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Yes the Guardian is probably the best of the bunch and imperfect as you say oojason.

Although earlier in this thread I said about a scare from my Dad having coronavirus and testing negative in Spain. It now is being stated that the test kits the Spanish bought are unreliable. So he probably did have it and the test was useless. Thankfully he has recovered.

We are also now entering the time where as things are on an upward curve that the stats can become distorted. Deaths that have transpired over 3 weeks ago are being added to the daily death toll registered on top of the NHS stats.

There is also a case for can some of these deaths be 100% accurately attributed to coronavirus and can we be totally trustworthy of the figures atfributed by these extra deaths.

All in all the point I wish to make is that we will never truly know the actual number of deaths, cases and people that recovered. It is not a pointless excersize and as a guide with missing data it is adequete but it is unfortunately futile data at most. The media organizations can’t grapple with this problem that they really don’t have anything solid to provide and although they must keep people informed we all must just stop the spread and kickstart all our economies.

We all rely on eachother in this world. Stats and testkits and vaccines will only go so far towards solving this problem. It all comes down to common sense and just stay safe. I thunk we can all accept both good and bad will come from this situation but we must strive to get back to normal or a new normal.

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BBC’s Emily Maitlis with some powerful words and a piece - that needed saying, and also highlighting…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6wIcpdJyCI - at the BBC youtube channel (4 mins - taken from NewsNight)

or here https://twitter.com/ed_son/status/1248021250267656192
 

^ Didn’t think I’d see that on the BBC again - a presenter & journalist on a main BBC political program cutting through the Govt crap and dogma that has been so prevalent on its news programs and output for so long now. Well in, Emily Maitlis.
 

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oojason said:

BBC’s Emily Maitlis with some powerful words and a piece - that needed saying, and also highlighting…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6wIcpdJyCI - at the BBC youtube channel (4 mins - taken from NewsNight)

or here https://twitter.com/ed_son/status/1248021250267656192
 

^ Didn’t think I’d see that on the BBC again - a presenter & journalist on a main BBC political program cutting through the Govt crap and dogma that has been so prevalent on its news programs and output for so long now. Well in, Emily Maitlis.
 

First time in a long time, that mate. I hope it is not the last, not will Maitlis and the program’s production get into trouble for it.

Channel 4 News (in the UK) is pretty good for anyone wishing to get a more factual overview of events, and also ask the hard / probing questions of politicians and those in authority - in a ‘firm but fair’ manner.

 

We’re approaching 100,000 deaths worldwide from this - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus

(though the actual 100,000 figure has already been likely been surpassed given some countries only reporting deaths in hospitals - and not in care homes, hospices, in own homes etc.

 

The video of Trump’s speeches on the coronvirus set to a timeline / calendar - that he / his people reportedly wanted taking down:-

https://imgur.com/gallery/8ng5Wjy

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Downton Abbey and Star Wars costume makers sewing scrubs for coronavirus medics’:-

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/11/downton-abbey-star-wars-costume-makers-sewing-scrubs-coronavirus-medics-12542837
 

^ a heart-warming read that, and brilliant to see such a great response to the fundraiser asking to help buy more materials too, smashing past the original target of £1500 😃
 

Fundraiser link for anyone who may be in a position to donate: https://www.gofundme.com/f/helping-dress-medics

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Hydrodoxychloroquine has been succesfull at stopping the viral pneumonia developing. It has been cited that quinine and zinc are both important ingrediants to tackle the virus. Think Gin and Tonic and old colonial drinks from india. India is a good friendly country so a specific targeted variant of this drug or similar will be created with a view to lessen side effects. There will also be a fluid produced from Zinc that will be intraveinously fed through the ventilators. The search for a treatment is far more important than a vaccine. Anyway a test and treatment and social distancing will irradicate this virus quicker than a vaccine ever could. At the moment we are in a war with guns that are firing blanks. Once we have a treatment we have real bullets.

https://fever-tree.com/en_GB/article/quinine-and-coronavirus

Test Treat and back to work.

This is the slogan I hope to be seeing appear rather than the current one although the social distancing measures are obviously having an affect. Gradually we can wind things back to normal I hope. Stay safe and use common sense and follow the advice.

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Over 2 million confirmed cases worldwide now…
 

Trump turns against WHO to mask his own stark failings on Covid-19 crisis

‘It will disappear’: the disinformation Trump spread about the coronavirus – timeline

We scientists said lock down. But UK politicians refused to listen

^ all 3 articles from The Guardian.
 

Coronavirus: Decade of Tory austerity policies left UK ‘unprepared’ for outbreak, former government science adviser says

^ from The Independent.

 

This is from twitter about the NHS (in the UK every Thursday at 8pm many people go to and open their front doors and clap in support, unity and thanks for the NHS), though you don’t have to be a twitter member to watch it:-

‘This is unbelieveably good. Share this across the length and breadth of this country. #YouClapForMeNow’…

https://twitter.com/MrPranPatel/status/1250167541177225221 (with 2 minute video)

^ Coronavirus: ‘You clap for me’ film celebrates ethnic minority workers - at the BBC

 

Hoping everyone is safe and well.
 

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ray_afraid said:

Not necessarily ready to go back to work… But I’m certainly ready to turn the money faucet back on.
Anybody need a haircut?

Make it so.

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ray_afraid said:

Not necessarily ready to go back to work… But I’m certainly ready to turn the money faucet back on.
Anybody need a haircut?

Do you do home visits? I’m in all day mate;) At the start of the lockdown I had the ‘Donald Sutherland as Oddball from Kelly’s Heroes’ look - now it it is a maze-like multi-dimensionable ball of hair - would like a short back and sides!

Will tip, provide quality music and booze (am not sure as to the quality of the booze) 😉
 

Seriously - am hoping you’re able to work safely soon, man.

 

ps - you’re looking good Duracell, looking good 😃

 


 

Coronavirus: Capt Tom Moore finishes NHS fundraiser as it tops £13m’:-

A 99-year-old war veteran has walked 100 laps of his garden to raise more than £13m for the NHS

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52303859
 

https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/tomswalkforthenhs - at £13.5m at time of posting here (2602% of original goal)
 

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I found toilet paper in Staples yesterday and stared at it in disbelief. What a strange world we’re living in now.

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oojason said:

ray_afraid said:

Not necessarily ready to go back to work… But I’m certainly ready to turn the money faucet back on.
Anybody need a haircut?

Do you do home visits? I’m in all day mate;) At the start of the lockdown I had the ‘Donald Sutherland as Oddball from Kelly’s Heroes’ look - now it it is a maze-like multi-dimensionable ball of hair - would like a short back and sides!

Will tip, provide quality music and booze (am not sure as to the quality of the booze) 😉
 

Weird you should mention that. I dreamt we were hanging out together a couple weeks ago, and you looked exactly like Oddball. Why we were partying in what looked like a bombed out brick factory I have no idea. 😉

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SilverWook said:

oojason said:

ray_afraid said:

Not necessarily ready to go back to work… But I’m certainly ready to turn the money faucet back on.
Anybody need a haircut?

Do you do home visits? I’m in all day mate;) At the start of the lockdown I had the ‘Donald Sutherland as Oddball from Kelly’s Heroes’ look - now it it is a maze-like multi-dimensionable ball of hair - would like a short back and sides!

Will tip, provide quality music and booze (am not sure as to the quality of the booze) 😉
 

Weird you should mention that. I dreamt we were hanging out together a couple weeks ago, and you looked exactly like Oddball. Why we were partying in what looked like a bombed out brick factory I have no idea. 😉

Sounds fun! 😄

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Someone please tell me the plan to reopen beaches in Florida today is some kind of sick joke?

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SilverWook said:

Someone please tell me the plan to reopen beaches in Florida today is some kind of sick joke?

Wow. You guys just had circa 2,500 recorded deaths in the US today alone, and apparently not even close to reaching the top of the curve?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus

And some beaches are opening back up? Gyms too? That is fucked up - not only in the potential for further spreading of the virus - but also the mixed message it sends to people.

 


 

NHS staff told ‘wear aprons’ as protective gowns run out’:-

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/nhs-staff-to-be-asked-to-treat-coronavirus-patients-without-gowns

The Government, despite lip service and platitudes, has not done anywhere near enough to protect front-line staff in hospitals - let alone staff at care homes, hospices and connected services etc… and that’s before even reaching other emergency services and other essential workers.
 

'Coronavirus: Leaked email reveals NHS hospitals will not have enough protective gowns for months:-

‘Most’ to run out this weekend as doctors and nurses asked to treat patients without gowns

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-nhs-matt-hancock-email-protective-gowns-masks-a9471616.html

 

From 2 days ago…

NHS and care workers may be asked to reuse PPE, No 10 confirms(to reuse single-use PPE):-

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/15/ppe-could-be-reused-as-last-resort-says-leaked-phe-document

 

Plus, we’re still nowhere near doing enough testing in the UK…

’No 10 says UK on track for 100,000 tests a day despite current low total’

Figures show less than a fifth of target figure for coronavirus tests are being carried out

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/13/britain-on-target-for-100000-coronavirus-tests-a-day-says-no-10

 


 

'Doctors, nurses, porters, volunteers: the UK health workers who have died from Covid-19:-

A project to remember those who lost their lives working in hospitals, surgeries and care homes during the coronavirus outbreak

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/doctors-nurses-porters-volunteers-the-uk-health-workers-who-have-died-from-covid-19 (this article will be updated as and when)
 

^ NursingNotes•com’s Memorial of Health & Social Care Workers taken by COVID-19 record, tribute & memorial is also similar.

 
 

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This is from twitter about the NHS (in the UK every Thursday at 8pm many people go to and open their front doors and clap in support, unity and thanks for the NHS), though you don’t have to be a twitter member to watch it:-

‘This is unbelieveably good. Share this across the length and breadth of this country. #YouClapForMeNow’…

https://twitter.com/MrPranPatel/status/1250167541177225221 (with 2 minute video)

^ Coronavirus: ‘You clap for me’ film celebrates ethnic minority workers - at the BBC

 

I hope people really do remember this, mate.

And also the 10 years of needless and idealogical cuts and austerity which has significantly weakened the health service, social care, and many other branches of public services.

 


 

SilverWook said:

oojason said:

ray_afraid said:

Not necessarily ready to go back to work… But I’m certainly ready to turn the money faucet back on.
Anybody need a haircut?

Do you do home visits? I’m in all day mate;) At the start of the lockdown I had the ‘Donald Sutherland as Oddball from Kelly’s Heroes’ look - now it it is a maze-like multi-dimensionable ball of hair - would like a short back and sides!

Will tip, provide quality music and booze (am not sure as to the quality of the booze) 😉
 

Weird you should mention that. I dreamt we were hanging out together a couple weeks ago, and you looked exactly like Oddball. Why we were partying in what looked like a bombed out brick factory I have no idea. 😉

I did somewhat resemble Oddball until recently - though the beard came off a few weeks ago, and the magic went… 😉

‘a bombed out brick factory’? Sounds like a mod-shelter party to me! Bringing the booze 🍻 😃
 

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3 quality articles (again, all from The Guardian):

The missing six weeks: how Trump failed the biggest test of his life - on 28th March

Operation reopen America: are we about to witness a second historic failure of leadership from Trump? - on 18th April

How did Britain get its coronavirus response so wrong? - on 19th April

 

From The Independent (both articles from today):

Coronavirus: Government’s senior advisers face calls to resign over testing ‘incompetence’

Government accused of ‘rewriting history’ after No 10 claim Sunday Times report on failings full of ‘falsehoods and errors’

 

Strong words from John Pilger - https://twitter.com/johnpilger/status/1252107214396854272

“When Jeremy Hunt was UK Health Secretary the stockpile of PPE was cut by 40 per cent. In 2016, he oversaw Exercise Cygnus that predicted the NHS he was starving to death could not cope with a pandemic. He ignored it. Prosecute Hunt for criminal negligence.”

^ link to article:-

Exercise Cygnus uncovered: the pandemic warnings buried by the government - at The Telegraph

Until 2012, Remploy also made specialist PPE & Uniforms for the NHS and other emergency services:-

Remploy staff protest against factory closures - from 2012, at The Guardian.

 

More from The Guardian:

NHS staff forbidden from speaking out publicly about coronavirus

‘They can’t get away with this’: doctor who took protest to No 10 - UK health workers’ deaths could be avoided with adequate PPE, says Meenal Viz

NHS bosses accused of gagging staff during election campaign (from November 2019)

 

From the ToryTelegraph (surprisingly also very critical of the Govt):-

Revealed: NHS staff given flawed coronavirus tests

‘It’s deplorable, they are doing a very difficult job without the right equipment’ - former chief nurse slams lack of PPE

 

Sorry for the information blast! This all helps me keep my thought processes in order 😃 I apologize if it is too much.

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Ah… nurses - now the true oppressors of freedom! (for some)

^ the gentleman seems to think there is a cure that already exists - yet it is worse than death!

 


 

‘We’re beyond angered’: Fed-up nurses file lawsuits, plan protest at White House (with social distancing) over lack of coronavirus protections:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/21/nurse-protection-coronavirus &

https://www.msnbc.com/hallie-jackson/watch/nurses-hold-white-house-protest-over-lack-of-protective-gear-from-coronavirus-82334277981

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My boss just purchased a $25k 3D Systems Figure 4 Printer so that we can help make PPE, swabs, and valve splitters for ventilators for our local hospitals in New Mexico. I’ve been asked to run the tool and I’m looking forward to this, I’ve no idea how to design stuff but from my research I should be able to run it. These are scary times and I’m really proud that my boss has stepped up in this manner as well as providing free meals via Subway to first responders. I hope that you are all well and May the Force be with us all!

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Fated-Dualist said:

Ah… nurses - now the true oppressors of freedom! (for some)

^ the gentleman seems to think there is a cure that already exists - yet it is worse than death!

Murica! Fuck yeah!

That flag burning I like is going to come back in style.

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From BBC:
Coronavirus: Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment
(as well as sunlight)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177

US President Donald Trump has been lambasted by the medical community after suggesting research into whether coronavirus might be treated by injecting disinfectant into the body.

My homeworld is Australia so be wary of timezones!

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Rikter said:

My boss just purchased a $25k 3D Systems Figure 4 Printer so that we can help make PPE, swabs, and valve splitters for ventilators for our local hospitals in New Mexico. I’ve been asked to run the tool and I’m looking forward to this, I’ve no idea how to design stuff but from my research I should be able to run it. These are scary times and I’m really proud that my boss has stepped up in this manner as well as providing free meals via Subway to first responders. I hope that you are all well and May the Force be with us all!

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I hope The Onion and other satirical sites can recover from having nowhere left to go after Trump’s words last night.

Man Just Buying One Of Every Cleaning Product In Case Trump Announces It’s Coronavirus Cure - on 25th March
 

Outcry after Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment

Coronavirus: Trump’s disinfectant and sunlight claims fact-checked

^ both pieces are from the BBC.

From CNN:

Dr. Gupta shuts down Trump’s medical claim

Trump, ever the salesman, is peddling dangerous cures for coronavirus

50 Cent is just an imposter

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Rikter said:

My boss just purchased a $25k 3D Systems Figure 4 Printer so that we can help make PPE, swabs, and valve splitters for ventilators for our local hospitals in New Mexico. I’ve been asked to run the tool and I’m looking forward to this, I’ve no idea how to design stuff but from my research I should be able to run it. These are scary times and I’m really proud that my boss has stepped up in this manner as well as providing free meals via Subway to first responders. I hope that you are all well and May the Force be with us all!

That is awesome man! All credit to you and your boss 😃

MYFBWYall on here too.

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V.I.N.Cent said:

I hope The Onion and other satirical sites can recover from having nowhere left to go after Trump’s words last night.

Man Just Buying One Of Every Cleaning Product In Case Trump Announces It’s Coronavirus Cure - on 25th March
 

Outcry after Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment

Coronavirus: Trump’s disinfectant and sunlight claims fact-checked

^ both pieces are from the BBC.

From CNN:

Dr. Gupta shuts down Trump’s medical claim

Trump, ever the salesman, is peddling dangerous cures for coronavirus

There’re reasons I consider Trump an antichrist, and it ain’t 'cause I think he literally has Satan on speed dial.

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Good luck with reopening your business. I’m curious how barbers and hairstylists are going to operate in the strange new world.
I haven’t had a haircut in two months and I’m already contemplating shaving my head, not that I can even buy clippers at this point. 😉

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