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Despite being burned out by Star Wars and generally refusing to "frequent" anything other than the reservation forums, I just couldn't help but pop in here and ask some of the regulars here a simple question:

When the hell did this place suddenly become TF.N?
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I wouldn't say it's became TF.N. That's pretty extreme.
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Not sure what you mean, but TF.N apparently closed down the basher's santuary, and as a result, we've had some people come over from there.
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I really can't say I'm familiar enough with their boards to answer that, Cassidy. But from what all their refugees have been saying, it seems like we're very much different from them. Could you please elaborate?

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I fail to see any similarity between these boards and TF.N's, other than some from here post there and vice versa, which is not surprising seeing as TFN's boards are probably the largest star wars boards on the net.

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I think he was probably referring to all the names from TF.n who left there about a month ago. About once a week I check into their forums just to see how one sided they are, and now they is no one left to defend the OT, I am not talking about the O-OT, I am talking about the OT in general.

Just browsing through the Classic Trilogy forum, it is littered with a majority of topics like:

-Is ANH meh?
-Changes to the 2007 SE
-Hayden replacing Sebastian Shaw
-The O-OT on DVD - which has 99% of the posts of fans who are not buying saying to the O-OT fans, "You are getting what you deserve with non-anamorphic!!!"
-Star Wars of A New Hope?
-ANH very SE ending
-Why doesn't Luke cry in ROTJ?
-Official Thread - Discussions to SE #2

The site now is just a bunch of PT fans who hate ANH, or think it is so slow and should be totally updated. Who all think the saga is about Anakin, and find many parts of the OT boring and not relevant to Vader story now (Luke, Leia, and Han going through the death star in SW, The Death Star attack is too long, Han & Leia going through the asteroid field is boring, The Rescue attempt in ROTJ on Han seems out of place now) These are comments I constantly hear from the TFn faithful, it is almost like they receive their talking points like they work for a political campaign.

Message to all of them: You are watching the OT in the WRONG CONTEXT!!! The reason you don't enjoy the Han, Luke, and Leia parts is because you bought into Lucas' Anakin story of all 6 movies now, and you are missing that the OT was always about the good guys, not Vaders story

That site is totally pathetic and I call them a bunch of : SE lovin, PT lovin, O-OT hatin, SW '77 hatin fringe Star Wars fans. And that guys is who George Lucas caters to now. That is what is so damn frustrating about the O-OT in non-anamorphic, Lucas is catering to a bunch of people that hate the only great SW movie he ever directed. Now that is irony.
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I believe what TheCassidy maybe referring to are the plethora of daily TFN updates when it comes to new topics or "bashers" hijacking existing ones, when nobody cares one way or the other about TFN.

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Originally posted by: CO

-Why doesn't Luke cry in ROTJ?


Because he's a man?







Nah, I kid. He does cry. When Yoda dies. And then when Vader dies. Sure his head hangs down and you can't see his eyes, but by the way he trembles as he hangs his head you know he's crying like a bitch.

And that is why I love him.
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I think what the poster is referring to are increased posts/members of a certain sensibility which is definitely TFN. If you can't tell the difference, I'm not going to explain it to you, but it's not as simple as OT vs. PT I can tell you that. I wouldn't say this place has "become TFN" but it's on the road, no question. Which for me, means a countdown has started.

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hahahaha oh well, i dont really find that OT is like TF.n cause i am usually the only one left to defend the PT here. it seems like OT.com and Tf.n are polar opposites. contrast those topic that were posted by CO and compare them to the onces we have here, people here are jsut as one sided as they seem to be over there, its just they are on the opposite side.
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Here's a look at it from my point of view:

At OT.com, there always seemed to me to be a big difference between the kinds of posts seen in the general SW discussion area and the kinds of posts seen in the actual SW projects area. In fact, for quite a while I didn't even bother to read the general discussion board, mainly due to time restraints and partly because it seemed a little more... juvenile at times (Doubt it? Just look at that locked topic up there entitled "Time To Grow Up" - why was that ever even necessary here?). Not to mention that its broader scope just didn't hit the mark for me most of the time. So my insulated view of OT.com from the preservation board made it seem less like TF.N style discussions and more like professionals discussing their work. And that has mostly been the case over there.

I've started posting more over here now that I have more time to do so, and also because I find it a better than average place on the net to have SW discussions. It still beats TF.N and other popular posting places... perhaps because there is a core group here who seem to have their head on straight and are very professional about everything they do, including casual posting.

Now it seems an influx of new people have come over from TF.N to join us here after their area was shut down. That's good by me, just as long as they respect the atmosphere of the place and keep things professional and polite (even if they didn't have to on TF.N). As long as that's the case, the more the merrier.

We're here because we have a job to do, as the title of the site suggests, and that is to defend, uphold, and preserve the original trilogy - and by the same token, all other related items that are in danger of being lost or forgotten.

(God, I can hear the patriotic music fading in and the flags beginning to wave right now...!)

That will be all. Now get to work, soldiers!

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Felix the Cat 1919-1930 early film shorts preservation [ONGOING]
Lights Out! (lost TV anthology shows) [ONGOING]
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Originally posted by: CO

-Why doesn't Luke cry in ROTJ?


Because he's a man?

Nah, I kid. He does cry. When Yoda dies. And then when Vader dies. Sure his head hangs down and you can't see his eyes, but by the way he trembles as he hangs his head you know he's crying like a bitch.

And that is why I love him.


Sorry to temporarily hijack the thread, but I have one comment about that. I agree, Jenny. But I've also always loved how stoic Luke is at the end when he's watching the fire. As someone who's not afraid to cry, I know that crying is the release, and it make you feel better. In that scene, you can tell how much he has bottled up in him there that he's unable to get out yet. Yeah, it's a good scene.

There is no lingerie in space...

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don't exist... then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks... and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming... Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but last time I checked OT.com didn't have an army of 12-year old moderators editing the word "ass" out of people's posts.
40,000 million notches away
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I guess I need to clarify for myself why I have been bringing up many threads pertaining to the TFn and the diehard PT fans and how it effects us. This is why we are in the position we are in now is because there is a diehard fanbase who loves the SE and Lucas is catering to it.

The majority of SW fans like the PT, and love the OT, and I am one of them. I know there are many vocal fans who love and hate the PT, but I don't buy it, I think that is a product of the internet. Most people I know, who don't post on any SW website, love the OT more than anything in the world, and like the PT, or enjoy the PT with a grain of salt. They will never love it, but it is SW, so it is better than half of the crappola movies out there. I know I start many PT bashing threads, but I can still enjoy the movies, cause I dont' hate them, I just think if Lucas delegated more than they would have been better.

But everything we are doing to get the O-OT in good quality is because Lucas is not catering to us anymore, and he is catering to fans on TFn. When I say the fans at TFn, I don't mean them specifically, but that type of fan who just eats up everything Lucas does, and doesn't mind more changes. We are getting the O-OT in non-anamorphic quality because Lucas doesn't feel it is worthy as the SE, but if no one liked the SE, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on. He is all about $$$, and to him, the SE DVD release was a success, and the PT was a success, no matter what we say.

It scares me over there that they want major changes to Star Wars '77, they want more tieins, and you start to wonder, is Lucas going to go to that level? They all love the Hayden insertion in ROTJ, and that came out of nowhere in Lucas updates in 2004. Where does this stop, if Lucas has a faithful following that eat up anything new he does.

To me it is all about needing fans, and Lucas could give a rats ass about anyone who posts here and wants the O-OT. It isn't about the PT, but it is a symbol of how the new fans think, and to me that correlates to how Lucas thinks. The fact that the O-OT is bonus material, non-anamorphic, sold with the SE, tells me Lucas's mindset now that I couldn't put a handle on why he was doing this a couple of years ago, the TFn fans have opened my eyes to who Lucas is catering to.

I know alot of fans here want to come and not hear the PT crapola that alot of TFN members posted in the bashers sanctuary, and I somewhat agree. But this is all relevant in the fight we have in getting the O-OT in good quality, and thier mindset over there is actually who we are fighting against.

I am going to back off in my PT threads, and take a little break in posting here for a while, cause I do understand fans don't want this to be the bashers sanctuary part 2, and that was never my intention. I think I may have irritated alot of you guys in my harshness about what the TFN mindset is doing to SW fandom overall, and I respect this site too much cause it has always been about the O-OT.

But I will say that the O-OT is under assault over there, and their views reflect the EXACT crap Lucas spews. To me they are the greatest window into Lucas's mind, and right now Lucas is like fans at the TFN, "OK you guys have the O-OT on DVD, now stop bitching and moaning, and move on." That only motivates me more never to stop the fight.

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Actually, I really do hate the PT, and it has nothing to do with the internet.Well, maybe not HATE, but strong dislike.I just think they were sloppily made movies with very little thought about actually tying together the movies they were supposed to be explaining. George had to alter the OT in order for them to fit with the PT, and in that respect, I think the ultimate purpose of the PT has failed.

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I like these forums much more than TFN. The people here (for the most part) are much more friendly, and mature. I also feel that I'm among more like-minded people here (people who generally prefer the OT to the PT, and prefer the OOT to the SE). But even those here who like the PT and the SE, are very polite and respectful.

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Originally posted by: mverta
I think what the poster is referring to are increased posts/members of a certain sensibility which is definitely TFN. If you can't tell the difference, I'm not going to explain it to you, but it's not as simple as OT vs. PT I can tell you that. I wouldn't say this place has "become TFN" but it's on the road, no question. Which for me, means a countdown has started.

_Mike


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What Skot said.
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Originally posted by: Windexed
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but last time I checked OT.com didn't have an army of 12-year old moderators editing the word "ass" out of people's posts.


Nuff said for me........and a problem having new members.....NO way.....Star Wars is not an all inclusive homo-sapiens only club.....it's for everyone...and THAT is what ole George forgot, it's NOT about him.


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I just don't think it's necessary to debate the colour of Luke's underwear here - this is site dedicated to the preservation of the original Star Wars trilogy, and other films. There's plenty of Star Wars fanboy sites on the net.
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
I just don't think it's necessary to debate the colour of Luke's underwear here - this is site dedicated to the preservation of the original Star Wars trilogy, and other films. There's plenty of Star Wars fanboy sites on the net.
You're absolutely right there. We really don't care about the color of Luke's underwear when much more pressing matters demand our attention. Like, are they boxers or briefs?

--SKot

Projects:
Return Of The Ewok and Other Short Films (with OCPmovie) [COMPLETED]
Preserving the…cringe…Star Wars Holiday Special [COMPLETED]
The Star Wars TV Commercials Project [DORMANT]
Felix the Cat 1919-1930 early film shorts preservation [ONGOING]
Lights Out! (lost TV anthology shows) [ONGOING]
Iznogoud (1995 animated series) English audio preservation [ONGOING]

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I've always seen Luke as a boxer-briefs kind of guy. I'm pretty sure Han "goes commando" in Jedi.
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
I just don't think it's necessary to debate the colour of Luke's underwear here - this is site dedicated to the preservation of the original Star Wars trilogy, and other films. There's plenty of Star Wars fanboy sites on the net.


This is the "General Star Wars" forum. So, at the very least, we can discuss the underwear of Dodonna, Veers, Han Solo, and Lando Calrissian*. I think discussion of Luke's underwear is not entirely off-topic, either.

And really, how many conversations can you have about preserving the O-OT?

"I think the O-OT should be preserved."

"Yeah, me too."

* We already know from the end of ESB that Lando raided Han's wardrobe, so I guess they shared underwear, too.
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I'm guessing Madine's is beige.