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#1264648
Topic
Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers **
Time

Fair play to ILMVisualFX…

https://www.visualeffectssociety.com/

 

A few videos on some of ILMVisualFX’s work for Solo can be found a couple of posts above, or on their own youtube channel:-

https://www.youtube.com/user/ILMVisualFX/videos

 


 

A fun 80’s vibe & style VHS trailer / advert for Solo:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iaW_iGFeSI (by TheStarWarsDaily)

 


 

Cool Solo poster…

^ from https://www.deviantart.com/markraats/art/Official-SOLO-A-Star-Wars-Story-Poster-744031765
 

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#1264564
Topic
Star Wars <strong>Fan Films</strong> / Shorts - a general discussion thread
Time

Thought this is quite an insightful and illuminating piece on the Shards Of The Past ‘situation’ (it’s from a Star Wars blog, yet the blogger seems to have done his homework on it):-

It wasn’t Disney that claimed Star Wars Theory’s Vader Film, it was Warner Chappell Music’…

http://starwarshub.net/2019/01/15/it-wasnt-disney-that-claimed-star-wars-theorys-vader-fan-film-it-was-warner-chappell-music/
 

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#1264545
Topic
The Random <em>Star Wars</em> Pics &amp; GIFs Thread
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Valheru_84 said:

oojason said:

Valheru_84 said:

Ok, I have to reply:

  • I ignored nothing, I explained multiple times why I was frustrated and directly replied to your posts.

  • I know you are no longer a moderator, I simply thought you might exercise some of the skills that comes with the past role in keeping yourself in check. Additionally you have no doubt had to directly deal with such circumstances and so it is surprising you let yourself sink to these levels.

  • If you refer to my lengthy posts where I try to spell out my point of view and reasons as “a load of shite” then I understand why you haven’t actually addressed them. You should have just flung insults at me from the beginning for which I could report you and move on rather than bothering with your pretense.

  • Citing the gif as humour is disingenuous BS, although seeing as you never tried to understand my points maybe you actually believe that and can’t see the hypocrisy staring me in the face.

  • My reply to you in the Mary Sue thread was simply pointing out that humour or not, you have not watched the quite half of the video you criticise and dismiss and then act as if your opinion expressed so far in the thread (factual recounting of the throne room scene aside) is all anyone needs to know about it and the thread shouldn’t exist despite the multitude of other people having an interesting and reasoned conversation that they clearly want to engage in because they are regularly posting in the thread.

  • You are now actively twisting my words:
    – I never claimed you needed to be warned - you WERE warned. If you did the same thing that initially made me frustrated that I would not be happy. Pretty logical, why would you do it again? Doesn’t seem like a good way to discuss the topic.
    – You were clearly ignorant on the matter, you directly admitted it yourself in what you said. Why is it so hard to deal with the term when it is applied to you on just this matter? It is not a bad thing in off itself. Do some reading and come back to talk on the same level of understanding.
    – I did not make or infer any connection to you being mentally / intellectually inferior as to you not getting it. The issue stems from the fact that your responses seem to constantly miss, forget and ignore things I have already said. I was getting a bit frustrated with that.
    – Do we not all coexist on a basic mutual respect? That is all I meant. If you are going to refute my posts then do me the respect of actually addressing the points I make.

All I have done in this thread is represent myself and offer my opinion in discussion. For that I have been:
– Initially labeled and furthermore insinuated multiple times to be anti-pansexual.
– Posts I put some considerable effort and time into ignored and compared to “shite”.
– Sneered at and painted as someone having an unreasonable issue with Pando Lando despite the reasons listed and repeated yet not actually replied to.
– Past conflicts brought back up that have no bearing on the situation and trying to side shift the responsibility of your own part in this argument onto them.
– Been directly insulted and demeaned. I try to tell you why I am frustrated at the situation and your part in it and you end up telling me to go fuck myself.

The actual common issue between this and the Mary Sue thread with yourself and Dom - antagonistic behaviour towards those that criticise TLJ. I’ve had no issue talking with other people in both threads about the issues IMHO TLJ, the ST and various characters have, it wasn’t until Dom and yourself started having a go at me that things started heading down the drain pipe. I try to ignore Dom and now you, but I will stand up for myself.

Val

I haven’t read that - any of it, and am not going to - it’d obviously be a waste of time.

My original post stands for what it is - and you then kicked off. Now you claim I was misrepresenting you as well as your other aforementioned bullshit?

If that’s what happens when a simple post with a couple of reasonable questions then there’s not much hope for having a conversation with you. Add in the insults as well as the “I’ll repeat it again as you do seem hard of hearing” jibe as some sort of lazy innuendo / stigma that deaf people are mentally / intellectually inferior or somehow ‘can’t / don’t get it’… and there is certainly no point in having a conversation with someone who thinks like you.

From that simple post of mine and your then continued blow-ups, insults and unfounded claims it seems you were looking for a fight or baiting there? Or maybe it’s your style to make a one liner post and then light-up the situation? Add in a few insults and derogatory comments and then pretend you’re being hard done by, misrepresented, misunderstood, antagonised etc?

All from this post? Laughable.

Keep up the deflection and bullshit .Val - stay classy. And please, no ranting rage-filled ‘it’s all your fault’ type PMs again either this time around, thanks.

 

Once again, back to the pics…

I’m quite happy to see more diversity in Star Wars…

Would have like to see more of L3 in the GFFA, though I suppose from a certain point of view she is still with us… 😉
 

Ok seeing as there is no moderation happening anymore on this site where blatant abuse and personal attacks are the order of the day and anything in between goes - if you were standing in front of me right now I would knock your fucking block off “mate”. You are a piece of shit who will continually take cheap shots while claiming to be innocent all the while constantly attacking my very character and alluding that I have some ulterior motive.

Since you want to drag that skeleton out of the closet, you did the exact same thing to me in PM before you personally banned me some 8 months ago. Anything I said was never taken at face value, you always seem to think the worst of me and project this onto my words, looking for hidden meaning where there is none. At the time you failed to tell me it was a temporary ban, our conversation devolved as you constantly applied your own meaning to my words and due to our personal conversation you permanently banned me. Yet in the banned members thread you claim it’s what I said to the moderators in general that earned me my permanent ban. So disingenuous.

In the end I found I actually owned a copy of TFA that was packed away still after having not long moved house at the time and that was after I purchased another copy in order to ask to be allowed back on here. So it was my own fucking dumb fault for not checking my bluray collection before saying to you I didn’t have a copy for the one edit I downloaded. But you let me believe it was a permanent ban from the get go and it was your inability to not get personal as the moderator that resulted in our argument that you decided should be grounds for the actual permanent ban, which to this day I still feel was completely unfair.

You say you won’t read my post, the very post where I tell you I never inferred any such thing when I said you seem hard of hearing. You concocted that one up yourself. It was in reference to the repeated times you wouldn’t read or ignored what I’d said in earlier posts that you later confirmed to consider “shite” and now still refuse to read my reply all the while throwing insult and abuse at me. How can I even deal with such an individual, how am I supposed to begin to engage in reasoned discussion when you blatantly ignore my post while dismissing them and insulting me in the same breath. Why the fuck do you think I was feeling frustrated in the first place you bloody tospot!

How were you ever a moderator when this is how you talk to people? I’m firing of the expletives and insults now but you lit the fire and fanned the flames you arsehole. This comes on the back of my wife telling me she hates life at the moment, so I’m a bit fucking unstable emotionally right now after my one liner observation was taken out of context and then you happened along to have a crack at me all day long. But that won’t mean anything to you, you never believe a single word I ever say as genuine no matter how reasoned and straightforward I try to be. Get out of my fucking face you idiotic twat and don’t talk to me ever again.

Just asked a couple of reasonable questions and you continued to fly off the handle - and look how you behave…

(I’m not too proud of my own handling of this - but y’know… wow.)

I haven’t read what you’ve said above - bar the 1st paragraph. Didn’t seem worth continuing reading and as stated before I have better things to do than engage with someone who thinks and acts like you.
 

Edit - have now read it. Wow (again). Yes, .Val you breaking the rules in not being in ownership of the blu ray of TFA, yet acquiring a TFA Fan Edit eanrt you a temp ban. You mistook this for a permanent ban and jumped in and kicked off with the PMs at me (by the way, my previous reference to your PMs to me weren’t solely about your ban, but mainly your previous other PMs to me) - amongst other rants/critiques/unloading re the moderation in general.

I thought the whole thing was clear in the Banned Members thread - Valheru’s ban is permanent. Initially it was a temp-ban for not having a retail copy of TFA yet acquiring TFA Edits - breaking Rule 6 - though his comments to us upon being informed of this earnt him a permanent ban.

Now, I’m not going to disclose anything else said in your PMs - but felt that needed addressing given your above claim.

When asked for a reason why you broke the rule… No, you can’t wait X years until a Sequel Trilogy boxset comes out rather than buy them individually and acquire fan edits until a box set is released (ignoring your 'Well you all already know who WON’T be buying a copy of TLJ on BD 😉 I don’t have TFA either, was going to get all 3 together once Ep9 was out but that won’t be happening now…’, and mentions of SW release boycotts around the time?). No, it doesn’t matter ‘how much you had done for the site’ - it was reported you broke the rules (an important one to the existence of this site) - and we acted. You kicked off in PMs - earning yourself the permanent ban. If you hadn’t sent those PMs it’d been a couple/few of weeks away like many others in your situation. It was on you - no-one else.
 

Much like you kicking off / making claims such as these… ‘get educated’, ‘You can’t say now that I haven’t warned you’, ‘your supposed ignorance on the matter’, ‘you do seem hard of hearing’, ‘tone and demeanour towards me is beyond the pale’, ‘I never went looking for a fight, it came to me’, ‘the chip on your shoulder’, ‘you WERE warned’, ‘You were clearly ignorant’, ‘blatant abuse and personal attacks are the order of the day and anything in between goes - if you were standing in front of me right now I would knock your fucking block off “mate”’, ‘You are a piece of shit who will continually take cheap shots’, ‘all the while constantly attacking my very character’, ‘I’m firing of the expletives and insults now but you lit the fire and fanned the flames you arsehole’, ‘Get out of my fucking face you idiotic twat and don’t talk to me ever again.’
 

As said before…

… it seems from your reaction to it you may have some issues with something out side of my initial post.

Keep up the deflection and bullshit .Val - it’ll all be someone else’s fault. Stay classy.

 

 

The last few pages read like a clusterfuck. Perhaps starting over again will help get the thread back on topic?

^ no kids were harmed in the making or viewing of this image. Though don’t drink malt liquor until you’re old enough.

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#1264514
Topic
The Random <em>Star Wars</em> Pics &amp; GIFs Thread
Time

Valheru_84 said:

Ok, I have to reply:

  • I ignored nothing, I explained multiple times why I was frustrated and directly replied to your posts.

  • I know you are no longer a moderator, I simply thought you might exercise some of the skills that comes with the past role in keeping yourself in check. Additionally you have no doubt had to directly deal with such circumstances and so it is surprising you let yourself sink to these levels.

  • If you refer to my lengthy posts where I try to spell out my point of view and reasons as “a load of shite” then I understand why you haven’t actually addressed them. You should have just flung insults at me from the beginning for which I could report you and move on rather than bothering with your pretense.

  • Citing the gif as humour is disingenuous BS, although seeing as you never tried to understand my points maybe you actually believe that and can’t see the hypocrisy staring me in the face.

  • My reply to you in the Mary Sue thread was simply pointing out that humour or not, you have not watched the quite half of the video you criticise and dismiss and then act as if your opinion expressed so far in the thread (factual recounting of the throne room scene aside) is all anyone needs to know about it and the thread shouldn’t exist despite the multitude of other people having an interesting and reasoned conversation that they clearly want to engage in because they are regularly posting in the thread.

  • You are now actively twisting my words:
    – I never claimed you needed to be warned - you WERE warned. If you did the same thing that initially made me frustrated that I would not be happy. Pretty logical, why would you do it again? Doesn’t seem like a good way to discuss the topic.
    – You were clearly ignorant on the matter, you directly admitted it yourself in what you said. Why is it so hard to deal with the term when it is applied to you on just this matter? It is not a bad thing in off itself. Do some reading and come back to talk on the same level of understanding.
    – I did not make or infer any connection to you being mentally / intellectually inferior as to you not getting it. The issue stems from the fact that your responses seem to constantly miss, forget and ignore things I have already said. I was getting a bit frustrated with that.
    – Do we not all coexist on a basic mutual respect? That is all I meant. If you are going to refute my posts then do me the respect of actually addressing the points I make.

All I have done in this thread is represent myself and offer my opinion in discussion. For that I have been:
– Initially labeled and furthermore insinuated multiple times to be anti-pansexual.
– Posts I put some considerable effort and time into ignored and compared to “shite”.
– Sneered at and painted as someone having an unreasonable issue with Pando Lando despite the reasons listed and repeated yet not actually replied to.
– Past conflicts brought back up that have no bearing on the situation and trying to side shift the responsibility of your own part in this argument onto them.
– Been directly insulted and demeaned. I try to tell you why I am frustrated at the situation and your part in it and you end up telling me to go fuck myself.

The actual common issue between this and the Mary Sue thread with yourself and Dom - antagonistic behaviour towards those that criticise TLJ. I’ve had no issue talking with other people in both threads about the issues IMHO TLJ, the ST and various characters have, it wasn’t until Dom and yourself started having a go at me that things started heading down the drain pipe. I try to ignore Dom and now you, but I will stand up for myself.

Val

I haven’t read that - any of it, and am not going to - it’d obviously be a waste of time.

My original post stands for what it is - and you then kicked off. Now you claim I was misrepresenting you as well as your other aforementioned bullshit?

If that’s what happens when a simple post with a couple of reasonable questions then there’s not much hope for having a conversation with you. Add in the insults as well as the “I’ll repeat it again as you do seem hard of hearing” jibe as some sort of lazy innuendo / stigma that deaf people are mentally / intellectually inferior or somehow ‘can’t / don’t get it’… and there is certainly no point in having a conversation with someone who thinks like you.

From that simple post of mine and your then continued blow-ups, insults and unfounded claims it seems you were looking for a fight or baiting there? Or maybe it’s your style to make a one liner post and then light-up the situation? Add in a few insults and derogatory comments and then pretend you’re being hard done by, misrepresented, misunderstood, antagonised etc?

All from this post? Laughable.

Keep up the deflection and bullshit .Val - stay classy. And please, no ranting rage-filled ‘it’s all your fault’ type PMs again either this time around, thanks.

 

Once again, back to the pics…

I’m quite happy to see more diversity in Star Wars…

Would have like to see more of L3 in the GFFA, though I suppose from a certain point of view she is still with us… 😉
 

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#1264425
Topic
The Random <em>Star Wars</em> Pics &amp; GIFs Thread
Time

I see you ignored the explaining of what in my post made you ‘immensely frustrated by these attempts to make me out as some kind of unreasonable homo/panphobe’ - probably because there was nothing there bar a few reasonable questions in it.

BTW, I’m not a moderator here.

Nor have I a chip on the shoulder - I just asked a couple of questions and got a load of shite back (though you claim I need to be warned, educated and to stop with my ignorance - along with my tone and demeanour to you) - and apparently brought a fight to you in asking said questions. Claims that I hadn’t actually read your posts, I had made some assumptions at best as don’t make sense, should pay you respect, and I hadn’t an open mind)… just as a reminder those questions which generated such shite from you, were…

oojason said:

Valheru_84 said:

ray_afraid said:

Valheru_84 said:

it created such a media sensation.

I’ve never once heard/seen it mentioned outside of this site…

Then you simply haven’t been looking or stumbled across the articles online. These are the first mainstream ones I can across after searching “Jonathan Kasdan Pando Lando”:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2018/5/17/17365604/lando-calrissian-sexuality-solo-star-wars-jonathan-kasdan

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5af77d59e4b00d7e4c1b37a9/amp

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/5/17/17366002/lando-calrissian-solo-a-star-wars-story

Val

It ‘created such a media sensation’ that we have to search for the actual term on an online search engine? 😉

I’ve never heard of ‘Pando Lando’ before you mentioned it. Seems much ado about nothing to me (or chance to clickbait for some who are into that type of thing). I imagine most 12 years olds (and over) will take it as the actors referred to the question/statement did - a bit of a joke.

Are you really bothered by it and worried for the children when a spoof/riff Lando pic appears on here (and there are many of that Colt 45 image) - or this particular one enters popular culture - as you put it? I imagine many wouldn’t give it a second thought. Seems many didn’t either for Captain Jack from Doctor Who, or others in sci-fi who are pansexual.

Anyway, back to the pics…

Wow.
 

Re the L3 gif - just a bit of humour to diffuse the situation, though I see you wanted to go another way. That’s fine - and not unexpected given your posts to me in this and the Mary Sue thread (where you quoted a post of mine yet removed the humour parts, hence also the context). But like I said, not unexpected.

As for the “I’ll repeat it again as you do seem hard of hearing” jibe as some sort of lazy innuendo / stigma that deaf people are mentally / intellectually inferior or somehow ‘can’t / don’t get it’… go fuck yourself. I’ll happily take a ban for that.

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#1264333
Topic
Best Explanation Of Mary Sue Issue
Time

Valheru_84 said:

oojason said:
I bring ‘just the facts, Sir/Ma’am’

No just an opinion based on not even half the video.

To be continued tomorrow…(once I’ve had some sleep)

No mate, it won’t. I only came back in here to ask if Darth Muffy was a member on TrekBBS (I may know him/her on there) given the same topic discussed there.

Why you felt the need to misquote (or rather miss out the winky face and joke Dragnet reference), I don’t know - though given your abrasive attitude to members who have a different opinion than yourself with on here I don’t care.

You also missed the factual part of my earlier post 😉

Have a good 'un.

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#1264332
Topic
The Random <em>Star Wars</em> Pics &amp; GIFs Thread
Time

Valheru_84 said:

I AM trying to debate the issue without effectively having to repeat myself as I can’t understand your response in the context that you have supposedly read my reply. You are dismissive and make statements that appear to ignore the additional clarification and detail that I already provided to give you insight into my perspective where my opinion stems from and the contributing factors. Your responses do not present to me as someone that has read and tried to understand what I actually said.

To try and put it simply:

  • Perhaps “sensation” was inaccurate in the picture it painted but it seemed an apt enough approximation at the time due to the amount of places and mediums I have seen it appear in, many of which are mainstream. I don’t believe it ever featured in my local town news channel but my point was if you search for it there are countless references, many of them big or well known names and brands. Regardless of the actors tone, they were talking about it and on camera which means it was public knowledge and a topic viewable to many Star Wars fans that would view such content. I can’t help it if you and Ray haven’t come across it, you asked for examples and I provided 6. The burden of proof works both ways, it’s your turn to get educated on the matter before you continue to summarily dismiss it.

  • Pando Lando is what the public and media termed it as when Jonathan Kasdan answered a direct question from a journalist on whether Lando was pansexual which he confirmed.

  • I’ve already stated what I object to which has nothing to do with homosexual, bisexual or pansexual characters but the retconning of a classic character and the fact that the term in itself is misleading and when I think about it now, it could be offensive to actual pansexuals because of what it is actually alluding to in the movie which has nothing to do with pansexuality and is disgusting, depraved and hardly the type of thing to include in a Star Wars movie which will be watched by little kids and that is the act of sexual activity with a robot called L33T.

  • My response to Snooker was because I already clearly stated my views on homosexuals and of which any sexual representation in a movie is normally only shown in M15+ rated movies where you are supposed to be 15 years or older to view and it is not expected to be watched by little kids (ie. 3-10 year olds).

  • My issue with the meme was simply a passing observation of my less than enthused thoughts on it that I did not expect anyone here to be completely ignorant of seeing how prolific it has featured in media. In fact, if you understand the context of the meme “It works every time” as in getting the “ladies” but with L33T hanging off of his shoulder instead of a woman, then you understand the reference and where I am coming from and I again have to wonder as to the genuine nature of your supposed ignorance on the matter. Just think about it - why would you insinuate a sexual relationship between a Star Wars character and a robot and not just any character but freaking Lando Calrissian?!

  • I never would have gone to such lengths to explain the situation or myself if I didn’t feel I had to after Screams accused me of referring to pansexuals as “it” and also asking why pansexuals bothered me, rather than seeing the multitude of issues tied to the name and idea, not the sexuality.

  • I’ve got no issue with pansexuals in sci-fi or in general. If you try to make me repeat this a 3rd time by saying you “read what I said just fine” I will not be happy. You can’t say now that I haven’t warned you.

Valheru_84 said:
I don’t have a problem myself if there are homosexual, bisexual or pansexual characters in movies. If that is the character and it plays to the story at hand and isn’t shoved in my face just so no one can miss that the movie makers ensured the “representation” box was ticked, then that’s fine.

I do apologise for now taking this thread off topic but I am immensely frustrated by these attempts to make me out as some kind of unreasonable homo/panphobe.

Val

If my post above has resulted in you being ‘immensely frustrated by these attempts to make me out as some kind of unreasonable homo/panphobe’ you likely need to re-read my post and point out which parts of it make you feel that way - because it seems from your reaction to it you may have some issues with something out side of my post.

Warning me? My ignorance? Get educated? Do yourself a favour and grow up - or get past whatever issues you have previous with me, or others who may have a differing opinion or view to which you hold. And maybe stop looking for a fight (or issues) where there isn’t one.
 

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#1264321
Topic
Best Explanation Of Mary Sue Issue
Time

Darth Muffy said:

Hi Val,
yes to both.

Hi oojason,
Thanks for your lengthy views on this as always theres no right or wrong answer here.
I guess Yoda & Luke sum it up best when entering threads like this …

Whats in there

Cheers man - I bring ‘just the facts, Sir/Ma’am’ 😉

btw - are you on TrekBBS too? Been trying to remember where I’d seen this video already discussed elsewhere - though couldn’t quite place it until I came across it on TBBS this morning.
 

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#1264277
Topic
The Random <em>Star Wars</em> Pics &amp; GIFs Thread
Time

Valheru_84 said:

Sorry but it’s clear both of you haven’t actually read my posts, maybe you glanced over them and made some assumptions at best as neither make sense in context to what I actually said. Please pay me the respect of at least reading them properly and with an open mind before replying with something that addresses what I actually said.

What you said Snooker is especially out of line as it’s completely counter to what I said and almost comes off as an attack on my character. You’re either unaware of what I said due to not actually reading it or you are flat out calling me a deceitful liar. Which is it?

Val

I read what you said just fine. If you have an issue with what I said then take issue with it - though not by accusing me of not actually reading your posts (despite referencing your own words in them) - or not keeping an open mind - in a post which asks reasonable questions, IMHO.

Now, if you have an issue with what I posted then let’s hear it - if you think I’ve misread or misinterpreted your posts then please say why - but let’s not hear the above baseless accusations and supposition from yourself.

Try and debate the point (which you’ve ignored) - not the person. And keep it civil, man.
 

Btw was Snooker talking to me or you (or just making a general point)? Did you ask Snooks to clarify which before you jumped in and stated they were either calling you a deceitful liar or are unaware of what you said? (it can ONLY be one of those two options according to you…)
 


 

Edit…

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#1264233
Topic
The Random <em>Star Wars</em> Pics &amp; GIFs Thread
Time

Valheru_84 said:

ray_afraid said:

Valheru_84 said:

it created such a media sensation.

I’ve never once heard/seen it mentioned outside of this site…

Then you simply haven’t been looking or stumbled across the articles online. These are the first mainstream ones I can across after searching “Jonathan Kasdan Pando Lando”:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2018/5/17/17365604/lando-calrissian-sexuality-solo-star-wars-jonathan-kasdan

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5af77d59e4b00d7e4c1b37a9/amp

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/5/17/17366002/lando-calrissian-solo-a-star-wars-story

Val

It ‘created such a media sensation’ that we have to search for the actual term on an online search engine? 😉

I’ve never heard of ‘Pando Lando’ before you mentioned it. Seems much ado about nothing to me (or chance to clickbait for some who are into that type of thing). I imagine most 12 years olds (and over) will take it as the actors referred to the question/statement did - a bit of a joke.

Are you really bothered by it and worried for the children when a spoof/riff Lando pic appears on here (and there are many of that Colt 45 image) - or this particular one enters popular culture - as you put it? I imagine many wouldn’t give it a second thought. Seems many didn’t either for Captain Jack from Doctor Who, or others in sci-fi who are pansexual.

Anyway, back to the pics…
 

^ from https://imgur.com/gallery/lliM0al

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#1264230
Topic
Best Explanation Of Mary Sue Issue
Time

Ugh, another video that selectively attempts to make logical points whilst managing to ignore facts established onscreen… great. The title ‘Rey and the sad devolution of the female character’ - does the video highlight or categorise the devolution of female characters? It seems not - it certainly didn’t within the first 6 and bit minutes of the video…

Hasn’t this circular and repetitive type of attempting to place an agenda as fact been done to death in both the TLJ threads? It needed a new thread for a further continuation of the same old endless stuff?
 

Oh well.

5.30 into the video - TLJ’s The Throne Room… the youtuber says ‘and what further compounds the unbelievable nature of this character is that Rey gets herself out of this problem all by herself. She manages to best Snoke’s guards - guards that are no doubt some of the best, most elite warriors, in the Galaxy - clearly trained to fight force sensitive beings, since they have weapons designed to work against lightsabers. Not to mention they get the best of Kylo Ren at one point which shows how skilled they must be. Rey however, wielding a lightsaber for the 2nd time in combat, is going toe-to-toe with them pretty well and only takes a small cut on the arm - even though about a week ago she was fighting off thugs on Jakku with a staff - which, mind you, is completely believable since she no doubt would have leanrt some level of self-defence to survive on such a harsh planet. How self-defence against thugs translates into besting the elite guards of the most powerful being in the galaxy… just a week later… is beyond me.’

^ ignoring the fact that has been made on many previous occasions that without Kylo to save her… Snoke could have easily killed her at any time he pleased otherwise - Snoke was literally playing with her and moving her around the room at will - and if not for Snoke’s over-confidence and Kylo’s play for power would have certainly died. Also ignoring since that last week on Jakku she now has knowledge and an understanding of The Force - (she is erm… literally The Force Awakening…) and has been shown on screen to have a strong ability to mimic the skills she sees or is subjected upon her - as well as also ‘letting The Force in’ during a fight against Kylo to which she was losing badly and on the back foot throughout before doing so. Rey has also had some tutelage and understanding of The Force from someone who also previously quickly became attuned to using The Force in a short a space of time. Not withstanding that Kylo takes the majority of guards out, and the two of them working together as a team enables them to extricate themselves out of the situation - whereas the guards seems to attack them individually (in the main). I’d also state at various points in the fight it didn’t look good for them - it doesn’t appear to be a ‘by the numbers’ or easy fight to win for either of them - and without teaming up and helping each other they seemingly could have easily lost to Snoke’s guards (not that the script demands anything else in the middle part of the Trilogy of which they are two of the big players in it 😉).

This is apparently ‘beyond’ the youtuber (not the script thing - but the rest of the above) - all of which occurred on screen and was somehow ignored - or maybe he has not realised what has actually happened?

And at this point (6 and a bit minutes in - half-way through the video)… after viewing far too many of these type of selectively done clickbait videos on TLJ I’ll stop there. I’ve wasted more than enough time watching these things (that’s not to say there are no good videos with logical and reasoned criticisms of Rey as a character out there - there are). This video certainly isn’t one of them.

‘Best explanation of the Mary Sue issue’? That must take place in the last 5 and bit minutes - though I don’t holdout much hope it does - more likely it’ll suggest something we’ve been told to expect but hasn’t happened in the eyes / satisfaction of the youtuber making this video - no doubt with a claim / mention of her being perfect / a Mary Sue - ignoring the events listed above amongst other shortcomings shown onscreen (including that without Kylo Ren turning against Snoke she’d likely be dead). If the ‘Best explanation of the Mary Sue issue’ didn’t take place in the last 5 and bit minutes… £$€s to the youtuber - a job well done for him.
 

Woah. Some Deja vu right there - seems like some of us have been here before… 😉

I think I’ll put a stop to that on my part and leave this thread - though fair play to many of the posts in here - made for some interesting reading, decent points of view and takes on events - though descended into the usual personal digs when posters started playing off vs each other - and no longer debated the actual points made. Shame that.
 

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#1264205
Topic
Movies/TV Shows/Docs That's on your need to see list.
Time

True Detective - Season 3; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btoZfxs0pE0

Thankfully the good people of the UK only have to wait a day longer than our US friends (which’ll hopefully limit the likelihood of coming across spoilers etc) 😃
 

Edit: For me the first two episodes were really intriguing and compelling tv; a return to the feel, vibe and quality levels on Season 1. Very much looking forward to the remainder of this season…
 

Post
#1264137
Topic
The Chronological Star Wars – A Year-Long Critical Reappraisal
Time

I’ve only read the Holiday Special, Ewok and Droids, and Ewok films articles (so far) - though have found them really enjoyable and illuminating to read - especially as there is so little information and content around on Ewok and Droids cartoons.

Loving the cool layout and concise style too 😃

Looking forward to reading the Clone Wars and Phantom Menace articles up next - good luck in this chronological endeavour.
 

Post
#1264118
Topic
Star Wars <strong>Fan Films</strong> / Shorts - a general discussion thread
Time

Squad Leader TD-73028 Soliloquy’…

https://vimeo.com/310747013 - an 8 minute video at the Maxime-Claude L’Écuyer vimeo channel

(An 8 minute Star Wars meets Shakespeare Short Film - just a heads-up it’s subject matter centres around suicide and the consideration thereof)
 

'To be or not to be: Star Wars meets Shakespeare. Hamlet’s famous soliloquy is presented as the inner voice of a Stormtrooper, demonstrating the way Shakespeare’s language still echoes down to us through the centuries and remains as relevant today as ever—not to mention as well in a galaxy far, far away…

Être ou ne pas être », telle est la question. C’est à cette improbable rencontre entre Star Wars et Shakespeare que le film nous convie, en revisitant le célèbre soliloque d’Hamlet. Mettant en lumière cette résonnance contemporaine dans l’écriture shakespearienne qui a traversé les siècles, gardant toute sa force et sa justesse ici, maintenant, et dans une galaxie pas si lointaine, finalement…’
 

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#1263912
Topic
Rogue One: * visual database * of shots not in the final cut
Time

Truly superb work, spoRv 👍
 

I think you’ve already covered most (if not all) of the publicised scene changes to Rogue One, though I hope this may be of some small help too:-

From the ‘Rogue One : A Star Wars Story - film & fan art, + covers etc’ thread…

 

Rogue One : Celebration 2015 Teaser Trailer - www.dailymotion.com/video/x2nbjz3 (For more than a thousand generations…)

Rogue One : Official Teaser Preview - www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaYv3Y8tyoQ
Rogue One : Official Trailer Teaser - www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BDyeARyIkw
Rogue One : Official Teaser Trailer - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg

Rogue One : Celebration 2016 Panel - www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU9556YKZnU (with use of Star Wars '77 opening crawl…)
Rogue One : Celebration 2016 Sizzle Reel - www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUb_zpdyDpU&
Rogue One : ABC 2016 Sizzle Reel - www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjALLJwjUQw

Rogue One : Official Trailer 1 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=frdj1zb9sMY
Rogue One : Official Trailer 2 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC9abcLLQpI

Rogue One : Official International Trailer 1 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BLwIsp-7uo
Rogue One : Official International Trailer 2 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruSwqmVVt3E
Rogue One : Official International Trailer 3 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ae0SO2gp6c
Rogue One : Official International Trailer 4 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXMA5UxZdbE
Rogue One : Official International Trailer 5 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=00WjmAry4Ks

Rogue One : Korean Trailer www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU-ugH7fppA
Rogue One : Chinese Trailer - www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-TpMXQojRA

Rogue One : Story featurette - www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSeovXwmOR0&
Rogue One : Living In Star Wars featurette - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js4ia1g4GMU
Rogue One : Creatures featurette - www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2N0Mn4i4Dw
Rogue One : Introducing Jyn Erso featurette - www.youtube.com/watch?v=xynhtKLc88E
Rogue One : Musical Scoring featurette - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gisdw0zJu-U
Rogue One : K-2SO featurette - www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdoKlFAIxdY
Rogue One : Made Great In Britain featurette - www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZjXCGjPg4Y
Rogue One : Paradise featurette - www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtAegiAnbxY
Rogue One : Locations featurette - www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzY8Mi4G04g

Rogue One : Exclusive Look (Disney Holiday Celebration / Thanksgiving) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJMNUeAyKlM
Rogue One : Walmart commercial - www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgLXdOcLxRM
Rogue One : Duracell commercial - www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtiHIGZQ6Z4
Rogue One : Nissan Rogue commercial - www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB42bPHOtZ8
Rogue One : Gillette commercial - www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9UrRKkSNqc
Rogue One : Calling All Pilots (design your own X-Wing helmet + put your face in it) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVpMpleh1Ow

Rogue One : Jyn, Cassian and K-2SO on Jedha clip - https://streamable.com/ydfw
Rogue One : Trust Goes Both Ways clip - www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Udcffrexw
Rogue One : Jyn rallies the Rebel Alliance clip (featuring an old face) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEGpYB1y8Aw
Rogue One : Come Back clip - https://streamable.com/kjmj
Rogue One : Call Sign clip - www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH_Ru5vC_D0
Rogue One : Chance Of Failure clip - https://streamable.com/s3ak
Rogue One : Jyn Is Rescued clip - https://streamable.com/jhzh

Rogue One : TV Spot 1 (Rebellion) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=11IJQi9__cQ
Rogue One : TV Spot 2 (Together) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVJtP2qYMQ0
Rogue One : TV Spot 3 (Hope) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yLOid9iiwE
Rogue One : TV Spot 4 (Welcome To The Rebellion) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFulQQs75-s
Rogue One : TV Spot 5 (Help) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=75UYB9_jlko
Rogue One : TV Spot 6 (Recruiting) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0GdCBjflpQ
Rogue One : TV Spot 7 (Greatest Weapon) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmO6rlMXkF8
Rogue One : TV Spot 8 (Dream) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcwsDJhrREU
Rogue One : TV Spot 9 (Protect) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nmp1qn7aro
Rogue One : TV Spot 10 (Jyn & Cassian) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=uss2S4cFVbQ
Rogue One : TV Spot 11 (Time To Fight) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQmV2UVJMjE
Rogue One : TV Spot 12 (Contact) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDa4YLzoOp0
Rogue One : TV Spot 13 (K-2SO) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PYbFA804rY
Rogue One : TV Spot 14 (Trained To Fight) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbVofXyLNL4
Rogue One : TV Spot 15 (Trust) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWNvdoRnNv8
Rogue One : TV Spot 16 (Breath) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBNc7Pz35OA
Rogue One : TV Spot 17 (The Death Star) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVVCVXs1Nt0
Rogue One : TV Spot 18 (Breath 2) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-y5hUMy_0E
Rogue One : TV Spot 19 (Come Back) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTZL286S6fg
Rogue One : TV Spot 20 (Chirrut Imwe) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2j1kanw4AU
Rogue One : TV Spot 21 (Hope Begins) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZCKwq_VBPI
Rogue One : TV Spot 22 (Save The Rebellion) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ierkpM-4kI
Rogue One : TV Spot 23 (Surrender) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgucwZoQuEw
Rogue One : TV Spot 24 (Believe) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPOsj8QQhBM
Rogue One : TV Spot 25 (Trouble) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSvYaf9JTtA
Rogue One : TV Spot 26 (Are You With Me?) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nnOnRh9hl0
Rogue One : TV Spot 27 (Y-Wings) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NHiTTmxR60
Rogue One : TV Spot 28 (Necessary) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubrE5uqzy4k
Rogue One : TV Spot 29 (IMAX trailer) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=axebIgoIieQ
Rogue One : TV Spot 30 (Beautiful) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj3O-7eczcY
Rogue One : TV Spot 31 (Father) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5qXRGg1nUY
Rogue One : TV Spot 32 (Bad Idea) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=LebebyD9QnM
Rogue One : TV Spot 33 (It’s Started) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMwPMUbRBAg
Rogue One : TV Spot 34 (Gear Up) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzKj4O4U8NY
Rogue One : TV Spot 35 (Necessary) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0-aQkwAdKw
Rogue One : TV Spot 36 (Chance) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9_nvBrMsVI
Rogue One : TV Spot 37 (Scarif Battle) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Mv8hfdYjU
Rogue One : TV Spot 38 (Trained To Fight) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAI7AtPt2U4
Rogue One : TV Spot 39 (Critics Rave) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPbB1o5vWEQ
Rogue One : TV Spot 40 (Exciting / Tomorrow Night) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPq201NCBbo

‘Rogue One : A Star Wars Story - all TV Spots’ - www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7h2LYGq_c4 (14 minutes long)

Rogue One : 10 Days… ‘a’ - www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2MuIOtTH1U
Rogue One : 10 Days… ‘b’ - www.youtube.com/watch?v=70sbGTzwptg
Rogue One : 5 Days… ‘a’ - www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzAEgWXVmiI
Rogue One : 5 Days… ‘b’ - https://streamable.com/bp7v
Rogue One : This Friday… ‘a’ (Thursday in the UK) - https://streamable.com/wuj4
Rogue One : This Friday… ‘b’ (Thursday in the UK) - https://streamable.com/duy4
Rogue One : Monday Night Football TV Spot - https://streamable.com/1k2y
Rogue One : Tonight - www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-VfLrvUTlM

Rogue One : Soundtrack Track List - http://screenrant.com/star-wars-rogue-one-soundtrack-tracklist

Rogue One : In-Home Trailer - www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwPgQucl4QA
Rogue One : “Darth Vader” featurette - www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7ZHjiyUoWY

Rogue One : LEGO trailer - www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjTkqg8QFd4

 

Miscellaneous youtube videos with promo / deleted / altered scenes not in the final cut of Rogue One:-

Rogue One : 46 shots not in the final film - https://vimeo.com/196155136
Rogue One : All the Footage From the Rogue One Trailers Cut From the Film - www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJZjqmmL-24
Rogue One : Deleted Scenes (promo material not in the film itself) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tAJhH2_uZE
Rogue One : Reshoots - Deleted Trailer Scenes Not In The Movie - www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9Y2DbVEs-c
Rogue One : Deleted and Altered Scenes - www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8_LGhfltWA
Rogue One : DELETED SCENES & Reshoots - www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c6oD8xXMl8
Rogue One : ALTERNATE ENDING THEORY (Deleted Scenes from Trailers) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv3kVMiMMZ4
Rogue One : Scenes Show A Very Different Original Ending? - www.youtube.com/watch?v=xONENbOaUZg
Rogue One : Deleted Scenes, Rejected Concepts & Darth Vader’s Castle - www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMdGx1U_Pqo
 

There may be some additional footage, links, or articles etc in these OriginalTrilogy•com discussion threads too…

Rogue Zero - What was changed, reshot, etc in Rogue One?
Info Wanted: Rogue One differences from Theatrical Cut?
Rogue One * Spoilers * Thread (especially around Page 60-61?)
Rogue One : A Star Wars Story - film & fan art, + covers etc (and scroll down)
The Beyond the OT Trailers/Promos Thread (YouTube/Vimeo, etc. finds) - for Rogue One
 

Possibly also some scenes included from these early official events with the cast / VFX & ILM artists?:-

Rogue One: A Star Wars Story Panel | Star Wars Celebration Europe 2016 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU9556YKZnU
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story LIVE Cast Twitter Q&A FULL Panel Dec 2 2016 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2VEuSGOCWM
The Cast of Rogue One Visits The Star Wars Show and More! | The Star Wars Show - www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXn2AjBQeFg
Rogue One Secrets Explained | The Star Wars Show - www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7AuVg8OL3A
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story | A Chain Reaction - www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeEU61EIgzk
ILM: Behind the Magic in Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBvi8opWTiQ
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story “Designing the U-wing” - www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGyOenuNmIw
Gareth Edwards Interview | Star Wars Celebration Europe 2016 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3G9ihlQ9KU
Gareth Edwards Interview, Rogue One Red Carpet Live Announce - www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1kGd7stocY
Live From The Rogue One Red Carpet - www.youtube.com/watch?v=198ijL6HnLA
Rogue One: All Behind the Scenes - www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpH7ULsQIuw
Rogue One: A Star Wars Panel - Wizard World Virtual Experiences 2020 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rvVObn7pp8
Rogue One: Watch-Along and Q&A w/Writers Gary Whitta and Chris Weitz - www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m1IX0k7Dak
 

Some online articles here (from around the time of Rogue One’s theatrical release)

www.premiere.fr/Cinema/News-Cinema/Douze-plans-des-trailers-de-Star-Wars-Rogue-One-qui-ne-sont-pas-dans-le-film
www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-missing-trailer-footage
http://collider.com/rogue-one-deleted-scenes-trailers/#teaser-trailer
www.thewrap.com/ben-mendelsohn-rogue-one-different
www.starwarsunderworld.com/2017/01/new-images-from-rogue-one-deleted.html
http://io9.gizmodo.com/why-the-rogue-one-trailers-most-iconic-shot-never-appea-1790910745
https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/rogue-ones-editors-reveal-scenes-added-in-the-star-wars-standalone-reshoots-exclusive-110124381.html
https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/original-rogue-one-screenplay-had-much-happier-much-different-ending-235717781.html
www.provideocoalition.com/art-of-the-cut-rogue-one
www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/5ig950/shotslines_in_the_rogue_one_teaser_that_arent_in
www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/5ilwpr/rogue_one_removed_edited_changed_scenes_from_all
www.indiewire.com/2019/03/rogue-one-death-star-chris-weitz-script-changes-1202051868

 

^ all links and videos updated, fixed, and now working as of… 7th September, 2021.

 

Hopefully, one day soon (though probably a long time to come) we can also look forward seeing Gareth Edwards’ untouched version of Rogue One an another option for watching the film…

 

Rogue One trailer but it’s only scenes that were cut from the movie - 3 minute video from ImpulseOfTheFuture youtube channel
 

Post
#1263537
Topic
<strong>Star Wars: Resistance</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread
Time

Star Wars Resistance Season 1 - Mid-Season Trailer’…

‘The First Order has arrived, and it’s up to Kaz to rally his friends to defend the Colossus. Get your first look at what’s next for Star Wars Resistance this season in a harrowing mid-season trailer, and tune in when Star Wars Resistance returns on Sunday, January 13 on Disney Channel!’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Pls-vYWwM

 


 

Star Wars Resistance Renewed for Season 2 on Disney Channel’…

‘The second season is due to air in the fall of 2019.’

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/star-wars-resistance-renewed-season-2-disney-channel-1174728
 

Edit: and here https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-resistance-season-two-confirmed-mid-season-one-trailer-debuts
 

Post
#1263533
Topic
Help: looking for... 'Rogue One - Where Rebels Dare' - by TM2YC
Time

https://ifdb.fanedit.org/star-wars-rogue-one-where-rebels-dare/

 
^ according to the above… TM2YC is the editor of that project. He is a member here too - so may be worth politely PM’ing him to ask if he can be of assistance.

Good luck with it man - let us know what you think of it - always on the lookout for good Rogue One edits 😃
 

Post
#1263529
Topic
Obi_Wan's Reaction in Star Wars IV
Time

Nice thread crpl_hicks 😃

For me it is No. 3 - ‘Alec Guinness did this subtle hesitation out of pure acting skill.’
 

His acting ability in the Trilogy and many other quality films he often lifts the scenes he is in, or the film itself - where conveying emotions, strength or resonance of character, or bringing innovation to his craft he was a step or 3 ahead of many actors around him.
 

Youtube videos with snippets of scenes set to music are ten a penny these days - though some still, like Mr Guinness himself, stand out from the crowd…

Obi-Wan Remembers The Truth - by Shahan

‘What Obi Wan told you was true, from a certain point of view…’