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- Random Pictures and Gifs (now with winning!) [NSFW]
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- George Lucas: Star Wars Creator, Unreliable Narrator & Time Travelling Revisionist...
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From doubleofive’s superb Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes thread in the Theatrical Cuts vs. Subsequent Releases section…
Holy crap, I did Greedo Shot First.
https://twitter.com/StarWarsVisComp/status/1168554173136166913
Frame by frame comparisons, GIF’s, the whole nine yards. I conclude that the “new” shot is based on a wide shot of Han shooting Greedo. They took the clarifying shot Lucas claims didn’t exist in the 70’s and changed it so Greedo shoots (at different times with different effects). It’s a fun read, hopefully.
💥 doubleofive knocks it out of the park - yet again! 💥
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- #1295136
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- An exact quote from Lucas on Greedo shooting first.
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1295136/action/topic#1295136
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Apologies for the bump - though in my humble opinion it is very much worth it…
Holy crap, I did Greedo Shot First.
https://twitter.com/StarWarsVisComp/status/1168554173136166913
Frame by frame comparisons, GIF’s, the whole nine yards. I conclude that the “new” shot is based on a wide shot of Han shooting Greedo. They took the clarifying shot Lucas claims didn’t exist in the 70’s and changed it so Greedo shoots (at different times with different effects). It’s a fun read, hopefully.
^ from his superb Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes thread in the Theatrical Cuts vs. Subsequent Releases section.
💥 doubleofive knocks it out of the park - yet again! 💥
The George Lucas: Star Wars Creator, Unreliable Narrator & Time Travelling Revisionist… thread (Category Numbers 30 • ‘Han Shot First…’ and 31 • ‘George Lucas claims in 2012 that Han NEVER Shot First…’) may also be of some interest on the issue too…
as well as this insightful 2012 article, by Emmet Asher-Perrin, at Tor (from before Disney bought Lucasfilm)…
• Lucas Shot First: The Surprisingly Powerful Sense of Betrayal George Lucas Creates
^ an archived backup: https://archive.is/w5g3O
As an aside… George Lucas claiming the 6 Star Wars films “form the biography of Vader”… (aka GL’s oft-claimed post-PT ‘Star Wars has always been the tragedy of Darth Vader’) - but that he wasn’t aware of this “until 1998”…
A screenshot of a 2005 Vanity Fair article (February issue) promoting Revenge Of The Sith:-
and yet…
In 2019 George claimed the reason why he made the Prequel Trilogy films was because the fans didn’t understand in the 10 years after Return Of The Jedi… that the backstory to the Original Trilogy was really “about the tragedy of Darth Vader”… something he himself stated he himself hadn’t realised “until 1998”… after he had already wrote and filmed TPM!
Sure George, sure…
A screenshot of the 2024 George Lucas made Star Wars prequels because fans “didn’t get” story - article at The Digital Bits:-
^ The 2019 SW•com article referenced above: www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-i-the-phantom-menace-oral-history
and more disingenuous comments from George Lucas re the criticism The Phantom Menace faced upon release…
(dubious claims on what he “originally intended” for character ages, fan expectations being too high - not his marketing or promotion, that he couldn’t say these Prequels were for a different audience prior to the film release - young children; ROTS apart, obviously)
A screenshot of a 1999 Empire magazine article, shortly after the criticism began of The Phantom Menace:-
“No-one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans” - I’d say few have divided Star Wars fans more than George Lucas has…
A brief ‘info thread’ covering just a few of George’s gaslighting & divisive comments made to / about fans over the years…
Whether that is the creating and splitting of groups of fans, ie ‘OT theatrical cuts vs Special Editions fans’, ‘OT vs PT’, ‘OT & EU vs PT’, and would have likely set ‘ST vs PT’… if he made his planned Sequel Trilogy with Leia being retconned as ‘The Chosen One’.
Or some of the disingenuous or gaslighting-type comments made about fans and the media in trying to deflect valid and reasoned criticism away from himself. Or defending the latest project that conflicts or contradicts what came before. Or the previous disingenuous statements and distortion / re-writing of history… Or George’s claims being easily debunked by evidence from the time - such as years later George attempting to claim that Greedo always shot first.
George Lucas in a 2012 article on promoting his Red Tails feature film…
www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/george-lucas-star-wars-red-tails-282905
“Why would I make any more, when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?” and “On the Internet, all those same guys that are complaining I made a change are completely changing the movie,” complained Lucas, referring to online video recuts of his films. “I’m saying: ‘Fine. But my movie, with my name on it, that says I did it, needs to be the way I want it.'”
^ George conflating the facts there…
It is not a case of “everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?” - they are simply highlighting some of George’s disingenuous and debunked claims, along with George’s reasoning for suppressing film history, makes little sense.
People are still indeed voicing their concerns that there are yet again more alterations to what was meant to be ‘The Final Cut’, according to George himself, in 1997. Then with yet more alterations in 2004 (for the DVD), yet again with even more alterations in 2011 (for the blu-ray), and finally with more alterations yet again in 2019 (for 4K/UHD).
Yet many are also wondering why George hasn’t addressed numerous other issues in the OT films in the various Special Edition cuts, or even fixed the issues with alterations George has introduced to the SE cuts in since 1997.
If George has a problem in fans re-editing Star Wars films to be a better or more complete Special Edition cuts than he himself has released, despite all the sources and resources available to George, and that fans are making more ‘fixes’ and alterations than George, then maybe it is time for him George to raise his game… and also his quality assurance / quality control?
Just a few examples…
^ 1980 original cut vs 1997 Special Edition; colouring issues.
^ 1993 original cut vs 2004SE; not just the colouring issues but also the loss of image detail in the background.
^ 1993 original cut vs 2004SE; not just the colouring issues but also the loss of detail around the dark colours (notably Vader’s belt).
^ 2006 GOUT DVD (and no… the original cuts did not - and do not - look like that :sigh:)
^ 2011SE blu ray; a fan preservation using 3rd/4th generation theatrical screen print should not be bettering the official release - yet here we are…
^ 2019SE image on the left, 2011SE blu ray image on the right; note the scrubbing away of detail on the left image, with much of the weathering on the droid is lost.
adywan’s Revisited Edition of the Original Trilogy: Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, & Return of the Jedi… looks to remedy those numerous issues and be a more complete Special Edition release, among many other similar projects that can be found in the Star Wars Fan Edits forum.
A couple more examples of George’s divisive and gaslighting comments…
George Lucas in 2006, on the theatrical Original Trilogy films finally being made available on DVD - as ‘bonus discs’ on a repackaged 2004 Special Edition DVD boxset - along with trailers for the “Lego Star Wars” game on the theatrical version discs:-
“It’s just the original versions, as they were. We didn’t do anything to it at all. But we’re not sure how many people want that… Now we’ll find out whether they really wanted the original or whether they wanted the improved versions. It’ll all come out in the end.”
Lucasfilm Vice-President Jim Ward was more forthcoming on the quality of this 2006 unaltered Original Trilogy DVD release:-“It is state of the art, as of 1993, and that’s not as good as state of the art 2006.”
^ re the source for the 2006 unaltered Original Trilogy DVD release originally being used for a 1993 laserdisc release. To say nothing of the DNR and many other quality issues on the 2006 release.
So… the people did indeed speak - and did indeed want “the original” - and still do.
Though both George and Lucasfilm knew that anyway - and are on record as admitting this.
George’s comments above also highlight he didn’t seemingly consider that fans may have actually wanted both versions in the highest quality possible, using the best sources, with the love and respect they deserve.
The OOT has been officially unavailable for almost a decade now - a 2021 thread by Lucas The Barbarian.
^ The thread notes that despite the 2006 GOUT DVDs being originally promoted and sold as a ‘Limited Edition’ release - only being available for a 4-month period from September 12th 2006 to December 31st 2006 - it wasn’t until April 2011 that the 2006 GOUT DVDs actually ceased production, and they were still being sold on store shelves up until September 2011, just before the 2011 SE / Saga blu-rays were released.
^ from How the Grinch Stole Star Wars - an article on the ‘Save Star Wars’ website.
George Lucas: “…What ends up being important in my mind is what the DVD version is going to look like, because that’s what everybody is going to remember. The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movies that anyone will remember will be the DVD [of the Special Edition].”
We find that above statement from George to be very disconcerting - it is, in effect, an effort to wilfully suppress and eradicate landmark film history - as well as inadvertently denigrating audience’s memories and experiences from the unaltered version that existed for some twenty years. To say nothing of these being the original version of the three films upon which the entire Star Wars universe was built on.
And yet, in stark contrast to the above statement from George…
The Film Foundation is a non-profit organization established in 1990 by director Martin Scorcese dedicated to protecting and preserving motion picture history - of which George Lucas is a board member.
The quotes below are taken from a video of George Lucas talking about the Film-Foundation - and the importance of preserving movies. Click on the Film-Foundation link above and then on the George Lucas image icon to watch the actual video…
"The idea of film history, the idea of preserving films, which are so important to our heritage and culture, and which are part of what I think are a very significant art form, especially going into the future, I think is paramount. The reality that we face which is half the films before 1950 have been lost and we’ll never see them again… is a tragedy. And it saddens me every time I think about the fact that I’ve seen stills, I’ve heard stories about certain movies and I’ll never, ever be able to see them. Because they’re gone now. And I think preserving films - in terms of the legacy for the future - is probably the most important thing we can do.
Other fans are simply asking to have the option to buy and experience the original cuts… the version of the films they grew up with… that stood for some 20 years… in the best possible quality on the latest quality home digital format.
Over the years that has also grown into many fans on here also calling for a release of the 1997 Special Edition - which has never had a HD release or even a release on a digital format (outside of a poor quality VCD) - despite there being a ready-to-go superb quality negative of the 1997 SE for release. And also the 2004 SE cuts; which have never officially been released in HD. The 2011 SE and 2019 SE are cuts are readily available in HD and in the case of the 2019 SE, in 4K/UHD too (despite image and colour issues - with loss of detail etc, and more alterations)
Many here also back the call to release all the theatrical cuts of the 6 main Star Wars films a backup to the Wired article (both the PT and OT).
A topic that might upset the entire forum - “Nobody hated the Prequels, until the internet told them too.” - agenda-led & revisionist youtube videos doing a 180° on SW history + then taken as fact by viewers, and even some younger OT members on here.
^ a brief look into highlighting the revisionism of history from some PT/George fans - and also the perils of taking youtube videos from certain channels at their word.
The ‘Archival / Historical Discussions’ (History & Events : George Lucas & numerous talents Behind The Scenes in the OT / Lucasfilm era) - the George Lucas ‘interviews and comments’ section in ‘An Index for Original Trilogy Discussion’ is a useful resource for some of George’s divisive and gaslighting comments and claims over the years.
Many of us were there in the 1970s & 1980s; we saw the films, and we fell in love with them. We bought the articles, we watched the interviews, we read the scripts and books, and we bought the merch… anything and everything Star Wars that we could lay our hands on. We also remember what George said about the stories at the time… we lived it… which is unfortunate for Lucas’ latterly constructed ‘grand masterplan’ claims… for his much-retconned & much-altered ‘official’ history of Star Wars, writing people out of history or downplaying their contributions or roles, the 180° turnaround on film preservation and George’s previous statements objecting to the alteration of films, as well as highlighting his other varied and ongoing disingenuous & nonsensical comments and claims over the years.
That George wants to also make ongoing alterations to other directors’ work in Star Wars - notable Irvin Kershner’s Empire Strikes Back and Richard Marquand’s Return Of The Jedi… and not make both their originally released cuts of the two Original Trilogy films, that George did not direct, available for others to view and experience…
An abridged screenshot from JW Rinzler’s ‘The Making Of Episode III’ book; a quoted conversation between Frank Oz and George Lucas…
^ George Lucas: “Seriously, that’s why I’m a member of the Film Foundation (filmmakers for film preservation). A director should be able to change his films - but nobody else.”
At the time of above conversation George Lucas had already made changes to directors Irvin Kershner’s ‘Empire Strikes Back’, and Richard Marquand’s ‘Return Of The Jedi’ - and would also make go on to make further additional changes to both films.
Neither the Empire Strikes Back or Return Of The Jedi are available as their respective directors intended, or indeed made, on a modern and quality digital format.
Also, all of the following quotes are from George Lucas, taken from his speech to the US Congress in 1988, on the subject of altering films…
“American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history.”
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“The public’s interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests.”
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“It will soon be possible to create a new ‘original’ negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires.”
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“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.”
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“People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians.”
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“Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself.”
An article with the full speech by George Lucas, at Force Material: ‘George Lucas explains why you shouldn’t digitally alter films’
And even in 2024, George himself brought up the following subjects doing the media rounds at Cannes; further attempts at gaslighting sections of Star Wars fans with some bizarre claims and disingenuous statements…
- New Lucas interview - the originals “look terrible” (George claiming the OT on laserdisc is best they are going to look; “That is what it looked like.”)
- New GL interview 2: ‘Insists Unaltered Versions Of The OT Will Never Be Released’
- George Lucas Rejects ‘Star Wars’ Critics Who Think the First Six Films Are ‘All White Men’: ‘Most of the People Are Aliens! (George trying negate criticism that early OT films had little-to-no people of colour, that many of the cast were white males for no valid reason)
- Lucas on the Prequels criticism - “It is a kids’ movie. It’s always been a kids’ movie.” (in trying to deflect or negate criticism from adults about the PT films)
Some suggested additional reading (for anyone wanting to learn more about the history of Star Wars)…
• An OriginalTrilogy.com Timeline | a history of the site | the why & how it came to be…
• A brief overview of the OriginalTrilogy•com down the years…
• Some useful OT.com threads re the suppression of the theatrical Original Trilogy films
• #ReleaseTheOriginalTrilogy | OriginalTrilogy.com’s enduring goal | How you can help
• The 'Naysayer Guide’ by people who DON’T want an unaltered theatrical release of the Original Trilogy…
• George Lucas: Star Wars Creator, Unreliable Narrator & Time Travelling Revisionist…• From Interpositives to Separation Masters: How Film Preservation Works - at the Saving Star Wars website.
• Saving Star Wars: The Special Edition Restoration Process and its Changing Physicality - at The Secret History of Star Wars website
• How the Grinch Stole Star Wars - at the Saving Star Wars website.
• Can’t Even Get the Special Edition Right & Frequently Asked Questions - at the Saving Star Wars website.
• Original Trilogy vs The Prequels: inconsistencies, retcons, plot holes and discrepancies…
• Pre-PT era lore | an OT & EU scrapbook resource | additional info & sources welcome• Phil Tippett on the Special Editions: “They’re shit”. And the £2b deal for George to direct the Prequel Trilogy etc… - PepsiCo’s 1996 deal with George, the hype and the merchandising machine for the Prequel Trilogy, the mixed and negative reviews for the Prequel Trilogy at time of release, and articles on the issue of racial stereotypes in The Phantom Menace.
• Archival / Historical Discussions (History & Events : George Lucas & numerous talents Behind The Scenes in the OT / Lucasfilm era) - the George Lucas ‘interviews and comments’ section in ‘An Index for Original Trilogy Discussion’.
• Other websites / communities supposed issues with the OT•com, the Original Trilogy, or the unaltered theatrical cuts - section of the ‘Fandom’ category, in ‘An Index for Original Trilogy Discussion’.
• A topic that might upset the entire forum - “Nobody hated the Prequels, until the internet told them too.” - agenda-led & revisionist youtube videos doing a 180° on SW history + then taken as fact by viewers.
• I’ll never understand the attitude of people who oppose the release of the unaltered Original Trilogy - a little more the history of this site; the abuse & threats issued by some Prequel / Lucas zealots.
• A brief overview of the OriginalTrilogy•com down the years…• Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes (SWVC ‘OT Changes Index thread’ - by 005)
• Disney+ Should Offer the Star Wars Original Cuts—All of Them - doubleofive’s article for Wired. a backup to the Wired article
• #ReleaseTheOriginalTrilogy - What We Want And How To Make It - a sequel piece by doubleofive to the above Wired article.
• List of Academy Awards for The Original Trilogy
• The Lost Art of Star Wars
• Modern Special Edition Revisionism
Anyway, I’ve rambled on for far, far too long (once again!) - and veered way off-topic (apologies doubleofive!)…
I’m really looking forward to doubleofive’s a definitive history of the Greedo scene on video. 👍
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- #1294988
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- Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers **
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1294988/action/topic#1294988
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‘Early drafts of Solo: A Star Wars Story featured Lando Calrissian’s ‘big brother’’:-
https://twitter.com/JonKasdan/status/1168287139848773639
^ and more information in the linked article.
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- #1294929
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- Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1294929/action/topic#1294929
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You give in and, and they come out of the wood works. No one is willing to search themselves. And yes, there are definitely easy ways to obtain the entire OT in this format by a simple DuckDuckGo search.
I have searched and all the links I have found are dead. I get that we want to avoid hit-n runners. I’m not one of them.
There are still alternatives…
solkap’s NJVC Custom Blu-ray Set of Harmy’s Despecialized Editions now available on Mega superb thread is still an option.
The Despecialized Editions are still available on various public and private torrent sites - in many file formats and file sizes to suit.
As well as what Jaxer said re DuckDuckGo, apparently.
Plus, some fellow members have been, on occasion, helping out those who have made an effort to join in with - and be a part of - the community on here, too.
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- #1294356
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- The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1294356/action/topic#1294356
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A friendly reminder to play nice, kids.
Noted and Ill refrain from replying to him anymore as it’s obvious again he can’t help himself due to prior “entanglements”.
No, it wasn’t obvious at all.
You brought up your past with the poster into the conversation and took issue with him calling you ‘buddy’ as ‘condescending pretense’ - instead of simply discussing/debating the points made - as well as the dig above.
Knock it off. Thank you.
(time it out if you want, you’ll just be missing the point in a rush to prove your deluded nonsense)
‘deluded nonsense’?
Knock it off. Thank you.
If either of you have an issue or any questions with this, or would like to discuss it further, feel free to PM me - as to not further derail the thread.
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- #1294352
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- The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1294352/action/topic#1294352
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What’s wrong with nostalgia?
Absolutely nothing mate.
For some it is “cinematic inbreeding” apparently - Disney are doing it wrong again. Using too much OT or something in their sizzle reels.
For others it was fine, okay, great, superb, piqued their interest, got them talking about the film - or maybe even looking forward to seeing it.
Or sizzle reel? Sizzle reel? Release the official damn trailer!!! It’s less than four months to go before the release and they’re still giving us sizzle reels!!! 😉 😃
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- #1294087
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- Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1294087/action/topic#1294087
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‘Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker | D23 Special Look’:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n1T3HxHd7Y (from the official Star Wars youtube channel)
or here - https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1165962999720370176
‘The story of a generation comes to an end. Watch the D23 Special Look for Star Wars: #TheRiseofSkywalker.’
JediPaxis (a moderator at reddit/StarWarsLeaks) has kindly put together a ‘TROS D23 First Look Frame-By-Frame Photo Album’:-
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- #1294078
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- Awesome Star Wars art (pic heavy!!)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1294078/action/topic#1294078
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^ There are a few other variances on the teaser poster, along with some other art for Episode IX, in the Episode IX : The Rise Of Skywalker - film & fan art, + covers etc thread in the Case Covers, Disc Labels, and Fan Art section too 😃
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- #1294026
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- <em><strong>Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge</strong></em> (Disney Theme Park)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1294026/action/topic#1294026
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Ooof! - I hope those reported prices are indeed wrong 😃
Some ‘Rise Of The Resistance’ on-ride footage from D23:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p71pEENzzZI or https://twitter.com/MouseInfo/status/1165682621839372288
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- #1293992
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- <strong>Disney+</strong> streaming platform : <strong>Star Wars content</strong> & various other info
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1293992/action/topic#1293992
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‘Disney Unveils International Roll-Out Of Disney+ Streaming Service; Reveals Details In Canada, Holland, Australia & New Zealand’:-
https://deadline.com/2019/08/disney-international-launches-1202671080
'Disney is to begin rolling out its streaming service Disney+ internationally in November – with a number of territories going day-and-date with the U.S.
The Hollywood studio has revealed plans to launch the service in Canada, the Netherlands, Australia, and New Zealand – the first global details for the forthcoming SVOD platform.
Disney+ will launch in Canada and the Netherlands on November 12, in tandem with the U.S. launch, while the following week the service will launch in Australia and New Zealand on November 19.
In Canada, it will be priced C$8.99 per month, or $89.99 per year, and in Holland, it will cost €6.99 per month of €69.99 per year, In Australia, it will cost A$8.99 per month or $89.99 per year, and NZ$9.99 per month or $99.99 in New Zealand’.
More info in the above link.
Edit: Disney+ now has their own official twitter account too - https://twitter.com/disneyplus
So, no info about when it’ll be available in Scandinavia?
Since HBO Nordic has (from what I’ve gathered) been quite good at releasing things more-or-less at the same time as the US it’d be kind of weird if Disney+ was as delayed here as it will be in the UK.
BTW; Is there any specific reason why the UK won’t get Disney+ until next year? That seems really weird to me.
The exclusive contracts that Sky TV have for showing the Star Wars films in the UK do not expire until sometime in 2020… (ie, https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/nov/05/sky-faces-loss-of-disney-content-as-it-leaves-the-ftse-100 - 2018 article)
I haven’t seen anything about Scandinavia, sorry.
This article has a bit of info; the German Disney+ is down for a 2020 start - and most of Western Europe too (translated):-
‘As the colleagues of Variety report, the service should expand to “Western Europe” in early 2020 - whether Germany is included is not yet clear. At the end of 2020, Disney + should also start in Eastern Europe. We therefore expect that Disney + will be available here at the earliest in early 2020 until the end of 2020 at the latest.’
Though I’ve no idea how reliable or accurate the actual article - or publication, is:-
https://www.giga.de/webapps/netflix/specials/disney-plus-streamingdienst-start-inhalt-preis
If you’re on social media it may well be worth asking the question on the respective Disney+ channels about the Scandinavian services to come?
Yeah, HBO are pretty much on the ball with their services all over the world (a few early leaks for Game Of Thrones apart 😉). Disney stuttering the release of the Disney+ around the world will likely see many opt for the Dark Side route of obtaining content they wish to see… and some may not bother with the official Disney+ service when it is eventually available in their respective countries…
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- #1293979
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- Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1293979/action/topic#1293979
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Well, I’m awaiting for the inevitable youtube videos outraged at the thought of Rey winning the sabre fight vs Kylo - despite Kylo HAVING THE HIGH GROUND in that teaser poster!!! If this happen in the film it means Rey is now even more powerful than Anakin was and this is now 100% GUARANTEED CONFIRMED EVIDENCE that Rey is a total Mary Sue!!! 😉
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- #1293941
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- Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1293941/action/topic#1293941
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That is one sweet and tantalising teaser poster ❤️
https://www.starwars.com/news/d23-expo-2019-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-poster-revealed
Someone has knocked up a ‘motion version’ gif of it too, here:-
https://twitter.com/sw_archive/status/1165379876989390848
The 1st TROS reel from Friday’s D23 - https://twitter.com/TheSWU/status/1164966675369865216
and “D23 ‘The Rise Of Skywalker’ Footage To Debut Monday, Description Available Now - http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2019/08/d23-rise-of-skywalker-footage-to-debut.html” - https://twitter.com/TheSWU (re the 2nd TROS reel)
Some leaked D23 footage. Spoiler alert!
https://twitter.com/NathanRojas5/status/1164962446626512896?s=20Did anyone save it?
It can also be found here mate (the 1st IX reel; only l0 seconds long, from someone’s mobile phone):-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Zq0z6I_AQ & https://twitter.com/TheSWU/status/1164966675369865216
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- #1293880
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- Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1293880/action/topic#1293880
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Why is this same kind of article still being published?
Because near-on two years of this stuff just isn’t enough?
Oh… clicks, ads and $$$ from sensationalising and misleading titles and headlines with certain keywords to try and attract hits to said articles too.
It doesn’t apply so much to this article - yet there’s money to be made from peddling division, hate, toxicity and negativity online - and enforcing (repeating again and again) those views.
At no point are there quotes from Rian Johnson in the article stating he ‘subverted’ anything.
The only quotes from him in the article are…
“I think the instant you start thinking in terms of how do you not step outside of the bounds of what the original movies did, you’re not thinking the way the people who made the original movies did,” he said. “With every movie, they were pushing it forward, with every movie they were stepping outside those bounds and pushing the characters into new, emotionally honest, but surprising places."
“That’s why those movies are great. That’s why they’re alive. If they had been looking at something that came before it and saying, ‘Oh, we better not do this because that is outside of this or that,’ it would’ve been different.”
I think the video is every bit as bad as what he’s supposedly railing against (if not worse). Lest I be accused of being ‘toxic’ myself, let me reiterate that I’m left-leaning, drink soy milk, and despise what the internet has become. But this video is exactly the kind of smug clickbait crap that he’s supposedly taking a stance against. Any idiot can pull quotes from the likes of Jeremy from Geeks and Gamers and build an entire case around it. This is ridiculous. We have to get away from this stupid Star Wars tribalism and let each argument be assessed on its merit and intent, rather than these insane ‘us vs them’ rampages on both ‘sides’.
Worse than the videos he’s supposedly ‘railing against’? Seems he pulled a fair few videos, across a range of time, from far far more than just the one channel, and put together a video highlighting some of the toxic, divisive, and negative clickbait around over the past couple of years. Is what was featured in the video mis-representative of the channels featured? No.
‘clickbait crap’? Well, he did title it the ‘Review Of The Fandom Menace’ 😉 Yet I don’t see the usual keywords associated these type of videos. In fact, in the description there is nothing there apart from ‘They were nobody’.
Highlighting the content of these toxic videos isn’t ‘tribalism’ - it is giving an insight, an opinion (seemingly quite a rare one), to just what some of them are actually about and - how they operate without factual info, balance or seemingly much thought or research.
‘Ridiculous’? How is the video ridiculous? I’d say it is pretty informative - in a light & non-serious sense - given the nature of the video. I’m not aware of their being other videos out there akin to this one (if there are, please are let me know - I’d like to see how they compare, for one). Afterall, any ‘idiot’ can put together such a video?
As said before, I don’t agree with all the points made (who does?); many others likely won’t either - and will take different things from it. Though going on your post re this video alone… man, you must be absolutely scathing about the actual countless toxic, negative and divisive videos out there over the past few years… perhaps could you point me to some of your critical posts on them, please?
By the way MajorLee debated Mauler and crew on a series called EFAP and couldn’t answer/justify any of the legitimate concerns (ie plot holes, lore, character arcs etc etc) concerning TLJ. His default was along the lines of an exasperated “I don’t care, I just love this movie”. And that’s fine, but to then turn around and push this particular narrative, when he knows full well that there are wide ranging and legitimate views concerning these films, is disingenuous at best. He is literally being just as petulant a fanboy as those he seeks to bring down.
Don’t be fooled by the fact that you might agree with his sentiment.
I don’t know who those guys are, and I’m not sure what that has got to do with the video above - unless it’s something to be used against the creator of it? I don’t know anything about this Major guy (I haven’t even checked out his other videos) - seems he did a decent job highlighting some of the toxicity, negativity and absurd claims going around from a fair few youtube channels & social media, in it.
‘Don’t be fooled by the fact that you might agree with his sentiment?’ - I don’t think anyone is - it’s more about the video he made - than the character behind it (like I say I don’t know anything about him). And in this context does it matter? Probably not.
‘push this particular narrative’ - again, I don’t think he is pushing anything - other than offering an insight into what goes into many of these toxic or repeatedly negative video channels - and also what doesn’t go into them.
It seems you are attempting to somehow discredit the man behind the video - rather than discussing the actual content he highlighted in the video. A shame, that.
By the way, did you attempt a similar stance / criticism to the video creators of the more toxic channels and media which you also have taken issue with? Could you point me to some of them, please? I’d be interested in reading them.
That video should be required viewing for everyone who comes here to peddle bullshit, hate, and racism. Even if half of the assholes featured actually believe their own misogyny and racism, it’s still too many. Our culture has become toxic and this is an extension of it. The louder voices, like Zero, are just tending to their herd and keeping them angry. I almost feel sorry for their followers. I’m going to have to keep that link handy for when I’m banning trolls.
Likewise for your above response, Jason. You summed up everything that (unfortunately) needs to be repeated from time to time. People need to go outdoors occasionally. I’ve a mind to make that an announcement post. If I thought it could be done, it would be a required read before a new account is able to participate.
We could look into the possibility of doing something akin to this…
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- #1293871
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- <strong>Disney+</strong> streaming platform : <strong>Star Wars content</strong> & various other info
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1293871/action/topic#1293871
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^ No worries, mate.
For us people in the UK it seems we’ll be getting Disney+ (or rather, The Mandalorian) sometime ‘early 2020’…
https://twitter.com/StarWarsUK/status/1165147142241079296
^ ‘The Mandalorian, the first live-action Star Wars series, only on #DisneyPlus. Coming to you early 2020.’
Given Disney+ launches in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, & Netherlands mid-November… I’m sure everybody in the UK will be patient and just wait a few months for their Mandalorian fix. That the good people on the internet will not be posting spoilers or information from the series they have seen, meanwhile.
‘This is a dangerous time for the UKers, when they will be tempted by the Dark Side of the Force’…
^ and I’m not talking about Brexit (too late) or the possibility of voting for Boris in a General Election (then you are lost!) 😉
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- #1293835
- Topic
- 4K restoration on Star Wars
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1293835/action/topic#1293835
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A new timeline… 😉
(though still no Holiday Special, two Ewok films, ‘The Clone Wars’ film, or the animated ‘Droids’, ‘Ewoks’ & ‘Clone Wars’ series in these… 😉)
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- #1293834
- Topic
- The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1293834/action/topic#1293834
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https://twitter.com/DisneyD23/status/1165058557789687808
‘JUST ANNOUNCED: Hello there! Ewan McGregor will reprise his role as Obi-Wan Kenobi in an untitled series for #DisneyPlus! #D23Expo’
or
https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1165066376429486080
‘Hello there! Just announced at #D23Expo: Ewan McGregor will reprise his role as Obi-Wan Kenobi in a new original series, coming to #DisneyPlus.’
and also here:-
https://www.starwars.com/news/the-galaxy-far-far-away-just-got-a-little-bigger
‘The Disney+ panel was the first to announce an all-new Star Wars series in development, one that many fans have been asking to see since the closing scenes of 2005’s Revenge of the Sith. Ewan McGregor, who played Obi-Wan Kenobi, electrified the audience when he emerged following the announcement of his involvement in a new series taking place eight years after the events of Revenge of the Sith, where we last saw Obi-Wan delivering the infant Luke Skywalker to his Tatooine homestead.’
and…
https://twitter.com/getfandom/status/1165060686449238016?s=21 (with video of the announcement)
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- #1293832
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- <strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - Star Wars live action TV series : <strong>Non Spolier</strong> thread
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1293832/action/topic#1293832
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The Mandalorian trailer…
https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1165057650456850433
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOC8E8z_ifw (the official Star Wars youtube channel)
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- #1293828
- Topic
- <em>Star Wars: The Clone Wars</em> To Return With New Episodes
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1293828/action/topic#1293828
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https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1165054385669279744
‘Just announced at #D23Expo, the next season of The Clone Wars will premiere in February on #DisneyPlus.’
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- #1293827
- Topic
- <strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - Star Wars live action TV series : <strong>Non Spolier</strong> thread
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1293827/action/topic#1293827
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‘Ming-Na Wen joins The Mandalorian cast’:-
https://ew.com/tv/2019/08/23/ming-na-wen-the-mandalorian-cast
With a short video clip of Ming Na Wen talking about it here:-
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- #1293819
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- Random Pictures and Gifs (now with winning!) [NSFW]
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1293819/action/topic#1293819
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Mistakes were made…
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- #1293792
- Topic
- The Place to Go for Emotional Support
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1293792/action/topic#1293792
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It is with deepest sorrow and regret that I have to announce the sudden death of my grandmother Herta Leman. I am heartbroken. I need all the support you can offer
I am so sorry for your loss, LZ.
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- #1293763
- Topic
- <strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - Star Wars live action TV series : <strong>Non Spolier</strong> thread
- Link
- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1293763/action/topic#1293763
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https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/star-wars-the-mandalorian-poster-unveiled-disney-plus
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- #1293745
- Topic
- The Random <em>Star Wars</em> Pics & GIFs Thread
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1293745/action/topic#1293745
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The gif is too large/long to be embedded here (and already posted in the SW News thread - though worthy of a re-post here) and also another look…
‘this is what @starwars fandom is all about’:-
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- #1293743
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- ❗ <strong>How to ask for a fan project</strong> on the OT•com | Do NOT make 'link request' posts ❗
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1293743/action/topic#1293743
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Guys, does anyone know if there is a fanedit of Star Trek Enterprise last episode ? I’m rewatching the show but I don’t really want to finish with the terrible official last episode, so if there is on that cuts out all of the TNG material to leave the focus on Archer, I would welcome it.
Thanks in advance ! 😃
Enterprise Finale - No Next Generation: These Are The Voyages by ‘Insignia34’ over at FE may be of interest, Mala 😃