oojason

‘Exciting ‘Star Wars’ additions coming to Disney+ in April’:-

https://attractionsmagazine.com/exciting-star-wars-additions-coming-disney-april
 

^ 'April is set to be an exciting month for Disney+ subscribers, as many formerly out-of-print “Star Wars” series and movies are being added to the streaming service.

Starting Friday, April 2, fans of a galaxy far, far away will be able to dive into classic (and non-canon) entries from the past:

“Caravan of Courage”
“Ewoks: The Battle for Endor”
“Star Wars: Clone Wars – Volume I”
“Star Wars: Clone Wars – Volume II”
“Star Wars: Ewoks” (Seasons 1-2)

Also being added that same day is “The Story of the Faithful Wookiee,” better known as the animated section of the 1978 made-for-TV-film, “The Star Wars Holiday Special” – featuring the first appearance of bounty hunter Boba Fett.’
 

'Exciting ‘Star Wars’ additions coming to Disney+ in April:-

https://attractionsmagazine.com/exciting-star-wars-additions-coming-disney-april
 

^ 'April is set to be an exciting month for Disney+ subscribers, as many formerly out-of-print “Star Wars” series and movies are being added to the streaming service.

Starting Friday, April 2, fans of a galaxy far, far away will be able to dive into classic (and non-canon) entries from the past:

“Caravan of Courage”
“Ewoks: The Battle for Endor”
“Star Wars: Clone Wars – Volume I”
“Star Wars: Clone Wars – Volume II”
“Star Wars: Ewoks” (Seasons 1-2)

Also being added that same day is “The Story of the Faithful Wookiee,” better known as the animated section of the 1978 made-for-TV-film, “The Star Wars Holiday Special” – featuring the first appearance of bounty hunter Boba Fett.’

👍
 

A little surprising they are not showing the ‘Star Wars: Droids’ animated series on Disney+ too.

Though overall it is some good news for the fans of the now ‘Legends’ / ‘no longer canon’ Star Wars content.
 

‘Part of THE STAR WARS HOLIDAY SPECIAL Is Coming to Disney+’:-

https://nerdist.com/article/star-wars-holiday-special-boba-fett-on-disney-plus-ewoks-genndy-tartakovsky
 

'Lucasfilm gave the world a gift in 1978: The Star Wars Holiday Special. The oft-maligned TV special has some, shall we say, rough spots, but also marks Boba Fett‘s first ever appearance. He showed up in a truly wild animated short in the special before he returned in The Empire Strikes Back. And while Lucasfilm has largely shoved The Star Wars Holiday Special into a trunk, never to see the light of day again, they are releasing the Boba Fett animated segment on Disney+ in April alongside more classic Star Wars. I never thought I’d see the day.

“The Story of the Faithful Wookiee,” as the short is titled, airs as a cartoon in-universe that Chewbacca’s son Lumpawarrump watches. A mysterious character (Boba Fett) befriends Luke Skywalker and his friends and then goes on a mission with Chewbacca. There’s a cursed Talisman, a sleeping virus, and antics. And the animation quality is pretty solid, especially for the time. We’re excited that more people will get to see this quality entry in Boba Fett history.’
 

‘Genndy Tartakovsky’s animated Clone Wars series finally coming to Disney Plus’:-

www.polygon.com/star-wars/2021/3/16/22334599/star-wars-clone-wars-genndy-tartakovsky-streaming-disney-plus-ewoks
 

^ ‘One of the best Star Wars projects ever is finally coming to Disney Plus for easy streaming. ‘Star Wars: Clone Wars’, an animated series created by legendary animator Genndy Tartakovsky, is coming to the streaming service on April 2.’

So it may also be worth checking out the Star Wars Preservation Index for more 2003 Clone Wars fan projects coming soon…

a few articles rejoicing that Genndy Tartakovsky’s 2003 Clone Wars series is finally available on Disney+…

‘Watch Star Wars Vintage: Clone Wars 2D Micro-Series’ - at Disney+

‘Clone Wars 2003: The best Star Wars series is finally on Disney+’ - at Inverse

‘The original Star Wars: Clone Wars still kicks ass’ - at TechRadar

‘The Only Truly Great Star Wars Prequel Is Now on Disney+’ - at Esquire

‘The best ‘Star Wars’ animated show is finally coming to streaming’ - at Collider

‘Genndy Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars proves General Grievous was actually cool’ - at Polygon

‘Star Wars: Genndy Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars Is On Disney+ Now, And You Should Watch It’ - at BOLS

‘Why You Should Watch ‘Star Wars: Clone Wars’ (2003 Series)’ - at The Indiependent

‘Genndy Tartakovsky’s ‘Clone Wars’: Why the Star Wars Microseries is Still Great’ - at MovieWeb

‘The Best Clone Wars Cartoon Is Coming Back’ - at Kotaku

‘My most CONTROVERSIAL Clone Wars Opinion’ (2003 Clone Wars is better than the 2008 The Clone Wars - and why)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSOGZyg7P4M - a 9 minute video at the Bombastic youtube channel, in 2021.

 
I’ve also added some content for the whole '2002-2007 Clone Wars multimedia project’, on Page 1 of this thread, or here.
 

pinktwilek said:

does anyone have a link to these edits? i’ve been looking everywhere bc the fanedit.info links no longer work 😦

It is probably worth sending a PM to Rikter - he states he has made both the MagnoliaFan Edits available in the posts above yours.

Plus, if you contact the admin at FanEdit•info and let them know their links to the MagnoliaFan Edits are broken… they’ll likely fix them for you (and everyone else wanting them).

Good luck with it 👍
 

Contains spoilers from the end of Season 2 of The Mandalorian…
 

‘Star Wars | Clan of Two’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAaXSRRp3mU - a 7 minute video at the James Rodriguez youtube channel.

The blurb: ‘The parallels of parents and their respective children through the saga of Star Wars.’
 

A quality montage video - a shame it features Hayden Christensen, and not Sebastian Shaw, as Anakin for the ROTJ Jedi Spirits scenes, but other than that… very nicely done.
 

^ Huh, that’s strange - I only remember there being 3 movies… 😉
 

More information on the above set release & contents here - https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/031521-1400
 

‘The Indiana Jones 4-Movie Collection is coming to 4K Ultra HD! All 4 films are remastered from 4K scans of the original negatives with extensive visual effects work done to ensure the most pristine & highest quality image, as approved by director Steven Spielberg.’

^ https://twitter.com/ParamountMovies/status/1371566879131762689
 

No tinkering or revisionism, please. 👍
 

‘Fan Builds Giant Replica of The Mandalorian’s Razor Crest’:-

https://nerdist.com/article/the-mandalorian-razor-crest-fan-replica (with video)

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mandalorian-fan-builds-life-size-134500326.html (with video)

https://www.rt.com/russia/517754-cosplayers-siberia-mandalorian-starship (+ video of inside the cockpit)
 

Some of the people involved in making The Mandalorian’s Razor Crest (scroll up), have now built…

…a life-size X-Wing!

❤️
 

 
Star Wars fan built a stunning life-size W-Wing model - article at Nerdist.

Star Wars Fan Builds Incredibly Detailed Life-Size X-Wing in New Video - article at ScreenRant

Siberian Star Wars Fans Build Life-Size X-Wing Fighter - article at Moscow Times.

^ the above articles have more images and videos of the X-Wing - and some of the build process for it too. 😃
 

All credit to screams in the void for posting this video elsewhere on the site - I thought it also deserves a mention in here…

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‘Star Wars Visual Effects Pioneers Highlight The Academy’s “Galactic Innovations: Star Wars & Rogue One” Event’:-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOxfmq0nCEs - a 2 and a half hour video from the Alexis Alcázar youtube channel. (2019)
 

The blurb: 'Watch live as VFX pioneers behind “Star Wars” and “Rogue One” share the journey of creating the impossible with their breakthrough visual effects.

We’ll share rare images that compare the technology and visual results from both films. Guests include John Dykstra, Dennis Muren, John Knoll, Ben Burtt, Marcia Lucas, Bill George, Harrison Ellenshaw, Bruce Nicholson, Richard Edlund and Rachel Rose.’
 

Marcia Lucas’s two main segments in the above video start at… 1h 5m 30s - and later at 2h 6m 50s. Obviously, as the video only covers Star Wars (1977) & Rogue One - it doesn’t cover Marcia’s editing work on Empire Strikes Back or Return Of The Jedi.
 

More info about the above event in 2019 (the main focus is on Original Trilogy and some on Rogue One) can be found here:-

www.indiewire.com/2019/06/star-wars-tech-academy-1202152588 & www.wearemoviegeeks.com/2019/06/266867

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a 2024 edit; this 27 minute documentary style youtube video may also be of interest…
 

‘The Marcia Lucas Effect | Star Wars documentary | The Jedi Beat’:-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgfwi1gO8mQ - a 27 minute video from the Force Center youtube channel. (2024)
 

The blurb: ‘On this episode of The Jedi Beat, Jennifer Landa takes a closer look at Marcia Lucas and her editing career. How did she shape the story of Star Wars: A New Hope? What fueled her passion for editing? And how was she a “secret weapon” for the story of Star Wars?’

3️⃣
 

‘Star Wars 40th with Marcia Lucas and Duwayne Dunham’:-

https://vimeo.com/224132896 - a 10 minute video at the Athena Studios vimeo channel. (2017)
 

The blurb: ‘Academy Award-winning editor and George Lucas’ former wife Marcia Lucas discusses the creation of Star Wars with Emmy-winning editor Duwayne Dunham who worked on The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.

From the 40th Anniversary ILM reunion held at 32ten Studios on May 27th, 2017.’

4️⃣
 

‘A Conversation with Marcia Lucas’:-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2CPTf5J_5g - a 75 minute video at the AVFilm youtube channel. (2024; now a ‘private’ video)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWj5oq-GzKQ - a 60 minute replacement video at the AVFilm youtube channel. (2024)
 

The blurb: ‘AVFilm is proud to present a conversation with Marcia Lucas, renowned Academy Award-winning film editor of Star Wars: A New Hope. Her most notable works include American Graffiti, the Star Wars trilogy, Taxi Driver, and Alice Doesn’t Live Here Any More. Marcia Lucas was joined on stage by AVFilm Executive Director Kathryn Hecht and Sundance Director Emeritus John Cooper for an intimate, deep dive into the world Ms. Lucas navigated and shaped with her landmark contributions to filmmaking.’

5️⃣
 

‘How Star Wars Was Saved In The Edit’ (in that nearly all films are saved or made in ‘The Edit’):-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk - an 18 minute video at the RocketJump youtube channel. (2017)

The blurb: ‘A video essay exploring how Star Wars’ editors recut and rearranged Star Wars: A New Hope to create the cinematic classic it became’.
 

^ Yes, the video does have some factual errors in it - though does demonstrate the power and effect of quality editing.

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‘Marcia Lucas: The Heart of Star Wars | Deep Focus’:-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGQt5J0Tk-M - a 20 minute video at the Jim Gisriel youtube channel. (2018)
 

The blurb: ‘Marcia Lucas: The Heart of Star Wars | Deep Focus’.

7️⃣
 

 
• Icons Unearthed : new 6 part documentary on the Original Trilogy (on VICE) (2022; feat. Marcia Lucas interview & others BTS)

8️⃣
 

 
This in-depth ‘In Tribute to Marcia Lucas’ article written by the author of The Secret History of Star Wars - Michael Kaminski (aka zombie84):-

“In Tribute to Marcia Lucas”

9️⃣
 

 
An article on Marcia Lucas - and Charles Lippincott’s contributions to the Marcia Lucas segment in ‘The Secret History of Star Wars’ book and article (above). It also touches upon the some of the people who contributed to / worked on the film - and were later written out of the official history of Star Wars - such as Lippincott himself, Gary Kurtz, and Marcia Lucas…

“The ‘secret weapon’ behind Star Wars” (from 2015, by Charles Lippincott. RIP.)

🔟
 

 
‘MARCIA MARCIA MARCIA: The Legacy of Marcia Lucas (with @TalkingBay94)’ - a 58 minute podcast from Trash Compactor:-

www.trashcompod.com/marcia-marcia-marcia-the-legacy-of-marcia-lucas-with-talkingbay94
 

The blurb: ‘We’re joined by the inimitable BRANDON WAINERDI, best known for his podcast TALKING BAY 94 (www.talkingbay94.com), to talk about the role MARCIA LUCAS played in the creation of the original Star Wars trilogy, her contributions to the New Hollywood of the 1970s, and her conspicuous absence from the popular narrative of both.’

OT•com threads on Marcia Lucas… can be found in ‘3️⃣ Ⓒ • Archival / Historical Discussions’ of an Index for OT Discussion

3️⃣ • How Star Wars ‘Was Saved In The Edit’… of the ‘George Lucas: Unreliable Narrator & Time Travelling Revisionist…’ thread.

Original Trilogy Film Crew & People Behind The Scenes: Profiles, Info & Links… (100+ creative talents in making the OT)

Some more reading…
 

• The Lucas Film Edit (aka ‘How Star Wars was saved in the edit’ video) (2017 - re Marcia Lucas, Paul Hirsch & Richard Chew)

• Do Star Wars fans have appreciation for the wrong Lucas? (2008 thread)

• 3 ways Marcia Lucas (then wife of George Lucas) saved Star Wars (2011 thread)

• Marcia Lucas Speaks! (2017 thread)

• The Academy Award winning editing of Episode IV (2006 thread)

• Star Wars Visual Effects Pioneers Highlight The Academy’s “Galactic Innovations: Star Wars & Rogue One” Event (2019 event)

• Icons Unearthed : new 6 part documentary on the Original Trilogy (on VICE) (2022; feat. Marcia Lucas interview & others BTS)

^ Caution: even discussing Marcia Lucas’ editing work on all three of the Original Trilogy films will likely trigger some George Lucas fans / zealots into anger, rage, and even threats… to say nothing of the attempted justifications and excuses on offer from them when highlighting the fact that George & Lucasfilm have tried to erase or downplay Marcia’s contributions from official Star Wars history.

5 Ways Marcia Lucas Gave Star Wars Its Heart - Nerdist

45 years ago, a last-minute Star Wars change unlocked the greatest Jedi power - Inverse

The ‘secret weapon’ behind Star Wars - News Com AU

How Good Editing Saved Star Wars - Justin Kownacki

A Brief History of Marcia Lucas’ Role in the Star Wars Universe - Film School Rejects

Behind The Scenes: The Marcia Lucas Factor - Star Wars Aficionado

Marcia Lucas discussed the problems with Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi - The Direct

“She was really the warmth and the heart of those [Original Trilogy] films, a good person he [George] could talk to, bounce ideas off of, who would tell him when he was wrong. Now he’s so exalted that no one tells him anything.” - Mark Hamill.

screams in the void said:

yeah , I thought it was vitriolic too , on a somewhat related tangent to the topic at hand, I find this conversation with Marcia Lucas and Ben Burtt in this video very interesting . Starts at the one hour mark and goes on for about 15 minutes …https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOxfmq0nCEs

Quality mate - thanks for posting that, an intriguing and informative watch. Always good to hear Marcia talk about her work on the Original Trilogy.

And also hearing Marcia talk about introducing a ‘time-clock’ to the Death Star ‘Trench Run’ attack scenes to give them more tension too.

‘For the smartest pair of hands in the galaxy’ 😉

In the wider context of the whole video - and for anyone interested… John Dykstra, Dennis Muren, John Knoll, Bill George, Harrison Ellenshaw, Bruce Nicholson, Richard Edlund and Rachel Rose also appear and give their views, recollections and insights 👍
 

A little more info on the event they were all at - the video that screams linked to above…

‘Star Wars Visual Effects Pioneers Highlight The Academy’s “Galactic Innovations: Star Wars and Rogue One” Event’:-

www.indiewire.com/2019/06/star-wars-tech-academy-1202152588 & www.wearemoviegeeks.com/2019/06/266867
 

Next level 3D printing…

more info - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfB1vI8g38w

& an article on the build here - https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-3d-printed-life-size-droideka-reddit
 

G&G-Fan said:

oojason said:

1h 48m 40s into that 2 hour video you plugged on here.

He never bashes the fan restorations though, right after RJ brings up the restorations he just goes and comments on how some fans want to take away all of Lucas’ accomplishments because they were dissatisfied with the special editions and prequels.

See SparkySywer’s replies on this - in both of his latest posts - for more or less my answer on topic too. So, yes, Nerdanymous does indeed bash fan restorations.

(and Nerdanymous seems to get quite triggered and angry about it too as he progresses with his ‘some fans’… “they want to burn him (Lucas) to the ground” & “they want to take everything away from him” spiel; whilst showing a FactRepublic image stating some of Marcia’s contributions to the film, and some of what she edited - for which she won an Oscar for).
 

G&G-Fan said:

oojason said:

De Palma? He is also on record as saying the crawl didn’t make any sense at all - ‘gibberish’ (?), kidding Lucas about the Force etc, what’s going on around here, that he didn’t understand the story, who are these people, who’s the hairy guy, etc’. “But you have to understand, we used to look at each other’s movies in order to be helpful. We might say some things that weren’t nice.” - De Palma also admits his harsh criticisms didn’t always go down well for some, yet Lucas never took offense to his remarks about the movie.

Isn’t the audio footage used by RJ from the HBO doc on Spielberg? Spielberg actually doing his De Palma impression? (it has been a long time since I watched it; I think it is - though could be wrong).

So, no… the RJ video did not lie.

He gave an impression that the rough cut was universally hated when De Palma was the only one with problems.

No, the RJ video made no such claim. What RJ actually stated was:-

“In February of 1977 George Lucas invited some of his closest friends to watch a rough cut of his new film… Star Wars. In attendance among a handful of people were were Steven Spielberg and Brian De Palma. The response was… not good. According to Spielberg this is how De Palma reacted… (inserts Spielberg’s audio of the De Palams’ reaction)”.

That is literally it - from 8 seconds in to 38 seconds in of the RJ video.

So, no… the RJ video did not lie as you claimed before.

And neither the RJ give an “impression that the rough cut was universally hated”.
 

G&G-Fan said:

oojason said:

They simply quoted Richard Chew, from ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book by Rinzler, as saying:-

“In the first five minutes we were hitting everybody with more information they could handle. There were too many storylines to keep straight: the robots and the princess, Vader, Luke. So we simplified it by taking Luke and Biggs out”.

This is quite strange… as apparently ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book by Rinzler is a trusted and “peer-written published material” for you… yet now it is a lie? Huh, interesting that.

So, no… the RJ video did not lie.

The Making of Star Wars isn’t a lie nor is that quote, and I never said it was. What happened is that RJ conveniently left out parts of that quote that come immediately before and after it that prove that it was Lucas’ decision to cut those Luke scenes, not the editors. Nerdonymous literally shows the full quotes in his video.

This is about your claims about the RJ video - and not the Nerdonymous video or ‘Making Of’ book.

The Richard Chew quote, in the context of the RJ video, says… “So we simplified it by taking Luke and Biggs out”, the ‘we’ in that quote - could be referring to anyone; as part of the group of people who worked on the film, or him and his fellow editors - including Lucas, or the people in the editing rooms at the time of decision - including Lucas, or assistant editors, and so on… It was also used in the RJ video to highlight how scenes in films get removed around in the editing process. There is no lie or deception in the context of the RJ video about this topic.

So again - on your claims of the RJ video ‘lies’… no, RocketJump did not lie.
 

As for ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book… see the end ‘by the way’ section towards the end of this post.
 

G&G-Fan said:

oojason said:

they lied about the reasons the Death Star scenes were moved later

The conference scene on board the Death Star? What exactly is your reason for claiming that RocketJump ‘lied’ to be?

Seems it simply made more sense to the story to re-arrange those scenes, yes?

If you watched the video you would know that it’s proven through The Making of Star Wars by Rinzler that the reason those scenes were rearranged was not for story purposes, it was strictly for the reason that Scorsese thought there was too much exposition in the beginning. It wasn’t because the original arrangement made no sense.

I’ve watched the Nerdanymous video - unfortunately, as well you know.

However, when you stated in the OP of this thread…

G&G-Fan said:

RocketJump’s video is a bunch of lying, bias nonsense with misdirection and misinformation across the board.

I asked you…

oojason said:

It is? How so (other than a couple of mistakes in the RJ video)? Please don’t point me to watch the Nerdonymous video - what are the lies, bias, nonsense, misdirection and misinformation you claim there to be in the RocketJump video.

Again, this is about your claims about the RJ video - and not the Nerdonymous video or ‘Making Of’ book.

Some advice, G&G-Fan… when you’re deep in a hole (like the one you started shovelling with in the OP of this thread), stop digging. 👍

By the way, you should know ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book by Rinzler that you ‘trust actual peer-written published material over others’ (paraphrasing)… also contains errors, uses Special Edition images passed off as theatrical cut images, and includes retcons inserted by George himself (as Rinzler himself later admitted).

However, nobody is seemingly going around claiming ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ to be “literally a lie”, or similarly like, either. Maybe Nerdonymous’ next video will? And you may then make a thread claiming the Rinzler book is then also “literally a lie”… though let’s not literally hold out breath on that one though, eh? 😉
 

Highlighting the ‘errors’ or ‘mistakes’ in media is good form - in a civil, factual & informative manner. There are many forms of media out there - books, docs, videos, specials, interviews, and other programs… many of which feature errors, mistakes, variances of recollections, some retcons and so on… If official releases such as Rinzler’s well researched ‘Making Of Star Wars’ books (much credit to Charles Lippincott; RIP) contains such mistakes; even after passing numerous checks, and also receives the ‘okay’ from the publishers, George, Lucasfilm & lawyers etc… then an online ‘video essay exploring how Star Wars’ editors recut and rearranged Star Wars: A New Hope to create the cinematic classic it became’ may well contain a few errors too. It happens.

As said to you previously…

oojason said:

Some of the RJ video you may disagree with, some of it may indeed be incorrect (or there are other sources / recollections by people used in that could be seen as conflicting with each other), or some of it ‘from a certain point of view’… YMMV.

ThisIsCreation said:

I would love a better poster for Rise of Skywalker.

There area few decent posters up in the Episode IX : The Rise Of Skywalker - film & fan art, + covers etc thread - some official, some alternative, or fan-made…

Rodney-2187 said:

I wanted better Rogue One posters. I’m not crazy about any of them.

The Rogue One : A Star Wars Story - film & fan art, + covers etc thread may be of interest - there are quite a few in there 😉
 

Most surreal - indeed quite creepy. Of course, they all came to life when when us kids went to sleep anyway 😉
 

Some dedicated stop-motion fan editors out there are likely gonna love this 👍 (as are shrinks and therapists!)
 

‘Great shot, kid.’

https://twitter.com/ActionMovieKid/status/1369983815670636545 - a 23 second gif, and beautifully done 👍
 

^ https://designhousestudio.co.uk/product/star-wars-poster-1977

Quite decent for an ‘unofficial’ / spoof / early fan-made poster (the poster - not the asking price 😉).

‘Strange New Worlds | Start Of Production | Paramount+’:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7ON8cDbmgw - a 1 minute video from the Paramount+ youtube channel.
 

More info here: www.startrek.com/news/breaking-star-trek-strange-new-worlds-begins-production
 

G&G-Fan said:

When did he bash fan preservations?

1h 48m 40s into that 2 hour video you plugged on here.
 

If anyone hasn’t yet seen the video - I wouldn’t bother. Yes, there are a couple of mistakes in the RJ video - though it didn’t need a 2 hour video remedy that; and nor in the abrupt, mocking and somewhat patronising manner delivered in Nerdonymous’ video. SparkySywer’s post here covers the Nerdonymous video in some detail to save you wasting two hours actually watching it.

That’s without the somewhat laughable claim made in the 2 hour video by Nerdonymous that the RJ video is somehow “simply an attempt to discredit George Lucas”.

G&G-Fan said:

oojason said:

So in summing it up… even after watching sitting through that 2-hour video linked by G&G-Fan, the RocketJump video is not “literally a lie”, or anything like it.

It is though. They lied about George editing the rough cut (he didn’t; and before you say that they never said George edited the rough cut, it’s heavily implied and it’s what I and everybody else thought upon initially seeing the video),

It may be what you thought - though please don’t claim that to speak as to what “everyone else thought upon initally the seeing the video” - this obviously is not the case here.

The RJ video simply didn’t state what you claim to be a lie - as you admit yourself.

Asserting someone is claiming something that they are not… is indeed a strawman argument. (I think I read that something akin to that somewhere recently…)

So, no… the RJ video did not lie.
 

they lied about the reactions of the people who watched the rough cut,

Spielberg? He’s on record as saying Brian De Palma “went off on George” after watching the rough cut with Lucas’ other film-making friends.

De Palma? He is also on record as saying the crawl didn’t make any sense at all - ‘gibberish’ (?), kidding Lucas about the Force etc, what’s going on around here, that he didn’t understand the story, who are these people, who’s the hairy guy, etc’. “But you have to understand, we used to look at each other’s movies in order to be helpful. We might say some things that weren’t nice.” - De Palma also admits his harsh criticisms didn’t always go down well for some, yet Lucas never took offense to his remarks about the movie.

Isn’t the audio footage used by RJ from the HBO doc on Spielberg? Spielberg actually doing his De Palma impression? (it has been a long time since I watched it; I think it is - though could be wrong).

So, no… the RJ video did not lie.
 

they lied about the editors being the ones to decide to remove the early Luke scenes,

They simply quoted Richard Chew, from ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book by Rinzler, as saying:-

“In the first five minutes we were hitting everybody with more information they could handle. There were too many storylines to keep straight: the robots and the princess, Vader, Luke. So we simplified it by taking Luke and Biggs out”.

This is quite strange… as apparently ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book by Rinzler is a trusted and “peer-written published material” for you… yet now it is a lie? Huh, interesting that.

So, no… the RJ video did not lie.
 

they lied about the reasons the Death Star scenes were moved later

The conference scene on board the Death Star? What exactly is your reason for claiming that RocketJump ‘lied’ to be?

Seems it simply made more sense to the story to re-arrange those scenes, yes?
 

and straight up lied that Marcia Lucas came up with the idea that the Death Star was going to destroy the Rebel base.

Edit: Perhaps the misconstrued what Marcia Lucas said when she talks about introducing the ‘time clock’ to the Death Star Trench Run Attack to give it more tension (as demonstrated here in this video of Marcia talking about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOxfmq0nCEs - at 1h, 07m 47s into the video)

It’d be interesting to hear what RJ’s source or basis for was for their claim - or if RJ misinterpreted it? Have they commented on it as yet (I imagine others have asked them about it)?
 

And if you want to claim that The Making of Star Wars and all of the others books written about the production of Star Wars he referenced (which were all written by people OTHER then George Lucas) are lies and there’s massive conspiracy going on, then fine, but I’m going to trust actual peer-written published material over “Dude(s) trust me”. I guess all of those scripts are lies too. But the 12 minute video that barely bothers to pull quotes, that’s the stuff!

‘peer-written published material’ - where is this material? Don’t say the ‘The Making of Star Wars’ by Rinzler; you’ve just accused Chew’s comments from that very book as being a lie told by RocketJump.

I’ve not made a claim about ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ prior to this post in the thread - nor any other books about the subject of the RJ or Nerdanonymous videos. If you’re going to plainly just make things up to try to pin false claims on others… then you should probably think again.

Hokey hyperbole, exaggeration, and false claims are no match for good blaster facts at your side.

As stated previously…

Some of the RJ video you may disagree with, some of it may indeed be incorrect (or there are other sources / recollections by people used in that could be seen as conflicting with each other), or some of it ‘from a certain point of view’… YMMV.

It still doesn’t make the RocketJump video “literally a lie”.
 

screams in the void said:

Yeah , I thank George too , I still don’t see Rocketjump bashing him anywhere in his video though .

You’re correct mate - though that hasn’t stopped a number of pro George fans saying it has - or being offended by it to the point of being vitriolic.

He, and some of the pro George Lucas fans really shouldn’t be triggered by such as a video as RJ’s - especially where in the blurb, and the video itself, clearly states it is ‘‘A video essay exploring how Star Wars’ editors recut and rearranged Star Wars: A New Hope to create the cinematic classic it became’ and is about the power of film editing in general.

(maybe he can’t get past the somewhat clickbaity title of RJ’s video)

Yet Nerdonymous for whatever reason does indeed that claim in his 2 hour video that the RJ video is “simply an attempt to discredit George Lucas”.
 

Welcome to the OT•com, SwampGuylikesPlants 👍
 

After watching the 2 hour video I am still not sure how a video (in this context) can be “Literally a Lie”. Literally…
 

G&G-Fan said:

I remember watching that video awhile ago and actually thinking it was cool and informative and it’s used all over the place to try and prove the whole “George Lucas bad” campaign.

There is a ‘George Lucas bad’ campaign? If it is indeed used by others as some sort of ‘proof’ of something… that’s not really on the people who made the video, is it? The RJ video isn’t a gospel, or claims to be ‘the definitive video on the editing of Star Wars’ etc, or anything like. I’m still not sure how Nerdonymous views the RJ video as “simply an attempt to discredit George Lucas”.
 

Then I came across this video. This really well-researched and thought out video that actually has credible sources and shows them really well… and it basically proves that RocketJump’s video is a bunch of lying, bias nonsense with misdirection and misinformation across the board.

It is? How so (other than a couple of mistakes in the RJ video)? Please don’t point me to watch the Nerdonymous video - what are the lies, bias, nonsense, misdirection and misinformation you claim there to be in the RocketJump video.
 

So uh, yeah… Goerge Lucas didn’t suck and it wasn’t the editors that created Star Wars.

Sorry.

Did the RocketJump video state that ‘Lucas did suck’? And that it was ‘the editors that created Star Wars’? Huh… I’ll have to give the RocketJump video another watch. I did re-watch it, and no, they didn’t say anything of the sort.

They did indeed explain how ‘Star Wars editors recut and rearranged Star Wars: A New Hope to create the cinematic classic it became’.

Some of the RJ video you may disagree with, some of it may indeed be incorrect (or there are other sources / recollections by people used in that could be seen as conflicting with each other), or some of it ‘from a certain point of view’… YMMV.

Yet there really isn’t a need for the type of hyperbole or attitude used in in your OP - which, to be honest, reads like a an advert for a 2 hour video designed to deconstruct the RJ video / profit on the back of the popularity of the RJ video… that some ‘pro-George Lucas’ fans obviously and vocally don’t much like - which is ironic as the RocketJump video doesn’t actually criticise George Lucas (Special Editions / further tinkerings apart).

As it literally says in ‘summing up’ of the RocketJump video - “I think George’s ‘ace in the hole’ was that he surrounded himself with an incredible team of people to work with, and listening and collaborating with them to help refine his incredible vision.”
 

The 2 hour video guy could have easily made his own ‘How Star Wars was made in the Edit’ video as an alternative - whilst also pointing out differences or conflicts (or any mistakes) with the RJ video… instead he attempts to simply deconstruct it - in an abrupt, mocking and somewhat patronising manner - whilst taking much of the RJ video out of context or making strawman-type arguments.

So in summing it up… even after watching sitting through that 2-hour video linked by G&G-Fan, the RocketJump video is not “literally a lie”, or anything like it.

If anyone is looking for a quality read on how Star Wars was written, evolved, and was made… then ‘The Secret History Of Star Wars’ book by Michael Kaminski, is well worth it.

Or watch the three Original Trilogy ‘Filmumentaries’ by Jamie Benning.
 

Mocata said:

Jeez why are all the pro-Lucas and pro-prequel videos like 2 hours long or more

Ad revenue for some, maybe? Catering to ‘the algorithm’?

Though Sparky is probably onto something too.
 

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6’5.
 

For information…

RocketJump’s ‘How Star Wars was saved in the edit’ video can be seen here:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk - an 18 minute long video, from the erm… Rocketjump youtube channel.
 

The blurb for the video: ‘‘A video essay exploring how Star Wars’ editors recut and rearranged Star Wars: A New Hope to create the cinematic classic it became.’
 

I haven’t seen the 2 hour long video linked in the OP by G&G-Fan - though I am not sure how a video (in this context) can be “Literally a Lie”. Literally… 😉