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Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes

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I am working on upgrading/expanding/completing the Special Edition visual changes for eventual use on savestarwars.com, but figured I’d share it outside of that thread for those interested. I used WookieGroomer’s Splitscreen 1080p wmv to take the frame-by-frame shots, and msycamore provided the 1997 screencaps.

Star Wars 1977/2011

I’m still tweaking it, especially the text. Please submit suggestions for possible text and let me know if I missed anything.

The most interesting thing we’ve noticed is that each wipe from 2004 starts early enough to cover up the original optical wipe and the fades from black start a lot later, almost as if they were trying to cover up the original wipes instead of recreating them. This goes against all previously known facts about the wipes.

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK:

Empire Strikes Back 1980/2011

RETURN OF THE JEDI:

Return of the Jedi 1983/2011

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Why did they not erase the reflexion of the wall on the floor ?

You see ? We can see the relexion of the vertical columns of the wall which is no longer present in the SE !

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Good eye, I've never noticed that :-)

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You also have a CGI desert in that shot, it looks horrible.

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Yes, you can even see some computer generated sand blowing in the wind from the left of the frame.

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Well, what with the colour creative fuck-ups erm... decisions, there isn't a single unmolested shot in the 04 version.

 

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I think you can change the description to this comparison.

The original opening crawl had the text on 21 lines, so to still keep it as 21 lines when adding two new lines (Episode IV, A NEW HOPE) they simply changed the spacing of the words in the first two paragraphs of the text. That's my theory, but they still didn't get the timing exactly right as the music is now slightly out of sync with the reveal of Tatooine.

Secondly, the capitalization of "Rebel" was not done to match the first (the first Rebel starts a sentence, that's why it has a capital "R") I think it was done to match how it now was written in Empire, I also think they capitalized rebel when they revised the script to ANH in '79.

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You have done a good job on this, doubleofive. Several changes I didn't know existed, the alternate takes for example, very interesting.

I checked the '97 version for you, and I can confirm that this Alderaan shot is a 2004 alteration.

...and maybe you could use this pic for a better demonstration of this comparison and definitely change the description of it.

I like how they managed to erase a big part of the speeder in the process of "improving" this shot. ;) 

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ray_afraid said:

msycamore said:

I like how they managed to erase a big part of the speeder in the process of "improving" this shot. ;) 

I'm not seeing it...

The whole bottom of the speeder is completely shaved off, Look at how much thinner the new speeder looks compared to the old one.

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Thanks guys, that is a much better frame. I'll try to replace it tomorrow. Keep the suggestions/confirmations coming. This can't be all of them, can it?

Any way we can confirm the timing on the wipes or fades? Does the 97 fade to 3PO have as much blank screen as the 2004? That may be the easiest one to test.

EDIT: just realized that that was my frame, you just wanted me to replace the GOUT image with that one. Where did yours come from, so I can label it?

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It looks like it's from the JSC set.

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It's slightly thinner, helps give the speeder the illusion of a little more lft. Never been a big deal to me..

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Check this out:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_1WBvrwBY-EI/TIkheFqWMZI/AAAAAAAAFWU/cjbwHWzCc8Y/s400/Comp-126.jpg

It looks like the canopy is completely different. CG, you think?

EDIT: looking at it again, they may just have used a retimed original element.

I just finished going through and restoring the original captions back to their original wording (I kept my grammatical fixes as some of them were in present tense) and put them in quotes, with space for commentary at the bottom. I also more clearly labelled when the change first took place.

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doubleofive said:

Any way we can confirm the timing on the wipes or fades? Does the 97 fade to 3PO have as much blank screen as the 2004? That may be the easiest one to test.

EDIT: just realized that that was my frame, you just wanted me to replace the GOUT image with that one. Where did yours come from, so I can label it?

I'm not sure which fade you're talking about, I believe the wipes on the '04DVD is the same as on the '97SE, but I can of course check it for you.

Yes, that pic is from the JSC LD.

This is a '97 recomp, the '81 version only changed the opening scene and when it cuts to this shot it's back to '77 again.

I cannot see why they recomposited this shot, there is a different starfield but I can't see any significant improvement done, not to the blockade runner either, maybe the material was damaged or too dirty? Any ideas?

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msycamore said:

I'm not sure which fade you're talking about, I believe the wipes on the '04DVD is the same as on the '97SE, but I can of course check it for you.
I'm talking about this:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_1WBvrwBY-EI/TIk3vv4ecRI/AAAAAAAAFhg/dMinwhFcG7U/s400/Wipe-006.jpg

The 1977 version fades to 3PO almost completely before the 2004 version even starts, leaving black screen for a longer period of time. It's not an issue of the wipes being the same, its that the timing is different.

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I checked that fade to C-3PO in the oil bath and the timing is exactly the same on the '97 SE as in the '04 DVD.

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