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A topic that might upset the entire forum; (I'm sorry)

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“Nobody hated the Prequels, until the internet told them too.”

Recently, I’ve have seen a bunch of videos that debunked why the overall feel of the Star Wars Prequels was so bad to begin with when they first came out. And not only that, on how George Lucas was being heavily discredited by the internet trying to prove he didn’t do anything in making the original Star Wars film when it was in production. Keep in mind, this atmosphere was at the time before the Disney acquisition.

Some said that the Prequels divided the entire Star Wars Community, when there’s evidence where it is most likely that wasn’t the case.

Ever since the release of The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker, the fans have started to come around and started showing the prequels the appreciation that I believe they should have gotten in the first place, in which they did, at-least until the internet influenced by the wrong type of Star Wars fans, disagreed with them.

Also, there is a mountain of evidence that proves that George Lucas was heavily involved in the creation of the original Star Wars, and all the production staff that worked alongside him to turn his vision into a reality, shows that he didn’t screw over Star Wars, the company that bought LucasFilm and the franchise did, Disney.

Considering the situation, I began wondering about one question that has plagued me for months.
Should George Lucas somehow fight to bring LucasFilm back under his control, even though the environment around the films, the fans wasn’t friendly at the time?

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EvantheKidDS said:
George Lucas was being heavily discredited by the internet trying to prove he didn’t do anything in making the original Star Wars film when it was in production.
Also, there is a mountain of evidence that proves that George Lucas was heavily involved in the creation of the original Star Wars

Exhibit A

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Bobson Dugnutt said:

EvantheKidDS said:
George Lucas was being heavily discredited by the internet trying to prove he didn’t do anything in making the original Star Wars film when it was in production.
Also, there is a mountain of evidence that proves that George Lucas was heavily involved in the creation of the original Star Wars

Exhibit A

fuck

I think I should be more clear, like I’ve seen debunking videos from Nerdonymous and Anomaly Inc respectively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olqVGz6mOVE
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2AmolUSZi8XikNWZBsc_So0AWIubJf86

What I’m getting at is that, I think that George was trashed by the Star Wars Fanbase which in effect most-likely lead to the Disney Acquisition. Even though the evidence in Anomaly Inc’s series is a bit vague, there is a small-yet-reasonable amount of people that enjoyed the prequels until the rest of the fans “silenced them.”

And other pieces of information in “Revenge of the Prequels” indicate that the Star Wars Fan Community really split after the Sequel Trilogy came out, not when the Prequels came out. George Lucas had an idea for how it should’ve worked, while the producers of the Sequel Trilogy were making the films on a kind-of whim.

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I don’t see the point of this thread. It paints the community with an incredibly broad brush, as though we all hate George, which we don’t. And it reeks of passive aggressiveness for no good reason, as though you think you’ve “got” us somehow.

I’ve heard all the back and forth arguments over the years about the role George played in the making of the films. And I’ve listened to people’s perspectives on what it was like when the OT and the prequels were coming out. I’ve heard all of this before, and I can safely say that no, the internet didn’t invent the idea that the prequels were bad after the fact.

The prequels, especially the first two, got a very mixed reaction when they first came out. As the novelty of the films wore off, the common sentiment about them shifted more toward the negative by the late 2000s. It was inevitable that the pendulum would shift back towards the positive eventually, especially since we now have the sequels to compare them to.

RedLetterMedia were wrong when they called George Lucas “the second luckiest man in show business.” But people who worship George as this auteur who can do no wrong are equally mistaken. George was the visionary, but the work of those around him to refine that vision and bring it to life shouldn’t be downplayed. As usual, the truth lies in the middle.

There’s nothing concrete to suggest that George chose to sell Lucasfilm because of people hating the prequels. He once made an offhanded comment that he was tired of his work being attacked, but considering his age and his desire to spend time with his family, him selling Lucasfilm was likely inevitable. I know George wanted Disney to use his sequel ideas, but by 2012, there was little to no chance he was going to make the sequels himself. And I hate to disappoint you, but George would never come back to run this franchise, no matter what they offered him. I have no doubt he’s enjoying his retirement with his family.

Also, I know it sounds like you discovered his channel recently, but I don’t recommend bothering with a guy like Anomaly Inc. I’m familiar with him, and he has some serious issues, and just overall isn’t a good person.

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I kinda figured starting this topic was a bad idea. Sorry for what I said.

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EvantheKidDS said:

I kinda figured starting this topic was a bad idea. Sorry for what I said.

It’s alright, don’t worry about it.

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EvantheKidDS said:

Recently, I’ve have seen a bunch of videos

Not a great way to start a post

Some said that the Prequels divided the entire Star Wars Community, when there’s evidence where it is most likely that wasn’t the case.

They didn’t divide it, they were unpopular.

Also, there is a mountain of evidence that proves that George Lucas was heavily involved in the creation of the original Star Wars

Very surprising that the guy who directed 1 and was the executive producer in 2 and 3 was heavily involved

Should George Lucas somehow fight to bring LucasFilm back under his control, even though the environment around the films, the fans wasn’t friendly at the time?

No, he doesn’t want to make more Star Wars

EvantheKidDS said:

I think I should be more clear, like I’ve seen debunking videos from Nerdonymous and Anomaly Inc respectively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olqVGz6mOVE
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2AmolUSZi8XikNWZBsc_So0AWIubJf86

Don’t get your opinions from youtubers

Even though the evidence in Anomaly Inc’s series is a bit vague, there is a small-yet-reasonable amount of people that enjoyed the prequels until the rest of the fans “silenced them.”

Not really. These kinds of descriptions of the fanbase prey on younger fans who weren’t around at the time. People weren’t always as respectful as they should’ve been, but they weren’t persecuted or silenced.

And other pieces of information in “Revenge of the Prequels” indicate that the Star Wars Fan Community really split after the Sequel Trilogy came out, not when the Prequels came out.

This is immediately obvious from having been in the fandom before 2017. You don’t need to watch youtube videos to find this out.

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EvantheKidDS said:

“Nobody hated the Prequels, until the internet told them too.”

Recently, I’ve have seen a bunch of videos that debunked why the overall feel of the Star Wars Prequels was so bad to begin with when they first came out. And not only that, on how George Lucas was being heavily discredited by the internet trying to prove he didn’t do anything in making the original Star Wars film when it was in production. Keep in mind, this atmosphere was at the time before the Disney acquisition.

No, not really. Most of the YouTube videos I have seen that purportedly “set the record straight” are little more than revisionist history and completely disingenuous. The creators seem less interested in accurately documenting the Star Wars community during the prequel era than appealing to a specific target market dissatisfied with the current direction of the franchise.

Some said that the Prequels divided the entire Star Wars Community, when there’s evidence where it is most likely that wasn’t the case.

Having lived it, I can entirely confirm this was indeed the case. For the first time ever, websites such as theforce.net had to enforce bans on their forums and began moderating based on response to the films rather than explicit language. Other sites, including this one, were deemed to be havens for those unhappy with the prequels and felt unwelcome (or banned) on TFN and StarWars.com. In fact the terms “basher” and “gusher” were commonly thrown around in 2005, like “reylo” and “tfm” is thrown around today. Make no mistake, the response to the prequels was as divisive to Star Wars fandom as the sequels have been.

Ever since the release of The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker, the fans have started to come around and started showing the prequels the appreciation that I believe they should have gotten in the first place, in which they did, at-least until the internet influenced by the wrong type of Star Wars fans, disagreed with them.

I disagree. I believe the reason for this renaissance of the PT is largely due to the generation of kids who grew up with them now have a voice both online and in the media. Yes, the less than stellar response to the ST has somewhat galvanised this voice, however, I also believe that many fans, like myself, are able to accept the prequels because they now only make up 1/3 of the larger saga rather than half of it.

I also predict that in the next 5-10 years there will be a similar resurgence in ST appreciation as the kids first introduced to Star Wars through Rey and Kylo Ren come of age. It’s like poetry. It rhymes.

Also, there is a mountain of evidence that proves that George Lucas was heavily involved in the creation of the original Star Wars, and all the production staff that worked alongside him to turn his vision into a reality, shows that he didn’t screw over Star Wars, the company that bought LucasFilm and the franchise did, Disney.

Lucas has always been acknowledged as the visionary creator of the original trilogy. Any claim that this was ever in doubt in Star Wars fandom is a fallacy. However, with the poor response to the PT, the question began to be asked about the influence other creators may have had on those first three films. Michael Kaminsky’s “The Secret History of Star Wars” is a good example of this. Until this point, Lucas was largely seen as a film making genius, particularly by the fandom. However, with the advent of the prequels (and to a lesser extent the SEs) that idea began to change and is itself indicative of the disappointment Star Wars fans had with the direction of Star Wars at the time. Contemporary documentaries such as “The People vs George Lucas” demonstrate this sentiment, as do the countless forum posts on this website and many others dating back to the early 2000s.

Considering the situation, I began wondering about one question that has plagued me for months.
Should George Lucas somehow fight to bring LucasFilm back under his control, even though the environment around the films, the fans wasn’t friendly at the time?

In short: No.