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Post: #1260475
Topic: Random Pictures and Gifs (now with winning!) [NSFW]
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1260475/action/topic#1260475
Time: 19-Dec-2018 6:46 AM — Edited 20-Dec-2018 7:56 AM

ps - do not litter on the beach, nice one.

Post: #1260473
Topic: Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD *
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1260473/action/topic#1260473
Time: 19-Dec-2018 6:16 AM

Shopping Maul said:

rodneyfaile said:

CRITICAL OPINION: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK‘S ORIGINAL REVIEWS
JANUARY 23, 2014

https://www.starwars.com/news/critical-opinion-the-empire-strikes-back-original-reviews

There’s some really interesting reading here - but I don’t see how this remotely resembles the reaction to TLJ. The critics cited in this article are basically writing off TESB - and Star Wars as an entity - as childish nonsense. That’s just typical movie-critic snobbery. The fans for the most part wouldn’t have given a damn, and the kids buying action figures in droves would’ve been equally oblivious.

On the other hand the critics loved TLJ. It’s the fans that don’t like it, and this is for reasons of tone and canon and story and so forth. It’s not the same thing at all IMO.

yotsuya said:

Wait for IX to come out. Absorb it. Watch the ST in its complete form and see how TLJ fits and then give us a more reasoned opinion. I bet some will change their mind as many of us did about TESB in the years since it came out.

yotsuya seemed to be saying that some people’s opinions may change or evolve on TLJ when the Sequel Trilogy is complete - and viewed in a different context to what it is now - in a Trilogy only two-thirds finished.

He didn’t seem to be comparing the levels of criticism to both Empire and TLJ - just that some people’s opinions may have changed after Jedi was released and time was taken to reevaluate the Original Trilogy as a whole.

Seems reasonable, that.

rodneyfaile just helpfully posted some additional reviews on Empire he found - doesn’t seem either he or yotsuya were comparing the differences between fan reviews and those of ‘professional’ film critics either.

Post: #1260446
Topic: [fill in the blank] Just Died!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1260446/action/topic#1260446
Time: 18-Dec-2018 6:26 PM

‘Penny Marshall, film director and star of Laverne and Shirley, dies aged 75’…

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/dec/18/penny-marshall-dead-film-director-tv-star

Post: #1260431
Topic: Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD *
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1260431/action/topic#1260431
Time: 18-Dec-2018 4:07 PM — Edited 18-Dec-2018 5:55 PM

yotsuya said:

Ah… I finally found something with meat to it. Rather than just recollections, this article did research and pulled up actual fan reactions from TESB in 1980. Sure, today it is the gold standard of Star Wars for many, but what did people think when it was the dark sequel to an insanely popular movie. Well, fan letters published in Starlog reveal a lot of that.

http://www.acriticalhit.com/fans-react-empire-strikes-back-1980/

Reading this I can imagagine if modern social media had existed back then. I still remember my reaction. For the longest time TESB was the movie to watch between the amazing Star Wars and the incredible ROTJ. It was the Star TRek III to II and IV - the middle of a great story. Eventually I came around. But I see that same genius in TLJ. The characters are put through the ringer and come out the other side wiser for the experience. They handed TLJ to a good character writer who took where they started in TFA and carried on the story. It was written before we ever saw TFA. Before fans built up expectations. Lucas always waited until after one film came out to write the next, but the have been on a faster schedule and so TLJ was written when TFA was still in production and a few things about TFA were changed. And the more I look at the presented issues, the more I realize that all the big issues are not with TLJ, but with the setup in TFA that TLJ delivers on what was promised. Han gave us the concise narrative of Luke in TFA and TLJ didn’t deviate at all. This trilogy is driven by the fall of Ben Solo and the rise of Kylo Ren. Luke in exile, Leia and Han at odds and back to their old roles, everything was setup by Abrams in TFA.

When you think about May 1980, fans didn’t know what to expect. The had the novel and movie of Star Wars (with the published script to keep the movie fresh in lieu of home video). But in 1979, the got three new Star Wars novels as well as the Marvel comic that kept the story going. What came out in May 1980 was nothing like any of those. Irvin Kershner directed his typical people driven story with a script by the legendary Leigh Bracket with changes by Lawrence Kasdan and the original story by George Lucas. It took he wave of success that Star Wars ended with and dumped the characters into turmoil that didn’t end with the end credits. Many didn’t like the direction. Many didn’t believe that Vader was really Luke’s father. And who was this other Yoda spoke of? It was not the film people expected and they griped about it. There really wasn’t a platform for that voice to drown out the box office results. But it was there. And now we have the ST continuing the story and TLJ is the middle chapter and took a similar character based approach and also ended on a dark note. Though this time a beloved character wasn’t just in carbonite, he was dead. Well, as dead as a Jedi gets in Star Wars since he is expected to be back in the next film. And there were more characters to follow (TLJ has three stories instead of two). But the parallel in reaction is fascinating. And we have one of our own who never took to TESB, at least from what I hear. Mike Verta is a fan of Star Wars - as in the 1977 film only. I’m sure he isn’t alone. But most of us who watched the films when they came out have had our opinions change over time and I’m sure that will happen to TLJ as well. I personally love it and wouldn’t change anything. I don’t expect everyone to share that opinion, but saying TLJ ruined the saga, that is subverted expectations, that it threw out Abrams mystery boxes, etc. is just the initial reaction. Wait for IX to come out. Absorb it. Watch the ST in its complete form and see how TLJ fits and then give us a more reasoned opinion. I bet some will change their mind as many of us did about TESB in the years since it came out.

Really enjoying reading the linked article - nice one, yotsuya.

Kind of intriguing to some parallels two-thirds into this trilogy in the context of comparing it to two-thirds through the OT…

You make some salient points re this Sequel Trilogy not yet being finished - it hasn’t yet been absorbed and thought over, reevaluated - the time taken to go over it’s form as a whole as we have done with the previous trilogies… it’ll possibly be even quite some time after the release of IX that many of us will look at the films that made up this particular trilogy in such a way.

Bring on IX 😃

Will be certainly interesting to come back to this thread in a couple of years or so. Of course, this trilogy - and IX - has the added weight of likely being the final chapter (for some time, anyway) of the main Star Wars saga too…

Post: #1260415
Topic: The Random Star Wars Pics & GIFs Thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1260415/action/topic#1260415
Time: 18-Dec-2018 1:44 PM

^ Does look a pretty sweet Tie Fighter that, too 😃

I remember getting the battle-damage stickers along with the Palitoy X-Wing as a kid - difficult choices back then as a kid - to use them or not…

Someone’s cool uncle on reddit made his nephew this…

Post: #1260386
Topic: The Random Star Wars Pics & GIFs Thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1260386/action/topic#1260386
Time: 18-Dec-2018 8:16 AM

^ toy section from catalogue (Argos?) in 1985…

a lot more non-Star Wars toys and games from the same catalogue here - https://imgur.com/gallery/YLkDDpd

Post: #1260385
Topic: Random Pictures and Gifs (now with winning!) [NSFW]
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1260385/action/topic#1260385
Time: 18-Dec-2018 7:24 AM — Edited 18-Dec-2018 7:24 AM

Post: #1260384
Topic: Share your good news!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1260384/action/topic#1260384
Time: 18-Dec-2018 6:55 AM

Well in the pair of you 😃

Post: #1260219
Topic: Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD *
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1260219/action/topic#1260219
Time: 17-Dec-2018 12:17 PM — Edited 17-Dec-2018 12:19 PM

pleasehello said:

DrDre said:

I would agree with the self-reliant part, but I would not say that she’s all that confident, or believes in herself. She searching for an identity, and freely admits she doesn’t understand what’s happening to her. Her running off to save Kylo from Snoke is as brash and reckless as Luke’s attempt to save his friends from Vader’s clutches in TESB, only somehow Luke ends up hanging upside down below a city in the clouds minus one limb praying to be saved, while Rey conveniently escapes in Snoke’s shuttle, and arrives in time to save her friends with an awesome display of the Force.

This is one of my biggest problems with the sequel trilogy. It’s not necessarily Rey’s quick grasp of Jedi techniques or that she’s overpowered. It’s that she (the main protagonist of the movies) is never, ever, ever in trouble. She’s never in a situation in which she needs the help of her friends.

Never, ever, ever in trouble? 😉

For TFA, until she ‘let in the Force’ during the saber battle with Kylo it looked like she was lost… Nor did it look great during the interrogation scene with Kylo before that (as well as being somewhat easily captured by him in the forest - being frozen mid-air).

The Throne Room with Snoke in TLJ - completely out of her depth and about to be easily killed until Kylo turns against his master, and seemed to me she was in trouble vs the many Guards until she teamed up with Kylo against them. She required Luke’s help to teach her what the Force was actually about, prior to this.

Post: #1260208
Topic: Neo-80s Electronica
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1260208/action/topic#1260208
Time: 17-Dec-2018 10:34 AM — Edited 19-Dec-2018 1:07 PM

A few more retro-80’s tunes - rolling up the sleeves of your suit and adjusting those shoulder pads - with FM-84 (fm84.com)…

‘Never Stop’ (feat. Ollie Wride) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35YpV77tGm0

‘Running In The Night’ (feat. Ollie Wride) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvZskcqdYcE

‘Don’t Want To Change Your Mind’ (feat. Ollie Wride)’ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsXxoBuF7Do

with some ‘Magic’ from FM Attack, featuring Kristine - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC8uM7LKS6s

and also Timecop1983, with ‘Come Back’ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNwX1UbVUnU

Post: #1260195
Topic: LEGO Star Wars: All-Stars - a general discussion thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1260195/action/topic#1260195
Time: 17-Dec-2018 7:12 AM — Edited 29-Dec-2020 8:41 PM

They certainly seem to be working hard on introducing Star Wars to a new generation of younger fans (and us oldies who are still young at heart 😉)

Will give this a go - the Lego features usually have a nod and a wink for us older fans in amongst the content too, which is a nice touch - plus can be quite funny at times as well…

Official Website : Wookieepedia Page : IMDB Page : Wikipedia Page

Post: #1260149
Topic: Quality Art and Artistic Photos (Pic Heavy) (NSFW)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1260149/action/topic#1260149
Time: 16-Dec-2018 6:50 PM — Edited 16-Dec-2018 6:54 PM

‘Best photos of 2018’…

National Geographic’s 100 best images of the year—curated from 107 photographers, 119 stories, and more than two million photographs.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/best-of-2018/best-pictures-2018/

Post: #1260147
Topic: Random Pictures and Gifs (now with winning!) [NSFW]
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1260147/action/topic#1260147
Time: 16-Dec-2018 6:26 PM

Post: #1260046
Topic: A Muppet Family Christmas – 1987 Broadcast Reconstruction (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1260046/action/topic#1260046
Time: 16-Dec-2018 7:43 AM

Muppets at Christmas? I’m looking forward to that - nice one 😃

The more Muppet projects the better ❤️

Post: #1259975
Topic: Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD *
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1259975/action/topic#1259975
Time: 15-Dec-2018 12:53 PM

‘One Year Later - Star Wars: The Last Jedi’ - by HelloGreedo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTVVSF8CNW8

Post: #1259947
Topic: Random Pictures and Gifs (now with winning!) [NSFW]
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1259947/action/topic#1259947
Time: 15-Dec-2018 5:41 AM

Huh - same here ^

Post: #1259946
Topic: Star Wars Books. Good Recommendations?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1259946/action/topic#1259946
Time: 15-Dec-2018 5:15 AM — Edited 15-Dec-2018 6:05 AM

Cheers man, I think I’ll give it a miss if it’s going with the revisionism and 1977/1980/1983 = 1997 angle, as well as being a book of that expense - with such a misleading title too.

(Though will pop into the local bookshop and have a look through at the images 😉)

Post: #1259900
Topic: Star Wars Books. Good Recommendations?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1259900/action/topic#1259900
Time: 14-Dec-2018 5:06 PM — Edited 14-Dec-2018 5:07 PM

The new ‘Star Wars Archives: 1977-1983’ book has me somewhat intrigued… though not at £120 (around $150 US)

The offal write-up - https://www.starwars.com/news/the-star-wars-archives

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Wars-Archives-1977-1983/dp/3836563401/

Has anyone parted with their hard-earned for this - what did you think of it?

Post: #1259877
Topic: STAR WARS: GALAXY OF ADVENTURES (animated shorts) - a general discussion thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1259877/action/topic#1259877
Time: 14-Dec-2018 12:45 PM — Edited 12-Apr-2019 8:05 PM