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"You don't know the power of the dark side! I must obey my master"

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Everytime I watched ROTJ, that line said by Vader to Luke, "You don't know the power of the dark side, I must obey my master." I really thought that meant something much more before ROTS last May.

Now I actually like ROTS, it is the only prequel I enjoyed, but this line from Jedi doesn't seem as powerful as before. Why must he obey his master now? Before it was about saving Padme, but after she died, why must he obey him?

I always thought before ROTS, that Vader was seduced by the darkside, not tricked to the darkside, and when he says he must obey his master, I always thought The Emperor put a show of force on Vader if he ever tried something on him, to make him think twice about taking him out as a Sith.

Everyone probably looks at Anakins turn differently, so what do you guys think? I just think that scene with Luke & Vader lost alot of its luster cause now Vader was tricked to the darkside, not seduced.
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Well, after he believed he himself killed Padme, and he had killed the jedi, all he had left was his master, who he felt he had to obey. That's good enough explanation for me.
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First off......we DON'T know the power of the dark side!!!! It was never really shown. All we saw was fuckin lightning bolts from the emperor.

Was anyone else besides me disappointed that we didn't get to see more dark side abilities in ROTS?

I think that's why that line on ROTJ doesn't make sense. Just further proof that the PT has dragged down the OT's greatness.
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The only power of the darkside I remember seeing was shooting lightning from Dooku and the Emperor other i didnt see much difference between the darkside(Sith) and the lightside(jedi) of the Force....
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Exactly.....I wanted to see some major shit go down. Instead we got NOTHING. NOTHING!!!!

But I'm sure Adam would say that anything new probably didn't fit in Lucas' vision and therefore we should be happy with what we did get which wasn't much to begin with....
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What we didn't see leaves us to imagine the power of the darkside, and adds to the greatness.
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Instead of seeing Jar Jar,a Underwater boat ride,a Podrace fishmen throwing blue bowling balls at Robots,Anakin chatting up Padme for a good length and Droid Factory wouldnt it have been better to see the Power of the Darkside rather than leaving it to imagination.........................
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Adam will disagree with you Bungle.....cuz he's a Lucas lackey.....all that stuff was "necessary" to show how great ILM is as distracting us from what should have been in the movie.
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No offense guys, but what "should" have been in the movie is what Lucas wanted in the movie, since he created the films and he owns them. If he had listened to what the fans want, then he would be the studios. I mean, he spent over 10 years of his life devoted to them. I think he knew exaqctly what he wanted and what he needed in order to tell the story he wanted to tell.
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We know they are Lucas movie I am not saying that, but people mention continuty errors, plot holes, things not covered that is why people say things like should be,its not just us here, its people everywhere, now in the end its upto Lucas, but they are only films and he is only a filmaker and can be critised(though to some people around not nessecirly here he cant and nor can the films) I will not accept that Lucas has done everything right in his Prequel descions both editorially directing wise and screenwriting wise etc, now i am trying to point out that instead of long FX sequences etc the time could have been used wiser IMO to cover issues and make Sith seem not so squeezed, now thats upto Lucas, but /we have a right to comment and form an opinion( the reason I mentioned those I have seen the Edits and by cutting alot of that out/down it improves the movie IMO, and maybe commenting with the time editted out/trimmed Lucas could have put something else in there instead and maybe cover stuff that would bring less critism) but Lucas decides in the end...
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
Instead of seeing Jar Jar,a Underwater boat ride,a Podrace fishmen throwing blue bowling balls at Robots,Anakin chatting up Padme for a good length and Droid Factory wouldnt it have been better to see the Power of the Darkside rather than leaving it to imagination.........................


And the funny part is, we made GL millions of dollars richer with the prequels. THAT is the power of the dark side, right there.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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I feel your anger.... it gives you focus, makes you stronger.................................. Seduced or not, the line still holds a decent amount of weight to me. And... Anakin had a choice. Tricked people often do not.

Yes, Rots fudged a lot of things up. The whole PT has and it's all George's fault.

Now what's perplexing me is why wesa suddenly need to witness this "POWER". Do wesa want the emperor to pour lightning into a generator and 'power' oops, I mean, UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNLLLLLLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDD POOWWWWWWWWWWERRRRRRRRRRRR up a whole city? What?

We've seen this awesome power of the dark side anyway. Did Maul single handedly whoop two jedi's asses or not? Only to get beaten because Obi-wan had the low ground or something...

Adam's got a pointy point. The PT's really not so good, but we've seen mucho evidence that the dark side has more intense power than the passive, peaceful, *friendly* light side, or maybe it's just UNNNNNNNNNNLLLLLLIIIIIIMMited midichlorians that dark side users have? I wasn't going to do that whole thing over again. The movies keep this thing consistent to me at least.

I hate midis.

Anyway, Maul displays his unyielding physical strength and the Emperor Palpidious does ALL sorts of crazy shit like that corkscrew mcTwist, the mace windu lightning slingshot, AND the flying-pods technique. One problem I see here is that it was TOO easy. The dark side's not THAT powerful is it? Two master jedi who trained for years were defeated in seconds, while Samuel L Jackson jumped out of the way or something. Or maybe he was used to 'trick' anakin into breaking his jedi code even further. Well it's a big mess. Anakin was already a foolish boob who was seduced by the real dark side and married it, then impregnated her, making the dark side look like a pretty good deal if he wanted to keep his family alive...

He had to choose between Yoda's "let go" and Palp's "cheat death, dark side's not soooooo bad, just jedi brainwashing that's all. It's great, look at me...". Seems like seduction to me. Now onto Luke.

Luke has NO IDEA what he's getting himself into by challenging the emperor."*cough* L..l..lluuke.. do not... underestimate the powers of the emperor..." Yoda still feels the bruises from that battle. So I conclude that Vader, in some way, was warning his son about his master and what he can do to him, both mentally and physically, as it was done to him at his age. He'd be cajoled stupidly to join the dark side too. It dominates your destiny. You don't control the dark side. The dark side controls you, darnit. It gives you yellow eyes and bad breath too, I think.

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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Well, after he believed he himself killed Padme, and he had killed the jedi, all he had left was his master, who he felt he had to obey. That's good enough explanation for me.


Once again, not seeing much choice there, which is the problem. He didn't choose the dark side. He just had nothing else going for him, so why not stick around for the next 20 years?

But I agree that we saw enough dark side powers for me to be satisfied. The only thing I didn't like is that every single Force-user is seen wielding a lightsaber. Yoda and Palpatine were the last two people I'd expect to use stuff like that, yet they end up in a duel against each other using lightsabers. When I grew up on the originals, I always thought that Yoda and Palpatine were just so strong in the Force that they didn't need to resort to hacking and slashing like the rest of them. They were on an ascended plane. "It appears that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force, but by our skills with a lightsaber." If Dooku's line has any weight to it at all, it led me to believe that the lightsaber and the Force aren't really connected. The ability to use the Force contributes to one's fencing skills, but it's not necessary. To me, it just seemed like Lucas was giving in to a lot of fans', "Ooh, lightsabers are cool!" mentality by sticking them all over the place. And, yes, they are cool, but I'd much rather see Palpatine shooting out lightning at Mace and throwing Senate chairs at Yoda than being forced into hand to hand combat. I've always felt that it seems beneath him.

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Right on... elegant weapons should have little to no place on their level of force mastery, but it was too 'cool' to pass up. All the more cheapened by General Johnny Five's ridiculous light show. hundreds of years of training, force probing, and Yoda still gets beat by the dark side. That's some hell of a lot of power.

Now how did palpy figure out Anakin's bad dreams about his wife? Did he really use the force to midify Anakin's birth? This, I want to see rather than imagine.



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Anakin was slowly seduced by the darkside for years. He started towards that cliff the moment his mother died, and he wiped out the entire Tusken Village. In the end, Palpy was just making him finally walk off the cliff in ROTS.
After Mustafar, Vader certainly must have felt in debt to the man who "rescued" him. (Especially since Obi Wan left him to fry!) I doubt he seriously thought about taking his master out again until Luke came along.

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Your only hope is to do as I am doing - ignore and try to forget the prequels.

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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
No offense guys, but what "should" have been in the movie is what Lucas wanted in the movie, since he created the films and he owns them. If he had listened to what the fans want, then he would be the studios. I mean, he spent over 10 years of his life devoted to them. I think he knew exaqctly what he wanted and what he needed in order to tell the story he wanted to tell.


Adam....Lucas DOES NOT KNOW what he wants.

You need to get your head and your ass wired together and realize that Lucas has been MAKING THIS SHIT UP AS HE'S GOING ALONG!!!

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Originally posted by: Wesyeed
So I conclude that Vader, in some way, was warning his son about his master and what he can do to him, both mentally and physically, as it was done to him at his age.


that made me think of something. Vader/Anakin doesnt help his son until he sees Palpatine using the Lightning on him. Think maybe he realized that way back in the day when he was turned to the dark side, that maybe he didnt need to jump in to help out palpatine by cutting off mace's hands, think maybe it was just then he realized he was duped into 'rescuing' palpatine, who really didnt need to be rescued. hence why he decided to stop palpatine from zapping his son and toss him down the shaft.

just a thought.

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Am I the only one who thinks that maybe we saw a bit too much of the power of the dark side? Or at least we should of seen more powers of the light side. In ESB, Luke asks if the dark side is stronger, Yoda says no, only easier and more seductive. But most every time in the PT, the dark side beats the light hands down. Plus, the dark side can limit the ability of the light to sense things? I would of liked a bit more of a balanced approach to things. It seems like in the PT, the dark side is much more powerful.
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Originally posted by: Darth Simon
Originally posted by: Wesyeed
So I conclude that Vader, in some way, was warning his son about his master and what he can do to him, both mentally and physically, as it was done to him at his age.


that made me think of something. Vader/Anakin doesnt help his son until he sees Palpatine using the Lightning on him. Think maybe he realized that way back in the day when he was turned to the dark side, that maybe he didnt need to jump in to help out palpatine by cutting off mace's hands, think maybe it was just then he realized he was duped into 'rescuing' palpatine, who really didnt need to be rescued. hence why he decided to stop palpatine from zapping his son and toss him down the shaft.

just a thought.

-Darth Simon


Exactly. And it was a brilliant way to tie the PT and OT together.
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Originally posted by: Number20
Am I the only one who thinks that maybe we saw a bit too much of the power of the dark side? Or at least we should of seen more powers of the light side. In ESB, Luke asks if the dark side is stronger, Yoda says no, only easier and more seductive. But most every time in the PT, the dark side beats the light hands down. Plus, the dark side can limit the ability of the light to sense things? I would of liked a bit more of a balanced approach to things. It seems like in the PT, the dark side is much more powerful.


Very good point. The rewards of the light side seem few and far between in the prequels besides seemingly the more noble thing to do. I guess it's kinda like white and black magic in RPGs, specifically Final Fantasy. But the power the dark side seems to have over the light side is horrible. "The dark side clouds everything." "Only the Sith knows of our weakness." "Our ability to use the Force has diminished." "The dark side clouds their judgement." Why can't the light side ever cloud the dark side's judgement? Huh?!

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The POWER of the dark side is HATE.
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