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Question about the 2006 dvds I think you call the GOUT

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This is about the 2006 limited-time-only-includes-original-version-as-a-bonus-disc dvds. It was supposed to be available only until 31 December 2006. However it's selling on Amazon as new and in stock, as if it's still in print, as the only seemingly-in-print individual versions (as in not bexed set) of the old trilogy. Did Lucasfilm change their minds and allow it to be available past the limited time or does Amazon just have a back stock? What's going on?

Does anybody know how well it sells/sold?

Any idea what's our chances of getting a release of some sort of original version on blu-ray and later formats?

Also, I hear that Lucasfilm was responsible for the release but were drawn into it by Fox. Can anybody give me more detail on that?

Would appreciate any answers anybody can give. :) 

 

 

 

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sorry wrong thread.

 

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Vaderisnothayden said:

Did Lucasfilm change their minds and allow it to be available past the limited time or does Amazon just have a back stock? What's going on?

Does anybody know how well it sells/sold?

Any idea what's our chances of getting a release of some sort of original version on blu-ray and later formats?

Also, I hear that Lucasfilm was responsible for the release but were drawn into it by Fox. Can anybody give me more detail on that?

Would appreciate any answers anybody can give. :) 

 

I don't think they changed their minds, I just think there are plenty of them in backstock that places like amazon are still working their way through. I am pretty sure it is not still being produced (well, it is being produced again for the upcoming boxset though).

As for how well it sold, I don't know, it is Star Wars which usually sells well, and they are releasing the same set again as a boxed set, so it must not have sold too poorly.

The chances of getting it released on blu-ray period are slim for the time being. Here we are with DVD towards the end of its life, or at least no longer the superior format, and Star Wars is getting yet another DVD release, with absolutly no extra content whatsoever save for the new box they come in.

Why not release it on blu-ray now? The fans are already working on making their own HD set of films via HDTV broadcasts, why not just give it to them and make some money instead of a new pointless horse beating rerelease of what is already on store shelves and in our homes.

Star Wars will eventually come out on blu-ray, but it is hard to tell if the original editions ever will. It is a good sign that they will still be included in this upcoming set, since they have kind of become a stardard special feature, maybe they will see fit to include them a future blu-ray release (though I wouldn't be half surprised if they only come in the form of remastered, anamorphic DVDs, rather than actual HD Blu-ray disc, that would be pretty funny actually).

As for Lucasfilm being pushed by Fox to do the 1996 set, I don't really know anything about that, maybe somebody else does. I wouldn't be surprised if Fox asked them to do a set of the films individually released, since before then they could only be purchased as a set.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Thanks for the answers. :)

They're releasing them again? Will this be a limited-time-only edition like the 2006 one?

 

 

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No, it's a boxed set and I don't think it's LE. It's coming out Nov 4th I believe. There's an OT set (w/the '06 and '04 discs) and a PT set.

Here's the thread about it:

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Yeah, I don't believe it is a limited edition, but rather a replacement for the 04 set, which is still on store shelves, but probably running thin.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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So hold on, let me get this clear, this is a non-limited edition that includes the GOUT 2006 version of the original versions of the films?

If so that's good, because that's Lucas allowing some form of the original versions to be put out on dvd in non-limited edition. Maybe his resolve against the originals is breaking down a bit.

Him and his "vision". I couldn't care less about Lucas's bloody vision, I want the phenomenon that lived 1977-83 and became legend.

 

 

 

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It has nothing to do with his resolve against the originals, and it has everything to do with the fact that they want to release an OT boxed set and a PT boxed set. The PT DVDs each have nicely done two-disc sets, but the OT only ever had a single bonus disc made to share between them, unless you count the lame nonanamorphic "Bonus" discs featuring the GOUT.

So, rather than make a bonus disc for each movie, or make two more bonus discs to go along with the Empire of Dreams disc in order to make the PT and OT boxed sets equally yoked, it is just easier to go with the GOUT bonus disc again. Now we have two trilogy box sets, six discs each, and the same price can fairly be charged for each of them. You can imagine the outrage if the PT set had six discs and the OT set only four.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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They're "limited" to how many times the same product can be re-boxed and re-sold.  How many times over the years of VHS and LaserDisc were the films going to be available "FOR THE LAST TIME EVER!!!!"?

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Ziz said:

They're "limited" to how many times the same product can be re-boxed and re-sold.  How many times over the years of VHS and LaserDisc were the films going to be available "FOR THE LAST TIME EVER!!!!"?

Yeah Luca$ and Disney sure have a lot in common LOL

 

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On another thread this was said:

[skyjedi2005 said: Sadly there is not a snowballs chance in hell of Lucas ever doing a proper restoration up to current industry standards (this would mean the oot could be shown theatrically again or be given a blu ray release) or he would have answered the fans and Robert Harris insistance on this being done now before the remaining prints and negatives are competely beyond saving.]

I think there's something I'm not understanding here. Is there some reason a blu-ray couldn't be made from the laser discs like the GOUT was? Would it be impossible to make a blu-ray (up to GOUT levels) without doing a proper restoration? (I'm not very knowledgeable about the technical stuff.)

 

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The GOUT would look even worse in HD, ironically, due to its resolution level.  Letterbox it looks... well, sub-par, but watchable if you're not planning on paying too much attention.  Stretched to widescreen TV it looks horrid, not only is it more blurry but with that comes less detail.  HD is an even bigger upscale, which means it would look just as bad - if not worse - than a stretched widescreen picture.

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And a restoration couldn't be done without the prints that were destroyed? Is there any material left a restoration could be done from? Or could the laserdisc material be used as a basis for a restoration? (Sorry, I'm totally ignorant about the technical aspects.)

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ESHBG said:
Ziz said:

They're "limited" to how many times the same product can be re-boxed and re-sold.  How many times over the years of VHS and LaserDisc were the films going to be available "FOR THE LAST TIME EVER!!!!"?

Yeah Luca$ and Disney sure have a lot in common LOL

 

 

 so, did you think VHS and laserdisc were going to last forever?

 

do you think DVD's and bluray are going to last?

 

you might want think about the difference between marketing hyperbole,

and technical improvement...

 

nothings going to last, so what difference does it make whether they state that

or not?

 

as long as you can find it, in whatever format you want, its still around..

 

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Vaderisnothayden said:

And a restoration couldn't be done without the prints that were destroyed? Is there any material left a restoration could be done from? Or could the laserdisc material be used as a basis for a restoration? (Sorry, I'm totally ignorant about the technical aspects.)

 

 you might want to check out the 'fan edits and preservation' forum,

there are several active projects that are ongoing to address several of these issues

including:

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conversion from LD - x0 project

conversion from 16mm

conversion from 35mm

hybrids from HDTV versions

image stabilization/color correction  (see my signature for links)

-> see : http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/GOUT-image-stabilization/topic/9038/page/15/ for pics/videos

uprez to HD (see my signature for links)

->still images : http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Any-Suggestions-for-Better-Uprez-to-HD/topic/8971/page/2/ and see previous pages also..

 

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bkev said:

The GOUT would look even worse in HD, ironically, due to its resolution level.  Letterbox it looks... well, sub-par, but watchable if you're not planning on paying too much attention.  Stretched to widescreen TV it looks horrid, not only is it more blurry but with that comes less detail.  HD is an even bigger upscale, which means it would look just as bad - if not worse - than a stretched widescreen picture.

 

 once again, check out the progress in the uprez to HD thread,

mentioned in my signature.. could be getting interesting soon..

 

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All I can say is that I hope retailers will help pressure George Lucas to release the original versions of the OT in high quality. Will they? I have no idea, but I hope so.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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negative1 said:
ESHBG said:
Ziz said:

They're "limited" to how many times the same product can be re-boxed and re-sold.  How many times over the years of VHS and LaserDisc were the films going to be available "FOR THE LAST TIME EVER!!!!"?

Yeah Luca$ and Disney sure have a lot in common LOL

 

 

 so, did you think VHS and laserdisc were going to last forever?

 

do you think DVD's and bluray are going to last?

 

you might want think about the difference between marketing hyperbole,

and technical improvement...

 

nothings going to last, so what difference does it make whether they state that

or not?

 

as long as you can find it, in whatever format you want, its still around..

 

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Ok, ok, I forgot to put "within each format".  Jezuzfuckingchrist, some people are so nitpicky that they can't take a thought any further than what's presented to them.

Terminal case of cranial insertus analatus.

 

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Ziz said:

Ok, ok, I forgot to put "within each format".  Jezuzfuckingchrist, some people are so nitpicky that they can't take a thought any further than what's presented to them.

 

i think you missed my point completely..

 

WHAT difference does it make whether it's limited or not?

there are ALWAYS going to be new formats, so why should it matter

what they state..

 

caveat : i've never owned a vcr, or bought a videotape or rented one, so i guess

it was hard to get these movies in those formats?????

 

also, i started buying laserdiscs only, so i never had a problem finding them in that

format.....

 

as far as dvd's go, there's always a used market for them......

 

maybe , i should have clarified what i meant..

 

also, i've never seen an advertisement for 'star wars' being limited, so thats

why i never thought it was an issue..

 

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Star Wars '95 release's tagline was, "ONE LAST TIME."

The 2006 set says "Limited Edition" on the boxes and was said to be in print from September-December 2006.

So, yeah, limited comes into play in Star Wars...

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negative1 said:

 once again, check out the progress in the uprez to HD thread,

mentioned in my signature.. could be getting interesting soon..

 

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Haha, I remember a similar conversation taking place, where you told me to check the progress on the 35mm conversion that could be getting interesting. I am guessing since you have moved on to "uprezing" the GOUT, that that particular project is now longer making progess or remaining interesting. I would not wish this to be the case, but have always expected it would. At any rate, you can never really truely "uprez" something. When the detail simply isn't there, it simply isn't there. There is no way to add lost detail back into the picture, only to smooth over and blur the roughness of the low res picture. No thanks.

As for the VHS tapes of Star Wars being hard to find, NO! Of course they weren't! The VHS release received more than enough rereleasing. It has nothing to do with products wearing out, it has to do with $$$$. You can't possibly make a case for the mass rereleasing of SW on DVD. Sure, if they run out of the product, they should just throw more into production. The only reason they go through the trouble of repackaging it so it suddenly looks like something different and new, and will encourage those completists to rebuy what they already own just for the sake of a freaking change of cover art. It is sickening. Lots of studios do this with DVDs, double dipping galore, but in most cases, they at least add some new content to encourage people to rebuy.

Oh, and to defend the "One Last Time" slogan of the THX release, up until the 2006 release, that actually was the very last time the originals were released. So, they were being pretty honest about it, we didn't know the movies only had two years left before going to hell and ruining SW by splitting the fan base down the middle. Crazy stuff, but Lucas actually wanted that to be the last time. Ironically, since the DVDs are actually from the LDs of the "One Last Time" faces/THX set, that still sort of was the last time.

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I don't work in the film industry, television industry or broadcast industry so I wish i could give you an answer to what you said here

Quoting Vaderisnothayden

"I think there's something I'm not understanding here. Is there some reason a blu-ray couldn't be made from the laser discs like the GOUT was? Would it be impossible to make a blu-ray (up to GOUT levels) without doing a proper restoration? (I'm not very knowledgeable about the technical stuff.)"

Does anyone know the Maximum resolution of a D2 composite master tape.  I know this format won't work for a dvd restoration or blu ray because it is low res for todays standards and was interlaced and non anamorphic.

Also the D2 is only as good as the film prints or negatives scanned in and the prints used on the gout were in poor shape.  I personally believe that no new film to video telecine was ever even done for the THX laserdisc versions i believe they took their old video master and just cleaned it up with dvnr and did some color correction.

I hope somebody can come on here and prove me wrong stating that a telecine was undertaken in 1992 0r 1993 with then state of the art technology. 

Still i need a bit of convincing that all existing film prints and negatives have been destroyed or are in too bad shape to recover.

There are a couple of places pre 1997 that show Lucas did indeed have pristine elements.  The Interview with roger ebert in future of the movies, and the documentary for the special edition anatomy of a dewback part 2 where they took a trip to the Lucas cold storage film vault in the archives.

I was suprised to find this still on Lucas site:  Anatomy of a dewback part 2

http://www.starwars.com/video/view/000323.html

 

The thing is D2 composite masters or the same interlaced laserdisc home video masters were fine in dvd's advent when first introduced in 1997-98 .  Back then almost nobody had widescreen tv and the first HDTV sets were like 10 grand.  Plus the non anamorphic Star Trek releases were fine in the beginning when people had 4:3 television sets and dvd was only single layered and was not maxing out its resolution then.  If he had released the gout in 98 0r 2000 nobody would have complained .  But in the last 9 or ten years home video technology has evolved by leaps and bounds.  and releasing a non anamorphic dvd in 2006 was nothing short of a Joke.

If in film your movies are your assets then protecting the original copies of your films in pristine shape is good business sense.  So much for being a good businessman Lucas lets his biggest asset the oot negatives and prints rot.  Give the consumer what they want another thing he does not undertand, neither does he understand the filmgoing Public.

The things he is good for using the Star Wars and Indiana Jones name as a license to print money and destroy any credibility he or those films ever had.  If you had told me a  15 years ago that Lucas would do what Parmount did to Star Trek and Bleed it dry i would not have believed you.  Seeing as The Star Wars Trilogy was 3 pretty good movies and was not over done.  Their is such a thing as flooding the market with crap, derivative horseshit.  Until the movie series you once loved is no more and is a shadow of its former self, star wars and indy are zombies.  For the first time in my life i want star wars to go away and just die.  Lucas had to do all sorts of crazy things to start me hating on star wars.

It deserved a to go out on a high note in 1983 and be remembered as it was then a grand space epic and saga.  Now it goes out in a whimper with the Clone Wars movie the first star wars film to be a complete dud.

The thing is Lucas is still getting the wrong message . Just Because the Prequels and Indiana Jones IV made more than the originals does not make them better films.

I find it sad to say but it is probably bad for star wars to be under Lucas complete control.  If Fox owned Star Wars we would have a Properly restored anamorphic release of the originals on dvd.

Look at Star Trek it may be a bad thing overall that Roddenberry had to give the rights up to paramount.  But 2 of the better movies came about outside of his control and he fought those productions every step of the way.  These being of course Nicholas Meyers Trek 2 and 6

Lucas got all rights back to the star wars when he made a distribution deal with fox on the prequels.  They would make a shitload of money and the entire rights of the first trilogy 1977-1983 would revert to Lucas.

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Sourced from the D2 gout master tapes without question.

That does not mean Lucas could spend millions of dollars to do a restoration of the originals for blu ray, he just does not want to. The guy is a billionaire believe me he can afford it he already spent millions on a 3D process for 3d jar jar and episode 1,lol.

As Robert Harris once stated it may be difficult to restore the oneg to the shape it was in pre special edition but would be worthwhile.  Those missing segments would have to be replaced with footage an internegative or interpositive i believe.  I think Lucas still has the YCM color seperation masters and is just lying to us because he does not want us to have the originals in as good quality as the 2004 edit.

Of course it is also entirely possible that the story of the negative being in awful shape when then went back to it is true, but Lucas did further damage to it to create the special edition when his original intention was just to repair the damaged segments, clean up the effects like matte lines and such, and produce a cleaner soundtrack on modern equipment.  The greedo shooting first thing was done later.

Again as a privately owned Business by Lucas it was his and Lucasfilms reposnsiblity to see to the storage of such an asset as the original camera negative.  For a rich dude to let it sit in a vault unseen for twenty years go back and find out it was stored and or cared for impoperly is pathetic but not unheard of in Hollywood.  But this was not Hollywood Lucas owns the negatives to his own films and is solely repsonsible they they are kept in their original state.  Recutting the oneg has to be the biggest crime in cinema history.

Supposedly the First film was in the worst shape because they continued to print off the negative which is something you never do.  You are supposed to create dupes for those purposes you never should print straight off the negative for a home video release, Harris has said people who do that should be fired.

Harris was able to bring back Lawrence of Arabia, and the Godfather back to their original state he could do the same for star wars.  All Lucas had to do is give the guy a call.

Though i doubt the guy would he is such a stubborn ass.  Calling Harris now would be like Lucas admitting he was wrong, something that is not allowed in Lucasland.  He is either right or you can hit the road.  So much for absolutes , only the sith remember believe in absolutes,lol.  Call him Darth Lucas and call it a day.

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negative1, people like Luca$ and companies like Disney are liars and bite the hands that feed them.  Nothing you can say about technology, etc., means anything and is even relevant here, and history keeps proving how greedy and how big of liars these people actually are.  Don't beleive me?  Check the store shelves in a few weeks and tell me what you see...oh yeah, the same exact discs from 2 years ago that were 'limited" and "never going to be avialable again" LOL LOL