oojason

Starfighter has officially wrapped filming…

oojason said:

JadedSkywalker said:

oojason said:

JadedSkywalker said:

George wasn’t going to make sequels he was going to make Star Wars underworld and that never got made.

Disney’s priority was to make a commercial for a theme park. And to sell toys. Other ancillary merchandise. Storytelling was never as important as corporate planning was. They have shareholder calls and meetings, corporate boards and governance. Quarterly quotas.

Yeah, for me his ideas for Underworld sure seem a lot more intriguing than what we’ve learnt of his Sequel Trilogy outlines. 👍

A pity we never got to see that - especially given the writing talents assorted for the series (though some aspects of it have been rejigged for stories in other SW series since?).
 

Some of his sequel ideas have also been repurposed. If Mando and Gorgo holds to be true they will be facing warlords running the remnants of the Empire. And Dave Filoni is using George’s ideas in Darth Maul Shadow lord with Darth Talon.

Wasn’t Luke as a colonel Kurtz like character allegedly in George’s treatment. That sort of ended up in the Last Jedi if not in the way George would have handled it. The astral projection/ Luke is a legend stuff. and not a straightforward redemption arc. That does not sound like George at all. I also don’t picture Lucas making the prequel Jedi failures and Luke’s meta narrative. Chuck the lightsaber it’s time for the Jedi to end. Burn the tree with the Jedi texts, oh that is right Rey stole them.

I do like the idea that the force is bigger than the light side and the dark side and its vanity that the force dies if the jedi religion dies. The balance being bigger than the jedi and Sith conflict is interesting and then its abandoned.

I gave the DOTF script another read through last night (I’d forgotten how enjoyable and engaging it was) - and there is certainly that aspect of the Force being addressed throughout the script (especially with Rey; and meshing / riffing with themes on Luke and Vader in ROTJ).

For me, the finale was quite intriguing on the subject (and also breaking that problematic and bizarre Jedi dogma introduced and portrayed in the PT - as well as tackling the somewhat traditional circular nature of the Light & Dark overall)…

Obi-Wan: Your true self is free of suffering. Free of pain.
Yoda: Taught us much, you have.
Rey: I’ve taught you?
Yoda: Mmm. Succeeded where we have failed. Narrow was our point of view.
Luke: You chose to embrace the Dark Side and the Light. To find balance within.
Yoda: Co-exist, they must, as such feelings do in all of us.

and later - upon Rey’s return…

Leia: But there’s a calm I’ve never felt. Balance.
 

Rey actually learning from the mistakes of the past to actually move forward with a new Jedi Order (as of the DOTF) would’ve been something of interest to see in any later / post-ST era on-screen appearances… evolving both the story and lore onwards.

I’ll be giving the animated fan comic film another whirl tonight. 👍
 

And then another read-through of George’s belated ~2012 Sequel Trilogy outlines.
 

I finally got around to a read through of George’s belated ~2012 Sequel Trilogy outlines again (it had been a long time since last going though them)… yeah, I think we dodged a bullet there.

It does sound like a ‘Prequel 2.0’, as you say. I can happily re-watch TFA, TLJ, and DOTF - though couldn’t and can’t watch the official PT yet again (or anything like that)… I’d just be bored… and life is too short. Thankfully we have a whole catalogue of quality and engaging fan edits to choose from instead if ever wanting a better, more enjoyable PT and ST experience. 😃

Quality choices and options - always welcome to have. 👍 Atom-88’s PT & ST Edits look to be intriguing and shaping up quite well.
 

JadedSkywalker said:

The one I dislike Is Darth Maul alive. I still think he died in the Phantom Menace. Though its hard to see how it could be as bad as Disney’s return of Sidous. Somehow Palpatine returned. I don’t know if It could even enjoy the novelty of it if I wasn’t familiar with Dark Empire and aware how bad an adaption of that comic the film was.

Yeah, Lucas even re-shot/re-edited the Darth Maul death scene as to split the character in two to make sure fans realised Maul was dead in TPM. I think I remember Lucas describing Maul as something along the lines of a being a henchman, a ‘pawn’, not a main villain etc… at the time when he was being criticised by fans for killing Maul off with little screen time in TPM - given the heavy marketing, PR, and merchandising of Maul as a character.

Of course it makes perfect sense that would bring Maul back to be the main villain in his Sequel Trilogy… 😉
 

For me, that Lucas would still be making ‘The Chosen One’ prophecy a thing in his ST… was a little underwhelming. I’m glad we dodged that particular bullet.

I think the story should have been about Luke being a father. And the legacy of Vader.

Aye, that or Leia as a mother, could have made for some fertile ground from a storytelling perspective.

Was it Broom Kid that came up with a similar cracking idea that in a recent post? It may have been making the PT about Padme or Kenobi as the central characters? (I’ll try and find it).

Edit: found it here (it was an idea for the PT)- https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/What-do-you-think-of-The-Prequel-Trilogy-A-general-discussion/id/92975/page/25#1661214
 

JadedSkywalker said:

I do wonder if George’s sequels would have been better simply for acknowledging the prequels exist, and therefore a coherent work if you will. A prequel 2.0. Since he had no desire to redo the original trilogy.

More revisionism and retcons, I think; a quick example would be George making Leia ‘The Chosen One’ in his ST instead. It would have been intriguing to see how he executed that, for sure. Though for me, TFA, TLJ and DOTF made for, or would have made for, a better ST than what we know of George’s belated ~2012 ST outline (and better than what we got with TROS).
 

In Praise of Great Exposition

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rywJKFunIGM - a 19 minute video from the Thomas Flight youtube channel.
 

The blurb: ‘Exposition in film and TV has a bad reputation but it’s really just another tool in the writer’s toolbox, and the quality of exposition can range from bad to great. This video examines some examples of truly great exposition.’
 

NEW SCREENSHOT COMPARISON - AND A NEW VIDEO CLIP - FROM EMPIRE STRIKES BACK…

ALI…

 
UHD…

 
2011 blu ray…

 
4K80…

 
The 2006 GOUT DVD…

a streamable video clip of the above scene: https://streamable.com/j9upxf

Zion said:

Hey everyone, I saw someone in here mention wanting to compare all the screenshots to the pre-SE home video releases, so I made some screenshots of the US Definitive Collection LD from the X0 Project capture. oojason has added them to this post:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/-Star-Wars-50th-anniversary-in-2027-Your-hopes-and-expectations-if-any-/id/135713/page/5#1665164

These are screenshots taken directly from the X0 capture files with minimal alteration (levels adjusted to 16-235, and cropped and resized to 720x405). The color is a fun comparison to the HD releases if nothing else. Enjoy.

Cracking image comparisons mate - the colours from The X0 project are a joy to see - and a welcome reminder of what Star Wars releases looked like before the 2004/2011/2019 releases.

Thanks for creating them and sending them my way - they were a pleasure to post up and include here. 👍
 

Meet the Video Store Owner Defying the Streaming Era

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGUXgf2CwdU - a 7 minute video from The Hollywood Reporter.
 

The blurb: ‘While corporate video stores like Blockbuster and Hollywood Video are a thing of the past, one local video store is defying the streaming era. Meet Matthew Renoir, the great-grandson of famed director Jean Renoir who owns Be Kind Video, a thriving video store in Burbank, California that’s fostered a community of film lovers young and old.’

more here: www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/matthew-renoir-video-store-burbank-1236348218
 

Mocata said:

Dagenspear said:

oojason said:

Aye, like Broom Kid’s post above - that is pretty much spot on for me, mate.

And like that, it doesn’t address what the problem is with it or what makes it poor.

Yeah, 100%. Along with the infamous lie and woeful attempt at re-writing history / time-travel from Lucas himself - an inane and bizarre attempt to give his then-new midichlorians idea some credibility (for want of a better word)… it certainly didn’t come from when Lucas attempted to claimed it to be - so ‘nowhere’ fits quite aptly.
 

How is it problematic, based on EU material doing something else? All of Star Wars is made up, just like the eu stuff about them having families was made up. Why is this a problem with these things or when they were developed?

The question of “when” is paramount when we’re dealing with real film history versus a bunch of phoney “my original vision” claims that keep changing.

Indeed - and especially so for an official book titled: ‘The Making of Star Wars - The Definitive Story Behind The Original Film’.

That Rinzler himself felt he needed to try and clarify the issue - due to fans noticing and highlighting George’s failed attempt at re-writing history - (on the official website) is lost on some of those… who wish to downplay or brush aside such topics - and yet are seemingly focused on little else.

Though thankfully not on here…

A brief overview of the OriginalTrilogy•com down the years… | Posting on the OriginalTrilogy•com…

👍
 

Some Interested Observer said:

oojason said:

A NEW VIDEO CLIP FROM STAR WARS…
 

after CC and FC pass only (prores)

Hmm, new types of clips? 🤔

Just a couple mate - hopefully they’ll soon return with the more ‘regular’ type of video uploads. 👍
 

Tobar said:

Just noticed Obi-Wan is reflected in Threepio’s crotch.

I’ll add that to the ever-growing list of ‘things that cannot be unseen’ in life 😃
 

A NEW VIDEO CLIP FROM STAR WARS…

‘after CC and FC pass only (prores)’

https://streamable.com/tlrvc0

Edit: and also this short video clip…
 

‘Actual_ID_wanted’

https://streamable.com/ej29c2
 

JadedSkywalker said:

For me it would be the prequel doctrine on attachment I disagree with. Because Jedi had families and children in Star Wars lore before the prequels. Just like how the chosen one thing was made up and so was midichlorians.

Aye, like Broom Kid’s post above - that is pretty much spot on for me, mate.

To get the Jedi celibacy thing you have to go all the way back to discarded script drafts for the original film, the son of the suns prophecy for the chosen one thing. Midichlorians came from nowhere.

Yeah, 100%. Along with the infamous lie and woeful attempt at re-writing history / time-travel from Lucas himself - an inane and bizarre attempt to give his then-new midichlorians idea some credibility (for want of a better word)… it certainly didn’t come from when Lucas attempted to claimed it to be - so ‘nowhere’ fits quite aptly.
 

Broom Kid said:

Lucas’ conception of the Jedi being weird emotionally stunted monks (which did not exist until he really started writing Episode I, either) was one of the worst decisions he made in the 90s, honestly. Along with aging Anakin down to 8, and not making Padme the main character of the Prequel trilogy.

he made a ton of absolutely terrible calls in his mythology as he made it up, and because so much of his own self-mythologizing is built around the grandiosity of his own creativity, he basically couldn’t retcon his own bad storytelling instinct to arrive at any of the interesting endpoints his bad setup COULD be saved by.

That Trevorrow wound up looking at the ingredients Lucas laid out for his mythology and arrived at an answer that makes SOME kind of emotional/philosophical sense (vs the dogmatic adherence to what “Balance of the Force has to mean”) kinda speaks to how stunted and forced every aspect of Jedi dogma, both textually AND metatextually.

It’s like Lucas (and Lucasfilm) forgot all this shit is made up, and the only real use any of it has is for allegorical storytelling, and for figuring out a way to use those elements in the pursuit of saying SOMETHING interesting about our own world and lives. Instead everyone at the company is more interested in protecting the canonical integrity of a completely made up religion as if it were a “real” one.

You nailed it.
 

A NEW AUDIO CLIP - FROM EMPIRE STRIKES BACK…

https://streamable.com/sdmowj - a 131 second audio-only clip.

 
A Mini-Index for info on the ALI OOT Restoration Leaks…

• An Introduction / Overview
• Image Screenshots & Comparisons
• Video & Audio Clips
• Media Coverage & Content
• FAQs
• News & Updates

The Beatles - Helter Skelter (Second Version, Take 17) - from Anthology 2025: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmIFcG1V7nQ
 

aileron said:

Sorry in advance, if this is a newbie question, but how do I get this GOUT restoration?

Simply send JawsTDS a PM asking for instructions on how to acquire it. 👍
 

❕ I have found a Fan Edit / Preservation I am interested in - but I don’t know how to get / acquire / download it? ❕

and…

❕ ‘How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + member FAQs ❕ - in General Assistance

…may be of some help.

Or, when you have made 30 posts on here (without any ‘link request’ posts), send me a PM and I’ll send you the link…

📍 300+ available Original Trilogy Preservations - some from a long time ago . . . . 📍 👍
 

JadedSkywalker said:

oojason said:

JadedSkywalker said:

George wasn’t going to make sequels he was going to make Star Wars underworld and that never got made.

Disney’s priority was to make a commercial for a theme park. And to sell toys. Other ancillary merchandise. Storytelling was never as important as corporate planning was. They have shareholder calls and meetings, corporate boards and governance. Quarterly quotas.

Yeah, for me his ideas for Underworld sure seem a lot more intriguing than what we’ve learnt of his Sequel Trilogy outlines. 👍

A pity we never got to see that - especially given the writing talents assorted for the series (though some aspects of it have been rejigged for stories in other SW series since?).
 

Some of his sequel ideas have also been repurposed. If Mando and Gorgo holds to be true they will be facing warlords running the remnants of the Empire. And Dave Filoni is using George’s ideas in Darth Maul Shadow lord with Darth Talon.

Wasn’t Luke as a colonel Kurtz like character allegedly in George’s treatment. That sort of ended up in the Last Jedi if not in the way George would have handled it. The astral projection/ Luke is a legend stuff. and not a straightforward redemption arc. That does not sound like George at all. I also don’t picture Lucas making the prequel Jedi failures and Luke’s meta narrative. Chuck the lightsaber it’s time for the Jedi to end. Burn the tree with the Jedi texts, oh that is right Rey stole them.

I do like the idea that the force is bigger than the light side and the dark side and its vanity that the force dies if the jedi religion dies. The balance being bigger than the jedi and Sith conflict is interesting and then its abandoned.

I gave the DOTF script another read through last night (I’d forgotten how enjoyable and engaging it was) - and there is certainly that aspect of the Force being addressed throughout the script (especially with Rey; and meshing / riffing with themes on Luke and Vader in ROTJ).

For me, the finale was quite intriguing on the subject (and also breaking that problematic and bizarre Jedi dogma introduced and portrayed in the PT - as well as tackling the somewhat traditional circular nature of the Light & Dark overall)…

Obi-Wan: Your true self is free of suffering. Free of pain.
Yoda: Taught us much, you have.
Rey: I’ve taught you?
Yoda: Mmm. Succeeded where we have failed. Narrow was our point of view.
Luke: You chose to embrace the Dark Side and the Light. To find balance within.
Yoda: Co-exist, they must, as such feelings do in all of us.

and later - upon Rey’s return…

Leia: But there’s a calm I’ve never felt. Balance.
 

Rey actually learning from the mistakes of the past to actually move forward with a new Jedi Order (as of the DOTF) would’ve been something of interest to see in any later / post-ST era on-screen appearances… evolving both the story and lore onwards.

I’ll be giving the animated fan comic film another whirl tonight. 👍
 

And then another read-through of George’s belated ~2012 Sequel Trilogy outlines.
 

JadedSkywalker said:

oojason said:

JadedSkywalker said:

George wasn’t going to make sequels he was going to make Star Wars underworld and that never got made.

Disney’s priority was to make a commercial for a theme park. And to sell toys. Other ancillary merchandise. Storytelling was never as important as corporate planning was. They have shareholder calls and meetings, corporate boards and governance. Quarterly quotas.

Yeah, for me his ideas for Underworld sure seem a lot more intriguing than what we’ve learnt of his Sequel Trilogy outlines. 👍

A pity we never got to see that - especially given the writing talents assorted for the series (though some aspects of it have been rejigged for stories in other SW series since?).
 

Some of his sequel ideas have also been repurposed. If Mando and Gorgo holds to be true they will be facing warlords running the remnants of the Empire. And Dave Filoni is using George’s ideas in Darth Maul Shadow lord with Darth Talon.

Wasn’t Luke as a colonel Kurtz like character allegedly in George’s treatment. That sort of ended up in the Last Jedi if not in the way George would have handled it. The astral projection/ Luke is a legend stuff. and not a straightforward redemption arc. That does not sound like George at all. I also don’t picture Lucas making the prequel Jedi failures and Luke’s meta narrative. Chuck the lightsaber it’s time for the Jedi to end. Burn the tree with the Jedi texts, oh that is right Rey stole them.

I do like the idea that the force is bigger than the light side and the dark side and its vanity that the force dies if the jedi religion dies. The balance being bigger than the jedi and Sith conflict is interesting and then its abandoned.

Yeah, that aspect being ignored in TROS was really disappointing. Was it included in Colin Trevorrow’s original Duel of the Fates script? It’d certainly be interesting to see if it was.

I love those fan creations based on DOTF - Andrew Winegarner’s fan-made DOTF comic adaptation, Joe Kenobi’s full movie (motion comic), the ToyBox Special Edition, and dewvre’s 9-epsiode podcast read-through… I’ll have to revisit them for that.

A fan-made comic book adaptation of Trevorrow & Connolly’s Ep IX: ‘Duel of the Fates’ - with links for all 4 of the above projects.
 

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

With this rumored restored Original Trilogy coming for the 50th anniversary it makes me think:
What would Disney/Lucasfilm do for the PT when the next significant anniversary comes along?
Since there’s no real restoration work that would need to be done (at least for AOTC and ROTS) perhaps in the next couple of years there will be even greater advancements in upscaling tech that would allow for an upscaled PT release? And I’m talking about upscaling that actually adds detail that wasn’t there before (for example: Starlight by Topaz). Obviously it would be great to have all the deleted scenes at the same resolution too…

For me, they could do a Special Edition of the PT - it certainly could do with it given some of the sloppy, poorly executed, or simply bad looking CGI that somehow passed QC at the time - let alone how dated many CGI-affected shots look now. Or if not doing a ‘straight-CGI-only fix’… get in touch Hal9000 for some improvements on the story-front and tightening up the editing for many of the scenes. 😉

Even the 35mm scans for the PT don’t look too bad at all - until we reach many of the CGI shots. A pity, really. Though at least we have a vast array of PT Fan Edits as options for the many that prefer and want them - and you guys working on deleted scene shots, too (as well as your own intriguing Edit ideas). 👍
 

JadedSkywalker said:

George wasn’t going to make sequels he was going to make Star Wars underworld and that never got made.

Disney’s priority was to make a commercial for a theme park. And to sell toys. Other ancillary merchandise. Storytelling was never as important as corporate planning was. They have shareholder calls and meetings, corporate boards and governance. Quarterly quotas.

Yeah, for me his ideas for Underworld sure seem a lot more intriguing than what we’ve learnt of his Sequel Trilogy outlines. 👍

A pity we never got to see that - especially given the writing talents assorted for the series (though some aspects of it have been rejigged for stories in other SW series since?).

Edit: thought I’d replied to this - obviously not.

Dagenspear said:

It’s so hilarious to me to see some people here so overly touchy about Lucas that they’re getting annoyed at outline ideas that I think do pitch distinct enough ideas comparably to Disney’s ST. It’s like a grasping of defenses for Disney’s lack of creativity to me.

From a bad-faith PT/GL fan seemingly on here to bait members and their views… that doesn’t mean much. That’s how many of your posts come across on here - I hope to be proven wrong on that; I suppose we’ll see… in the usual threads that PT/GL zealots usually post in.

Meanwhile, like others here, I’ll just be ignoring your posts and those of other PT/GL zealots… often talking at - yet not actually engaging with members here, or looking to learn differing POVs. Posting with a close mind on here, ignoring points made in posts, jumping in on others’ conversations in an insincere manner, then switching to another attempt at a ‘gotcha’… it is like a bad TFn circle-jerk; trolling, baiting, and posting in bad faith…

Life is just too short for all that.
 

Supergirl | Official Teaser Trailer : www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqdAEdkHrwo

 
'Look out. #Supergirl lands in theaters June 26.

“Supergirl,” DC Studios’ newest feature film to hit the big screen, will be in theaters worldwide this summer from Warner Bros. Pictures, starring Milly Alcock in the dual role of Supergirl/Kara Zor-El. Craig Gillespie directs the film from a screenplay by Ana Nogueira.

When an unexpected and ruthless adversary strikes too close to home, Kara Zor-El, aka Supergirl, reluctantly joins forces with an unlikely companion on an epic, interstellar journey of vengeance and justice.

Alcock stars alongside Matthias Schoenaerts, Eve Ridley, David Krumholtz, Emily Beecham, and Jason Momoa.

DC Studios heads Peter Safran and James Gunn are producing the film, which is based on characters from DC, Supergirl based on characters created by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster. The film is executive produced by Nigel Gostelow, Chantal Nong Vo and Lars P. Winther. Behind the camera, Gillespie is joined by director of photography Rob Hardy, production designer Neil Lamont, editor Tatiana S. Riegel, costume designer Anna B. Sheppard, Visual Effects Supervisor Geoffrey Baumann, and composer Ramin Djawadi.’
 

www.imdb.com/title/tt8814476

SUPERGIRL Trailer Breakdown - Lobo News and DC Easter Eggs You Missed - insightful 18 minute video from ScreenCrush.
 

Some upcoming TV series and films coming in December 2025 and in 2026…

 
20 Upcoming TV Series You Can’t Miss This December! - 12 minute video from MovieWorld.

Top TV Shows Premiering in December 2025 | Rotten Tomatoes TV - a 16 minute video.

Coming In 2026 | HBO Max - 2 minute trailer.

What’s Coming in Early 2026 | Shrinking, Monarch, Hijack & More | Apple TV - 40 second trailer.

TV Shows That Will Blow You Away In 2026 - 12 minute video from Looper.

Most Anticipated Movies & TV Shows Of 2026 - 12 minute video from ScreenRant.

The best upcoming TV shows of 2025 / 2026 - 25 minute video from TrailerFeed
 

New Movie Trailers for 2026 - 45 minute video from KinoCheck.

Top 20 Most Anticipated Movies of 2026 - 20 minute video from WatchMojo.

20 Upcoming Must-Watch Horror Movies Set To Release in 2026 - Explored - 35 minute video from Marvelous Videos.

The Best Upcoming Thriller and Horror Movies in 2026 - 55 minute video from KinoCheck.

The Best Upcoming Science Fiction Movies in 2026 - 48 minute video from KinoCheck.

The Best Upcoming Action Movies in 2026 - 46 minute video from KinoCheck.

Top 50 Upcoming Historical TV Shows of 2026/2027 - 35 minute video from History Spark.
 

A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms | Official Final Trailer : www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItUCKJQLTU

The blurb: ‘A journey far from the throne. #AKnightOfTheSevenKingdoms, a new #GOT series from George R.R. Martin, premieres January 18, only on HBO Max.’
 

www.imdb.com/title/tt27497448 - ‘A century before GOT, Ser Duncan the Tall, and his squire, Egg, wandered through Westeros while the Targaryen dynasty ruled the Iron Throne, and dragons were still remembered. Great destinies and enemies await the incomparable friends.’
 

Mocata said:

Some new games!*

https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-fate-of-the-old-republic-trailer

https://www.starwars.com/games-apps/star-wars-galactic-racer

*what’s old is new again

Dammit - I thought we were getting a new and updated one of these for a moment there…

 
Fate Of The Republic looks promising - and good to see Casey Hudson at the helm of it. I just hope we see a release within 2/3 years.