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Barcelona are set to take on Real Madrid

highlights here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLzB8CAQ-4A

 

Mod Edit: Some other football / soccer threads on OriginalTrilogy•com…

2018 World Cup thread - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/a-World-Cup-2018-thread/id/57942
2014 World Cup thread - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/World-Cup-2014-discussion/id/16751
2010 World Cup thread - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Fifa-World-Cup-2010/id/11606/page/1
2006 World Cup thread - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/id/5580
UEFA Euro 2012 - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/UEFA-Euro-2012/id/14319
UEFA Euro 2008 - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Euro-2008/id/9423/page/1

‘Soccer’ - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Soccer/id/57009/page/1
‘Milan beat Liverpool in Champions League Final 2007’ - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Milan-beat-Liverpool-in-Champions-league-final/id/8036

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yhwx said:

This is the thread for what Americans and Canadians call soccer and what foreigners call football. While this thread uses the American name, people from all countries are allowed to post here.

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Was a fascinating and superb match to watch - the first 20 minutes were great, and I couldn't see Barca getting back into it when they went down to 10 men - but fair play to them, they pulled it back.

3-3 with Messi completing his hat-trick in injury time - not bad for a 19 year old. lol



The commentators reckoned E'too was not best pleased about being subbed and at half time - it seems for club stability alone that he may leave at the end of the season... as a Liverpool fan I wouldn't mind seeing him playing for us
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With the way Wegner's been managing I'm surprised Arsenal are now third in the table with Liverpool creeping up behind them.
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a bad patch going out of so many competitions in a short space of time for the Arsenal - and although thier style of football can often be a joy to watch, the other side of the coin of their sportsmanship and attitude let's them down big time.
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Man United 2 Rovers 1

Arsenal 0 Liverpool 1

Chelsea 2 Watford 0

Spurs 1 Reading 1

I think Man United could win this years UEFA Champion's league
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Some nice forecasting of results there (althuogh I hope your last prediction of Man U winning the CL is wrong


Some troubling and disturbing scenes in the European football this week - hopefully it's a blip and won't be repeated anytime soon.



Predictions for tomorrow:-

Arsenal v West Ham : 2-1 to the Arse

Chelsea v Spurs : 3-1 to the classless Chelsea

Portsmouth v Man U : 1-1 draw

Reading v Liverpool : 0-2 to the 'Pool


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oojason I couldn't help noticing your sig about the hillsborough crisis. Last Saturday was the 18th anniversary for the 96 reds
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Just wanted to recap this scoreline cause its still not hitting home with me.

UCL Semi Final 10/4/07

Manchester United 7 AS Roma 1 (Agg 8:3)

Premier football is dominating europe once again. Hoorah.

Even if AC Milan did make the final they will have to beat a top premiership side to lift the cup now. Although a ManUtd vs LFC final would be a dream climax to the season.
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Originally posted by Scout trooper…

‘oojason - I couldn’t help noticing your sig about the hillsborough crisis. Last Saturday was the 18th anniversary for the 96 reds’

 

A memorial service was held at Anfield - home ground of Liverpool Football Club on Sunday. http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/archivedirs/news/2007/apr/16/N155617070416-1035.htm

On a slight tangent here is an update from a mother whose son dies at the Hillsborough Disaster - and has been trying t ofind out the key facts of the events surrounding his death (and 95 others) since:-

"Dear All,

It has been 18 years since 96 people, including my lovely son Kevin, sadly lost their lives at the Hillsborough football disaster and still the fight for justice continues. At the inquests, the Coroner imposed a 3.15 pm cut off time stating that all 96 would have been dead or brain dead by that time, so no evidence was heard after that time when Hillsborough was at its worst.

Over the years I have tracked down everybody who helped Kevin that day and to my horror found out that Kevin was not dead by 3.15pm. He died at 4pm in the arms of a police lady calling for his MUM. When the pathologist explained Kevin’s injuries to the jury, he told them that Kevin was the worst of all the 96. I was horrified as I had said goodbye to Kevin and he looked lovely. He just looked asleep; there were no facial markings on him. I consulted a forensic pathologist who told me Kevin did not die from traumatic asphyxia and would not have been dead or brain dead by 3.15pm. Kevin would have been able to speak the word ‘MUM’ and he would have survived up till 4pm that day when he died in the arms of the police lady. Kevin could have been saved - all he needed was oxygen.

Kevin did not fit into the 3.15pm cut off time so witness statements were changed. I was told lies about my son’s injuries. I then decided to take the system on. I cannot live with all the lies just to protect their own, what I cannot come to terms with is the way the families of the dead and the survivors have been treated.

Myself and five other families went for a judicial review in 1993 opposing the 3.15pm cut off time for the 96, but we were not successful. My numerous submissions to the Attorney General asking him to give me a new inquest into the death of my son Kevin have been refused.

Roger Cook presented Kevin’s case in a documentary and helped me uncover more of the Hillsborough cover up, including witnesses that had never been called to give evidence either at the Taylor inquiry or the inquests. These witnesses would have been able to tell the jury at the inquests that people were still alive at the 3.15pm cut off point. Tony Edwards, an ambulance man who the police said was never at Hillsborough, was able to tell me how the police cordoned him off at 3.37pm that day when he had orders to go straight to Lapping Lane as there were fatalities. Tony moved through the cordon and went straight to the goal at Lapping Lane. There were 42 ambulances behind him and they did not follow. People were alive and dying at this time. Tony was horrified, he told the fans to take their friends down to the Penn stone end of the ground, as there were ambulances to help their friends.

Myself and the families of the 96 were always led to believe that they could not get ambulances on the ground due to ramps but Tony tells a different tale. The West Midland police had changed the police lady’s statement and suppressed evidence at Kevin’s inquest. When I submitted the new evidence to the Attorney General, I was again refused. The barristers who had waivered their fees many times have always told me that if Kevin gets his inquest then it will open the floodgates.

The new Labour government promised the Hillsborough families a scrutiny into the events of that day. We were told we could submit any new evidence to Judge Stuart Smith and he would send it to the relevant department. Yet again, the families were stitched up and given no answers. The evidence was just twisted and turned. We had reached the end of the road legally, with nowhere to go.

I decided to write a book to let people know what extremes the system would go to cover up their own mistakes and protect the people who were to blame for Hillsborough. This was my justice; I had not failed my son, though the system had. The truth of what they did to Kevin and the other 95 who died with him will always be there.

Then my solicitor contacted me to tell me about the new European ruling ‘The Right to Life’ which related to Kevin’s case. This is what my solicitor, my barrister and I have been pursuing for the past 4 years. Our first move was to submit all the evidence in this country to give them another chance to give us justice; but again the system failed.

On the 12th August this year I submitted all the evidence to the European court of Human Rights under Section 2 of the Human Rights Act, The Right to Life. Kevin died in the hands of the state and is entitled to a thorough investigation into how he died. As the next of kin, I have the right to a full investigation into how my son died, these rights have been repeatedly denied due to the 3.15pm cut off time.

Europe is the last chance for any sort of justice, I have heard from the courts and they are now looking at Kevin’s case. I have sent all the evidence that I have uncovered over the years, evidence from some of the highest forensic pathologists suggesting that Kevin would not have died by 3.15pm and would be alive today if oxygen had been supplied. I have sent evidence that West Midland Police interfered with witness statements and suppressed vital evidence. I tracked all the Liverpool fans that carried Kevin that day, I just hope that Europe will now give us justice.

Anne Williams"

^ After 18 years of police lies; missing, suppressed and changed evidence; cover-ups; broken promises from politicians; the lies of the UK gutter press; Justice may just get a chance in the European Courts. Good luck to Anne.

 

 

Edit: Anne died of cancer at the age of 62 on 18 April 2013.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/apr/18/hillsborough-campaigner-anne-williams-dies1

"Anne Williams, who has died at the age of 62, suffered the loss of her beloved 15-year-old son Kevin in the Hillsborough disaster of 1989, then dedicated her life to challenging flawed medical evidence accepted at the inquest, and its verdict of accidental death.

A mother of three from Formby, who worked part time in a newsagents, she tracked down witnesses, obtained medical opinions about Kevin’s death from some of England’s most eminent doctors and levelled repeated legal attacks at the Hillsborough inquest.

With other families of the 96 people who died at Hillsborough, the worst stadium-related disaster in British history, she was refused a judicial review of the coroner’s rulings in 1993, then had three applications to the attorney general turned down. In 2009 an application to the European court of human rights was rejected as out of time.

But finally, on 12 September last year, Williams lived to see the truth about the disaster fully established, with the report of the Hillsborough independent panel, chaired by James Jones, the bishop of Liverpool. It confirmed the facts she had known all along and refused to see denied.

The Sheffield coroner, Dr Stefan Popper, had ruled that all the victims had received irreversible crush injuries and were dead or could not have been revived by 3.15pm on the day of the disaster. The ruling meant that no evidence was heard about the chaotic and failed emergency response by South Yorkshire police and ambulance service to the suffering of so many people.

The panel’s report, so many years later, established incontrovertibly that the medical evidence was wrong, that many of the victims were alive after 3.15pm and that, with a decent medical response, up to 58 might have been saved. Asked by the Guardian then if she would be seeking the painful truth about whether Kevin was one of the 58, Williams replied: “I have known for all these years that the inquest evidence was wrong and Kevin could have been saved, so I don’t need to ask.”

Yet after that 12 September vindication of her 23-year fight, with almost unbelievably cruel timing, Williams was diagnosed with terminal cancer. She always said she would never give up campaigning for justice and had told friends that, once that fight was won, as she always believed it would be, she had “promised herself a bit of a life again.”

Williams had two other children, Michael and Sara, and three grandchildren, and knew how much the disaster affected the siblings and wider family. She went to live in a hospice before moving in with her brother, Danny, and his wife Sandra, for whose care she told friends she was very grateful.

She lived long enough to savour the day the inquest was quashed, in a damning judgment of the high court on 19 December, including the ruling that the 3.15pm cut-off was “not sustainable”. Stricken by the cancer, pale and frail, Williams was determined to be at the Strand, where she arrived at the court in a wheelchair, accompanied by Danny.

Afterwards, speaking softly from the wheelchair on the street outside, Williams told the Guardian: “This is what I fought for. I was never going to give up.”

She always rejected the inquest’s 3.15pm evidence “cut-off” because she discovered that Kevin had died in the arms of a special police constable, Debra Martin, at 4pm. Martin had testified that Kevin had a pulse and that, just before he died, breathed a final word: “Mum”.

Martin’s statement, and that of another witness, off-duty police officer Derek Bruder, were later changed following visits from the West Midlands police, the investigating force into Hillsborough, to suggest there were no signs of life after 3.15pm. Martin has since claimed she was pressured to change her statement, Bruder officially complained that his evidence was not presented properly to the inquest.

Williams sought medical opinions about how Kevin died from some of the country’s most senior experts, including Dr Iain West, consultant forensic pathologist at Guy’s hospital. West contested the inquest finding that Kevin had died from traumatic asphyxia, arguing that he died from neck injuries and could have been treated and possibly saved. Yet Williams could find no court prepared to accept her appeal or that any of the evidence in that inquest was faulty.

It has finally been accepted, following the panel’s report, that the portrayal of the Hillsborough families and campaigners as whingeing scousers was a misrepresentation almost as foul as the stories that South Yorkshire police peddled to shift the blame on to the supporters. Williams and the other families fought with remarkable implacability and unity that police campaign, the flawed inquest and other legal processes that left not one person or organisation accountable for 96 people dying at a football match.

It is now accepted that the families fought this battle, with no glimpse of vindication for so long, only out of love for their relatives. So, at the end of her life, Williams, with other Hillsborough families, was recognised not as part of some Liverpool rabble but as a shining example: an everyday person embodying the extraordinary power and depth of human love.

At Monday’s memorial service to mark 24 years since the disaster, the Everton football club chairman, Bill Kenwright, said the two greatest words in the English language were “my mum”. He paid tribute to the families’ fight, and to the solidarity with which the people of Liverpool supported it, saying: “They picked on the wrong city – and they picked on the wrong mums.”

Williams had defied medical advice to attend, and watched quietly from her wheelchair. Three days later, she died. She was proved right by the end of a life’s mission, and greatly and widely admired. Like her son Kevin, for whose good name and memory she fought so indomitably, she will be deeply missed."

 

 

 

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back on the football...

it should be interesting to see how Chelsea and Man Utd shape up in the final few weeks as they battle for the Premiership title, FA Cup and Champs Lge - will tiredness/suspensions/ injuries hit them hard? Will Liverpool and Milan face each other again in a repeat of the memorable '05 Final? I certainly hope so

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crunch time tonight and tomorrow...

Liverpool are at home to Chelsea in the 2nd leg of the CL semi-final - the 1st leg finished 1-0 to Chelsea.

On Wednesday Man Utd are away to AC Milan - the 1st leg finished 3-2 to Man Utd, though those 2 away goals for Milan may well come into play...


hopefully both will be exciting matches



top sig ScoutTrooper hope we do it tonight - couldn't sleep last night with all the excitement, nerves et all. C'mon the RedMen.


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Milan vs Arsenal

Barca vs Celtic

Man U vs Lyon

Inter vs Liverpool

Sevilla vs fernabache

R. Madrid vs Roma
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I’m shocked that there wasn’t a single soccer thread other than World Cup stuff.

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yhwx said:

This is the thread for what Americans and Canadians call soccer and what foreigners call football. While this thread uses the American name, people from all countries are allowed to post here.

You mean the sport which near-on everywhere else on the planet calls football? 😃
 

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I’m shocked that there wasn’t a single soccer thread other than World Cup stuff.

Me too…

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/UEFA-Premiership/id/7627
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Milan-beat-Liverpool-in-Champions-league-final/id/8036

(I think there’s also been a few footy discussions in various other threads too - ie, the Beautiful Women thread)

😉

 

Just so the World Cup threads can be more easily found…

2018 World Cup thread - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/a-World-Cup-2018-thread/id/57942
2014 World Cup thread - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/World-Cup-2014-discussion/id/16751
2010 World Cup thread - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Fifa-World-Cup-2010/id/11606/page/1
2006 World Cup thread - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/id/5580

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yhwx said:

This is the thread for what Americans and Canadians call soccer and what foreigners call football. While this thread uses the American name, people from all countries are allowed to post here.

Well, this is insensitive. To them, we’re the foreigners. How dare you be so ethnocentric! I’ll have to kick your balls for that!

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If this were American football, you would have threatened me with a concussion.

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‘Chapecoense plane crash: How the club is still defying the odds one year on’…

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42137506

 

Chapecoense will likely finish somewhere between 9th and 13th in the 20-team Brazil Serie A - with 1 league match remaining.

It’s a fantastic sporting achievement against the background of such loss and emotion - and will hopefully give some small solace or aid to the local community and those affected by the events of one year ago.

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A bit of a bump this - though it has been a long time… yet tonight the mighty Reds triumphed vs the much fancied Manchester City to reach the semi-finals of the Champions League - winning 5-1 on aggregate 😄

highlights - http://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/2018/04/10/manchester-city-vs-liverpool-highlights-full-match-video/
 

Well in the RedMen 😃

 

Roma are also through to the CL Semi-Finals - after beating Barcelona tonight 3-0 (going through on away goals after finishing 4-4 on aggregate).
 

Wednesday evening sees the other Quarter-Finals being played…

Bayern Munich vs Sevilla (2-1 to Bayern in the 1st leg)
Real Madrid vs Juventus (3-0 to Real in the 1st leg)
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017–18_UEFA_Champions_League
 

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I misread the title to be about ufos if anybody was curious

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Did anyone watch Real vs Juventus? What a joke.