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The 2006 GOUT DVD Release

The changes to the OT films & general 2006 GOUT DVD discussion thread…

 

 

Introduction:-

 
To any Rebels, Imperials, Guild Members and the dedicated scum and villainy from the OT•com reading this…
 

This is just one of a seven-part set of linked threads (see the end of this post for the links) to talk about each of the four main ‘Special Edition’ releases and the respective changes made to them over time - including a post for the original unaltered theatrical version, and also an unlikely scenario where “Somehow Lucas has returned!” with more changes made in yet another improbable future release.

The reason for these threads is try and help inform, educate and highlight any new fans who are unaware or are uninitiated with some the history of these continuing changes made to the three iconic Original Trilogy films (or be a reminder for me some of more forgetful members here). As well as highlighting a lack of release for the Original Trilogy films in their classic pre-1997 Special Edition version, and also about some of the changes & tweaks made to the groundbreaking and award-winning OT films from 1977 to 1996 too…

To serve as a centralised discussion and information thread for each of the main Original Trilogy releases… and also an archive of some of the quality threads and posts on the subject which has taken place on here down the years - as well as any useful, insightful or informative articles elsewhere.

Or a chance to just chat some more about the 2006 DVD release of the unaltered theatrical Original Trilogy 😃
 

Much credit to oojason for sending me his plans & ideas for the incomplete version of these threads - ‘I will finish what you started!’
 

Below is some hopefully useful & introductory information on the GOUT release (or simply a reminder for us oldies)… 😉

 
 

The Announcement (+ Promo material) for the 2006 GOUT bonus discs DVD release:-

 

‘The GOUT - aka the 2006 Original Trilogy DVD release’

(with the unaltered theatrical version of the OT films on bonus discs)
 

After a long campaign by Star Wars fans all over the world - and spearheaded by this very site since 2003…
 

…George Lucas finally gave in to the massive demand from fans for the unaltered theatrical version of the Original Trilogy - the version he said no longer existed anymore - to be released on DVD.

 

 

On 3rd May, 2006:

StarWars•com announcement that the unaltered theatrical version of the Original Trilogy would be released on DVD:-

^ StarWars•com’s actual post on the announcement can be found here - via the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine.

 

 

Rebels striking from a hidden base (sort of) have won their first victory - as acknowledged by Lucasfilm…

A screenshot image of the article on the Baltimore Sun website from the 5th May 2006, featuring quotes from Lucasfilm spokesman John Singh about the OriginalTrilogy•com - the passion of the fans here - as well as acknowledging that the theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy films are “…the movies that some fans have always wanted own, because they’re the ones they first saw in theaters.”…

 

 

An abridged screenshot image of Jay’s post on the OriginalTrilogy•com at the time:-

^ Jay’s actual post can be found here - via the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine (read from the bottom of the page to the top)

 

 

Then, later in May… came the news that coming unaltered theatrical version release on DVD would be in letterbox format - and not anamorphic widescreen. Followed by the reveal that the transfer would be from what was used for the 1993 Definitive Edition Laserdiscs - a 13 year old project and, even back then (in 2006), of substandard quality - using compressed sound and adding DVNR to reduce the picture quality and detail further.

Upon learning of this, the previous claims on Jim Ward, Lucasfilm’s VP, quoted in the official announcement as returning…

“to the Lucasfilm Archives to search exhaustively for source material that could be presented on DVD. This is something that we’re very excited to be able to give to fans in response to their continuing enthusiasm for Star Wars”

in the shade. Along his words of…

“Over the years, a truly countless number of fans have told us they would love to see and own the original version that they remember experiencing in theaters”

also ringing hollow.

 

Fans here and elsewhere then immediately contacted Lucasfilm via email, phonecalls, faxes, and letters - politely informing them of our dissatisfaction with their decision to use this lazy and substandard transfer as a means to release the theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy on DVD…

^ Jay’s actual post can be viewed here - via the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine (read from the bottom of the page to the top)

 

 

Lucasfilm’s following PR statement in 2006 after receiving a barrage of criticism from fans for their choice to use such a 13 year old substandard and limited quality laserdisc transfer for the coming 2006 DVD release - complete with somewhat nonsensical and factually disingenuous reply:-

^ The actual post above can be viewed here - via the Internet Archive’s WayBack Machine

 

 

For more detailed information on the events surrounding the 2006 GOUT DVD release the following threads may be of some assistance:-

An OriginalTrilogy.com Timeline | a history of the site | the why & how it came to be…

George Lucas: Unreliable Narrator & Time Travelling Revisionist

^ To date, the 2006 GOUT bonus disc release is the only time the unaltered theatrical version of the Original Trilogy has been officially available to buy and experience in your home. It was based on transfer from a 1993 laserdisc releases, in an obsolete letterboxed widescreen format, and with DNR quality issues affecting image quality throughout.

 

 

‘Star Wars Original Trilogy 2006 DVD Trailer’ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmtnEQS8ICw (3 minutes, 8 seconds long)

^ Only 20 seconds of time was dedicated to the unaltered theatrical version version in the above trailer - with the Lego Star Wars game & the release being a 2004 OT SE re-release taking up the remaining time.

 

 

Sources Of Information:-

 
Since the 1997 Special Editions through to the 2019 Maclunkey releases - EXCEPT the GOUT (all credit to doubleofive)

Never forget that the Death Star has been in clear site of Yavin IV from the beginning of the battle since 1997 and this is how the Special Edition should have ended.':-

www.wired.com/story/put-original-star-wars-on-disney-plus (and scroll down to the ‘The Game Breaker’ section)

 
 

Got GOUT? The 2006 Original Version Bonus Feature Fiasco’:-

https://savestarwars.com/gout.html - article at the superb and comprehensive Saving Star Wars website

^ from Michael Kaminski - the author of the excellent and exhaustive ‘The Secret History Of Star Wars’ book.

 
 

From the Star Wars Home Video Library #15: Original Trilogy on DVD, Part 2 (2006)’:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgLEP76PHoo - 14 minute video, from the Nathan P Butler YouTube channel.

 
 

From the Star Wars Home Video Library #94: Original Trilogy DVD and Comic Packs (2006)’:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sVRJQChsig - 13 minute video, from the Nathan P Butler YouTube channel.

 
 

From the Star Wars Home Video Library #166: The Original Trilogy UK Collector’s Tin’:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C57km_81Adk - 15 minute video, from the Nathan P Butler YouTube channel.

 
 

From the Star Wars Home Video Library #187​: Australian 30th Anniversary DVD Set(a 2007 GOUT DVD release):-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNFTbiMkuEw - 21 minute video, from the Nathan P Butler YouTube channel.

 

 

• The Opening Post of the ‘Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes’ OT•com thread has an index for multiple source of information on many of the changes made to the Original Trilogy films over the years.

 

 

All Changes Made to Star Wars Original Trilogy’ - at the superb Marcelo Zuniga YouTube Channel

• ‘All Changes Made to Star Wars: A New Hope (Comparison Video) PART I’ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNbzSH84mj0
• ‘All Changes Made to Star Wars: A New Hope (Comparison Video) PART II’ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvbrVFP_f0w
• ‘All Changes Made to Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back (Comparison Video)’ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmWjPoqEhzg
• ‘All Changes Made to Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (Comparison Video)’ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2obEPFGrMs

^ The informative videos above were made in 2015 - and cover the changes from the OOT through to the 2011 SE release on blu ray.

 

 

For further information on the home releases of the 2006 GOUT DVD release of the Original Trilogy:-

Star Wars Visual Comparisons - Website : Twitter - by doubleofive
Star Wars On Video - Video Collector’s website
Star Wars Home Video Reference website - projectcclarke’s website
Star Wars on DVD (up to 2005) - Prillaman’s website portal
Star Wars Release Info: 1982-2004 - DavisDVD•com website (via Archive•org)
Star Wars - The Changes: 1997-2011 - DVDActive•com website (via Archive•org)
‘Star Wars home video releases’ - at Wookieepedia
‘Original Unaltered Trilogy’ (2006 GOUT DVD) - at Wookieepedia

 

 

A 2006 GOUT DVD Release poster:-

 

 

General online articles about the 2006 GOUT DVD Release:-

 
BluRay.com page for the 2006 GOUT DVD Release - at bluray•com
Original Star Wars Trilogy DVD Artwork Online - at MovieWeb
Star Wars On DVD – Again - at CBS News
Han shoots first on DVD - by CNet
Original Version of Star Wars Trilogy Coming to DVD - by AWN
Star Wars Trilogy to Be Released in Non-Anamorphic Widescreen Video - by MovieWeb
Who’s The More Foolish… The Fool Or The Fool Who Buys His Non-Anamorphic DVDs - at Lard Biscuit Enterprises
The unaltered Original Trilogy to be released on DVD (2006) - at TFn (Jedi Council Forums)
Yikes… more OT STAR WARS DVD details have been released and Quint goes on a little rant… - at AICN
The Star Wars Limited Edition Original Theatrical Version - review at CinemaBlend
Star Wars Limited Edition 2006 DVD Review - review at IGN
Star Wars, the GOUT edition… - review at Velocity Reviews
• AVForums Reviews for the 2006 GOUT DVD Release - SW : ESB : ROTJ
• DVDTalk website Reviews for the 2006 GOUT DVD Release: SW : ESB : ROTJ
Star Wars on DVD - Reviews - Star Wars Trilogy Limited Edition - at the Prillaman website
DVDs: Re-release of the Star Wars Trilogy - by Sound & Vision
The Best Ways to Own the Original Star Wars Trilogy - at the redvdit website
‘Star Wars’: Where to Find the Theatrical Versions of the Original Trilogy - at Yahoo
The Glass-Half-Full Gift Of The Only Official Unaltered Star Wars Original Trilogy DVDs - at SyFy•com
Original ‘Star Wars’ films available on DVD, if you’re willing to settle - at The Star Tribune
Why Finding The Original 1977 Star Wars Film Verges On The Impossible - at Inverse
The 2006 Original Trilogy DVDs. Not quite what we wanted. - at Episode Nothing
Original Unaltered Trilogy (2006) - at Wookieepedia

^ If anyone has any suggestions for any online articles on the GOUT release to be included here please post them below - thank you 👍

 
 

Relevant OriginalTrilogy•com threads on the 2006 GOUT DVD release:-

 
Obviously, there are countless OT•com threads about the 2006 GOUT DVD release of the original Trilogy on here - many of which can be found in the ‘Original Trilogy Discussion’, and the ‘Theatrical Cuts vs. Subsequent Releases’ sections of the site.

Here is just a small selection of threads…

The OOT on DVD - then what? - by Figrin_Dan (2004 thread)
Any truth to this? Lucas is releasing the three unaltered ORIGINAL Star Wars films? - by BentMyWookie
IT HAS FINALLY HAPPENED (The OOT being released on DVD) - by Nanner Split
ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM - by rstammer
We won! - by bomma
What is GOUT? - by 5acrifice
The Reason the OOT was released - by xombie84
How “original” do you think it is going to be…? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release) - by Vess
“GOUT” is not “unaltered”!?!?! - by g-force
The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have! - by Neil S. Bulk
Lucas talks about the Sept 12th Release of the O-OT - by CO
Fox France confirms the French OOT release >NOT< to be anamorphic - by Vigo
New DVDs NOT 16x9 - by seventiesfilmnut
Why is the GOUT not anamorphic? - by Johnboy3434
Make your voices heard! (again) - re the 2006 GOUT DVD being in letterbox format - by yanksno1
OOT DVDs - interlaced or progressive? - by Moth3r
The Official Lucasfilm Response - by Neil S. Bulk
Soundtrack for Star Wars OOT DVD? - by BountyHunter
OUT Audio: Pablo Speaks - by Zion
Torn… To buy, or not to buy - by skyranger
O-OT Star Wars “Bonus Disc” menus (www.starwars.com) - by Darth Cracker
The “original crawl” on the new DVD is NOT the original crawl! Screenshot inside! - by zombie84
2006 OT DVD: The Crawl on Star Wars - by Cable-X1
The GOUT crawl - by Darth Editous

So, this is how the DVDs are going to look… - by Laserschwert
2006 OT DVD: Poll: So What are You Going to Do? - by ESHBG (just prior to the release of the GOUT)
We have to buy this set at least to preserve it for the next generation of fans - by CO
Original Trilogy DVD FAQ (Unofficial) - by TheCassidy
Star Wars Trilogy - Original Theatrical Versions: 2006 DVD Flaw List - by Moth3r
What’s missing from GOUT - by Darth Mallwalker
Are the PAL GOUT DVDs upscaled from the NTSC masters? - by Moth3r
What Has Changed? the 2006 OT DVD release… - by THX
It has begun: StarWars.com to celebrate original films - by Zion
SW.com: “First and ONLY Time” - by ESHBG
Star Wars Trilogy tops IGN’s “Most Wanted DVDs” - by sybeman
www.dvdempire.com O-OT pre-orders rankings (updated) - by CO
Even Cosmo Magazine is Talking About the 09/12 Release… - by ESHBG

first viewing of the 2006 OOT dvds - by grifter (re AICN’s preview)
Original Trilogy DVD Article in Total Film - by Jambe Davdar
First Impressions of the OOT … - by The Dark Lord
2006 OT DVD: Got mine! - by MST
My store just got the new DVDs - by Scallenger
2006 OUT DVD to Definitive Collection LD comparison question? - by jhfagan
2006 DVD OOT - by bbbb
For me…it all came out in the end… - by Cable-X1
I heard the 2006 set with the GOUT is now gone… - by American Hominid
DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019 - by none

Is GOUT resented? - by S_Matt
Which is considered canon, the Special Edition or GOUT? - by knreuben
Question about the 2006 “GOUT” DVDs - by drfsupercenter
A question re the 2006 OT DVD versions - by Farquh
Question about the 2006 dvds I think you call the GOUT - by Vaderisnothayden
9 years ago Lucasfilm announced the GOUT on DVD - by Haarspalter
10th Anniversary of the “GOUT” dvd release - by Knightmessenger
Will you buy the OOT again? - by SW
Could the 2006 DVDs become collector’s items? - by JamesEightBitStar
How George Lucas created the O-OT fanbase… - by CO
When/Why did you become an OT purist? - by DominicCobb
Explaining the shoddy OOT treatment in public - by Vigo
You know you’re an O-OT fan when… - by JennyS1138
Random memories from 1977-83 - by CO
Fondest Memory from the OT Days - by Cable-X1
How do you feel about Star Wars being re-titled A New Hope in 1981? - by ray_afraid

^ If anyone has any suggestions for any OT•com threads on the GOUT release to be included here please post them below - thank you 👍

 

 

 

 

General online articles on the Special Edition changes & releases:-

 
‘Disney+ Should Offer the Star Wars Original Cuts — All of Them’ - at Wired
‘What We Want And How To Make It’ - at SWVC, by doubleofive
‘Special Edition Changes’ at Saving Star Wars, by Zombie84
‘The Star Wars Special Editions’ - at The Star Wars Trilogy
‘15 Changes to the Original ‘Star Wars’ Trilogy That Still Make Us Crazy’ - at Yahoo Entertainment
‘Star Wars Original Trilogy Changes: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly’ - at ScreenRant
‘Who Shot First? The Complete List Of Star Wars Changes’ (actually, it is more of an overview) - at Empire Online
‘Greedo Shoots First’ and ‘Greedo Shoots First, Take 4: Maclunkey’ - at SWVC, by doubleofive
‘Star Wars: 10 Worst Crimes Against the Original Trilogy’ - at Den Of Geek
‘The 12 Worst Changes George Lucas Made To Star Wars’ - at Goliath
‘How Star Wars’ Special Edition Ruined Mos Eisley’s Scum & Villainy’ - at ScreenRant
‘Star Wars: Why Do People Hate Vader’s Added Line in ROTJ So Much?’ - at CheatSheet
‘The Version of Star Wars on Disney+ Changes the Canon Once Again’ - at Wired
‘J.J. Abrams Wants The Original Star Wars Trilogy Theatrical Cuts To Be Released Again’ - at ScreenRant
‘The Star Wars Blu-Ray Blues’ - at Saving Star Wars (debunking Lucas’ 2010 claim of the ‘difficulties’ in restoring the OOT)
‘Save Star Wars’ - doubleofive’s Blog article (re Lucas’ disingenuous 2010 comments on the ‘difficulties’ of restoring the OOT)
‘Untouched is impossible: the story of Star Wars in film’ - 2010 article at ARS Technica
‘Could Disney finally give us the remastered, unedited Star Wars we want?’ - 2017 article at ARS Technica

 
 

General OT•com threads covering the unaltered theatrical version & releases:-

 
An Index & Help Thread for ‘Original Trilogy Discussion’
An Index & Help Thread for ‘Theatrical Cuts vs. Subsequent Releases’
Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes
An OriginalTrilogy.com Timeline | a history of the site | the why & how it came to be…
George Lucas: Unreliable Narrator & Time Travelling Revisionist
A celebration of the Original Trilogy | Some informative threads | How you can help…
Articles & info that highlight / call for a classic version release of the Original Trilogy
4K restoration on Star Wars

Modern SE Revisionism
Reasoning Behind Changes from Release to Release
It seems like nobody involved in the making of the OT has spoken up about GL’s oppression of the OOT
You’d think they’d clean this up - the unfixed issues of the 2004 OT SE DVD release…
What HASN’T changed on the 2011 OT SE Blu-ray release – the uncorrected mistakes…
Uncorrected mistakes or unfixed issues of the 2019 (Maclunkey) Original Trilogy release?
Credits & Leaders Thread

 

 

 

 

‘The changes to the Original Trilogy films & general Special Edition discussion’ threads:-

 
• The OOT : link (1977-96)
• 1997 SE : link
• 2004 SE : link
• 2006 GOUT : link
• 2011 SE : link
• 2019 SE : link
• 2026 SE : link (“Somehow… Lucas has returned!”) - a possible future SE release (though unlikely)

 
 

If you know of any articles or OT•com threads that are relevant, or would improve this thread, please post them below - thank you.

 

The content of thread was originally part of the The OOT : The changes to the OT films & general (1977-96) discussion thread - though after a few suggestions from other members it seemed a good idea for the 2006 GOUT Release to have its own thread instead, so here we are!

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The GOUT trilogy was very frustrating to me. On one hand, I have a fond memory of being able to view the films in their unaltered state again. I grew up with passed down VHS copies from the 80s, so even though I’m a child of the 90s, my first memories of these films were the non special editions. Even though there are one or two SE changes I admire, nothing compared to being able to watch the films the way I did the first time around.

The huge negative was that infernal letterbox aspect ratio. As a teenager I’d watch those discs on my xbox, and the options for viewing them on my TV were as a tiny box in the middle of the screen, zoomed in (which completely cut off the subtitles for the alien speak), or horribly stretched. It was always really annoying to me that I owned the unaltered films in a format I could watch on my TV again, but not at all the way I wanted to watch them.

It really makes me thankful for projects like Harmy’s Despecialized Trilogy and Project 4K77/80/83. Without the great people from this site, TheStarWarsTrilogy and elsewhere preserving the past so beautifully, we’d be stuck with an option so tedious, that the original cuts would probably get lost to history eventually.

“Goodnight, but not Goodbye!”

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Technically the GOUT release of ANH created a new version of the film. They used the 1993 master tape and replaced the opening crawl with the version they had scanned for The Empire of Dreams. Before that there are 4 versions of the film and 5 different soundtracks. Most people focus on the the 77 vs. 81 crawl and C-3PO’s tractor beam line, but there is a lot more to it than that. Empire and Jedi are simpler, but there are still some changes. Nothing as drastic and the SE and following releases, but still, noticeable and documentable changes.

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yotsuya said:

Technically the GOUT release of ANH created a new version of the film. They used the 1993 master tape and replaced the opening crawl with the version they had scanned for The Empire of Dreams.

IMO the main unique thing about the GOUT version of Star Wars is the 77 crawl/93 audio mismatch. The fact that the 77 crawl was spliced onto the 93 video is a comparatively minor detail, although it’s a funny reversal of how the 81 crawl was frequently spliced onto 77 film.

Oddly, even though I’ve never considered any of the GOUT versions to be in any way equivalent to the original films, they work out to be the same for the purposes of subtitles, since the 93 audio doesn’t change any dialogue from the original stereo/multichannel mixes for any of the films, and the crawls have the same text.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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as far as i know in the uk the gout dvds where the only 4:3 star wars DVDs released because when the usa got its fullscreen dvd of the movies we only got widescreen but the gout dvd was the only fullscreen star wars dvd we got and they had film prints because they used a film print for a new hope crawl so they at least have a film print for a new hope so why did they use laserdisc

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I have the UK GOUT DVDs from 2006. They are in PAL letterbox format, i.e. non-anamorphic widescreen. I am not aware of a fullscreen release of the GOUT.

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There never was any pan & scan release of the GOUT transfers themselves since they were considered “bonus features”. Even on the full screen DVDs which feature the 2004 version in pan & scan, the 2nd disc with the GOUT on it is still letterbox widescreen.

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Yeah this is where I learned what non-anamorphic meant. Terrible. Though it was what it was at the time.

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Non anamorphic DVDs were of little consequence to me until I bought a Widescreen TV, which was literally within the same month after the GOUT DVDs were released. I knew what anamorphic enhancement was but it wasn’t that big a deal to me one way or another when I was watching DVDs on a CRT television. I did have a portable DVD player that had no zoom option on it though so it was a pain in the ass when I tried to watch a letterbox DVD on that.

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I just popped my GOUT copy of Star Wars 77 into my blu ray player and displayed it on my 55 inch lcd flatscreen the other day . First time in a very long time that I have watched it ,and it looked atrocious on that . Hell , my letterbox 1992 VHS looks better on that tv . ( I tried it right after ) . The GOUT is a grainy mess in comparison . I also messed around with the settings on my tv and displayed each in both 4x3 for proper proportions ,and in zoom mode .I will have to take a look at these on my crt’s later to see if they look better .Looking back at some of the links at the top of this thread , I do think Mike Verta was right in his belief that there was artificial grain applied to this release to make it look sub standard .Also , when this release came out , a lot of people were saying these looked better than the laser disc preservations that were being made at the time .Is that due to the displays they were being watched on at the time ? A lot of people still had crt’s back then . Granted , the dvd image may be sharper , but I will take the softer look of VHS or Laserdisc over this grainy image any time . I did watch my 92 VHS letterbox copy on my 30 inch widescreen Samsung Slimfit HD CRT recently , and that looked spectacular and crisp and vibrant on it ,though the colors did not “pop” like on the 95 faces VHS , but it looked more like I remember it looking in the theater originally .I go back and fourth sometimes , but I now think this is my ideal way to watch it out of all the media formats I own . I will definitely have to see how the GOUT looks on that crt .

https://screamsinthevoid.deviantart.com/

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I just popped my GOUT copy of Star Wars 77 into my blu ray player and displayed it on my 55 inch lcd flatscreen the other day . First time in a very long time that I have watched it ,and it looked atrocious on that . Hell , my letterbox 1992 VHS looks better on that tv . ( I tried it right after ) . The GOUT is a grainy mess in comparison . I also messed around with the settings on my tv and displayed each in both 4x3 for proper proportions ,and in zoom mode .I will have to take a look at these on my crt’s later to see if they look better .Looking back at some of the links at the top of this thread , I do think Mike Verta was right in his belief that there was artificial grain applied to this release to make it look sub standard .Also , when this release came out , a lot of people were saying these looked better than the laser disc preservations that were being made at the time .Is that due to the displays they were being watched on at the time ? A lot of people still had crt’s back then . Granted , the dvd image may be sharper , but I will take the softer look of VHS or Laserdisc over this grainy image any time . I did watch my 92 VHS letterbox copy on my 30 inch widescreen Samsung Slimfit HD CRT recently , and that looked spectacular and crisp and vibrant on it ,though the colors did not “pop” like on the 95 faces VHS , but it looked more like I remember it looking in the theater originally .I go back and fourth sometimes , but I now think this is my ideal way to watch it out of all the media formats I own . I will definitely have to see how the GOUT looks on that crt .

Greetings ScreamsfromtheVoid, just to ask, were you ever capable of testing those G.O.U.T. discs upon that aforementioned HD CRT screen; if so, did they fare samewise or worse than the letter-boxed VHS-cassettes?

~Ice~

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Nien Nunb said:

Non anamorphic DVDs were of little consequence to me until I bought a Widescreen TV, which was literally within the same month after the GOUT DVDs were released. I knew what anamorphic enhancement was but it wasn’t that big a deal to me one way or another when I was watching DVDs on a CRT television.

Yeah this was the same case for me in 2006. I lived in two houses and at one I had a Sanyo CRT in my bedroom, the other a Toshiba CRT with a built in DVD player so it didn’t matter to me. Didn’t get my first Widescreen TV til 2008 which was when it really began to sink in how crap the GOUT situation was.

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screams in the void said:

I just popped my GOUT copy of Star Wars 77 into my blu ray player and displayed it on my 55 inch lcd flatscreen the other day . First time in a very long time that I have watched it ,and it looked atrocious on that . Hell , my letterbox 1992 VHS looks better on that tv . ( I tried it right after ) . The GOUT is a grainy mess in comparison . I also messed around with the settings on my tv and displayed each in both 4x3 for proper proportions ,and in zoom mode .I will have to take a look at these on my crt’s later to see if they look better .Looking back at some of the links at the top of this thread , I do think Mike Verta was right in his belief that there was artificial grain applied to this release to make it look sub standard .Also , when this release came out , a lot of people were saying these looked better than the laser disc preservations that were being made at the time .Is that due to the displays they were being watched on at the time ? A lot of people still had crt’s back then . Granted , the dvd image may be sharper , but I will take the softer look of VHS or Laserdisc over this grainy image any time . I did watch my 92 VHS letterbox copy on my 30 inch widescreen Samsung Slimfit HD CRT recently , and that looked spectacular and crisp and vibrant on it ,though the colors did not “pop” like on the 95 faces VHS , but it looked more like I remember it looking in the theater originally .I go back and fourth sometimes , but I now think this is my ideal way to watch it out of all the media formats I own . I will definitely have to see how the GOUT looks on that crt .

Greetings ScreamsfromtheVoid, just to ask, were you ever capable of testing those G.O.U.T. discs upon that aforementioned HD CRT screen; if so, did they fare samewise or worse than the letter-boxed VHS-cassettes?

~Ice~

Hi , thanks for asking , I did finally get around to checking it out , the GOUT dvd did look a lot sharper on my widescreen crt , and the grain was a lot less noticeable , but still there ,in the scenes on the blockade runner and when the droids arrive on Tatooine , but looks like more natural film grain here . The colors were more vibrant , as the GOUT is the 93 laserdisc transfer , as is the source of the 95 vhs faces set ( Though I am still not sure why the blue tie fighter lasers show up on TESB on the vhs and not the GOUT) . I prefer the colors of my letterbox 92 VHS over the 93 and subsequent versions . On the GOUT , playing on my widscreen crt , the colors are amped up a bit too much for my tastes in places , the skin tones appear a bit too orangeish and I noticed in the droid sale scenes , the blue on the legs of R5-D4 are an almost neon blue . I adjusted the tv settings to movie mode and it toned these issues down a little , it helped , but they were still noticeable . Another nice thing about the tv , is it has different widescreen modes , normal , panorama , wide and zoom . I have it set to wide and there is no window boxing on the image and no one looks stretched out like " taffy vision " . I did not notice picture info lost on the sides either . The sound on this tv is phenomenal , with deep bass and the black levels are fantastic . I love this tv and hope it keeps working , though it has developed a few problems in recent years , And I think it may be due to being moved around too much. There is slight phosphor burn in on the upper right hand corner of the screen and a noticeable buzzing noise an it recently started making a continuous ticking sound like an old clock .Probably needs new capacitors , but beyond my scope of knowledge to fix .Overall , even though the 92 letterbox vhs has a softer image , it still looks pretty crisp on this tv and I prefer it over the GOUT on this tv or any other tv .This is the Samsung Slimfit Widescreen HD CRT that I have…https://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-tx-s3082wh/ I would love to get a laserdisc player and the 89 widescreen disc an try it out n this tv .

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There is a pan and scan of the definitive collection master. What do you think they used for the 1995 vhs set. Although the only pan and scan version on Laserdisc happened in Hong Kong. And of course beyond Dark Jedi’s preservation of the VHS release there is no DVD, especially not official retail.

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JadedSkywalker said:

There is a pan and scan of the definitive collection master. What do you think they used for the 1995 vhs set. Although the only pan and scan version on Laserdisc happened in Hong Kong. And of course beyond Dark Jedi’s preservation of the VHS release there is no DVD, especially not official retail.

does that pan and scan of the definitive collection have the gaffe with the blue tie fighter lasers in TESB ?

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Unfortunately these DVD releases on their own have some changes, though this is also the first home video release to have the original 1977 title crawl in the first movie

A lot of sound effects though mostly minor were added for the 1993 masters, one notable one was during the shootout in the prison cells glass breaking sounds were added whenever monitors were shot at

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An insightful and informative video form the ever quirky, quality, insightful and informative Nathan Butler…

 

Top 5 Frustrating Fox Star Wars U.S. Home Video Decisions (From the Star Wars Home Video Library)’

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyGl9wa05S0 - a 33 minute video from Nathan Butler youtube channel

^ the 2006 GOUT DVD content starts at 22 mins 22 seconds into the video.

 

A decent recap / overview on the 2006 GOUT DVD release at the time.

The whole of the video is well worth a watch too. 👍
 

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