I haven't spent much time at TFN but I would have to say the moderators are definitely worse at the official site, but the posters are worse at TFN. On official site forum, if you say anything bad about Lucas, basically what will happen is the moderators will put 24/7 surveillance on you and find any opportunity they can to ban you. And it doesn't end there, they'll memorize the way you type so if you make a new account after you're former one is banned (which is called being a sock) the moderators search for similar posting types and will banned you if they suspect you're a sock. Even if you make 2 accounts and you obey their TOS (which is like 20 pages long!) they will still banned you because making more than one account is against their TOS. Even after 1 year, I made a new account and the SW.com mnoderators found me within like ten minuets. They talk dorky using one liners from the movies and act like they own you. The only kind of talk that the moderators like to see at the forum is basically juvenile talk about how great the PT is, how great the changes to the OT are, and how great Lucas is. If you go outside of that range, they want to ban you. They should just call it prequellovers.com. You'd be surprised though how many OT.com type people were there. When new of the GOUT come ouyt. There were people on there discussing how they wanted to send back the '04 disks too. Most of them are probably banned by now though. One time when I flamed Lucas on the SW.com forum the moderator replied: Right, flame the owner of the site, what a bright idea. Like Lucas is going to track down an individual that doesn't like him.

Any actual examples of that happening here, Pollard? it's not even close.

MJPollard said:

 Gee, this sounds familiar, only substitute "are not a fan of the SEs or PT at TFN" with "are a fan of the SEs or PT at OT.com".  Glass houses, fellas.

MJ Pollard, can you name one person who was banned here for expressing his/her opinions?  Just because people argue on this site, or any site, doesn't mean you or I don't have a right to say whatever the heck we want.

The problem with TFN, is they actually would ban people FOR their views!  I got banned there 2 years ago for arguing with the fans that the OOT DVD was utter shit, and everyone kept coming back to me and said, "You are getting what you deserve!"  And in all their posts they were disrespecting the OOT versions, the fans, etc, and when I came back at them along with Zombie, and Harlock we were all banned that day because the argument got heated, yet none of the anti-OOT people were banned!  I was permabanned by Darth Sapient, who now was banned from TFN for stalking women via PM's.  Now thats karma!

Sure people here will get on people who like the PT, SE, and EU stuff, but it is all in fun debate, and the last time I checked nobody was every banned here for taking a point of view.  That is the difference between OT.com & TFN.

I don't know about you guys, but I have yet to see the level of extreme behavior on TF.N that you describe. Hell, other than Go-Mer-Tonic (may he burn in the torturous afterlife cesspool of your choice), I remember not one person coming to GL's defense in zombie's Secret History thread over there. Can you point me to the topics where everyone seemed to be so belligerent? I spend most of my time there on the EU boards, and the discussion there is usual amicable (if a tad nerdy, but that's the pot calling the kettle black).

Johnboy3434 said:

I don't know about you guys, but I have yet to see the level of extreme behavior on TF.N that you describe. Hell, other than Go-Mer-Tonic (may he burn in the torturous afterlife cesspool of your choice), I remember not one person coming to GL's defense in zombie's Secret History thread over there. Can you point me to the topics where everyone seemed to be so belligerent? I spend most of my time there on the EU boards, and the discussion there is usual amicable (if a tad nerdy, but that's the pot calling the kettle black).

 Well I haven't posted since 2006, but you have to go back to the old PT threads, as the usual suspects would come out every time.  People like Shelley would PM me all the time and tell me to leave the site and wondered why I posted there. 

The most ridiculous modding was the Mace vs Sidious thread, as that led to the inception of ORS.com, as about 20 people (gushers/bashers) were all banned because of that thread.

It goes like this:  Before ROTS DVD, mods like RebelScum77 said that Sidious threw the fight against Mace Windu, and would not accept anyone with a dissenting opinion, as they believed that Sidious could not lose to Mace.

So the ROTS DVD comes out in November, and Lucas says that Mace was beating Sidious up to the point where Anakin comes in.  So all the posters who said that BEFORE the DVD were not allowed to argue that point even though Lucas said it!  RebelScum77 started banning people and warning people not to argue that Mace really won, and Sidious still won the fight!  So about 20 guys from TFN like Yoshifett were banned or warned continously by RebelScum77 and started ORS.com and we still chuckle about it today on that site as RebelScum77 STILL won't take any diverging viewpoints in that thread as she threatened to close it after they left.

If you can find Mace vs Sidious thread in the PT forum, it is hilareous how fucking serious these mods got and how they would yield their power over a bunch of people who just wanted to debate the movies. Overall, TFN is just a boring place now as most of the good posters, bashers and gushers, have left or been banned, and now you have just a bunch of teenagers talking about the movies and how ROTS is as great Lawrence of Arabia. (I kid you not, I did read that from a post once!)

I googled ORS.com but couldn't find anything that was about the PT. What is ORS short for? I don't care what Lucas says about the movies, I interpret them my own way. Some of the stuff he has said about the OT in the commentary of the '04 DVDS was ludicrous. Like in the ROTJ commentary, when the Emperor was tempting Luke to strike him down, Lucas said that Darth Vader wanted Luke to kill him and the Emperor wanted Luke to kill Vader. Umm, that doesn't make any sense. The way I always interpreted it was this: The Emperor was tempting Luke because he knew Darth Vader would defend him and he wanted Luke to fight Vader so he would indulge in his dark side.

Wow, I just went to TFN and I don't think I will be going back. First of all, the colors they picked for the forum are so loud and irritating on the eyes.  It's too busy and too many useless posters . I like it here, the colors are soothing on the eyes, you guys are smart, and it's not so busy.

I don't know about TFN these days, but it felt like there were a lot of jagoffs there in 2006 during the dvd mess. "You'll never be satisfied, how dare you criticize this generous gift, you get what you deserve" blah blah.  As the biggest Star Wars site in the world, it really is a shame they took that attitude, it has probably helped make the (apparently smaller) group that cares about the treating the original versions properly very easy to dismiss. 

How are the moderators over on TFN?

Actually, GL did co-write RotJ. ESB was the only SW movie (until the most recent one) he didn't at least help write.

Uh, Lucas wrote the movie. Then, Kasdan did polishes/rewrites later. Lucas is just uncredited. Brackett's draft wasn't used. 

One thing I got a kick out of going to the offical site and TFN forums was this: Anytime you pointed out an issue with the story or an inadequacy in the prequels, the Lucas fans boys would rush in and start giving me a bunch of reasons why these issues or inadequacies are really not inadequcies at all and acutally are absolutely perfect and George Lucas is a god who can do no wrong and the prequels are perfect etc.

For example. Before episode 3 came out, I made a post about episode 2, how I thought the story was really poor especially at the point where Hayden and Padme leave Tatoonie and take C3p0 with them and never consult with the Lars.

They started telling me things like: Oh Anakin was depressed at the time and the Lars were morning his mom's loss so it wasn't necessary to consult with them and Anakin has a little bit of a dark side and that was GL's way of conveying that, he didn't consult with him because of his "dark side". Then they went on about how Anakin's awkwardness was deliberate to show his dark side, oooooooowwwwwww.