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Help me settle an argument: does Luke use the ‘force choke’?

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When entering Jabba’s palace, and those pig dudes try and stop him (the Gamorreans), does he use Vadar’s signature force choke attack to render them unconscious, or does he do something else there- like just shove them back or use the mind trick to put them to sleep?

I say he choked the green bastards, my friend says not.

I’m sure I’m right, I just want everyone else to say it too.

-B
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He definitely force-chokes those suckers, you can hear the gargling sound as Luke brutally chokes those poor pig-like-things to death. What a bad man!

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I'm surprised it's even a question. Obviously, Obi Wan's malfunctioning lightsaber was resonating with the disturbance of the force caused by the destruction of Alderaan, which clashed with Han's emotional distrurbance at cold heartedly murdering a green bounty hunter who obviously meant him no harm. This anomally was amplified by the Carbon freezing. Luke just happened to raise his hand to say "hi" and wipe some yuck off the nice guard's face during a spike in the anomaly which caused the guard to stumble backwards.

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Luke did Force choke the guards. You need to Force choke your friend.

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Yeah, wasn´t Luke just "defending" himself because the guards dared block his way with their weapons? Why didn´t Lucas change this (like the Greedo/Han encounter) and make the guards attack him first before letting Luke force-choke them?? It´s really hard to understand Mr. Lucas´s thinking and logic. He´s lost his precious marbles indeed...

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ROTFLMAO! That's so true! I never even thought of that! LOL

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Yeah, that's right.

I know what I'm talking about.

And he does it so casually- choke choke choke.

It pretty much proves my broader point- that with a few exceptions- there are no inherently "good" or "evil" force techniques... it all depends on your mindset, your emotional state, your motivation etc.

-B
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To me it always read more as a force push than a force choke. In every other force choke we've seen in the films, the individual never suddenly stumbles backwards, they just start choking on the spot. To me it always looked more like the gaurds had both just received a hard shove in the sternum. Just my opinion.

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"In every other force choke we've seen in the films, the individual never suddenly stumbles backwards"

Yet, like ever other Force choke we've seen in the films, the guards grab their necks and make choking noises. Rather telling, if you ask me.

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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

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Well...I think I can buy it. Luke perhaps knew that Gammoreans were basically animals with vibro-axes. So he supressed them with a little choke (like you would a dog). Sick, but a reality.
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I think the big confusion comes from everyone being so damned literal about Yoda's "only for defense, never attack" stipulation about how a JEDI would use the force... people think "no way! Luke is a good Jedi! Jedi don't use the force to attack! So he couldn't have done it!" Blah blah blah.

The Force is neutral most of the time... you run into trouble when you use it to force your will on others, dominate, and control them. Ever use of the 'mind trick' is persuasive or defensive. Even "go home and rethink your life" doesn't force the guy to change, just to think about it.

Same with tossing crap around or choking people- if you do it with proper Jedi cool, and in service to the Jedi's Defensive philosophy, then you're golden. If you do it out of anger, then you flirt with the Dark Side. Luke was 'making an entrance' in order to save someone, and he needed to impress on his "host" he wasn't to be trifled with- he needed to be in a position of strength the Hutt could understand. A quick choke to make his point (and remove an obstacle), and no "dark side point" earned. I think the lightning thing may be different- you have to really tap the dark side for that don't you? But the choke is the same order of power you would use to toss a brick- neutral except in how it is used.

-B
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Luke applies force choking, however Luke stopped short on applying this lethally on the Gammoreans.

Kevin
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Originally posted by: Kaiju Eiga
Luke applies force choking, however Luke stopped short on applying this lethally on the Gammoreans.

Kevin


This was my take as well.

-B
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Force lightning is exclusive to the Sith. Obviously, the choke isn't. I think basically every power (force push, choke, mind trick, etc.) is shared by the two...but one who ventures to the Dark Side gets a much tighter grasp on these powers. Lucas is always saying that the Dark Side is stronger (even though Yoda said no, go figure).
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^

I'll take Yoda's truth over Lucas' anyday.



Kevin
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*thumbs up to Yoda* I concur, his truth is my truth.

I think Luke definitely force choked the piggies, and Bailywolf was spot on talking about motivations. I think thats accurate.
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it's a force choke, I think in ROTJ they deliberatley tried to play on the ambiguity of Lukes character, hence the basic black outfit and cloak (like father, like son) , hinting that he could possibly go either way, remain good or join his father on the darkside, I also agree with Bailywolf about Luke wanting to make an entrance, I don't believe he would have killed them.
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"Force lightning is exclusive to the Sith."

Incorrect. Otherwise, how would Obi-won know he could block it? How would Yoda know how to manipulate it? Did you think they were practicing against Sith all this time?

"I think in ROTJ they deliberatley tried to play on the ambiguity of Lukes character, hence the basic black outfit and cloak (like father, like son) , hinting that he could possibly go either way, remain good or join his father on the darkside"

Exactly. There is always the risk that Luke will follow in the footsteps of his father. In fact, for a few seconds in the duel, he almost does.

Remember, folks. Luke wasn't a Jedi until the end of ROTJ. That's when he finally understand the nature of the Force, as well as its lure.

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<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

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My 2 cents is this... It's a force choke plain and simple...

And it comes down to this... Luke is actually the one that brings balance to the force, not Anakin.
When stated that Anakin is the 'possibly' the one its cause of the powerful potential he has...
But who says the most powerful should be the one.

Also If you have ever read 'Heir to the Empire' which is considered canon material and post ROTJ...
Luke actually learns a great deal about the dark side and its powers, and uses them without penaty to
his soul, thus in his path has attained a balance in the force. Even when Luke brings back the Jedi academy
the new rules are not as rigid as they originally were to be a Jedi, cause NO one can be perfect. And not to get
into a relegious debate but even Jesus wasn't perfect, he had his own flaws.

No one can be 100% good or 100% evil, there is always a shade of grey. Although I do think the original ideals of the
Jedi was to atain that 100% goal, but under Luke's new academy its more to find that balance in your life, and its a
constant battle within oneself ie: conflict, which is what defines whom you are and the choices your make.

So in retospect Luke was indeed taping what Jedi would call the dark side and using a force choke. Also I believe its all the same Force... its just how its used and the state of mind and motive behind the use of said power.

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It's a force choke, but he did not kill him, so it's more like a Force-version of the Vulcan neck pinch.
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And not to get into a relegious debate but even Jesus wasn't perfect, he had his own flaws.



Hi,
Jesus experienced all the temptations and hardships of humanity, yet was without sin. Hence, the reason He was the perfect lamb for the sacrifice.



Back on topic.

Peace,
Kevin
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I allways thought the Force Choke was to show how dangeroulsy close to the dark side Luke was falling.

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Incorrect. Otherwise, how would Obi-won know he could block it? How would Yoda know how to manipulate it? Did you think they were practicing against Sith all this time?


Do we have an official answer on this? I guess I worded this kinda off. It's exclusive in the sense that only dark Jedi use it, is sorta what I meant. I don't know.
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I just figured that since it was a manifestation of the Force, then anyone skilled at defending against the force would be able to block (or even deflect) it.

-B
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Except Luke, who threw away his lightsaber while standing the Emperor off...

lol, I think that's the dumbest thing he did. You didn't see Obi-Wan throw his lightsaber away when he ws facing off with Dooku. Sure, different circumstances, but lightsaber was essential for defense.