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I got all 11 Star Wars movie novels for Christmas. Do the Prequel and Original Trilogy novelisations have additional content in them that the movies do not have?

jpb19 said:

I got all 11 Star Wars movie novels for Christmas in Kindle format. Do the prequel and original trilogy novels have additional content in them that the movies do not have?

Did they come in a box set or collection, or were they individual books?

As Hal, Jaded and Dreams said, ROTS is a must read. Very well written and really fleshes out the film. I say as someone who considers ROTS to be the worst Star Wars film of all, but is also probably the best novelization.

There is a good article here on the 1976 Star Wars novelization:

Luke’s feelings for Leia definitely are not that of a brother and sister (Splinter of the Mind’s Eye also hits this home), and I always laugh whenever I read George’s description of the Force in the Star Wars novel:

Kenobi: “Let us say simply that the force is something a Jedi must deal with. While it has never been properly explained, scientists have theorized it is an energy field generated by living things. Early man suspected its existence, yet remained in ignorance of its potential for millennia”.

ESB has some additional training with Luke & Yoda. It is interesting, but does lack some of Kersh’s improv and magic from the actual film.

ROTJ has some good insight from Han on what is was like being frozen in carbonite, and the gratitude he has from being rescued. Jabba and his closeness with the women in his captive is explained further.

Including this interesting passage from Luke and Obi-Wan:

Luke sensed the underlying meaning in Kenobi’s statement, he heard the words as a command. He shook his head back at the vision. “I can’t kill my own father.”

“You should not think of that machine as your father.” It was the teacher speaking again. “When I saw what has become of him, I tried to dissuade him, to draw him back from the dark side. We fought … your father fell into a molten pit. When your father clawed his way out of that fiery pool, the change had been burned into him forever–he was Darth Vader., without a trace of Anakin Skywalker. Irredeemably dark. Scarred. Kept alive only by machinery and his own black will …”

We also have a little more on Mon Mothma, and her history and actions when the Republic fell.

To me, Vader also tries to get to Luke to join him and overthrow the Emperor, but mainly to justify his own actions, to somehow justify his own poor choices. The denial that he himself is at fault for his own situation, the lie he tells himself that his decisions were for everyone’s benefit. Only fully acknowledging and accepting how wrong he was, along with repenting for his crimes, at the end.

TPM has more content on young Anakin which does help his character, and I think Maul has some additional writing from him too. Yet he is still more interesting in that “Fear” TPM trailer than he was in the actual film.

AOTC has more on Padme and Shmi, and I found it was a better read than the film was. Not a high bar, I know.

I haven’t read the ST novels yet. One day maybe. It’ll take some persuading to read TROS!

The Random YouTube, Vimeo etc. video finds thread for Beyond the OT

Mr Sunday Movies’ “Caravan Of Garbage”: The Prequel Trilogy


Star Wars: The Phantom Menace - Caravan Of Garbage - 36 minute video


Star Wars: Attack Of The Clones - Caravan Of Garbage - 42 minute video


Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith - Caravan Of Garbage - 45 minute video

The Random YouTube, Vimeo etc. video finds thread for Beyond the OT

Plinkett/RedLetterMedia’s Reviews: The Prequel Trilogy


Mr. Plinkett’s The Phantom Menace review - a 7 video playlist


Mr. Plinkett’s Attack of the Clones Review

3 parts: & &


Mr. Plinkett’s Revenge of the Sith Review - 102 minute video

The Random YouTube, Vimeo etc. video finds thread for Beyond the OT

Wisecrack’s “What Went Wrong?”: The Prequel Trilogy


The Phantom Menace – What Went Wrong? - a 14 minute video


Attack of the Clones - What Went Wrong? - an 18 minute video


The Tragedy of Episode 3 - a 20 minute video

The Random YouTube, Vimeo etc. video finds thread for Beyond the OT

ScreenRant’s ‘Pitch Meetings’: The Prequel Trilogy


Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Pitch Meeting - a 6 minute video


Star Wars: Episode II - Attack Of The Clones Pitch Meeting - a 7 minute video


Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith Pitch Meeting - a 6 minute video

The Random YouTube, Vimeo etc. video finds thread for Beyond the OT

Honest Trailers: The Prequel Trilogy


Honest Trailers - Phantom Menace - 2 minute video


Honest Trailers - Attack of the Clones - 5 minute video


Honest Trailers - Revenge of the Sith - 6 minute video

The Random YouTube, Vimeo etc. video finds thread for Beyond the OT

How It Should Have Ended: The Prequel Trilogy


How The Phantom Menace Should Have Ended - a 3 minute video at the How It Should Have Ended YouTube channel


How Attack Of The Clones Should Have Ended - a 5 minute video at the How It Should Have Ended YouTube channel


How Revenge Of The Sith Should Have Ended - a 5 minute video at the How It Should Have Ended YouTube channel

A topic that might upset the entire forum; (I'm sorry)

Kellythatsit said:


That is an accurate and concise account of how I remember that era of the “Fan Wars”, and so well articulated too.

Like many others I was banned from TFN back then, and like many others I too joined other Rebel sites like Outer Rim Sieges, MF, and also this forum for a brief time. The fandom really took a knock from that split, even some other TFN moderators from the different sections were booted out in that purge of fans. And make no mistake, it was a purge of anyone who wanted to simply talk about unaltered OT cuts, or was in any way critical or questioning of the SE, the PT, or George rewriting history at the time of the Prequels finishing.

Don’t listen to some idiot YouTube channel like Nerdonymous, who has openly demonstrated a heavy dislike and range of issues with the unaltered theatrical cuts of the OT and anyone who wants to see them again, or other agenda/hate-for-clicks to tell how you their bullshit version of history. Read it for yourselves here. And on any of the other surviving fan sites from that time.

Even a quick read through this below on some of that history, and also through the remnants of TFN threads from the time (the few that haven’t had posts removed, been heavily edited, or even disappeared), and you’ll soon see the picture of what Kellythatsit described so well in her post above:

An Index & Help Thread for _Original Trilogy Discussion_…


Other websites / communities supposed issues with the OT•com - or the OT / unaltered OT…

How do others see the originaltrilogy•com community? (2012 thread)

A reminder that websites such as TFn and the official Star Wars forums etc were once places where site staff or moderators would threaten members with bans for simply discussing the unaltered theatrical cuts of the Original Trilogy - let alone highlighting some of Lucas’ / Lucasfilm’s disingenuous claims and conflicting statements, the re-writing of Star Wars history in official sources, constructive criticism of the Prequel Trilogy, or talking about the PT seemingly contradicting what was previously established in the OT, and so on…

Also, a number of preservationists, fan editors, and people making other fan-made projects (such as documentaries) over the years here on the OriginalTrilogy•com have received death threats, threats in general, and ‘threats to life’ - unless they ceased work on, or distribution of, their freely-available projects. These threats were made from other Star Wars fans / zealots who see such projects on here from this community… as somehow insulting or derogatory to George Lucas, the wider Star Wars fandom, or to their own beliefs.

Beliefs such as preservations of the unaltered theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy should no longer exist or be seen, or that fan edits desecrate George’s ‘vision’(s). Or fans seemingly deeply offended - even triggered to anger and threats - by cited articles, projects, and documentaries from fans here chronicling a more complete and accurate history of Star Wars… than that of the re-written, somewhat selective, and retconned version of history often found in official or licensed content and sources from Lucas / Lucasfilm.

OriginalTrilogy•com is a site to openly talk about the revered original cuts of the 3 iconic Star Wars films and its full, factual history.

We hope you enjoy your time on here - as thousands of others already have, currently do, and will - in the future to come. 👍 = TFN? (2006 thread)

When was the turning point for TF.NET? (2009 thread)

Understanding the saga - A perspective from T.F.N (2006 thread)

Sick of Star Wars Prequel bashing… (2014 thread: TFn)

TheForce.Net? Anything Wrong? (2006 thread)

Moving in from the Basher’s Sanctuary (2006 thread; re TFn - the censoring, suppression, and then purge of OOT fans from JCF)

^ “OT•com people are crazy”, “you guys are ungrateful”, “you guys are getting what you deserve”, “most people like the SE anyway”

Who’s worse, TFN or the official site, (2008 thread)

The new look official Star Wars site is up (2007 thread) survey (2007 thread)

**** the official site (2008 thread) closes its forums (2011 thread) 2011 purge (2011 thread) Archive? (2012 thread)

Shut Down 2011 continues : Star Wars Galaxies (2011 thread)

Official Star Wars Facebook Page (2011 thread)

Hello I’m new and have a question (2007 thread; official Star Wars forums)

Has anyone noticed… (2004 thread; SW boards vs MF•com)

MagnoliaFan on (2005 thread)

Magnoliafag and Dickter (2005 thread: MF•com) is so loved… (2004 thread: MF•com)

Fan Edits getting “trolled” by new kids on the block (2015 thread; MSW)

MF’s Report into MSW’s apparent actions (2015 thread; MSW & MF•com) - A new forum for a new era . . . (2016 thread)

The mirror universe (2017 thread: PrequelTrilogy•com)

…and WE get the bad rap!!! (2011 thread; a different face of fandom - YouTube…)

What happened to Supershadow? (2005 thread)

Hilarious fan-site, but could it be a fake? (I’m guessing you know which one already…) (2010 thread: Supershadow)

666-The (2009 thread: TheGunganCouncil)

Worst of Wookiepedia (2009 thread)

Dealing with People Selling Fan Projects (2017 thread)

I’ll never understand the attitude of people who oppose the release of the unaltered Original Trilogy (2020 thread)

The 'Naysayer Guide’ by people who DON’T want an unaltered theatrical release of the Original Trilogy… (2021 thread)

Why are people like this? (2023 thread; re some fans who do not want / believe the unaltered theatrical cuts can be restored)

Quit Whining (2006 thread; just one example of people joining up on here to vent their issues & frustrations with us…)

A topic that might upset the entire forum; (I’m sorry) (2022; a 180° retcon of history; via agenda-led youtube views taken as fact!)

How to Watch Star Wars, Part Two: The Special Editions Are the Movies, Get Over It (2023; narrow-minded bad faith argument)

And then re-read Kellythatsit’s beautiful and succinct post again.

<strong>Dawn of the Jedi</strong> (live action film by James Mangold) - a general discussion thread

One of the 3 new Star Wars movies announced at Celebration 2023 is a theatrical film by James Mangold.

The film will be set at the dawn of the Jedi, telling the tale of the “first Jedi to wield the Force.”

Of his film, Mangold said he “thought about a biblical epic, like a Ten Commandments and the dawning of the Force. Where did the Force come from? When did we discover it? When did we know how to use it? And a story just started developing.”

According to Mangold, it will be set 25,000 years prior to the original Star Wars.

^ from a short exclusive interview he did with ScreenRant

I love Mangold’s work. Just as a directer alone his films such as Logan, Copland, 3:10 to Yuma, Girl Interrupted, and Walk the Line, are all memorable and enjoyable films to me. So I hope his Star Wars film will also follow suit.

Maybe we’ll see some nods and references from The Dawn Of The Jedi story from the comic series? I hope this film does use the ‘Dawn of the Jedi’ title, though at this point I am just hoping it actually gets made!

Star Tours

Star Tours Sets Course for New Adventures in 2024 + 90 second video trailer

“In 2024, we’re going to add more stories and characters to Star Tours at three of our destinations around the world – Disneyland park in California, Disney’s Hollywood Studios in Florida, and Disneyland Paris in France. Since it debuted at Disneyland in 1987 as the first Star Wars attraction in a Disney park, Star Tours has traveled to new places as this galaxy of stories expanded. We’re looking forward to continuing that tradition next year with all new adventures … but I can’t reveal just where we’re going yet – or those we may meet along the way – because … well … some surprises are best experienced as part of the upcoming Star Wars content also announced this weekend. Here’s hoping C-3PO’s piloting skills have improved!”

From the trailer it looks like The Mandalorian and other Disney+ era Star Wars series may be added to the Star Tours rides?

<strong>The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *

A third and final season???!!!

The Bad Batch panel was for me the best panel shown at this Celebration. Engaging panelists, both the actors and creators, talking about their and each others’ work openly, with emotion and love.

For anyone who missed it, it can be be viewed here at the official Star Wars YouTube, at 64 minutes into the video:


jedi_bendu said:

Anchorhead said:

jedi_bendu said:

I have to take a bit of issue with this wording. Animation always seems to get looked down upon as an “inferior” medium, and although it’s totally fair for someone to prefer one over the other, neither animation or live action have any bearing on the quality of a story. They’re simply the vessel that brings that story to the audience.

I have to take a bit of issue with your statement as I’ve compared this to live action a few times. Feel free to point out where I’ve said animation is inferior. To be clear, and I believe I’ve stated this before, I originally became interested in this series because of the animation. For Christ’s sake, I’m watching and enjoying a series that exists in the Prequel world.

You don’t have to be on here for very long to know I’m not familiar with the prequels and don’t know who most of these characters are or what the story is. I just know the Bad Batch characters and I’m enjoying this show. When I say this feels like live action, I mean the depth of characters and the quality writing.

Before you go off half-cocked on that being an animation slight, it’s fair to point out that there is no shortage of animation that’s light on depth. The same can be said of some live action entries; Book Of Boba Fett and The Mandalorian season three being a couple of examples.

I could make this same post on the Visions discussion because it applies there as well. I had little interest in it as advertised (wasn’t an Anime fan) and it ended up being the animation that drew me in and depth of characters that kept me involved.

I apologise to both you and Juno Eclipse if I came across as condescending, I definitely felt the phrase “live action standard” implied the best that animation can do is be on par with live action content which didn’t sit right with me, but it’s true animation has built up a bit of a reputation for lighthearted stories. I can see where you’re coming from.

No apology is needed, jedi_bendu. We’re all fans of the series in here. And much of Star Wars animation too. It is your posts in the Rebels thread that has persuaded me to give it another chance all these years later.

And I hope that third and final season of Bad Batch is up there on a par with what we’ve seen in season 2! 😃

'Rey Skywalker' (Upcoming live action motion picture) - general discussion thread

WitchDR said:

Mocata said:

If it really happens that’d be one thing, but if it’s a success that’s something else. Adding more layers to
‘somehow Palpatine returned’ is the whole end game of the current TV glut after all. People should be annoyed but Daisy walked out on stage and everyone clapped like a bunch of seals so…

It baffles me honestly. I have to imagine most of those people aren’t EU fans whatsoever. Since just the idea of them robbing Luke of everything he worked for just to hand it to their boring as a blank of wood character known as Rey, is such a disgrace to everything the OT built and the EU expanded on.

Sadly, I think you are right. Many wouldn’t even know about, or bother with the EU. Or even know much of the Sequel era outlines and ideas has actually been lifted from the EU.

<strong>Tales of the Jedi</strong> (animated series) - General Discussion Thread * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *

SWCE 2023: Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi Season 2 Announced - at the official Star Wars website

'Dave Filoni announced today at Star Wars Celebration Europe 2023 that Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi will return for a second season on Disney+. The news came as a surprise, but a welcome one, at the end of a panel celebrating the 15th anniversary of Star Wars: The Clone Wars.

“Tales of the Jedi was so fun the first time, I decided to do some more,” he said.

The first season of Tales of the Jedi featured six episodes, with a split focus on Ahsoka Tano and Count Dooku. For more on Season 1, check out’s list of 15 highlights, and stay tuned to for all things Tales of the Jedi.’


I enjoyed the first season with the Dooku episodes, but the Ahsoka episodes didn’t really do much for me. I do hope they open this season up to events outside the Prequel era and Prequel characters.

YouTube/Vimeo/etc... Star Wars video finds

This is mainly about the Original Trilogy, but does also feature ships from the Prequels, so I’ll post it here.

Secrets of Star Wars Design - a 10 minute video at the EC Henry YouTube channel.

Star Wars has a very unique visual brand, yet still manages to encompass a wide variety of styles. How is that possible? I think I’ve unlocked the secrets of good Star Wars design.


EC Henry’s YouTube channel is a joy for fans of the Original Trilogy, and also for Trek. I forgot about his channel for years, but glad I have found it and also remembered it again!

'Return of the Jedi' Tennis Shoe Easter Egg

Both those videos were a fun watch.

It makes sense there could be two tennis shoes in ROTJ. Ken Ralston’s quote from the 2003 Star Wars Insider interview:

“I was always trying to stick stuff into shots,” Ralston laughs. “JEDI has my tennis shoes and also a yogurt container as part of the ships in the background! Who would know? It’s like there’s all this stuff going on – and I thought, ‘Hey, it’d be fun.’ It was my way of just saying, ‘See what you can get away with?’ Some people noodle this stuff so much, fretting about it, but it’s like, you know, you can’t tell what this stuff is – just stick it out there!”

Charlie Brown in 4K

ConstipatedSpidey said:

Juno Eclipse said:

This is disappointing. I thought this was going to be a “Charlie Brown in 4K” project, but you are just asking if some of the Charlie Browns are in 4K anywhere other than Apple TV?


Then why?

oojason said:

An Index Of Projects & Help Thread for Preservation of Other Properties…

If creating a new thread that is NOT a fan project… please give fellow members a clear idea of what the thread is about. For example, add ‘Query’, or ‘Info’, ‘Discussion’, ‘Help: looking for…’, ‘Help Wanted’, ‘Info Wanted’, ‘Has anyone done a project on X?’, or ‘Idea: for Project X’ etc to the thread title. It annoys members to see lazily titled threads that appear to be projects on here - to open them - and only to find it is some lazy git just looking for a project, or wanting a link, or more info, or wanting someone else to make a project for them etc. Please do not make new threads for which there are project threads already in existence.

If the site moderators ask us not to do just this, then why do it?

<strong>The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *

Omni said:

Juno Eclipse said:

jedi_bendu said:

Juno Eclipse said:

The quality has been more of a live-action standard

I have to take a bit of issue with this wording. Animation always seems to get looked down upon as an “inferior” medium, and although it’s totally fair for someone to prefer one over the other, neither animation or live action have any bearing on the quality of a story. They’re simply the vessel that brings that story to the audience.

A great example is how The Bad Batch, has been blowing The Mandalorian - a live action show - out of the water every week it’s been airing. Maybe The Mandalorian should start aspiring to be animation standard…

(I’m aware this is a very pedantic thing to point out but as a massive fan of animation I see this kind of treatment of it a lot)

It is simply praise for the show, in giving credit what Matt Michnovetz (writer & producer), Jennifer Corbett (lead writer) and Brad Rau (series director) and the whole team, for what have accomplished with the Bad Batch. I see a many comments on how much fans have enjoyed this show despite not being into animation series previously.

I think it’s poor praise, and prejudiced against animation as a medium, which sucks, as SW has had many high points in animation, like Bad Batch.

I know. It is why I think the Bad Batch will overtake The Mandalorian in my personal rankings soon enough (as well as Mandalorian not holding my interest and generally having a disappointing season so far).

It is also why Clone Wars (2003) and Visions place in the top 3 of all time small screen rankings for me, with the Bad Batch and Tales Of The Jedi making the Top 6, ahead of Kenobi and BOBF.

Though Resistance does rank bottom, a good and much needed concept that failed in the execution, fitting in with events between TLJ and TROS and explaining the layout of the galaxy, and how the FO came to power so quickly, and so on. Instead, it wandered off with meaningless filler stories, introduced needless disposable characters, and some cheap looking animation.

It reminded me of cheap animation for kids that was prevalent through the 1980’s and early 90s TV. Cheap, lazy and uninspiring, toy adverts with flat stories there only to keep kids glued to the TV sets for 20 minutes. Like Ewoks, and the slightly better Droids, that did a funky theme and some good episodes dotted in amongst it. I am of that era, and grew out of animation shortly after that time because good live-action TV offered so much more; weight, tension, cinematography, story and character arcs, and good quality engaging books offered even more than that.

I had no idea in praising the writers, director and producer of Bad Batch, in comparing them to what is being achieved in quality live action series, that I was “prejudiced against animation as a medium”. Thank you for that. It made me smile and laugh, quite a bit.

The Beyond the OT Trailers/Promos Thread (YouTube/Vimeo, etc. finds)

Star Wars: Resistance


Star Wars Resistance Season 2 - Trailer (Official) - a 3 minute video at the Star Wars YouTube channel

The Emmy Award-nominated series Star Wars Resistance returns for its second and final season beginning Sunday, October 6 at 10:00 p.m. EDT/PDT on Disney Channel and in DisneyNOW, with subsequent airings on Disney XD. The concluding season takes place during the events of “The Last Jedi” leading up to “The Rise of Skywalker,” as Kaz and the team continue to fight against the threat of the First Order, culminating in an epic series finale.


Star Wars YouTube channel’s playlist for Resistance: