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#1450277
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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sade1212 said:

The TFA novel was written by Alan Dean Foster, who also wrote this (Ctrl+F “resurgence”) interesting piece of fanfiction, so I’d take his ideas about the sequel trilogy with something of a grain of salt. Various parts of the TFA novel have also been retconned since - it suffers a lot from ADF not being privy to where the later movies were going. I don’t think TLJ or TROS were written with the idea in mind that Rey ever downloaded Ben’s training or what have you, though to some extent the dyad is another take on a similar concept.

Please don’t hide or disguise links that, sade1212. If you are going to link to a video by Jenny Nicholson (who seemingly hasn’t a clue who Alan Dean Foster is, other than from reading his wikipedia page) then link to it in an open and more detailed manner.

Thanks mate 👍
 

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#1450263
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The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions 4:3 Open Matte DVD Preservation (Released)
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ImBateman said:

PM me if you want a link!

Like I’mBateman says… just send him a PM if you want a link.

There’s no need to fill the thread with link requests in here - save your posts for thanks, feedback, reviews, or discussions on the project etc… which I’m sure you’ll all be posting up in here soon after watching this quality project.

👍
 

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#1450185
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Enter the Matrix Reloaded (Released)
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Axi said:

I’d like the link if possible. I don’t know how to PM you :p

Hi and welcome Axi,

If you don’t know how to PM someone on here… you can always take the time to look around and make the effort to find out. 👍
 

These may be of some help:-

Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com; Introduce yourself in here + useful info within

‘How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + member FAQs
 

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#1450010
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a thread for <strong>short Fan Films</strong> found online at youtube / vimeo etc
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Real Life Goldeneye 64’:-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RR5V0rmN4o - a 4 minute video at the Darth Pixel youtube channel.
 

The blurb:-

‘Mike tries out a new Goldeneye 64 mod and learns an eternal truth - NOTHING is more frustrating than trying to escort Natalya to safety in Goldeneye 64! NOTHING!’
 

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#1450009
Topic
a thread for <strong>short Fan Films</strong> found online at youtube / vimeo etc
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The Gunfighter | A Short Film by Eric Kissack (narrated by Nick Offerman)’:-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWs4WA--eKU - a 9 minute video at the MagnetFilm youtube channel. (NSFW - language)
 

The blurb:-

‘In a small town in the old west, a lone and weary gunfighter enters a saloon. As he walks through the room surrounded by the people of the town, a voice begins narrating the scene, telling us exactly who this gunfighter is. But unlike every classic western to use the narrator trope, the characters in this film can hear the voice.’
 

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#1449962
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a thread for <strong>short Fan Films</strong> found online at youtube / vimeo etc
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Terminator: Hunter Killer (‘Future War’ Short Film)’:-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiRLCxs_FRc - a 9 minute video at the jamiefmartin youtube channel.
 

The blurb:-

'TERMINATOR: HUNTER KILLER is a proof-of-concept short film, set in the future war of the Terminator-movie universe, as the humans struggle to survive in the post-apocalyptic wasteland following ‘Judgment Day’.

Thank you to the talented 3D artists who generously made available many of their 3D assets for free - these were vital in me being able to realise my vision.’
 

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#1449961
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a thread for <strong>short Fan Films</strong> found online at youtube / vimeo etc
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A thread for short Fan Films found online - that others here may enjoy, spark up some ideas for, or be inspired by…

…whether a straight-up fan film of a specific movie or tv series, a pastiche on a genre, or of a game with a movie/tv tie-in etc.
 

As ever, when posting up a video on the site… please give the title, a brief description, the duration, and which channel it is being shown on (ie, the EC Henry youtube channel). If you wish, post up a thumbnail of the video or a small image of any promo art / poster too.

Also, please label up any video you may post that contains strong language, scenes of nudity, or graphic depictions of violence or death… as NSFW (Not Safe For Work) - thank you.
 

An Index…

  1. Terminator: Hunter Killer (‘Future War’ Short Film)
  2. The Gunfighter | A Short Film by Eric Kissack (narrated by Nick Offerman)
  3. Real Life Goldeneye 64

 
 

Note: For anyone looking for Star Wars fan films, or to post up some short Star Wars fan films, this may be of some use…

The ‘Star Wars Fan Films’ section of ‘An Index & Help Thread for The Expanded Universe’ - in The Expanded Universe forum.

…with a general conversation thread for the subject, here - Star Wars Fan Films / Shorts - a general discussion thread

 

Last Updated: 22nd September, 2021.

 

Links to the Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com; Introduce yourself in here + useful info within, plus About, and Help sections.

A link to the ‘How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com - some info & replies to members’ FAQs thread, in General Assistance.

Links to the OT.com Forum Rules and Guidelines & Fan Edit / Preservation Forum Rules and FAQ threads, in Announcements.

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#1449928
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<strong>The 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special</strong> - a general discussion thread
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Rodney-2187 said:

This makes me think if there is ever a release of the unaltered theatrical versions of the original trilogy, it will be streaming on Disney+ only and not on a disc.

You could well be right on that, mate. Same for the 1997 Special Edition version too (of which pristine prints are already in existence - yet remains unreleased).

 


 

From Pablo Hildago’s twitter - https://twitter.com/pabl0hidalgo/status/1440524396569903113
 

 
When someone highlighted the image seemed to be of a higher quality than is usually out there - ‘Say…that’s an AWFULLY CLEAR screengrab…’

Pablo responded with - 'I have my sources. 😉

 

If Pablo is inferring there is a ‘high quality’ version of the Holiday Special in their archives… then hopefully one day we’ll see it up on Disney+. After all, there is not much point in such a version being kept in there and remaining unseen by the fans…
 

(not forgetting the many quality preservation projects of it on here, of course!)
 

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#1449838
Topic
Star Wars internet Rabbit holes
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This is one that may be familiar to the more longer-suffering serving members on here…
 

EC Henry’s youtube channel (OT•com member Aalenfae) - www.youtube.com/c/ECHenry/videos

 
Some insightful and highly engaging videos on Star Wars (and Trek) - from a whole library of obscure ships seen in the background of the Original Trilogy films, to decoding the text found in the X-Wing fighter cockpits, through to in-depth looks at the design of various ships and vehicles - and the scores of general designs and styles found throughout the films. Also a few old-skool (balanced and reasoned - without hyperbole and toxicity) observations on Star Wars, from a different point of view.

Plus a whole lot more…
 

His 2016 ‘The Force Awakens is NOT a Remake of A New Hope’ video is well worth 3 minutes of anyone’s time.

The A Defense of Ewoks is also a quality and intriguing short video.
 

Aalenfae’s Star Wars Video Essays - OT•com thread : Website - www.echenry.com
 

A few more of EC Henry’s quality videos can be found here - Random YouTube / Vimeo video finds thread for the Original Trilogy
 

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#1449752
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RocketJump's Video on Star Wars &quot;being saved in the edit&quot; is Literally a Lie
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SparkySywer said:

oojason said:

Stardust1138 said:

Marcia Lucas spoke about this in Jonathan Rinzler’s Howard Kazanjian book. She debunks the narrative that she is the sole reason for “saving” the film.

Many of us on here are aware of the downplaying or ignoring of Marcia Lucas’ contributions to the films in the official Star Wars history - and applaud content which illustrates and highlights her input - along with the input and work of others too… yet there is now a narrative where she is the sole reason for ‘saving’ the film? And the above words debunked that narrative? Huh.

Come on man, I know you’ve heard this before. This isn’t new to you.

Marcia, as part of the editing team that ‘saved the film’? Of course.

Marcia, among many other countless contributions (Kurtz, Laddie, Boone Jr, Lippincott, Huyck & Katz etc) to making the film what it was / ‘saving the film’? Of course.

Marcia, where there is now a narrative that she is the sole reason for ‘saving’ the film? No. Hence the question of ‘there is now a narrative where she is the sole reason for ‘saving’ the film?’
 

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#1449688
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RocketJump's Video on Star Wars &quot;being saved in the edit&quot; is Literally a Lie
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Stardust1138 said:

Marcia Lucas spoke about this in Jonathan Rinzler’s Howard Kazanjian book. She debunks the narrative that she is the sole reason for “saving” the film.

Many of us on here are aware of the downplaying or ignoring of Marcia Lucas’ contributions to the films in the official Star Wars history - and applaud content which illustrates and highlights her input - along with the input and work of others too… yet there is now a narrative where she is the sole reason for ‘saving’ the film? And the above words debunked that narrative? Huh.
 

It was all a collaborative process and George was very much involved in piecing it all together.

Indeed, and yet it is such a shame that some of the content out there which attempts to highlight the contributions of others to the Original Trilogy is somehow labelled as ‘lying, biased nonsense with misdirection and misinformation across the board’ along with false inferences that the editors somehow created Star Wars, or that such content is viewed to be an affront or insult to George, or ‘literally a lie’.

Especially so when one of those people who had a significant input on the Original Trilogy has seemingly been omitted / erased from the official Star Wars history.

 

The following passage of words by Marcia Lucas didn’t get much attention on social media (unlike the quotes re the Prequels and Sequels has over the past day or so) - yet they are worth putting up on here… it is the foreword written by Marcia for the book ‘Howard Kazanjian: A Producer’s Life’, by the late JW Rinzler:-

 
Seems like it is a good intriguing book - I hope people do read it (and not just Marcia’s quotes on the Prequels & Sequels).

 

As well as looking up other rare content where Marcia talks about her work and contributions on the Original Trilogy films…
 

Star Wars 40th with Marcia Lucas and Duwayne Dunham’:-

https://vimeo.com/224132896 - a 10 minute video at the Athena Studios vimeo channel.
 

The blurb: ‘Academy Award-winning editor and George Lucas’ former wife Marcia Lucas discusses the creation of Star Wars with Emmy-winning editor Duwayne Dunham who worked on The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.

From the 40th Anniversary ILM reunion held at 32ten Studios on May 27th, 2017.’

 
 

Star Wars Visual Effects Pioneers Highlight The Academy’s “Galactic Innovations: Star Wars & Rogue One” Event’:-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOxfmq0nCEs - a 2 and a half hour video from the Alexis Alcázar youtube channel.
 

The blurb: 'Watch live as VFX pioneers behind “Star Wars” and “Rogue One” share the journey of creating the impossible with their breakthrough visual effects.

We’ll share rare images that compare the technology and visual results from both films. Guests include John Dykstra, Dennis Muren, John Knoll, Ben Burtt, Marcia Lucas, Bill George, Harrison Ellenshaw, Bruce Nicholson, Richard Edlund and Rachel Rose.’

^ Marcia appears on the video to talk about the editing aspects of Star Wars at 60 mins, alongside Ben Burtt - then later at 2h 07m.

 
 

 
Edit: Plus, this in-depth ‘In Tribute to Marcia Lucas’ article written by the author of The Secret History of Star Wars - Michael Kaminski (aka zombie84):-

http://fd.noneinc.com/secrethistoryofstarwarscom/secrethistoryofstarwars.com/marcialucas.html
 

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#1449578
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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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Servii said:

It’s important to understand that, when it comes to liking or disliking a fictional space movie, morality has no bearing on a person’s opinion. Whether or not you like a space adventure movie says nothing about you as a human being, because it’s just a movie.

I remember after TLJ came out, and for the next couple years, there was a massive wave of articles by journalists that tried to either trivialize or vilify criticizers of the film. “It’s just Russian bots.” “It’s just a small group of racist trolls online.” “They’re not real fans, anyway. They’re just manbabies who don’t understand the true meaning of Star Wars.” I heard all of these repeatedly from journalists, with similar sentiments even being repeated by Lucasfilm employees. Of course, antagonizing your own customers is never a good idea, no matter how little you care about them. But the whole thing was so bizarre, I still can’t fully wrap my head around it.

That was because it was true (the part about Russian bots, trolls spammers - the racists, sexists and homophobes - we even had numbers of them on here). There is a massive disconnect between criticising and outing these fuckwits - and ‘antagonizing your own customers’, as you claim.

Valid, reasoned and constructive criticism was never really the main issue - though fans would do well to find such reviews and critiques in amongst the sheer volume of clickbait, toxic, alt-right tickbox wording, algorithm-led videos and sensationalist articles out there. Some of it is indeed disingenuous - as certain youtubers did a 180 on their initial stance on the films and then decided to board the toxicity train for the clicks, publicity and money… along with a seemingly guaranteed number of subscribers championing it all.

^ That was main issue… the sheer volume of Russian bots, trolls spammers - the racists, sexists and homophobes - along with toxic, tickboxed, algorithm-led videos and content - it actually dwarfed any actual the valid, reasoned and constructive criticism.

Even some fans on message boards who had genuine criticism of the films (even on here), agreed with, or stayed quiet, and even overlooked… some of the trolls, sexists and homophobes negative comments. Instead of calling the toxic trolls out… they silently ignored them - often making posts in amongst racist, sexist and homophobic posts - and then were somehow ‘surprised’ when they were lumbered in with the toxic elements themselves, or felt ‘maligned’ when their views were ignored or dismissed because of it.
 

People have often used the bullying and harassment of ST actors as proof that ST detractors are vile, hateful people. And the people who do those things are vile and hateful. Yet people seem quick to forget when Reylos harassed John Boyega and said a bunch of vitriolic, borderline racist things to him because he made a joke about their ship. Or when Reylos stalked Daisy Ridley, as well as Adam Driver and his family. Or when ST fans attacked Mark Hamill for posting a photoshopped image of all the OT heroes in the cockpit of the Falcon together. Or when Star Wars writer Chuck Wendig went on an extended Twitter rant calling detractors various words for “scum” and “human garbage”.

People aren’t so ‘quick to forget’ the issues with Boyega and Reylos, Daisy Ridley or Adam Driver - as they likely don’t know about such issues, or weren’t in their consciousness for long. I’ve never heard of Driver and his family being harassed (I quickly asked around some pro-Sequel fans… they don’t recall that either… not saying it didn’t happen - just that people may not have known, or have since forgot). I vaguely remember something Daisy and John having issues with ‘Reylos’ - though this was after the film had premiered and possibly after the furore over the films had past, along with mentions of it in the news.

Re Chuck Wendig… you mean Wendig’s “Civility is for normalcy. When things are normal and working as intended, civility is part of maintaining balance. But when that balance is gone … your civility gives them cover for evil.” vs those in and around Comicsgate (Van Sciver and followers?), an alt-right campaign to fight the spread of diversity in comics that has a history of harassing leftist and progressive comics creators, who sought to persistently attack Wendig himself.

The point is, in a debate over a fictional story, there’s no “good side” or “bad side”, and it’s not helpful to view a debate like that in such terms. It’s important to take a step back sometimes and remember these are just movies. Anyone who views arguing over fictional, pop culture media as some sort of moral crusade is not in a healthy frame of mind.

Agreed. Yet it is also important to remember and question just who is disseminating that information / views, reviews and criticism - and why - to say nothing of examining the validity of such content.
 

Much of your post covers matters already discussed to death in the TLJ and TROS threads. Let’s leave it there and get back to discussing the Sequel Trilogy itself as a whole - thank you.
 

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#1449474
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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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Servii said:

As for the discussion of whether TLJ lines up well with TFA, I just remembered this quote from Mary Jo Markey, one of the editors of TFA, that’s relevant to that topic.

“It’s very strange to have the second film so consciously undo the storytelling of the first one. I’m sorry that’s what it felt like. I don’t even feel that’s true about the third film. It took where the second film ended and just tried to tell a story. I didn’t feel like it was consciously trying to undo — it just didn’t feel that way to me.”

Mary Jo Markey of Bad Robot? JJ Abrams’ production company - that produced both TFA and TROS…

Still deflecting blame away from themselves onto others for TROS, eh? I am stunned 😉
 

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#1449462
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Star Wars internet Rabbit holes
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My collection of vintage British Star Wars memorabilia’:-

https://www.ukstarwars.com (just for clarity - it is not my website or actual collection):-
 

The blurb - ‘This web site is the home for a personal collection of memorabilia from the Star Wars movie saga, focusing mainly on items produced in Britain or for the British market, during the ‘vintage’ period between 1976 and 1988.’
 

^ Some great images of old content and varied memorabilia - including old promo posters from high street stores long gone.

The ‘More’ section is well worth checking out - several categories in there - with some great old pieces from the official Fan Club, and much more…

 
 

^ Star Wars UK Quad Poster - ‘This is the Star Wars Quad poster with artwork by Tom Chantrell. It’s the second version of the poster to be used; the original did not have the the Academy Awards text.’

A shame none of the various Special Editions of Star Wars ('77) can claim those awards anymore.
 

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#1449272
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Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (Special Navajo Edition) Official DVD (Released)
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Preserving the force of Navajo language: Dubbing ‘Star Wars: A New Hope’’:-

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2021/09/17/preserving-the-force-of-navajo-language-dubbing-star-wars-a-new-hope
 

^ A quality and absorbing article on how the Navajo language dubbing for Star Wars came about - including how it was put together - and also with some touching and personal stories from those involved. Well worth a read.

 

Rikter has put together a superb DVD cover for this release too:-

Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (Navajo Limited Edition) Preservation DVD Cover

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#1449178
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Definitive VIDEO Guide to Star Wars Changes (WIP; FEEDBACK WANTED)
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Re Section 1; on the general presentational front… I think you got it spot on.

For a 40 minute video it didn’t feel that long - and you left me wanting to see more. The humour spaced throughout didn’t jar - and was a welcome addition without being too OTT or distracting (you know people are going to pause the video and rush off to post on reddit that Lucas played old-timey piano for some theatre showings - before they later delete their posts after watching the rest of the video!) 😃

You also did a great job with the comparisons between differing takes and audio used - keeping them clear & concise. The presentation and transitions between the many differing takes made them easy to distinguish, intriguing to watch, and easier to remember (which is important important for fans of a certain age).

I think you’re going to surprise a lot of people and have them reaching for their old videos, laserdiscs and such to play the differences themselves. As well as jogging a lot of good memories even for those who know their pre-97 stuff.

Quality work, 13las.

👍
 

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#1449121
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'<strong>LEGO Star Wars: Terrifying Tales</strong>' - The Halloween Special - 1st October on Disney+
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The official Lego youtube channel released six short ‘Celebrate The Season : Halloween’ Star Wars videos yesterday…
 

Celebrate the Season: Scary Starship’ - www.youtube.com/watch?v=laljMWfHz_A (105 seconds)

Celebrate the Season: Trick-or-Treat’ - www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWCxMDcoUr8 (105 seconds)

Celebrate the Season: The Pumpkin Batch’ - www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZrPKEoBLXk (105 seconds)

Celebrate the Season: Carving Up the Competition’ - www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTqyhixoAK8 (90 seconds)

Celebrate the Season: Ghost Ship’ - www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNYcKdwG3M (90 seconds)

Celebrate the Season: Halloween Compilation’ - www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GQ_VdHcV4U (8 minute video)
 

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#1449077
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Help: Looking for... Adywan's 1997 Reconstruction for Empire Strikes Back. (FOUND)
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A quick ‘site search’ and this came up this helpful post (among many others)

Bluto said:

As for ESB 1997, Adywan released a nice version in both MKV (14 GB) and AVCHD (8 GB) formats. Both are available on Usenet by searching for “adywan 1997” in the NZBKing search engine. If you haven’t used Usenet before, I would recommend NZBGet software along with a free account from the “free-usenet” provider. It might take you a day or two to download, but hey - it’s free!

^ from the Star Wars OT & 1997 Special Edition - Various Projects Info thread, by dark_jedi - the 1st thread listed up on the ‘1997 Special Edition project list’ in the Index for ‘Original Trilogy Preservations’ section.

Bluto also has a most helpful thread here - Guide to Downloading Projects from Usenet - which may be of some use too. 👍
 

It is also up on MySpleen, and I think I have seen it around some public torrent sites too (I’ve no idea if people are still seeding it).

 

A quick online search says adywan’s project thread for this (among others) is here…

THE STAR WARS SAGA - 1080P AVCHD DVD-9 for PS3 & Blu-Ray players - Episodes 1, 4 & 5 available now

 
 

It is worth noting that the talented I’mBateman has completed and released two quality 1997 HD projects for ESB and ROTJ…

Empire - https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Empire-Strikes-Back-1997-HD-a-more-accurate-Reconstruction-Released/id/70177

Jedi - https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-Jedi-1997-Special-Edition-HD-Reconstruction-Released/id/69479
 

There are also other 1997 SE projects listed up in the An Index Of Projects & Help Thread for Star Wars Preservations… too - it may also be worth checking the ‘Saga’ project threads for any similar OT releases as well.
 

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#1449063
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Blu-Ray and other HD box size STAR WARS covers
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InlandEmperor said:

I have these on Blu-ray, but I sized these for thick DVD cases because that way it (mostly) fits perfectly in the box from the VHS box set.

Now if I can just figure out where to get a copy of the 1997 HD versions of Empire and Jedi, I’ll be all set. But I have no idea where/how to get full-length fan edits. I’ve read the tutorials on this page, but I’m just inept.

InlandEmperor said:

^ all from https://imgur.com/a/MaEzj6O

This is just the Case Covers, Disc Labels, and Fan Art section of the site.

If you are looking for Star Wars preservation projects… it is worth looking in the An Index Of Projects & Help Thread for Star Wars Preservations… thread - in the Star Wars Preservation section of the site for such projects mate 👍