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How the EU and the OT described Anakin Skywalker, Palpatine and the Jedi Knights?

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It would be cool to see a timeline for that pre-Prequel era, with events and also character bios.

Including links to actual sources like the films, WEG sourcebooks, guidebooks, novels, comics, games, toy descriptions, Making Magic and Behind The Magic CD-Roms, and also magazines that had articles and stories inside like Starlog, SW Insider and Hypersapce, even in the early days of the official Star Wars website and blog.

Or even a single thread covering those events and characters, their life and lore pre-PT.
 

Some OT threads that have covered what you are posting about (from a quick look around the Indexes on here):

  1. Wars, organizations, relationships, and galactic history before the Prequels
  2. Putting The Original-Original Trilogy’s Prequel Story together
  3. The Prequels as Envisioned by the (Pre-PT) Expanded Universe
  4. What if The Prequels were based on the Pre-PT EU and were more “OT Accurate”
  5. Implied starting date of the Empire from OT dialogue (+ character ages + when certain events take place)
  6. What did you think the Clone Wars were gonna be?
  7. The Jedi Purge | a general discussion
  8. Were the Jedi supposed to not be allowed to get married, have children or any possessions when the OT was made?
  9. On Jedi and Attachment
  10. At what point did Tatooine robes become Jedi uniforms?
  11. OT lightsaber colours; (and some waffling on about the various colours used across the OT & Expanded Universe)
  12. Did G. Lucas ever intend to portray the Jedi as a flawed institution in the Prequels? Or was it added later in the EU?
  13. What Luke’s father and Darth Vader would have been like had Lucas kept them as separate characters?
  14. Original Trilogy vs The Prequels: inconsistencies, retcons, plot holes and discrepancies… (a ‘50+ issues’ list)

Some OT film drafts and character threads for the OT are in An Index for Original Trilogy Discussion

 

There is also a section in the ‘An Index for General Star Wars Discussion’ for this topic; with many relevant threads:

'The Star Wars Universe: OT & EU - Life & Lore before the Prequels (the PT ushering in George’s ‘nu-SW rules’ and more retcons)

oojason said:

Star Wars before the Prequels (with the PT ushering in George’s ‘nu-SW rules’) : archetypal life and lore from both the Original Trilogy & Expanded Universe…

 

 

Some threads highlighting Star Wars lore & history - before the Prequel films altered it / introduced new lore…

 
What if The Prequels were based on the Pre-PT EU and were more “OT Accurate”? (2023 thread)

How the EU and the OT described Anakin Skywalker, Palpatine and the Jedi Knights before the PT films? (2023 thread)

Putting The Original-Original Trilogy’s Prequel Story together (2008 thread)

Wars, organizations, relationships, and galactic history before the Prequels (2019 thread)

Implied starting date of the Empire from OT dialogue (2015 thread; + character ages + when certain events took place…)

Star Wars Prequels were mapped out in 1981, only nothing like the way they turned out (2013 thread)

What if the Prequels were made in the 80’s? (2022 thread)

Star Wars in the '90s? (2009 thread)

Interesting Hypothesis of the Prequels Story from the Mid 90’s (2005 thread)

What did we all expect from the Prequel Trilogy? (2004 thread)

How did you envision the Prequels? (2007 thread)

What were your original expectations for the PT? (2007 thread)

How did you imagine The Star Wars Prequels before they came out? (2011 thread)

Did you think Dagobah was Yoda’s homeworld before the Prequels were made? (2022 thread)

What did you think the Clone Wars were gonna be? (2005 thread)

How did you imagine the Emperor taking over? (2005 thread)

How you pictured Anakin pre-PT (2015 thread)

“You don’t know the power of the dark side! I must obey my master” (2005 thread; OT dialogue vs PT events)

Did G. Lucas ever intend to portray the Jedi as a flawed institution in the Prequels? Or was it added later in the EU? (2021)

Original Trilogy vs The Prequels: inconsistencies, retcons, plot holes and discrepancies… (2021 thread; ‘50+ issues’ list)

 

The Jedi & Sith; The Force - Light & Dark Side, in between, and the mystery…

 
Including discussions on the dissonance between the Jedi of the Original Trilogy era vs Prequels & since… (1976-1998 vs 1999-present)
 

Lucas’ Inspirations for Star Wars (2012 thread)

Bushido of Star Wars (2004 thread)

Ignorance in the Star Wars Galaxy (2014 thread)

Do you think the average citizen of the Star Wars galaxy would even be aware of the Force? (2012 thread)

Personal Opinions on the Nature of the Force (2013 thread)

Questions about the The Force & the SW universe (2018 thread)

What was George talking about here? In his conversation with Alan Dean Foster? - re The Force in ESB (2020 thread)

Inconsistent use of “the force” (2008 thread)

Frivolous use of the Force (2014 thread)

Unused force ability? - re The Force in ESB (2004 thread)

Force Speed question? (2014 thread)

How did Vader deflect those shots? (2009 thread)

“explanations” about Vader (2009 thread)

Help me settle an argument: does Luke use the ‘force choke’? (2004 thread)

“You don’t know the power of the dark side! I must obey my master” (2005 thread)

Luke VS the Emperor- What if Vader hadn’t been there? (2009 thread)

In 30 years why do you think Emperor… never taught Vader how to do the lightning? (2016 thread)

When and why did Lucas decide to make The Emperor a Force-user? (2022 thread)

What would Darth Vader have been like as a ruler, if he had overthrown emperor palpatine and became the emperor/ruler of the galaxy himself?? (2012 thread)
 

The Jedi…

 
Your favorite Jedi? (2011 thread)

“I was ONCE (emphasis mine) a Jedi Knight, the same as your father.” (2007 thread)

Is Obi-Wan a Jedi Master or a Jedi Knight? (2016 thread)

Who Was Obi Wan Kenobi’s Real Master? (2014 thread)

Original Trilogy vs The Prequels: inconsistencies, retcons, plot holes and discrepancies… (2021 unfinished ‘50+ topics list’ thread)

Are the Jedi so good? (2011 thread)

When did the Jedi become monks? (2007 thread)

Were the Jedi supposed to not be allowed to get married, have children or any possessions when the OT was made? (2023)

What Luke’s father and Darth Vader would have been like had Lucas kept them seperate? (2023 thread)

At what point did Tatooine robes become Jedi uniforms? (2023 thread)

how long does it take to train a jedi? (2005 thread)

Do the Jedi steal children? (2007 thread)

Too Old (2004 thread)

On Jedi and Attachment (2022 thread)

the next generation of Jedi (2010 thread; Jedi offspring, reproduction, attachments etc)

Punishment for committing Adultery if you are a Jedi…?? (2005 thread)

Yoda & Emperor PT vs OT (2005 thread)

The Jedi of the PT (2014 thread)

ROTS: The Jedi Now Seen In A Different Light… (2005 thread)

I hate the Jedi (2019 thread; the disconnect between OT & PT Jedi)

Who is the greatest Jedi of all time? (Dave Filoni says it is Anakin Skywalker. Is he?) (2023 thread)

jedi spirits (2006 thread; EU spirit possession etc)

I’ve given this a lot of thought, and I’ve decided this makes no sense. (Qui-Gon and Anakin’s ghosts.) (2006 thread)

Why Didn’t Qui Gon Gin’s Body Disappear Like Obiwan’s and Yoda’s? (2017 thread)

A mini-index of OT.com threads on the subject of Anakin Skywalker’s Force Ghost in Return Of The Jedi (2020 thread)
 

Lightsabers…

 
What methods were used in coming up with the choreography of the lightsaber duels? (2020 thread)

another example of Lucas changing things to appeal to a new generation - lightsaber dueling styles of OT vs PT (2010 thread)

OT lightsaber colours (2019 thread; and some waffling on about the various colours used across the OT & Expanded Universe etc)

Multiple Lightsaber Colour Appreciation Thread! (2012 thread; with images for many differing saber colours over time)

The Curse of the Blue Lightsaber (2004 thread)

Best (and worst) lightsaber colour? (2016 thread)

Best (and worst) lightsaber design? (2016 thread)

the lightsaber (2018 thread)

lightsaber ambient light (2011 thread)

 

Rather than re-post more of the above Index categories & threads here - I’ll simply list the relevant Index sections:-

 
• Original Trilogy vs later Star Wars: plot holes, inconsistencies, contradictions, disconnects, mental gymnastics, + stretches etc
• Vs & Similarities (between Trilogies and other Star Wars releases; PT vs OT, EU vs OT, EU vs Standalone Films, ST vs TV, etc)

• Midichlorians (their mid-90’s invention for the Prequels, + Lucas’ failed retcon of them ‘having always been there’ in the GFFA)…
• Anakin’s fall to the Dark Side…

• Canon
• ‘The pre-Prequel era EU’ discussions in ‘An Index & Help Thread for The Expanded Universe’ features many relevant threads too.

 

If anyone knows of any other relevant threads to include in this section please post them up. Especially for the original birth of the Rebellion, or pre-Prequel era Boba Fett (aka Jaster Mereel), Mandalorians who fought the Jedi in the Clone Wars, Palpatine (not a Sith or even a Dark Side user), Anakin, Obi-Wan, Thrawn, or any other character… that has seen their backstory or persona significantly change since the Prequel Trilogy era. Or please feel free to create any new threads yourselves on the topic…

If you’d like to see a more complete ‘Index Thread’ for this topic - please free to create one - and ask the mods to pin it up. 👍

 

 

Edit: I thought I had deja vu! You posted asking about ages of characters here just a month ago?:

How old Anakin and Obi Wan were originally supposed to be?

“Don’t tell anyone… but when ‘Star Wars’ first came out, I didn’t know where it was going either. The trick is to pretend you’ve planned the whole thing out in advance. Throw in some father issues and references to other stories - let’s call them homages - and you’ve got a series.” - George Lucas

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Sideburns of BoShek said:

It would be cool to see a timeline for that pre-Prequel era, with events and also character bios. Including links to actual sources like the films, WEG sourcebooks, guidebooks, novels, comics, games and any other stuff like Making Magic and Behind The Magic CD-Roms. Or even a single thread covering those events and characters, their life and lore pre-PT.

Some OT threads that have covered what you are posting about (from a quick look around the Indexes on here):

What if The Prequels were based on the Pre-PT EU and were more “OT Accurate”
Were the Jedi supposed to not be allowed to get married, have children or any possessions when the OT was made?
At what point did Tatooine robes become Jedi uniforms?
OT lightsaber colours; and some waffling on about the various colours used across the OT & Expanded Universe
Wars, organizations, relationships, and galactic history before the Prequels
Putting The Original-Original Trilogy’s Prequel Story together
Implied starting date of the Empire from OT dialogue; + character ages + when certain events took place
Did G. Lucas ever intend to portray the Jedi as a flawed institution in the Prequels? Or was it added later in the EU?
Original Trilogy vs The Prequels: inconsistencies, retcons, plot holes and discrepancies… (‘50+ issues’ list)

Some OT film drafts and character threads for the OT are in An Index for Original Trilogy Discussion
 

There is also a section in the ‘An Index for General Star Wars Discussion’ for this topic; with many relevant threads:

‘Star Wars before the Prequels (with the PT ushering in George’s ‘nu-SW rules’) : life and lore from both the Original Trilogy & EU’

 

Edit: I thought I had deja vu! You posted asking about ages of characters here just a month ago?:

How old Anakin and Obi Wan were originally supposed to be?

Ah yeah I’m really starting to get into the Pre-PT prequels so I’m posting a lot of questions if its okay

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DarthStarkiller1234 said:

Sideburns of BoShek said:

It would be cool to see a timeline for that pre-Prequel era, with events and also character bios. Including links to actual sources like the films, WEG sourcebooks, guidebooks, novels, comics, games and any other stuff like Making Magic and Behind The Magic CD-Roms. Or even a single thread covering those events and characters, their life and lore pre-PT.

Some OT threads that have covered what you are posting about (from a quick look around the Indexes on here):

What if The Prequels were based on the Pre-PT EU and were more “OT Accurate”
Were the Jedi supposed to not be allowed to get married, have children or any possessions when the OT was made?
At what point did Tatooine robes become Jedi uniforms?
OT lightsaber colours; and some waffling on about the various colours used across the OT & Expanded Universe
Wars, organizations, relationships, and galactic history before the Prequels
Putting The Original-Original Trilogy’s Prequel Story together
Implied starting date of the Empire from OT dialogue; + character ages + when certain events took place
Did G. Lucas ever intend to portray the Jedi as a flawed institution in the Prequels? Or was it added later in the EU?
Original Trilogy vs The Prequels: inconsistencies, retcons, plot holes and discrepancies… (‘50+ issues’ list)

Some OT film drafts and character threads for the OT are in An Index for Original Trilogy Discussion
 

There is also a section in the ‘An Index for General Star Wars Discussion’ for this topic; with many relevant threads:

‘Star Wars before the Prequels (with the PT ushering in George’s ‘nu-SW rules’) : life and lore from both the Original Trilogy & EU’

 

Edit: I thought I had deja vu! You posted asking about ages of characters here just a month ago?:

How old Anakin and Obi Wan were originally supposed to be?

Ah yeah I’m really starting to get into the Pre-PT prequels so I’m posting a lot of questions if its okay

That’s great, I think there is a number of us on here interested in that era, and some even old enough to remember it!

Although wouldn’t it be better to put it all your questions in one “mega” Pre-Prequel thread? So anyone can easily find and answer any of your questions, and not have repeat questions and answers? Up to you DarthStarkiller1234, I hope you find the answers and information you are looking for.

I edited in 2 more threads to my original list above.

I am surprised there aren’t YouTube videos or even websites covering the topic. There seems to be hundreds of videos online out there repeating the same things on Star Wars, but not so many on the “pre-Prequel” era?

“Don’t tell anyone… but when ‘Star Wars’ first came out, I didn’t know where it was going either. The trick is to pretend you’ve planned the whole thing out in advance. Throw in some father issues and references to other stories - let’s call them homages - and you’ve got a series.” - George Lucas

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Sideburns of BoShek said:

DarthStarkiller1234 said:

Sideburns of BoShek said:

It would be cool to see a timeline for that pre-Prequel era, with events and also character bios. Including links to actual sources like the films, WEG sourcebooks, guidebooks, novels, comics, games and any other stuff like Making Magic and Behind The Magic CD-Roms. Or even a single thread covering those events and characters, their life and lore pre-PT.

Some OT threads that have covered what you are posting about (from a quick look around the Indexes on here):

What if The Prequels were based on the Pre-PT EU and were more “OT Accurate”
Were the Jedi supposed to not be allowed to get married, have children or any possessions when the OT was made?
At what point did Tatooine robes become Jedi uniforms?
OT lightsaber colours; and some waffling on about the various colours used across the OT & Expanded Universe
Wars, organizations, relationships, and galactic history before the Prequels
Putting The Original-Original Trilogy’s Prequel Story together
Implied starting date of the Empire from OT dialogue; + character ages + when certain events took place
Did G. Lucas ever intend to portray the Jedi as a flawed institution in the Prequels? Or was it added later in the EU?
Original Trilogy vs The Prequels: inconsistencies, retcons, plot holes and discrepancies… (‘50+ issues’ list)

Some OT film drafts and character threads for the OT are in An Index for Original Trilogy Discussion
 

There is also a section in the ‘An Index for General Star Wars Discussion’ for this topic; with many relevant threads:

‘Star Wars before the Prequels (with the PT ushering in George’s ‘nu-SW rules’) : life and lore from both the Original Trilogy & EU’

 

Edit: I thought I had deja vu! You posted asking about ages of characters here just a month ago?:

How old Anakin and Obi Wan were originally supposed to be?

Ah yeah I’m really starting to get into the Pre-PT prequels so I’m posting a lot of questions if its okay

That’s great, I think there is a number of us on here interested in that era, and some even old enough to remember it!

Although wouldn’t it be better to put it all your questions in one “mega” Pre-Prequel thread? So anyone can easily find and answer any of your questions, and not have repeat questions and answers? Up to you DarthStarkiller1234, I hope you find the answers and information you are looking for.

I edited in 2 more threads to my original list above.

I am surprised there aren’t YouTube videos or even websites covering the topic. There seems to be hundreds of videos online out there repeating the same things on Star Wars, but not so many on the “pre-Prequel” era?

Yeah I think we should have our own thread for this. I’ve actually considered doing a YouTube channel or at least a video in the past, but never had the time.

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Vladius said:

Sideburns of BoShek said:

DarthStarkiller1234 said:

Sideburns of BoShek said:

It would be cool to see a timeline for that pre-Prequel era, with events and also character bios. Including links to actual sources like the films, WEG sourcebooks, guidebooks, novels, comics, games and any other stuff like Making Magic and Behind The Magic CD-Roms. Or even a single thread covering those events and characters, their life and lore pre-PT.

Some OT threads that have covered what you are posting about (from a quick look around the Indexes on here):

What if The Prequels were based on the Pre-PT EU and were more “OT Accurate”
Were the Jedi supposed to not be allowed to get married, have children or any possessions when the OT was made?
At what point did Tatooine robes become Jedi uniforms?
OT lightsaber colours; and some waffling on about the various colours used across the OT & Expanded Universe
Wars, organizations, relationships, and galactic history before the Prequels
Putting The Original-Original Trilogy’s Prequel Story together
Implied starting date of the Empire from OT dialogue; + character ages + when certain events took place
Did G. Lucas ever intend to portray the Jedi as a flawed institution in the Prequels? Or was it added later in the EU?
Original Trilogy vs The Prequels: inconsistencies, retcons, plot holes and discrepancies… (‘50+ issues’ list)

Some OT film drafts and character threads for the OT are in An Index for Original Trilogy Discussion
 

There is also a section in the ‘An Index for General Star Wars Discussion’ for this topic; with many relevant threads:

‘Star Wars before the Prequels (with the PT ushering in George’s ‘nu-SW rules’) : life and lore from both the Original Trilogy & EU’

 

Edit: I thought I had deja vu! You posted asking about ages of characters here just a month ago?:

How old Anakin and Obi Wan were originally supposed to be?

Ah yeah I’m really starting to get into the Pre-PT prequels so I’m posting a lot of questions if its okay

That’s great, I think there is a number of us on here interested in that era, and some even old enough to remember it!

Although wouldn’t it be better to put it all your questions in one “mega” Pre-Prequel thread? So anyone can easily find and answer any of your questions, and not have repeat questions and answers? Up to you DarthStarkiller1234, I hope you find the answers and information you are looking for.

I edited in 2 more threads to my original list above.

I am surprised there aren’t YouTube videos or even websites covering the topic. There seems to be hundreds of videos online out there repeating the same things on Star Wars, but not so many on the “pre-Prequel” era?

Yeah I think we should have our own thread for this. I’ve actually considered doing a YouTube channel or at least a video in the past, but never had the time.

A video through the lens of OT fans at the time, expectations and hopes, based on those snippets of information from the official material at that time would be so cool. I hope someone does do such a video one day.

I’ll create a thread trying to cover the “pre-PT era lore and content” soon. I’ve been messing around with some ideas and got some encouragement & ideas for layouts and how the formatting on here works. It’ll ask for anyone with knowledge and memories of that time to post what they know, along with any sources or references.

Try and build a scrapbook kind of resource full of links, screenshots or something? The “road no longer traveled” kind of thing.
 

01/12 Edit. I’ll post it up over this weekend.

Now posted in the ‘General Star Wars Discussion’ forum:
 

Pre-PT era lore | an OT & EU scrapbook resource | additional info & sources welcome
 

“Don’t tell anyone… but when ‘Star Wars’ first came out, I didn’t know where it was going either. The trick is to pretend you’ve planned the whole thing out in advance. Throw in some father issues and references to other stories - let’s call them homages - and you’ve got a series.” - George Lucas