
• The Jedi (as an Order Of Knights; their Way Of Life, the Force, Robes, Lightsabers etc)
• Characters and Biographies | Protagonists and Allies (including changes of persona or origin story)
• Characters and Biographies | Antagonists, Adversaries and their Allies (including changes of persona or origin story)
• Miscellaneous
• Blank Post (a spare post for possible future use; if ever required)
• A list of ‘Suggestions, Claims, Memories, and Posts’ on more pre-PT era material: to be checked and confirmed
• Index of Relevant OriginalTrilogy.com Threads
• Credits
Characters and Biographies | Antagonists, Adversaries, and their Allies
Index of Antagonists, Adversaries, and their Allies:
^ If anyone has any more information or material for the ‘Characters and Biographies’ section, please post them up.
From the Star Wars Marvel comics #68; the 1982 release of “The Search Begins”:
The story is during the search for Boba Fett and Han Solo after Empire Strikes Back, but characters recall events from The Clone Wars: including Leia fighting in them! The OT heroes split up to track down some bounty hunters:
'Of the three bounty hunters on their list, Princess Leia is assigned to hunt down Dengar, last seen on the planet Mandalore. Landing just outside the capital city of Kedalbe, Leia and C-3PO make their way on foot before encountering a caravan of individuals. To their surprise, the procession is a group of slavers, herding a group of enslaved Mandalorians. Before Leia and C-3PO can sneak away, the caravan comes under attack by a group of Mandalorian soldiers led by what looks to be, Boba Fett.
During the battle, Leia ends up saving “Fett” from a slaver’s attack, and is shocked to find herself fighting by the Mandalorian’s side. Following the end of the battle, the Mandalorian leader introduces himself to Leia. He is not actually Boba Fett, but another Mandalorian named Fenn Shysa. Shysa brings Leia and C-3PO back to his base and explains to her how he has spent the past few years trying to free his people from the Galactic Empire’s influence in the aftermath of the Clone Wars.
Shysa then tells Leia of his role in the Clone Wars, claiming that he fought for the Empire, was led into battle by Boba Fett, and even became acquainted with Leia during briefing missions. Shysa finishes his tale by telling Leia that of all the Mandalorian Protectors, only three survived, his commander, his childhood friend, Tobbi Dala, and himself.’
^ from the wookieepedia page for Star Wars Marvel comic #68: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_(1977)_68
Firsts and Other Notables:
'This issue introduces Fenn Shysa, a Mandalorian wearing Boba Fett-like armor. He will appear again next issue and then a few more times post-Return of the Jedi, and like Shira Brie, he is one of the few original characters from this series to survive into the later Expanded Universe, being mentioned in at least one Dark Horse issue, a few of the novels, and having some of his backstory and history reflected in the various non-fiction guides.
Along with Shysa, this issue introduces the planet Mandalore, along with the concept that it is the home to a group of supercommandoes all wearing Fett-like armor, explicitly making Boba Fett a Mandalorian as a result, all elements leftover from early drafts of the Empire Strikes Back script adopted here.
In addition to learning Boba Fett is from Mandalore, through Shysa, this issue also provides some backstory for Boba Fett, saying he was the commander of the Mandalorian Protectors who fought alongside the Empire during the Clone Wars, before becoming disillusioned and striking out on his own as bounty hunter.’
In general:
'Along with Shysa, this issue introduces the planet Mandalore, along with the concept that it is the home to a group of supercommandoes all wearing Fett-like armor, explicitly making Boba Fett a Mandalorian as a result, all elements leftover from early drafts of the Empire Strikes Back script adopted here.
In addition to learning Boba Fett is from Mandalore, through Shysa, this issue also provides some backstory for Boba Fett, saying he was the commander of the Mandalorian Protectors who fought alongside the Empire during the Clone Wars, before becoming disillusioned and striking out on his own as bounty hunter.
And much of Mandalore’s depiction here, in which it is a generally jungle world, will be overwritten by appearances in Clone Wars and Rebels episodes, where it appears as a more open, windswept planet doted by urban centers.’
^ from the ‘Force in Focus: Star Wars #68’: www.therealgentlemenofleisure.com/2017/08/force-in-focus-star-wars-68.html
‘(LORE) Attack of the Legends - Boba Fett’ - a 35 minute video at the Saintmillion YouTube channel.
^ The first 12 minutes of the video covers the pre-PT era lore of Boba (before he was made a clone in Episode II: AOTC).
Video Description: ‘A deep dive into the lore of Boba Fett from 1990 to 2014. Be sure to subscribe and click the bell for more Legends Lore, Star Wars content, and more!’
^ from the 1980 ‘The Empire Strikes Back’ Novelization - www.bobafettfanclub.com/fettpedia/quotes/69
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Empire_Strikes_Back_(novelization)
a screenshot of the more complete description from Chapter 9 of ‘The Empire Strikes Back’ novelization:
Boba Fett’s ORIGINAL Backstory Before the Prequels | Star Wars Legends Lore - 7 minute video from EckhartsLadder (2017)
Video Description: ‘Before the Star Wars Prequels, and the revelation that Boba Fett is a clone of his father, Jango Fett, the Star Wars Legends Expanded Universe had a created backstory for the galaxy’s most famous bounty hunter. Where did Boba Fett come from? Was he always intended to be a Mandalorian? Was he always a clone? Find out on today’s Star Wars Lore Episode which examines the Star Wars Tales of the Bounty Hunters Short Stories Collection.’
In the Dark Empire II comics, by Tom Veitch, Boba was an Imperial stormtrooper who murdered his superior officer:
^ wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Dark_Empire_II
The 1996 ‘Tales of the Bounty Hunters’ anthology book revealed that Boba Fett was Jaster Mereel, in Daniel Keys Moran’s ‘The Last One Standing: The Tale of Boba Fett’ story.
Tales of the Bounty Hunters wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_the_Bounty_Hunters
wookieepedia page for ‘TLOS: TToBF’: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Last_One_Standing:_The_Tale_of_Boba_Fett
Jaster Mereel wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jaster_Mereel
Daniel Keys Moran - “The Last One Standing: The Tale of Boba Fett” author and inventor of “Jaster Mereel” overview:
www.bobafettfanclub.com/fettpedia/daniel-keys-moran
Exclusive Interview with Daniel Keys Moran, the Author Behind Boba Fett’s Honor - Part 1; at The Boba Fett Fan Club
Exclusive Interview with Daniel Keys Moran, the Author Behind Boba Fett’s Honor - Part 2; at The Boba Fett Fan Club
^ a screenshot from: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Last_One_Standing:_The_Tale_of_Boba_Fett#Continuity
‘Atha Prime, an egotistical genetics master and ruler of the “dark worlds,” was one of the architects of the Clone Wars’
‘A genetics master and ruler of the dark worlds, was an arbiter of the Clone Wars and a co-conspirator of Grand Moff Tarkin’s. He was exiled to the fringes of the galaxy by Palpatine, although the Emperor’s death in 4 ABY allowed Prime to return to the galaxy and begin a campaign of conquest.’
Although he was created after the ROTJ to be part of a new storyline with the aim of selling toys and merchandise, he origin story does have him as one of architects of the the Clone Wars, efforts have been made to include the character in other material since, so has been included in here, too.
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Atha_Prime
^ wookieepedia page for Clone Masters (Legends): https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clone_Master/Legends
Spaarti cloning cylinders, as used in the Clone Wars, to breed large numbers of clones and clone warriors. Some cylinders being found and stored away in secret by the Emperor, with Thrawn trying build an army of clones to fight the Republic in the years after the Emperor’s death:
^ wookieepedia page for Spaarti cloning cylinders: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Spaarti_cloning_cylinder
^ an image of Atha Prime’s Clone Warriors in battle armour
The Clone Wars had ravaged and devastated the galaxy according to those who were old enough, and fortunate enough, to have lived through them. Or those that knew of the horrors new Clone Wars would bring. A selection of accounts and recollections that appeared in Timothy Zahn’s ‘Heir To The Empire’ trilogy of books, set in 9ABY (released 1991-1993):
and also…
'If a clone was grown too quickly, the clone’s mind would begin to deteriorate, leading to psychosis. The shortest time to normally grow a clone was one standard year, and between three and five years was considered necessary to prevent the risk.
The reason for clone madness was a debated issue. Some scientists believed that it was because the body was grown too quickly, and the brain being fed information could not handle the amount of data at such a rate. Others believed that it was due to a “double presence” the clone caused in the Force.’
^ from the wookieepedia page on Clone Madness: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clone_madness
^ wookieepedia page for the Bpfasshi: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bpfasshi/Legends
^ from Chapter 9 of Timothy Zahn’s 1991 ‘Heir To Empire’ book (aka part one of ‘The Thrawn Trilogy’).
more background information on Dark Jedi and the Bbfasshi: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bpfassh
& https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Jedi/Legends & https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bpfasshi_Dark_Jedi_leader
^ A screenshot on the ‘Bpfassh’ section of the ‘A Guide To The Star Wars Universe’ book, 2nd edition (1994):-
A quick note on “Dark Jedi”:
^ a screenshot from the wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Jedi/Legends#Behind_the_scenes
Note: Leland Chee’s quotes in the screenshot above come from 2007 and 2005 respectively.
^ A screenshot on the ‘Anakin Skywalker’ section of ‘A Guide To The Star Wars Universe’ book, 2nd edition (1994):-
^ and from the same ‘A Guide To The Star Wars Universe’ book, 2nd edition (1994), on ‘Darth Vader’:-
Obi Wan tells Luke that “when you father left, he didn’t know your mother was pregnant”; in the 1983 Return Of The Jedi novelization, by James Khan:
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Return_of_the_Jedi_(novelization)
Darth Vader, his wife, and baby Luke:
^ by Brian Ashmore, in 1993.
Painted for Topps’ Star Wars Galaxy 2 card set: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/1994_Topps_Star_Wars_Galaxy_Series_2
more info (+ Brian Ashmore’s take on the image from 2008): https://clubjade.net/the-first-image-of-padme-and-anakin-from-1993
“There are a couple things that I find interesting about the image. First, my depiction of Padme (I had no idea of her name at the time… this was 6 years before Episode 1) looks a bit like Natalie Portman. Second, Anakin’s shadow on the wall is in the shape of Darth Vader. I’ve always wondered if this image might have influenced Lucas even just a little tiny bit in his casting of Natalie Portman or even the decision to have little Anakin’s shadow be in the shape of Darth Vader in an early Episode 1 promo poster. Probably not, but I can dream. Can’t I?”
^ from ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book, by JW Rinzler, on Page 352.
^ from ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book, by JW Rinzler, on Page 352.
Charles Lippincott’s superb blog features this taped conversation between George Lucas, Charles Lippincott, and Alan Dean Foster, on 27th July 1976 - on Darth Vader originally being one of many Dark Lords, then George Lucas eventually deciding just to make Vader the only one:-
^ from http://therealcharleslippincott.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-alan-dean-foster-interviews.html
From the Revenge of the Jedi story conference, in 1981, regarding how Lucas originally saw the difference between Anakin and Obi-Wan’s ages, and how Anakin Skywalker will look upon being unmasked:
Marquand: “He’s as old as Alec, isn’t he?”
Lucas: “He’s not as old as Alec.”
Marquand: “But visually?”
Lucas: “Visually, he is close.”
Also from the Revenge Of The Jedi 1981 story conference, George Lucas states the following:
^ a screenshot from George Lucas’ Original Plan For The STAR WARS Prequel Trilogy article at Film Buff Online.
In the 1977 ‘George Lucas: The Wizard of Star Wars’ interview with George Lucas, for Rolling Stone magazine, George explains why Vader breathes so heavily:
For those interested in content featuring Anakin and Vader as being separate characters:-
(as they were until George’s famous retcon in 1978 after the 1st draft of Empire Strikes Back where he merged the two together)
‘Star Wars Annual 1’ - The Long Hunt - published in 1979:
‘In this issue Aragh says that, during the Clone Wars, Obi-Wan Kenobi and two of his students saved Skye from destruction. He said one student was Darth Vader and the other he identified by saying Luke wore his lightsaber, implying it was Luke’s father.’
^ wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Annual_(1977)_1
From the ‘Star Wars novelisation’ in 1976 - Prologue written by George Lucas…
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_A_New_Hope_(novelization)
Charles Lippincott’s superb blog seemingly points out the exact moment when Lucas junked the ideas of a gradual decline of the Republic and having multiple Emperors, replacing this with the idea of a single evil mastermind. From a taped conversation between George Lucas, Charles Lippincott, and Alan Dean Foster, on 27th July 1976:-
^ from http://therealcharleslippincott.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-alan-dean-foster-interviews.html
Also from the same conversation as featured in Charles Lippincott’s blog - an overview on the President decided he’d rather be called Emperor - and the Republic eventually becoming the Empire:
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^ from ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book, by JW Rinzler, on Page 352.
From a time when Palpatine was just an evil politician…
‘“[The Emperor] was a politician. Richard M. Nixon was his name. He subverted the senate and finally took over and became an imperial guy and he was really evil. But he pretended to be a really nice guy.” - George Lucas, #ReturnOfTheJedi story conference, July 1981’
^ from https://twitter.com/PhilSzostak/status/1178235806919454721 (Phil Szostak is Lucasfilm creative art manager)
A screenshot from the above tweet by Phil Szostak - from Page 180 of JW Rinzler’s ‘The Making of Return of the Jedi’ book:
^ A screenshot of the ‘Palpatine’ section of the 1994 book: ‘A Guide To The Star Wars Universe’, 2nd edition:-
When Palpatine was not a Sith - and Vader was ‘The Dark Lord Of The Sith’ (from before the Episode III: ROTS):
I do think Palpatine was intended to be a Sith, though. Once the Sith and the concept of Sith Lords existed, I’m fairly certain that Vader and Palpatine were integrated into it.
Little doubt this is what Lucas intended, but it’s a factoid he apparently kept close to his chest, because Palpatine wasn’t characterized as a Sith in the pre-1999 EU. Darth Vader was characterized as THE Dark Lord of the Sith during the time of the Empire, and as per Tales of the Jedi, only the reigning Sith lord held the “Dark Lord” title. And Empire’s End excluded Palpatine from the Sith hierarchy.
The Sith spirits were gracious enough to make Palpatine an honorary Dark Lord in lieu of Vader, but that Vader had a throne set up for him in their mausoleum while Palpatine didn’t speaks volumes.
^ wookieepedia page for Empire’s End (Dark Empire III): https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Empire’s_End (1995)
The first confirmation of Palpatine being a Sith in official Star Wats material occurred in July of 2000 - in the Star Wars Customizable Card Game’s ‘Death Star II’ set cards:
‘The Death Star II Limited set is the eighth full expansion set of the Star Wars Customizable Card Game, a card game based on the Star Wars universe. It consists of 182 cards (91 Dark Side and 91 Light Side cards) and was introduced in July of 2000. This set consists of 2 ultra-rare, 2 exclusive rare, 78 rare, 50 uncommon, and 50 common cards. This set introduced many of the classic characters from Star Wars: Episode VI Return of the Jedi that were involved with the events surrounding the Death Star II and the Battle of Endor.’
^ from this wookiepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Death_Star_II_Limited
Palpatine’s Original, Dark Backstories (from BEFORE the PREQUELS) - 10 minute video from EckhartsLadder (2020)
Video Description: ‘We cover the original dark backstories of Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars Legends from BEFORE the release of the Prequels.’
Cos Dashit - the original name for the character who became Sheev Palpatine:
wookieepedia page for Cos Dashit: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Cos_Dashit
Starkiller: The Jedi Bendu Script Site - for various early drafts of the first 6 main Star Wars films:
www.starwarz.com/starkiller/category/star-wars-scripts/star-wars-star-wars-scripts
On Page 38 of the 1993 West End Games sourcebook for Dark Empire, by Michael Allen Horne, there is reference to Palpatine being a ‘Jedi Master’ (screenshot below).
Although this labelling of Palpatine as a ‘Jedi Master’ does seem to be as part of a categorization for the role playing game itself, and not part of a backstory where Palpatine was actually once a Jedi Master himself (unless any other sources also have him listed as a Jedi Master).
wookieepedia page for the Dark Empire sourcebook: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Empire_Sourcebook
Gilad Pellaeon stated the following 5 years after the events of The Battle Of Endor / Return Of The Jedi:
(from Chapter 1 of the ‘Heir to the Empire’ book by Timothy Zahn)
wookieepedia page for Heir To The Empire: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Heir_to_the_Empire
wookieepedia page for Gilad Pellaeon: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gilad_Pellaeon/Legends
^ A screenshot on the ‘Gilad Pallaeon’ section of ‘A Guide To The Star Wars Universe’ book, 2nd edition (1994):-
The Legend of Gilad Pellaeon - Star Wars Explained
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqsx307tVqE - a 2 minute video from the Star Wars Explained YouTube channel, in 2016.
^ A screenshot of the ‘Tarkin’ section of the 1994 book: ‘A Guide To The Star Wars Universe’, 2nd edition:-
^ an abridged image detailing the Ghorman Massacre, in Mon Mothma’s “A Call To Reason” - from ‘The Farlander Papers’.
(see Categories #10 & 11 of in this thread’s ‘Settings, Planets and Systems | Organisations and Governments’ category)
‘How Tarkin Fueled a Rebellion - The Ghorman Massacre’
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X3GQvMxga4 - a 5 minute YouTube video at Corey’s Datapad
“The Tarkin Doctrine”:
^ Pages 14 & 15 of 1989’s ‘The Imperial Sourcebook’
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_Sourcebook
Tarkin wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wilhuff_Tarkin/Legends
Joruus C’baoth, the insane clone of a dark jedi.
From the ‘Heir To The Empire’ trilogy by Timothy Zahn.
He is mentioned here… because what happened to Joruus C’baoth is very similar to what happened to many other Clones from the Clone Wars era, in regards to the ‘clone insanity’ they suffered from when clones were grown too quickly.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Joruus_C'baoth & https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clone_madness
^ A screenshot of the ‘Joruus C’baoth’ section of the 1994 book: ‘A Guide To The Star Wars Universe’, 2nd edition:-
From the Original Trilogy vs The Prequels: inconsistencies, retcons, plot holes and discrepancies (50+ issues) thread; Cat #51:
51. / Bonus: Stormtroopers were originally clones in the Original Trilogy…
Something a little different to the other categories… and just a little reminder that stormtroopers were originally clones in the Original Trilogy - until later being retconned as otherwise by George Lucas some 30 years later…
In January 1978, the ‘Star Wars Official Poster Magazine #4’, published by Galaxy Publications Ltd in the UK, featured a lengthy and detailed article entitled ‘Soldiers Of The Empire’, by Anthony Fredrickson. It detailed the training and organization of the Stormtroopers, and was apparently the first source to reveal the fact that stormtroopers were clones. It states:-
"The creation of an Imperial Stormtrooper. A cloned man is one of a group of genetically identical humans, an assembly-line product. He is a thinking man, but he serves a specific purpose and no other. A Clone has no mother; only his trainers, and he accepts his fate because he believes it is inevitable. A Clone is, physically and emotionally, a normal man. He simply has no human rights and no name. He is the property of the Emperor. Soldiers fully formed in the growth tanks quickly proved impractical. Scientists found themselves the befuddled fathers of 12-stone blubbering idiots. A foetus is now removed from the hatchery after a gestation period of 60 weeks and is delivered immediately into the hands of its trainers.
A screenshot of the ‘Soldiers Of The Empire’ article:-
^ _or click here for the full size version - https://i.imgur.com/EdhcP4s.jpg_
Also, Adam Bray, the author of the official Star Wars resource book ‘Stormtroopers: Beyond the Armor’ (a comprehensive resource on stormtroopers both in the Star Wars universe and in the real world) states:-
“I was surprised how much influence Hasbro has had on recent Star Wars animation, from initiating Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars series, to the classic Kenner action figures as inspiration for the character designs in Star Wars Rebels. I was also fascinated how George Lucas’ ideas about who stormtroopers were actually changed over time. It wasn’t until he began conceptualizing a Star Wars TV show that Lucas decided the stormtroopers would be normal humans rather than clones.”
^ from www.starwars.com/news/how-stormtroopers-beyond-the-armor-celebrates-the-empires-soldiers (2018 article)
The above also give some more credence to Leia’s line in Star Wars '77 of: “Aren’t you a little short for a stormtrooper?” with Leia’s expressing surprise at Luke coming up a little on the short side… compared to his other taller supposed clone counterparts.
As clones… they don’t all have to have the same voice - or have derived from the same genetic source - though George did do exactly this for the Prequel Trilogy… with Boba Fett’s father, Jango, as the sole genetic source used for Clone Troopers.
The stormtrooper head bump…
Stormtrooper bumps his head in Star Wars '77 : www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBQaLuqwtl8 (a 17 second video clip)
Jango bumps his head in Attack Of The Clones : www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjK_JFwTOWE (a 25 second video clip)
^ In the audio commentary for the Attack Of The Clones DVD, George Lucas talks about the backstory of Boba and Jango…
“It wasn’t until I started working on this script that I decided to make Boba the son of the original clone. Before, he was just another clone who was, for whatever reason, had sort of broken loose from the stormtroopers. I didn’t really go into detail at that point, even in my mind, or in the backstory… other than they were connected. But early on the stormtroopers were meant to be clones.”
^ www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0NyOcE4z10 (at 14 mins and 40 secs into this video of the George Lucas commentary for AOTC)
the commentary then continues… and George later talks about him having Jango bump his head on the door of Slave I:-
“You know, throughout as we go through the movie there’s all these little funny moments… like Jango bumping his head… because in Star Wars (1977) one of the stormtroopers bumps in head on the door as they leave the control room on the Death Star. And I thought wouldn’t it be funny if… that’s a trait Jango has… when he put his helmet and everything, he can’t really see that well… so he is constantly bumping his head… and that trait gets cloned into all the stormtroopers. That’s why they keep bumping their heads.”
^ www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0NyOcE4z10 (at 21 mins and 35 secs into this video of the George Lucas commentary for AOTC)
Sources:-
https://archive.org/details/LT12P0207 - an audio reading of the ‘Soldiers Of The Empire’, by Anthony Fredrickson. Read by Tim McMahon, of the ‘Less Than 12 Parsecs - #0207’ podcast.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Soldiers_of_the_Empire! & https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Official_Poster_Monthly_4
http://eclectorama.blogspot.com/2007/07/many-proud-clones.html
www.starwars.com/news/how-stormtroopers-beyond-the-armor-celebrates-the-empires-soldiers
^ all credit to screamsinthevoid’s post below for the heads-up on stormtroopers originally being clones
• Introduction
• A quick note on ‘Canon’ (yep, I know…)
• Timelines: Story Events and Alterations
• Settings, Planets and Systems | Organisations and Governments
• The Jedi (as an Order Of Knights; their Way Of Life, the Force, Robes, Lightsabers etc)
• Characters and Biographies | Protagonists and Allies (including changes of persona or origin story)
• Characters and Biographies | Antagonists, Adversaries and their Allies (including changes of persona or origin story)
• Miscellaneous
• Blank Post (a spare post for possible future use; if ever required)
• A list of ‘Suggestions, Claims, Memories, and Posts’ on more pre-PT era material: to be checked and confirmed
• Index of Relevant OriginalTrilogy.com Threads
• Credits
Characters and Biographies | Protagonists & Allies
Index of Individual Characters:
^ If anyone has any more information or material for the ‘Characters and Biographies’ section, please post them up.
There is a separate category for the Jedi; as a group, or an order of knights, above.
‘Kenner’s 1997 12" Action Figure of C-3PO, from their Star Wars Collector Series’
"With his prissy-manner and compulsive odds-quoting, C-3PO is one of the most famous droids in the galaxy! A Cybot Galactica 3PO Human Cyborg Relations Droid, Threepio was activated 112 years before his adventures with the Alliance.
Threepio is outfitted with a TranLang Communication module which allows him to be fluent in over 6 million galactic languages. They range from common dialects to more obscure and archaic languages from forgotten systems. Fitted with personality modules, this droid experiences emotions and feelings similar to those of a human who could very well lend to the fact that he takes unusual pleasure in worrying, complaining and whining!
Both he and R2-D2, the most famous droid duo this side of the galaxy, came into galactic prominence completely by mistake.
They were owned by the Royal House of Alderaan and ordered to restrict and protect all references to Princess Leia. During an attack by the Imperials, Leia places stolen Imperial data inside R2-D2 and then ordered him to find Obi-Wan Kenobi and bring him back to Alderaan. While laser fire was erupting around them, R2-D2 jumped into an escape pod and the fussy mother hen-like Threeepio hopped in alongside. Landing on the planet of Tatooine, they were sold to the Lars homestead. Soon after, they met their new master, young Luke Skywalker. From then on, the adventures were the most exciting both droids had ever experienced.
Because Threepio has never been through a memory wipe, he has acquired much wisdom and insight, and has become an integral part of the Alliance. He is a constant presence at the side of Princess Leia acting as an essential part in negotiations and truce-makings.
Authentically styled straight from Star Wars, this special edition, fully poseable, 12" C-3PO, available for the first time ever, is destined to become a classic collectible."
More images and info: https://geekbodega.com/products/c-3po-star-wars-collector-series-kenner-1997-12-action-figure
^ ‘The Essential Guide to Droids’ book, from 1999 - https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Essential_Guide_to_Droids
^ from ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book, by JW Rinzler, on Page 351.
From ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book, by JW Rinzler, on Page 352:
^ ‘1980 Topps Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back Series 1’: Yoda listed as 973 years old
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/1980_Topps_Star_Wars:_The_Empire_Strikes_Back_Series_1
^ ‘1996 Topps Star Wars Finest: #38 - Yoda’:
Yoda chilling out with some other Jedi Force Ghosts friends who have to visit (obviously before Qui-Gon became the first Jedi to learn this power/ability in Episode III: ROTS)
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/1996_Topps_Star_Wars_Finest
In the 1994 novel ‘Jedi Search’, by Kevin J. Anderson, Leia infers that Dagobah had been Yoda’s home for centuries:
wookieepedia for the Jedi Search novel: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jedi_Search#Continuity
A screenshot from Chapter 24 of Jedi Search; where Leia considers Dagobah for a possible Jedi Academy, stating that:
“What about Dagobah itself? she thought, putting a fingertip on her lower lip. The swamps had hidden Yoda for centuries”
In the official 1983 Return of the Jedi novelization, by James Kahn, Ben Kenobi tells Luke that Owen was his own brother:
In the official licensed 1995 Premiere Limited set of the Star Wars Customizable Card Game, released by Decipher, it is stated that Owen Lars is the “brother of Obi-Wan Kenobi”:
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Premiere_Limited & https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Owen_(Kenobi)
^ ‘The Essential Guide to Characters’ book, 1995 - https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Essential_Guide_to_Characters
^ A screenshot on the ‘Obi Wan Kenobi’ section of the useful resource ‘Lost Episodes’ website, via Archive•.com:-
https://web.archive.org/web/20060509041453/http://lostepisodes.fateback.com/prequels/obiwan.html
and…
‘The first Prequel era story’ (w/ Obi Wan): See Cat #1 of Settings, Planets and Systems | Organisations and Governments
^ more info: “Star Wars (1977) comic #24”, published in 1979 - https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_(1977)_24
The following screenshot highlights the subtle differences in conversations; about or with Obi Wan Kenobi - from the 1977 film - differences between the movie, the 1976 film novelization, the 1977 comic, and the 1981 radio play:
^ from ‘Appendix’ of ‘May The Source Be With You: Extended Edition’ article at andrewrilstone•com
A screenshot of a Ben Kenobi biography from the “Heroes & Villains” section of the 1977 Official Star Wars Poster Monthly:
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Official_Poster_Monthly
In Chapter 3 of James Kahn’s 1983 novelization of Return Of The Jedi, Obi Wan tells Luke of his fight against Vader, with Vader falling into “a molten pit”, all those years ago:
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Return_of_the_Jedi_(novelization)
A younger Obi Wan Kenobi:
^ by Hugh Fleming, in 1994.
Painted for Topps’ Star Wars Galaxy 2 card set: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/1994_Topps_Star_Wars_Galaxy_Series_2
more info: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Hugh_Fleming
Fleming describes additional inspiration for his painting on the card’s back:
“I beg of you, George, don’t succumb to inevitable studio demands that Steven Seagal play young Obi-Wan in the next trilogy…” frets Australian illustrator Hugh Fleming. “My vote is with actor/director Kenneth Branagh, the only performer with the dignity and presence to fill Sir Alec Guinness’ Jedi robes.”
'Halagad Ventor was a male Human Jedi Knight who was trained at an unusually late age, due to the fact that he was passed over for training initially during his childhood on Alderaan. Jedi Master Everen Ettene eventually agreed to take him as a Padawan at the Almas Academy. Since the nature of his training was unnatural, Ventor’s actions as a Jedi were considered unorthodox, and he neglected the more subtle aspects of the Force.
Ventor served as a Jedi General during the Clone Wars, and was a recipient of the Medallion of Honor. Under the leadership of Obi-Wan Kenobi, he helped liberate the planet Skye from Zeta Magnus, a genetic terrorist, during which time he engaged in a Concordance of Fealty with Anakin Skywalker. Later in the Outer Rim Sieges, Ventor commanded a team which included Sha Koon assisting to purge the Confederacy of Independent Systems from the planet Bal’demnic.
Surviving Order 66, Ventor teamed up with Jedi Master Ashka Boda to establish a network of fellow surviving Jedi. He was soon captured by the new Galactic Empire and interrogated by former protege, Darth Vader. Ventor was forced to reveal the secret location of his hidden Jedi network. He eventually escaped Vader and fled to Trinta, where madness and the dark side of the Force consumed him.’
^ from the wookieepedia page https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Halagad_Ventor
‘Domain of Evil is an adventure supplement for Star Wars: The Roleplaying Game published by West End Games. It was written by Jim Bambra and published in 1991. It was republished in Classic Adventures: Volume Two. It is perhaps most notable for introducing Halagad Ventor.’
^ wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Domain_of_Evil
“Halagad” is an anagram of “Galahad” - one of the more famous Knights of the Round Table at King Arthur’s Court.
‘The name of Tan originated with Russ Manning, a Star Wars writer and illustrator who published numerous black-and-white newspaper comic strips in the late 1970s and early 1980s. In one 1978 series of strips that was later titled The Constancia Affair, Luke Skywalker’s parents were called “Master and Mistress Tan Skywalker.” The name “Anakin” was only revealed in the 1983 movie Return of the Jedi, five years after the release of The Constantia Affair.’
^ wookieepedia page for Tan Skywalker: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tan_(title)#Behind_the_scenes
wookieepedia page for ‘The Constancia Affair’ comic strip: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Constancia_Affair
^ from 'The Official Star Wars Fact File in 2001: an official Star Wars website article publicising them (via Archive):
https://web.archive.org/web/20050209010448/https://www.starwars.com/eu/lit/ref/news20010317.html
Also see Cat. #10 & #11 below on Mon Mothma’s “A Call To Reason” manifesto and information from ‘The Farlander Papers’ in the ‘Settings, Planets and Systems | Organisations and Governments’ section.
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mon_Mothma/Legends
^ A screenshot of the ‘Bail Organa’ section of the 1994 book: ‘A Guide To The Star Wars Universe’, 2nd edition.
^ and from the same 1994 book: ‘A Guide To The Star Wars Universe’, 2nd edition, on Aldreraan:-
Bail’s original first name was “Prestor”, the name used in the 1981 Star Wars radio play, and was voiced by actor Stephen Elliott:
^ wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_(radio_series)
How Star Wars has depicted the rise of the Rebel Alliance through the years - article at Polygon (in ‘The Rebellion’s Origin On Radio’ section)
Obi Wan Kenobi served under Bail Organa in the Clone Wars. Leia’s holo message: www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N_Cj3ZS9-A
^ Mon Mothma and Bail Organa on ‘The Birth Of The Rebellion’. From Page 9 of the ‘Rebel Alliance Sourcebook’
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Rebel_Alliance_Sourcebook_(Second_Edition)
Star Wars Universe Wiki: https://starwars-universe.fandom.com/wiki/Bail_Organa
wookieepedia page for Bail Organa: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bail_Prestor_Organa/Legends
wookieepedia page for Bail Organa’s office: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bail_Prestor_Organa’s_office_(Aldera)
From Pages 24-26 of the “Star Wars: The Essential Chronology” book (2000 edition), by Kevin J. Anderson and Daniel Wallace:
^ wookieepedia page https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Essential_Chronology_(real-world_book)
The book is from 2000, and while it does contain events from The Phantom Menace, it obviously doesn’t contain the timelines, events and characters from the other two PT films.
The screenshot above also mentions Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, and Garm Bel Iblis of Corellia; the third Rebellion co-founder (the three main revolutionary groups coming together to work as one; the 3 signatories of Alliance to Restore The Republic), and Garm somehow being a character I often forget about.
A fan theory on Garm Bel Iblis maybe appearing in Andor’s 2nd season (and that we may have already seen him in the 1st season of Andor?):
www.inverse.com/entertainment/andor-luthen-fate
wookieepedia page for Garm Bel Iblis: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Garm_Bel_Iblis/Legends
‘GARM BEL IBLIS Character Entry | Star Wars Legends Lore’
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnHrFztYvb8 - 11 minute YouTube video at Corey’s Datapad
A screenshot of the 2000 ‘A Guide to the Star Wars Universe, Third Edition, Revised and Expanded’ book:
^ wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/A_Guide_to_the_Star_Wars_Universe,_Third_Edition,_Revised_and_Expanded
A screenshot of the 1995 ‘The Essential Guide to Characters’ book:
^ wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Essential_Guide_to_Characters
From the Star Wars Marvel comics; the 1982 release of “The Search Begins”:
^ wookieepedia page for Star Wars Marvel comic #68: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_(1977)_68
The story is during the search for Boba Fett and Han Solo after Empire Strikes Back, but characters recall events from The Clone Wars: including Leia fighting in them! The OT heroes split up to track down some bounty hunters:
'Of the three bounty hunters on their list, Princess Leia is assigned to hunt down Dengar, last seen on the planet Mandalore. Landing just outside the capital city of Kedalbe, Leia and C-3PO make their way on foot before encountering a caravan of individuals. To their surprise, the procession is a group of slavers, herding a group of enslaved Mandalorians. Before Leia and C-3PO can sneak away, the caravan comes under attack by a group of Mandalorian soldiers led by what looks to be, Boba Fett. During the battle, Leia ends up saving “Fett” from a slaver’s attack, and is shocked to find herself fighting by the Mandalorian’s side.
Following the end of the battle, the Mandalorian leader introduces himself to Leia. He is not actually Boba Fett, but another Mandalorian named Fenn Shysa. Shysa brings Leia and C-3PO back to his base and explains to her how he has spent the past few years trying to free his people from the Galactic Empire’s influence in the aftermath of the Clone Wars. Shysa then tells Leia of his role in the Clone Wars, claiming that he fought for the Empire, was led into battle by Boba Fett, and even became acquainted with Leia during briefing missions. Shysa finishes his tale by telling Leia that of all the Mandalorian Protectors, only three survived, his commander, his childhood friend, Tobbi Dala, and himself.’
www.bobafettfanclub.com/bounty/books/comics/sw_68 & www.therealgentlemenofleisure.com/2017/08/force-in-focus-star-wars-68.html
^ 'This issue introduces the planet Mandalore. Along with Shysa, this issue introduces the planet Mandalore, along with the concept that it is the home to a group of supercommandoes all wearing Fett-like armor, explicitly making Boba Fett a Mandalorian as a result, elements leftover from early drafts of the Empire Strikes Back script adopted here.
In addition to learning Boba Fett is from Mandalore, through Shysa, this issue also provides some backstory for Boba Fett, saying he was the commander of the Mandalorian Protectors who fought alongside the Empire during the Clone Wars, before becoming disillusioned and striking out on his own as bounty hunter.’
Leia also had brothers - at least two of them; presumed killed on Alderaan along with her parents:
^ From ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book, by JW Rinzler, on Page 353:
Leia being the Mal’ary’ush, and learning of Vader’s cruel deception on the Noghri during the Clone Wars, in 35 BBY:
In 9 ABY Leia finds that during the Clone Wars, some 44 years ago, Vader & Palpatine poisoned the planet of Honoghr. Then lied to it’s Noghri inhabitants, that the Republic was responsible; making them sworn enemies, keeping them in virtual slavery & servitude since.
^ from the ‘Dark Force Rising’ comic - Issue #5, in 1997: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Force_Rising_5
'Mal’ary’ush was Honoghran for ‘Daughter of the Savior’. The Savior in question was Darth Vader, whom the Noghri people revered. Years earlier, a starship carrying noxious chemicals crashed on Honoghr and threatened to destroy the entire planet. They believed Emperor Palpatine sent Vader to the planet to help them, but in reality Palpatine was responsible for the devastation of Honoghr, as a way to bend their allegiance to the Galactic Empire.
The daughter was Leia Organa Solo, who years later would find herself at the mercy of the Noghri people in the Republic’s battle against their new master, Grand Admiral Thrawn. However, one Noghri, Khabarakh, through the use of the sense of smell inherent to the Noghri—acute enough to smell even one’s bloodline—discovered she was the daughter of Vader and pledged to help her escape Imperial custody. Later, Leia would reveal the treachery of Palpatine to the Noghri, which emboldened them to finally break their allegiance to the Galactic Empire.’
From Chapter 24 of the ‘Dark Force Rising’ book:
‘Leia put her hand against the smooth wood of the genealogy chart, her knees suddenly feeling weak with shock. Forty-four years. Not the five or eight or even ten that she’d assumed. Forty-four. “It didn’t happen during the Rebellion,” she heard herself say. “It happened during the Clone Wars.”’
a screenshot of the relevant part of the book:
^ from https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mal'ary'ush & https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Noghri_revolution
& https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mission_to_Honoghr & https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Noghri/Legends#Lady_Vader
In the Brian Daley’s 1979 book ‘Han Solo’s Revenge’, Han makes a brief mention of the Clone Wars:
^ A screenshot from: www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/80ah66/what_we_knew_about_the_clone_wars_before_the_pt
In these intriguing early EU books, Han is an orphan, traveled with “space gypsies,” and learned to fly at the “Space Academy”.
More info:
Han Solo at Stars’ End: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Han_Solo_at_Stars’_End
Han Solo’s Revenge: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Han_Solo’s_Revenge
Han Solo and the Lost Legacy: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Han_Solo_and_the_Lost_Legacy
The Han Solo Adventures: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Han_Solo_Adventures
^ a compilation of the 3 above books, published in 1992.
From ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book, by JW Rinzler, on Page 350:-
^ Thought Waves first appeared in ‘The Wookiee Storybook’, a picture book written by Eleanor Ehrhardt, illustrated by Patricia Wynne, and published in 1979.
Thought Waves wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Thought_wave
The Wookiee Storybook wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Wookiee_Storybook
Lando’s original backstory had him being a clone…
'At their first story conference [for Empire Strikes Back], Lucas essentially talked at Brackett about the ideas he had floating around his head; the discussion was transcribed and the highlights were eventually reproduced in JW Rinzler’s The Making of the Empire Strikes Back.
“I wanted to bring in someone from Han’s past,” Lucas explained to Brackett. “Even though the Star Wars saga is essentially about Luke’s destiny and his past, I wanted to round out Han Solo’s character a little bit. The ‘gambler’ used to hang with Han, but is a different kind of person, more of a rogue and a con artist type than a fast-shooting, fast-talking type like Han.”
Initially conceived as someone who might run a general store on Chewbacca’s home planet (“a guy who trades with the Indians sort of thing”), Lucas saw his new character as “a slick, riverboat gambler type of dude”.
“Han Solo is a rather crude, rough-and-tumble kind of guy; this guy will be a very slicked down, elegant, James Bond-type,” he continued.
"Maybe he could look human but not really be human. He’s possibly a clone. The princess doesn’t trust him because of that; Leia might refer to him in a derogatory way.
"If we set him up as a clone, maybe in one of the other Episodes, we can have him run across a clan of them who are all exactly like him. We won’t go into the whole mythology of where they come from or whether clones were good or bad. We’ll assume that they were slightly weird in their own way and were partly responsible for the war.
“We’ll assume that on these planets of clones, there are many countries, say about 700 countries, and he’s from one of the ruling clone clans.”
^ snippet & screenshot from the the superb and informative The Calrissian clone connection article - at Force Material.
The Empire Strikes Back – First Draft, by Leigh Brackett - at Starkiller: The Jedi Bendu script website (a quality resource)
Lando Calrissian Was NEARLY Star Wars’ First Clone - a 2021 article at CBR
Lando Calrissian Was The Original Clone Per George Lucas - a 45 second video at the Star Wars Apprentice YouTube channel
Lando Kadar wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lando_Kadar
Some early Star Wars novels featuring Lando…
Lando Calrissian & Mindharp of Sharu: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lando_Calrissian_and_the_Mindharp_of_Sharu
Lando Calrissian & Flamewind of Oseon: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lando_Calrissian_and_the_Flamewind_of_Oseon
Lando Calrissian & Starcave of ThonBoka: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lando_Calrissian_and_the_Starcave_of_ThonBoka
The Lando Calrissian Adventures wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Lando_Calrissian_Adventures
^ a compilation of the 3 Lando Calrissian books above, released in 1994.
In the 2nd book of Michael A. Stackpole ‘X-Wing’ series; ‘Wedge’s Gamble’ book, from 1996:
In 7ABY X-Wing pilot Wedge Antilles finds Imperial propaganda about the Jedi Purge in a museum on Coruscant. The document states that after the end of the Clone Wars the Jedi, when taking non-human disciples started to become corrupt, eventually plotting to take control of the galaxy… was foiled by Palpatine and the only Jedi (Darth Vader) who remained loyal, saving everyone from “a tyrannical Jedi state”…
^ wookieepedia page for ‘Wedge’s Gamble’ book: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/X-Wing:_Wedge’s_Gamble
From chapter 4 of the 1998 ‘Vision Of The Future’ novel by Timothy Zahn; more insight and information is provided on clones, and the general perceptions of them decades after the Clone Wars:
wookieepedia page for Vision Of The Future: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Vision_of_the_Future
wookieepedia page for Carib Devist: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Carib_Devist
wookieepedia page for the Devist family of Clones: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Devist_family
wookieepedia page for Soontir Fel: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Soontir_Fel/Legends
• Introduction
• A quick note on ‘Canon’ (yep, I know…)
• Timelines: Story Events and Alterations
• Settings, Planets and Systems | Organisations and Governments
• The Jedi (as an Order Of Knights; their Way Of Life, the Force, Robes, Lightsabers etc)
• Characters and Biographies | Protagonists and Allies (including changes of persona or origin story)
• Characters and Biographies | Antagonists, Adversaries and their Allies (including changes of persona or origin story)
• Miscellaneous
• Blank Post (a spare post for possible future use; if ever required)
• A list of ‘Suggestions, Claims, Memories, and Posts’ on more pre-PT era material: to be checked and confirmed
• Index of Relevant OriginalTrilogy.com Threads
• Credits
