lakamosque said:
oojason said:
So without Marcia introducing that ‘time-element’ - ‘a countdown clock’ - the ‘Death Star wasn’t about to destroy the Rebel Base’… this is what RocketJump alludes to, no?
The time clock came later in the editing to prop up the tension however the story point for the Death Star intending to destroy the Rebel Base was always there.
I don’t and didn’t dispute that. Read what I posted above again.
It’s hilarious how RJ credits almost everything to Marcia. The intercutting? Marcia. The time clock? Marcia. Removing Luke’s first run? Marcia.
To which each point, it actually goes:
The intercutting? Richard.
The time clock? Unknown, but wouldn’t surprise me if it was Richard yet again.
Removing Luke’s first run? Unknown.
Well, Marcia did recut the whole ‘Trench Run’ - as requested by George. You already know this - it is clearly stated in the video interview with Marcia and Ben Burtt, yes?
^ the ‘time clock’ - Marcia. Removing Luke’s first run - Marcia.
And yet so what if it did highlight Marcia’s contributions, or Richard Chew, or Paul Hirsch - or all 3 of them. Why not? It doesn’t take away from George - nor attacks or discredits him - it simply highlights the effect good and clever editing can have upon a film.
That would be fine IF it was true, but it isn’t.
And if it was about the editors, how come they never mention John Jympson? It gives the impression George made the first cut, called the British cut in Rinzler’s book, implying all the poor editing choices were on him instead of John. George never intended the movie to be like that cut. They intentionally mix all the cuts together.
As clearly stated in the blurb of the RocketJump video:-
‘A video essay exploring how Star Wars’ editors recut and rearranged Star Wars: A New Hope to create the cinematic classic it became’
As you even say yourself… ‘George never intended the movie to be like that’ (John Jympson’s cut). Hence JJ was fired / let go - and other editors given the task of re-cutting the film… the main focus of the RocketJump video; that editing team.
It was after George fan-boys & zealots watched that vitriolic Nerdonymous video did they seemed to be triggered into somehow thinking what you claim above.
I’ve always disagreed with George on so many different topics including not releasing the original cut on home video. I watched RJ’s video first, I couldn’t put it in words but I could tell something was off about it. I didn’t watch Nerdonymous’s video until much later and since then I’ve been cross-referencing to check how accurate all these videos that talk about the behind the scenes really are.
How have you have found cross-referencing the video interviews with Marica Lucas in the links provided? Where Marcia herself confirms what you still claim otherwise above? (in your ‘It’s hilarious how RJ credits almost everything to Marcia’ segment.)
^ Nerdonymous seems to get quite triggered and angry about it too… the agenda seething through… as he progresses with his “some fans”… “they want to burn him (Lucas) to the ground” & “they want to take everything away from him” spiel; whilst showing a FactRepublic image stating some of Marcia’s contributions to the film, and some of what she edited - for which she won an Oscar for (along with Hirsch and Chew).
First of all, Nerdonymous’s full quote for proper context:
“Some fans who don’t like what Lucas did with the Special Editions and or don’t like what he did with the Prequels aren’t satisfied with criticizing him on these bases. They want to burn him to the ground, they want to take everything away from him. Because they believe they did something unseemly to their childhood or something. That is why Star Wars was saved in the edit as opposed to it just went through the normal editing process that all films go to through.”
Second, I’ve never got the impression this meant he is “anti-fan preservation”. It’s crystal clear “everything” in this context means George’s contributions because that’s what the whole subject of the video is about.
Watch the video again and note what is on in the background when he gives the “some fans”… “they want to burn him (Lucas) to the ground” & “they want to take everything away from him” spiel. It is clear for all to see - much more than an ‘impression’ - with his agenda seething through.
So when you try to claim: “It just makes everyone that wants to see the theatrical versions look bad.” - is that an attempt at gaslighting? (I hope not). If it is, kindly knock it off.
That’s a textbook example of accusing others of what YOU are guilty off, especially with the weak excuses provided.
It was a question - with a heads-up that if you were gaslighting, that it doesn’t go down well on here. Interesting you didn’t deny that - and instead accuse someone with a different view of doing the same.
You may want to think about wising up there - doing something a little more constructive other than being an apologist for a vitriolic youtuber… who has issues with fan preservations.
Look in a mirror, you’re being an apologist for deceptive fans or, in this case, a pretend film school. And for the last part, either provide proof this is the case or knock it off.
Nope. I provided proof with content from Marcia herself - which you ignored (despite claims of crosschecking)… and you are still attempting a lengthy defence of Nerdonamous’ vitriolic video.
On here, we acknowledge and highlight the many contributions of everyone who worked on the Original Trilogy films - especially those who have been written out of the official history, or have had their roles downplayed, or diminished.
And when were Marcia or Paul or Richard written out of the official history? Rinzler’s book wouldn’t exist otherwise. If that somehow is not “good enough” in Marcia’s case, he interviewed her in his Howard Kazanjian book.
When you say “And when were Marcia written out of the official history?” (I didn’t say Hirsch or Chew were) - I’m not sure how you can say with a straight face after you read / ‘cross-referenced’ the listed links to Marcia’s contributions. It has been there for all to see - and has been for many years. Including not only others at Lucasfilm stating just that - yet also Marcia herself, yes?
You are aware a few others have also been written out of the official history, too? As previously stated… there some content about that on here - well worth a read.
Just because it makes some get so triggered to the point of fuming, here’s yet another video that goes much more in depth dispelling the Marcia and/or the editors “saved” the movie narrative:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LsxGGjyZ_Q
No, thanks. I’d rather not watch another Honeycutt video, thank you.
I tend to stick with more factual and insightful videos - from actual people involved in the process. I leave the vitriolic / clickbait / agenda videos to those that enjoy them.
Or a good book - ‘The Secret History Of Star Wars’ - now there’s a good book (an audio version is available, too).
If you’re going to attack George, do it for the things he ACTUALLY did. Like his handling of David Prowse, insisting the saga was “always” about the tragedy of Darth Vader when for a time there was material, like the first editions of the books, that officially called it “From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker” and/or the old reliable “Greedo shoots”. Don’t make up false narratives or straight up lie in how much he was involved in his films just to dunk on him.
Again, talking about the editing team on Star Wars does not detract from George - nor is it ‘an attack’ on George…
“I think George’s ‘ace in the hole’ was that he surrounded himself with an incredible team of people to work with, and listening and collaborating with them to help refine his incredible vision.”
^ RocketJump in the summing up their video.
Once more, the reason why they don’t talk about George’s shortcomings and issues is… that is not what this video is about…
‘A video essay exploring how Star Wars’ editors recut and rearranged Star Wars: A New Hope to create the cinematic classic it became’
Look, your mind is obviously made up… so I won’t waste time any further confusing you any further with facts (from Marcia herself).
If you don’t want to view or acknowledge them - that is up to you, of course. Yet those facts don’t cease to be because you simply ignore them - or your issues with ‘Marcia Marcia Marcia’… as you yourself put it.
Having said that, why not go watch that Honeycutt video you like to recommend again? Or nerdonymous’ video again? Maybe it’ll help with the Marcia issues a bit - or at least put a smile on your face. Good luck with it. 👍
