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#1403398
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What is your main way of watching the Original Trilogy?
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These days it is nothing but the 1978 ‘Minicinex Projector’ way of watching Star Wars for me… 😉

From the Star Wars Home Video Library #372: Italian Minicinex’:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shJX9VfPDss - a 13 minute video from the Nathan Butler youtube channel

(actual footage from the projector starts 9 minutes into the above video)
 

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#1402992
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The Random YouTube, Vimeo etc. video finds thread for Beyond the OT
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Jyn’s Heroes - Rogue One: A Star Wars Story Meets Kelly’s Heroes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZgHzRm66a8 - 3 minute video from the RNKFanArt youtube channel

The blurb: ‘What if Rogue One had not been made in 2016 but in 1970? It might have looked like this. Rogue One re-imagined as the WWII caper film Kelly’s Heroes starring Clint Eastwood. Music and font from the film released in 1970. Special thanks to T. C. for recreating the font from the film.’

 

^ a ‘4 woofs out of a possible 5 woof’ rating.

Lost a ‘woof’ for not having a…

looks at Planet Shield
“Its still up!”

Planet Shield gets blown up
“No it ain’t!”

…gag in it! Though some top puns / dad-jokes in the commentary section. 👍
 

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#1402963
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PROJECT EWOK: Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor 1080p Blu-Ray covers v.1
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Vick1138 said:

Hi there. These two films are childhood favorites and would love to see upscale versions. How can I go about seeing these files?

Hi and welcome 😃

If you head on over to the Star Wars Preservation section of the site you’ll find countless projects in there.

The An Index Of Projects & Help Thread for Star Wars Preservations… thread may help you find what you are looking for too.

In there you should find what you are looking for… Project Ewok | Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor - 4K Upscales - along with some other preservation projects available for the two Ewok theatrical films.

Read through the project thread linked above for instructions on how to acquire these projects. If there are no instructions in there… then this may be of use:-

I have found a Fan Edit / Preservation I am interested in - but don’t know how to get / acquire / download it? in the ‘How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + member FAQs
 

Of course, you’ll have to own the official retail release, as per the site’s Fan Edit / Preservation Forum Rules and FAQ.

After watching them, please feel free to leave some feedback or discuss the edit in the project thread…
 

Good luck with it 👍
 

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#1402864
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Song Of The South - many projects, much info & discussion thread (Released)
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macesmajored said:

Is there a link to an workprint or working render of this? I’d love to take a look if someone can drop me a PM. (Bit confused by “Released” in the thread title because some of the most recent posts make this sound unreleased)

(EDIT) Just trying to bump this up again if anyone has a link, very curious to take a look at this!

The thread has ‘Released’ in the title as there have been a few releases of various ‘Song Of The South’ projects in this thread since 2006 (there are 4/5 main project releases discussed in the first 15 pages alone).

Though I’ll edit the thread title to reflect there are many projects discussed in here (many of which were released).

Yoshikiller25 and a few others are apparently still working on their project - and hopefully that will be released soon too. 👍
 

Anyone asking for links should likely state which project release they wish to acquire - to help avoid any confusion 😃
 

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#1402786
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<em><strong>Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order</strong></em> (Video Game)
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Some welcome news for those with a PS5 or Xbox X - and this game…
 

A surprise patch for Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order has dropped which updates the game to take advantage of the power of PS5 and Xbox Series X’:-

https://expansivedlc.com/star-wars-jedi-fallen-order-gets-next-gen-patch-to-improve-performance
 

'The main adjustments are improved framerate at a stable 60FPS (which is up from 45 FPS) – The game also has improved dynamic resolution ranges and improved post-processing.

On PlayStation 5, the post-processing is now 1440p with the game rendering at 1200p. Series X, meanwhile, now offers postprocessing up to 4K and a dynamic resolution ranging between 1512p and 2160p.

The free update is available now and follows a big day for Star Wars which sees Lucasfilm Games announce a collaboration with Ubisoft Massive to make a new open world game.

Speculation has also risen that Jedi: Fallen Order 2 could be announced in due course.

Lucasfilm Games also made headlines yesterday, announcing a collaboration with Bethesda and Machine Gun Games to make a new Indiana Jones game.’
 

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#1402580
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Lucasfilm Games
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‘After almost eight years of exclusivity with EA, Lucasfilm Games will be joining forces with Ubisoft to create an open-world Star Wars game. And that’s just the beginning.’ - https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/1349336675047120897

^ Link to article: https://www.wired.com/story/lucasfilm-games-star-wars-ubisoft-indiana-jones-bethesda

 

‘We’re thrilled to announce we are working with @Ubisoft and @UbiMassive to develop a brand-new, story-driven, open-world Star Wars adventure! Learn more about the future of @LucasfilmGames in the Star Wars galaxy and beyond: https://www.starwars.com/news/lucasfilm-games-interview

^ https://twitter.com/LucasfilmGames/status/1349363457557098499
 

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#1402567
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<strong>The &quot;ADigitalMan Special Editions&quot; DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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Chase Adams said:

SandMTV said:

Ask Aak is not in TPM. You changed Ask Moe’s line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6l8MFdTaPE

Just kidding. 😉

But in case anyone missed it, these projects have likely become one with the force.

Or we could check the previous page😉
 

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#1402267
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<strong>2026 SE</strong> : The changes to the OT films &amp; general 2026 (or future) SE discussion thread
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Given that George replaced Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen for this scene in the 2004 Special Edition of ROTJ:-

 
I’m surprised George didn’t also replace Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen for this scene below. Though maybe George was waiting until Hayden is somewhat older before filming it and then making the change…?

(Maybe there are plans to just change it for everyone’s Disney+ version / another Special Edition release at some point in the future! 😉 I’m just kidding, just kidding…)
 

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#1401959
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TheStarWarsTrilogy.com
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Invitation codes have been available since early December 2020; in one of - if not all - of the actual 4KXX project threads on here.

The second post of this thread has stated there are invitation codes available for TSWT forums in the three main 4KXX threads since early January too…
 

oojason said:

OT.com Page for 4K77 : OT.com Page for 4K80 : OT.com Page for 4K83

^ There are invitation codes to the TSWT forums in each of the Opening Posts of these three 4KXX project threads.
 

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#1401954
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The Star Wars Edit Request Thread: Request the links to Star Wars fan edits here
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georgethree33 said:

I’m new here but looking for “Episode I: The Phantom Edit 1.2 - Magnoliafan Remaster”
If you have it, I’d love to get a link to it. Thanks.

Hopefully these may be of some use or help mate:-

Help: looking for… The Phantom Re-Edit 1.2 (AKA The New York Version)

Info Wanted: ? The “cursedgame” “No Jar Jar” Phantom Edit?

The Phantom Edit - a general discussion thread…

and this thread has some of MagnoliaFan’s other Prequel Edits - it may have a mention or info on the the The Phantom Edit 1.2 in there somewhere too?:-

MagnoliaFan Edits - “Balance” and “Clone War” (Released)
 

Good luck with it 👍
 

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#1401871
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Evidence of OOT at Lucasfilm?
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A bit of a bump this one, a lengthy post at that too (sorry!), though hopefully one I think is worth it - or just as an update here…

Feel free to add any other articles or additional sources of information on the topic too 👍
 

Some other threads of note and relevance - or just may be of interest…

4K restoration on Star Wars - a 2014 thread

Some useful OT.com threads re the release of the theatrical OT films | How you can help - a 2020 thread

Insightful & informative sources of info: Saving Star Wars & The Secret History of Star Wars (all kudos to zombie84 & ‘none’).

 


 

In the summer of 2006, when Lucasfilm gave in to fan pressure and announced they would be releasing the unaltered theatrical version of the Original Trilogy on DVD (what would become known as the ‘2006 GOUT Bonus Disc Release’)

 

…Lucasfilm also announced a sting in the tail shortly afterwards:-

 
Not only of the the news that this 2006 DVD release would be in letterbox format - and not in anamorphic widescreen…

Or that the transfer to be used for the 2006 DVD release would be from what was used for the 1993 Definitive Edition Laserdiscs - a 13 year old project and, even back then (in 2006)… be of substandard quality - using compressed sound and adding DVNR to reduce the picture quality and detail further…

That the return “to the Lucasfilm Archives to search exhaustively for source material that could be presented on DVD.” as originally stated by Lucasfilm Vice-President Jim Ward… seemingly turned out to be not very exhaustive - or much of a search, at all.

This is the only time the unaltered theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy has been officially released on a digital format…
 

Lucasfilm now claimed that…

“The negatives of the movies were permanently altered for the creation of the Special Editions”

 
^ Quite the definitive statement, that - and one taken at it’s word by many at the time (much to our chagrin)… yet we all know this claim from Lucasfilm not to be the case.

Negatives can be reconfigured, copies made - and then altered (as they have been done for the 2019 SE release - based on a digitised copy of a 1997 SE). Other copies and prints of the theatrical version of the Original Trilogy also exist…
 

With Lucasfilm also claiming that…

“Existing prints of the first versions (the unaltered theatrical version) are in poor condition”

 
^ Yet we know with certainty that is not the case given Lucas’ showing of a 70mm print of Star Wars in 2019 and other various screenings - both private and public - over the years. Not to mention Lucas’ own theatrical Technicolor prints of the trilogy, other IB Technicolor prints known to exist and some have been shown, the interpositives and fine-grain prints, let alone numerous other prints in existence - and even theatrical prints out there which form the basis for fan preservations…

Even in 2006, Robert Harris - the man who had hand-restored ‘Vertigo’, ‘Lawrence of Arabia’, and ‘The Godfather’ - is on record saying he knows there are pristine 35mm elements available for use, and offered his services to restore the film - Lucasfilm did not respond to his offer.

 

 

Whilst Lucasfilm have remained silent since its 2006 PR release, George Lucas himself did briefly talk about the issue of restoring the unaltered theatrical version of the films - when announcing the ‘2011 Special Edition’ version of the Original Trilogy for blu ray - back in 2010…

 
Again, like the Lucasfilm PR release in 2006… George’s words in the above article are somewhat disingenuous - in that there is no need to once more…

“go through and do a whole restoration on it, and you have to do that digitally”

…when if fact you only need to restore & digitise the original theatrical scenes not used for the 1997 Special Edition, and then re-edit those scenes back into the film - not the whole process as stated by George - afterall, the rest of the digitised restoration has already been completed.
 

The same applies to George’s claim that…

“It’s a very, very expensive process to do it. So when we did the transfer to digital, we only transferred really the upgraded version.”

…again, you only need to restore & digitise the original theatrical scenes not used for the 1997 Special Edition, and then re-edit those scenes back into the film - not the whole process as stated by George - afterall, the rest of the digitised restoration has already been completed.

 

 

SaveStarWars•com’s article on George Lucas’ 2011 blu ray announcement and restoration claims - ‘The Star Wars Blu-Ray Blues’ - goes into further detail on this:-

 

 

Even back in 2004, prior to the DVD release of the Original Trilogy, here is George Lucas on the supposed cost of restoring the Original Trilogy films in the Lucas talks as ‘Star Wars’ trilogy returns:-

 

“I’m not going to spend the, we’re talking millions of dollars here, the money and the time to refurbish that, because to me, it doesn’t really exist anymore.”

 
That’s quite another disingenuous statement from George. Afterall, the bill for the entire 1997 Special Edition project was paid for by Fox, and as we can see from the quote below… “the theatrical release would pay for the work we had done”.

From the How the Grinch Stole Star Wars article on the Save Star Wars website:-

It was also a free lesson, a practice run, invaluable research and development - “an experiment in learning new technology” for the coming CGI-laden Prequel Trilogy.

To roll back the 35 new ‘enhanced with CGI’ shots made for the 1997 Special Edition theatrical releases… to the original theatrical editions, to remove (or just not insert) the 30 brand new shots, and the other changes / edits made for the 1997 SE certainly would NOT have cost millions of dollars.

 
 

Going back to the George Lucas quote taken above…

“I’m not going to spend the, we’re talking millions of dollars here, the money and the time to refurbish that, because to me, it doesn’t really exist anymore.”

If George Lucas does not wish to ‘spend the money and time to refurbish’ and release the award winning, landscape changing, and much loved version of the Original Trilogy films which stood for near-on 20 years… an important part of American film history and pop-culture… then why not strike a deal with Criterion, or another respected preservation and restoration company, and give the best prints & elements required to furnish such a release?

A release for the version of the Original Trilogy that Lucasfilm has admitted to there an ‘overwhelming demand’ for, that Lucasfilm employees are asked repeatedly about today, that people who worked on the three original classic films wish to have, along with others who have worked on latter Star Wars projects over the years also want… and not forgetting the countless fans who would still love to have the option to buy and experience once again - with their children, childrens’ children, friends and family - the world over…

 

 

There is also the possibility of using any of the numerous recently recalled film prints of the theatrical version of the Original Trilogy films from circulation… to aid in any issues with restoring or preserving elements for such a release.

Not to mention any superior 2nd generation copies struck from the original negative, 3rd generations copies, 4th generation copies, and so on… that were or are already in Lucasfilm’s possession - or available to them.

^ The above image, and more information, can be found in the link below…

The Frequently Asked Questions section of the Save Star Wars website.
 

Working links contained in the above image - with a mass of informative & insightful information - can be found here:-

From Interpositives to Separation Masters: How Film Preservation Works - at the Save Star Wars website.

Saving Star Wars: The Special Edition Restoration Process and its Changing Physicality - at the SHoSW website (re-hosted by ‘none’).

 

We also know George Lucas throws nothing away when it comes to his films…

^ from the ‘What We Want And How To Make It’ article by doubleofive on the Star Wars Visual Comparison blog.

 

 

These two articles from ARS Technica on the issues of restoring, preserving & releasing the classic OT films, also provides insight into what is actually possible in making an official release of the unaltered theatrical version of the Original Trilogy:-

‘Untouched is impossible: the story of Star Wars in film’ - 2010 article

‘Could Disney finally give us the remastered, unedited Star Wars we want?’ - 2017 article

 

 

Plus, we do know there are ‘perfect’ prints struck from the original negative of the Original Trilogy…

Rick McCallum - Producer of the Star Wars Special Edition - an interview with Rick McCallum, back in 1997:-

^ “Here is what we were talking about this earlier. One of the most frustrating things is, if you could see the print that stuck of the original negative that we have done - it’s perfect.”

 

 

On a side-note… the 2019 Special Edition ‘Maclunkey’ release (in 4K, blu ray and DVD) is based on a 1997 SE film print (or a digitised copy of), with the further changes made in the 2004 SE and and 2011 SE versions having been re-done for this release.

That such a pristine print exists, and given the history & importance of the 1997 Special Edition releases themselves; each film being released in the theatres, and later releases on Laserdisc, VHS and erm… VCD (and yet never on DVD). Along with a massive PR and marketing campaign at the time… each film did very well at the cinema - Star Wars : Empire Strikes Back : Return Of The Jedi; a total of around US $300m - not to mention income from toys & merchandising, licensing & promotional deals, and also later home video format releases etc.

For many people this was the first time they saw the Original Trilogy on the big screen… so why not release the 1997 Special Edition version on 4K, blu ray or DVD too - or even on Disney+? To give interested fans an option to buy and experience this particular version of the OT again - on a modern digital home format…

The negligible costs and immediate availability of such a release - originally as a ‘20th anniversary celebration’ of the Original Trilogy before becoming the de-facto version of the OT (before the 2004 SE, 2011 SE and 2019 SE releases - all featuring further changes made to the original three films) - surely makes sense in preserving this landmark aspect in the history of the Star Wars films, too?

 

The following two 2020 articles by OriginalTrilogy•com member doubleofive (who is also curator of the superb & insightfulStar Wars Visual Comparisonstwitter page and website), chronicles and highlights how many fans feel about not having the option to buy and experience an official release of the unaltered theatrical version of the Original Trilogy - and what can be done to remedy this…

Disney+ Should Offer the Star Wars Original Cuts — All of Them - at the Wired website.

What We Want And How To Make It - at the Star Wars Visual Comparisons website.

 

 

In 2017 it was confirmed that the footage from the unaltered theatrical version of the Original Trilogy, that was replaced for the 1997 Special Editions (and later SE releases) still exists - by 20th Century Fox’s Senior Vice President of ‘Library and Technical Services’ at the time, Shawn Belston:-

 

 

Also in 2017, Lucasfilm employee and Lucasfilm Story Group member Pablo Hildago tweeted

 

“Good morning! What’s kept the original theatrical editions off of home video is the same thing that’s always been doing that. It’s not a studio thing.”

 
followed by:-

“There’s one pretty noteworthy person who doesn’t want them released. Shouldn’t be too hard to research who that is.”

 
^ So it is not that such a release of the unaltered theatrical cuts cannot be physically be done - or that the elements or negatives don’t exist anymore - or that the negatives cannot be reconfigured. Nor is it claims that it would cost ‘millions of dollars’ to do, or that the classic cuts of the OT do not represent ‘George’s vision’ - when there have five separate official releases of ‘George’s visions’ to date - including the 1997 Special Edition (aka the supposed ‘The Final Cut’). Nor is it the debunked claim by Lucasfilm that “existing prints of the first versions (the unaltered theatrical version) are in poor condition”…

… it appears it is simply that one man doesn’t want the unaltered theatrical version of the Original Trilogy to be released.

 

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#1401216
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Info Wanted: I have on original copy of Star Wars on V2000. Need help with value, Is it rare? Can't find any info. Cheers. MTFBWY.
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It is certainly rare - though I have no idea on the value, sorry mate.
 

Is this the tape you have: http://www.starwarshomevideo.com/2018/11/star-wars-uk-video-2000-v2000-1983.html ?

This may contain some useful info to you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUo3_sDX-rU (Nathan Butler youtube channel)
 

The starwarsforum.co.uk - a UK Vintage Star Wars Collecting Forum may be able to give you some clue on the value etc.

There is also the https://forum.rebelscum.com - US-based; yet larger Star Wars collecting forum.

(or hopefully there may be someone on here able to chip in with some info…)
 

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#1401181
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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EvantheKidDS said:

oojason said:

EvantheKidDS said:

How is 2021 for you all?

Good, good.

I’ve a feeling it won’t be a good start to the year for certain people in here with a history of derailing this thread… 👍

You? Actually, you may wish to continue a conversation on how 2021 has been for everyone so far in the ‘Culture and Current Events’ section of the site - instead of doing so in here.
 

Thanks for the heads-up. I’ll remember to post anything not concerning this topic where it belongs. I apologize.

Thanks mate - and have a good 2021 yourself (and also to everyone on here too).
 

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#1401072
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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EvantheKidDS said:

How is 2021 for you all?

Good, good.

I’ve a feeling it won’t be a good start to the year for certain people in here with a history of derailing this thread… 👍

You? Actually, you may wish to continue a conversation on how 2021 has been for everyone so far in the ‘Culture and Current Events’ section of the site - instead of doing so in here.