But it’s not in cold blood. Even in the original cut, it’s very clear that Han’s in serious poop. He’s held at gun point and Greedo made a not so subtle threat against his life moments earlier (“Over my dead body.” - “That’s the idea…”).
But otherwise, yes. Han shoots. Period.
But it WASN’T in cold blood! Greedo just told him he was gonna take his ship and kill him. Han was saving his own life.
I don’t know how this has become so hard to understand…
[edit- didn’t see Humdingers post. Glad to see some one else gets what’s actually happening in that scene.
Just have Greedo’s lifeless, twitching corpse shoot second.
^lol . Greedo Maclunkeyed ,and only Greedo Macklunkeyed, and then Han straight up blasted his ass ! 😃
My prediction God forbid they should change this scene again is Greedo fires and the shot ricochets off the wall and kills him. Han never fires at all.
^ a Special Edition version of Han vs Greedo - and obviously not the original scene from the original unaltered theatrical cut.
Han vs Greedo (2004)
Question: Why is Greedo different? (2004)
Greedo (2004)
Yes, I bet you have! (2004)
Why do people think Han changed if/when he Greedo shot first? (2006)
An exact quote from Lucas on Greedo shooting first (2006)
Lucas wearing “Han shot first” shirt during Indy IV production (2007; and it also being on sale at the official Star Wars store)
What was your first reaction to Greedo shooting first? (2012)
Lucas is just trolling now - THR Interview (2012; with George re-iterating his disproven claim that Greedo always shot first)
Greedo: “Han shot first” (2016; says the actor who played Greedo on set…)
Maclunkey (2019; the 5th version of Han vs Greedo. Also this thread…)
Han Shoots First - Any valid reason to not have Han shoot first? (2021)
Possible ‘proof’ that Greedo was always meant to shoot (2020; more of author & SW ‘historian’ Paul Duncan’s revisionist claims)
Greedo Shot First? (2019; Lucas’ claims debunked again; frame by frame comparisons, GIF’s, the whole 9 yards) - by doubleofive
Making A SWVC YouTube Video on Han v Greedo (2020; by doubleofive)
^ If anyone knows of any more dedicated threads on here covering the subject of ‘Han vs Greedo / Han Shoots First’ in Star Wars please me know, or post it below, and I will add it to the above list - thank you.
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Also of note is this abridged twitter conversation between Star Wars ‘historian’ Paul Duncan (author of the two $200 official ‘Star Wars Archives’ books on the Original & Prequel Trilogies) and TyRuben Ellingson (Visual Effects Art Director at ILM for the 1997 Special Edition) stating that…
Paul Duncan posts…
‘George Lucas: “It was always meant that Greedo fired first. People thought we should leave that ambiguous, but I didn’t like the idea that practically the first thing Han Solo does is gun someone down in cold blood.”’
TyRuben Ellingson replies…
‘I don’t buy it. In our first meeting on the New Hope Special Edition, GWL [Lucas] walked Dennis and me through all the changes and improvements he’d been considering, and he never mentioned Greedo shooting first.’
TyRuben Ellingson continuing on…
‘In those early days, Tiemens and Hull (both of whom I brought onto the project – as well as Terry Whitlatch) worked under my supervision, and as such, I was fully aware of the totality of the changes moving through the facility.’
‘Remember also that, it was around this same time that Steven decided to remove guns from ET – and – for the first time – both men were raising kids of their own.’
To which Paul Duncan concedes…
‘It looks like George made a few changes for SW at the beginning, and then added more as time went on. Yes, I agree that raising children probably made him more sensitive to the violence.’
^ which is certainly at odds with his own original re-posting of the much derided and previously debunked original claim by George Lucas that:-
“It was always meant that Greedo fired first”.
To say nothing of the Visual Effects Art Director at ILM for the 1997 Special Edition not believing George’s claim either.
The above conversation thread in full can be seen here - https://twitter.com/TyRuben/status/1322308642209697792
In case it is deleted (Paul Duncan seemingly does often delete tweets where his claims or posts are disproved), a screenshot can be found here…
Star Wars Greedo scene Comparison 1977-2011 - a 27 second video at the TheStarWarsTrilogy•com youtube channel.
Han/Greedo Scene New 2019 Disney+ Change Comparison (Maclunkey) - a 1 minute video at the SparkySywer youtube channel.
Han Solo vs Greedo: “Lost Cut” Edit - an 80 second video at the Booman youtube channel. More info is in the video description.
Maybe there will more changes made to the ‘Han vs Greedo’ scene again…?
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But it’s not in cold blood. Even in the original cut, it’s very clear that Han’s in serious poop. He’s held at gun point and Greedo made a not so subtle threat against his life moments earlier (“Over my dead body.” - “That’s the idea…”).
But otherwise, yes. Han shoots. Period.
Sorry my friend. I thought it was joke and suited for this thread as screams in the void said “have fun with it” in his open post.
My prediction God forbid they should change this scene again is Greedo fires and the shot ricochets off the wall and kills him. Han never fires at all.
^ A very good idea for version 6 of the ‘Greedo vs Han’ scene! Just as Lucas always wanted to do when making film 😃
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But it does make me wonder if Lucasfilm actually has some psuedo-vocabulary they use for simple Huttese when writing alien dialogue for the actors/voice actors to speak, and the variations are just due actors pronouncing words slightly different or loose translations.
I went and dug out my copy of the Galactic Phrase Book & Travel Guide. Here’s Ben Burtt on the creation of languages in Star Wars:
Returning to the early development of alien speech in Star Wars, I listened to recordings of many foreign languages and found inspiration among many that were entertaining and exotic to my ears. I auditioned language sample tapes from university linguistics departments. I combed through recorded language lessons and even monitored shortwave transmissions from around the world just to get ideas. I especially enjoyed listening to shortwave, because the aberrations and distortions of speech produced by sidebanding and mistuned transmissions gave me many ideas for electronic processing. These I exploited along the way.
Part of my research was to identify interesting real languages to use as a basis for alien ones. The advantage of using a real language is that it possesses built-in credibility. A real language has all the style, consistency, and unique character that only centuries of cultural evolution can bring. I found that if I relied on my familiarity with English, my imagined “alien” language would just be a reworking of the all-too-familiar phonemes of everyday general American speech. I had to break those boundaries, to search for language sounds that were uncommon and even unpronounceable by most of the general audience.
To this end I searched and found several fascinating possibilities. First came Huttese, which I needed for Greedo when he confronted Han Solo in the Mos Eisley cantina. I heard some recordings of Quechua, an ancient native language of Peru. Some phrases had a comic rhyming. It had a musical intonation. There were smacking sounds and clicks not a common part of speech or of any of the familiar Romance languages. I collected recordings of Quechua and searched for someone who could speak the language.
Out of this research came a linguistics graduate student from Berkeley. His name was Larry Ward, and he already could speak eleven languages, though Quechua wasn’t one of them. But Larry was gifted with the talent of mimicking any language. He could listen to Quechua, and then reproduce a stream of sound that would convince you he was speaking fluently. In fact, it was all double-talk, and this was a major discovery for me.
I got together with Larry and reviewed all I had in Quechua. We wrote down the sounds phonetically, invented and derived new sounds based on what we liked, and did some free-form recording sessions. From this activity, Huttese emerged. Once a collection of favorite words and phrases existed, I sat down and carefully studied Greedo’s mouth movements in the cut scene. I wrote out phrases and recorded with Larry specific sentences that were timed to Greedo’s movement. Having Greedo speak a humanlike language wasn’t actually George Lucas’s first choice. At first Greedo was supposed to speak with an electronic, insectlike sound. Then for a while, he spoke in a staccato “oink-oink” language that was created by George and me “oinking” simultaneously into the microphone. The fake Quechua came late in the process.
After recording a good take of each line and editing it to fit Greedo’s snout movement, I made two identical loops of each line. I would play the two copies back in sync, then drag my thumb on the reel of one copy, knocking it a few milliseconds out of sync. The blend of the two slightly out-of-sync recordings produced a phasing effect, or “comb filtering,” as it is also called. It gave the sound a tubular quality that was consistent with a sound generated in Greedo’s long snout. The result was immediately a hit with George and everybody on the crew. Pretty soon everyone was greeting each other in the editing room with the phrase “Koona t’chuta, Solo?” At that point I knew we had a success with Huttese, but I never realized it was going to be taken so much further in the subsequent films.
From there he’s built pretty hefty vocabularies for the various Star Wars languages which are cataloged in the book. Highly recommend it if you’re curious!
One man, shooting solo.
“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”
‘OH MY GOD IT WAS CHANGED AGAIN - “Maclunkey” - Star Wars Changes’:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wFNyaCGpvk - by the HelloGreedo youtube channel
‘What year is it? I thought we were done talking about who shot first!? Little did we know, another change was waiting to hit us out of nowhere. I don’t think anyone predicted yet ANOTHER change would be made to the Mos Eisley cantina scene when the Star Wars films were released on Disney+. But they were. Greedo now says “MACLUNKEY”, and apparently George Lucas made this scene prior to the Disney acquisition of Star Wars. I sure didn’t think I’d be making another Star Wars Changes video again…’
Tighten Up and then turn it all the way up to 11!
HelloGreedo is awesome. And I hate to be “that guy”, but I did put out a video on my YT channel that’s more comprehensive on the Disney+ changes.
Check it out if you have a sec: https://youtu.be/ESuLxJJFZtE
My YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXnq2soRMB-8vqvL-6NHIOg
HelloGreedo is awesome. And I hate to be “that guy”, but I did put out a video on my YT channel that’s more comprehensive on the Disney+ changes.
Check it out if you have a sec: https://youtu.be/ESuLxJJFZtE
Superb!
Though you talk vey very quickly for a non-English person to understand - can there be subtitles / closed captions for your video, please? (It is not so much a problem as the video can be paused but subtitles would be a great addition!)
It is a series of very good videos otherwise - even the Prequel Trilogy video 😃
Have you thought of making your own thread on here to discuss your videos? To discuss how & why you did them - maybe plans for future channel content, etc?
I had a Maclunkey tee made!
“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK
^ awesome ! keeping the dream alive !
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vurwG3Mz5c
^ a 2 minute video from the Fordjuncker youtube channel.
‘BREAKING: Greedo shouting “Maclunkey” isn’t the only major change to the Original #starwars trilogy on #DisneyPlus’…
https://twitter.com/ericfell/status/1194200262019170304 (a 45 second video)
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I’ve seen a shirt that has Han’s blaster and over the gun it says “Han Shot” and underneath the gun it says “The End.”
Wish I knew where that guy got it.
‘BREAKING: Greedo shouting “Maclunkey” isn’t the only major change to the Original #starwars trilogy on #DisneyPlus’…
^ lol ! that last one was awesome !
