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Anakin's ghost?!?!?!

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Can somebody please tell me why they changed (even from the SE's as far as I can tell!!!) Anakins ghost at the end of ROTJ? I seem to remember Luke, in the middle of the Ewok party, looking off to see his fathers visage (an old man) along with Yoda and Ben. So who the f#@k is that long haired kid grinning like an idiot in the DVD version? Anakin? If it is, why isn't Ben's character look like Ewan MacGreggor? Am I nuts (distinctly possible)?
hes a wolf howling lonely in the night, hes a bloodstain on the stage...
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You're not nuts; Lucass is.

Moll.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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That change was uncalled for.

It's like a bad dream.



Thank God for Laserdiscs. That's all I can say.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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swine,

No one has really given you the "official" explanation. While I do not support or even like the change, I will explain what Lucasfilm has come out to say about it.

Anakin's "real death" was when he became Darth Vader, not when he was redeemed on the DS2. When his ghost appears through the Force at the end of ROTJ, its showing him as he was when he had his "real death."
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Lucas is under the mistaken impression that the Prequels are far, far, far, far superior to the Original Trilogy, so he takes any opportunity to bastardze the originals with more and more Prequel BS. This is one change that I am amazed to see the Lucas-loving Fanboys standing up for, as I can see no logical reason for the change.. other than ego and a need to make ROTJ (a movie Lucas did not write or direct) even more a "Lucas Prequel".

Or to put it a better way, Hayden was not even born when SW was released.
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Yeah that and it just looks stupid. Could "Anakin" look even more like a jackass?
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But it really makes sense if you think about it. I mean when he originally made Jedi, he didnt have the technology for the Anakin ghost to be young, so they let Sebastian Shaw play the ghost. But now, years later, by miraculous technological bounds we have arrived at the TRUE CINEMATIC VISION of Lucass.

WTF LUCAS, IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE!!!!
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I find the whole idea of this completly ludicrous...

After watching the PT i cant understand how ani was ever good, especially with all the tusken slaughtering and Padme stocking/obsessing...
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The way they have him acting with Padme is one of the worst things about AOTC for me. I mean, we are talking about the future top 3 Jedi Anakin Skywalker, and they make him seem so sniveling and incapable. For the first half of the movie he acts like a spoiled rich kid who isnt allowed to have the girl he has been obsessing over forever. I mean, I understand that he has to be into her, that makes sense for me with the plot-line. But spare Anakin some effing dignity.
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I mean, we are talking about the future top 3 Jedi Anakin Skywalker, and they make him seem so sniveling and incapable.


That's why when I watched these Prequels, I think to myself.. "whydid Lucas make these, as Anakin is not interesting enough to support one movie, let alone three."

There's a theory that a movie only works if you show the story of character at the most critical, most interesting and most compelling moment, and for my money, Darth Vader defined that moment, and Anakin is just a boring and useless character. The Original Trilogy is the story of Luke's ascension to a Jedi, and Darth Vader's antagonism, redemption and eventual death. We really didn't need a backstory, as Darth Vader represented a more interesting character and arc, than does Whiney Ani.

The prequels are kind of like watching home movies of Barry Bonds as a toddler, while the Original Trilogy is his record-breaking home-run year.
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I mean, we are talking about the future top 3 Jedi Anakin Skywalker, and they make him seem so sniveling and incapable.


That's why when I watched these Prequels, I think to myself.. "whydid Lucas make these, as Anakin is not interesting enough to support one movie, let alone three."

There's a theory that a movie only works if you show the story of character at the most critical, most interesting and most compelling moment, and for my money, Darth Vader defined that moment, and Anakin is just a boring and useless character. The Original Trilogy is the story of Luke's ascension to a Jedi, and Darth Vader's antagonism, redemption and eventual death. We really didn't need a backstory, as Darth Vader represented a more interesting character and arc, than does Whiney Ani.

The prequels are kind of like watching home movies of Barry Bonds as a toddler, while the Original Trilogy is his record-breaking home-run year.



I couldnt disagree with you more on this. Sure the PT is complete crap as it stands, but that is not to say that a redone version of the story line would be the same. There is a lot of room for the back story to be great, it has just been done completely wrong. If Gl would have allowed the same amount of input he did with the first three(O-OT), we probably would not be as negative about the whole things. Anikin was supposed to be a hero that fell, and shattered the galaxy in turn. Lots of plot, lots of character development, lots of action, lots of everything you need for a great movie. GL just messed it up big time...
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Ok, this may look crappy...but look what I had to work with anyway. It's the galaxy's newest boy band

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LOL
great!
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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Now that I look at that ghost scene, it's like a fucked up version of the evolution of man. Move Yoda over and it'll be fine.
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so true...
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"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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It 's sad that George has decided to ruin the Bad-ass character he created in the original trilogy, by showing him as a whiney, bratty doofus in the prequals, thereby destroying any of the mystery that Vader has in the original trilogy. I beleive future generations when watching all six fims in correct order will look at Darth Vader in a completely different light and his character will lose it's impact in episodes 4-5-6
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Originally posted by: swine
Can somebody please tell me why they changed (even from the SE's as far as I can tell!!!) Anakins ghost at the end of ROTJ? I seem to remember Luke, in the middle of the Ewok party, looking off to see his fathers visage (an old man) along with Yoda and Ben. So who the f#@k is that long haired kid grinning like an idiot in the DVD version? Anakin? If it is, why isn't Ben's character look like Ewan MacGreggor? Am I nuts (distinctly possible)?


Obi-wan was good until death. Which is why he still looks old. Anakin Skywalker died when he became Darth Vader. "Then my father is truely dead"
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Of course, that's forgetting that Darth Vader redeemed himself, killed the Emperor and returned to Anakin Skywalker when Luke lifted his helmet. This naturally led to the poignant scene at the end of ROTJ where the newly-redeemed Anakin takes his rightful place with the other Jedi.

This recent change is illogical, lame, and obviously done so that the crappy Lucas Prequels can insert even more control over the superior OT. Lucas continually tries to get the Prequel scenes and story into the OT, like some ugly guy hanging out with a pretty boy, hoping some of the charm will rub off.

Sorry George, you can't polish a turd.
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Originally posted by: swine
Can somebody please tell me why they changed (even from the SE's as far as I can tell!!!) Anakins ghost at the end of ROTJ? I seem to remember Luke, in the middle of the Ewok party, looking off to see his fathers visage (an old man) along with Yoda and Ben. So who the f#@k is that long haired kid grinning like an idiot in the DVD version? Anakin? If it is, why isn't Ben's character look like Ewan MacGreggor? Am I nuts (distinctly possible)?


Obi-wan was good until death. Which is why he still looks old. Anakin Skywalker died when he became Darth Vader. "Then my father is truely dead"


BUT later vader tells luke that he was R-I-G-H-T. How luke saved him already, tell you sister, blah blah blah blah... You cant save something that was already dead...

if i have a dollar for every edit lucy boy didnt think through i might have more money than him...

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if i have a dollar for every edit lucy boy didnt think through i might have more money than him...


Then you too could go mad with power and tell us all to go fuck ourselves.
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I just watched the new ROTJ dvd for the first time last night and was absolutely appauled to see f#&$ing Haden Christensen at the end. It was the last straw for me. So I hopped on the internet and found this wonderful site. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we can get the original cut on dvd and return Sebastian Shaw to his rightful place with Obi and Yoda during the finale in the Ewok village.
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I've seen it. When the movie reached the celebration scene, I was like "oh no, here we go, this is going to suck", and I was like a 5 year old watching a horror flick, I was SCARED of looking at the screen, and at the same time I was so embarassed. I felt like crying when I saw Hayden. There are VERY FEW things that can make a 22 year old man to cry. Congratulations, GL you did it.

Hey, a final thought, maybe GL has died in the mid 80s, and he was replacer by... Andy Kaufman! And he's just messing up with our heads! I mean, it DOES make sense, the only person who would deliberated destroy Star Wars just for the fun of it is Andy Kaufman.
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The new graphic stuff is fine with the land speeder and all, Jabba looks fine, I dont care. But what pisses me off is that Anakin is Christenson and the way the galaxy looks at the end of the Empire. Thoes things were great and forever will be, we want them back!
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Could they have possibly used a worse take of that Christenson (however the hell its spelled) fellow. It looks so horrible. He has that look on his face like his mother just walked in on him playing with himself or something.
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Could they have possibly used a worse take of that Christenson (however the hell its spelled) fellow. It looks so horrible. He has that look on his face like his mother just walked in on him playing with himself or something.


Good call! He definitely just got caught screwing around with our movie!