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#1579065
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<strong>The Jedi Purge</strong> | a general discussion
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Gandalf the Cyan said:

Keyan Farlander said:

This feels kind of right:

Exactly this. So many Jedi survived that, if you look at ROTS, Order 66 feels meaningless. It removes any/all of the emotional impact it had in that movie.

Plus, the idea of a Jedi surviving Order 66 has become incredibly cliché to the point that it comes across as lazy writing. It seems as though every Star Wars TV/EU writer thought “a Jedi survives Order 66 story would be cool” without realizing that dozens of other writers had the exact same idea. It’s cheapening too, as it makes the idea of Obi-Wan and Yoda being the last remnants of the Jedi seem dubious. The Obi-Wan show was especially terrible about this, with the existence of an Underground Railroad for Jedi, and there are apparently so many survivors that there just happen to be two survivors on the same remote backwater planet (the other Jedi on Tatooine in Ep1.) It makes you wonder why the survivors didn’t team up to stage a coup to overthrow the Empire or something, since there evidently were enough of them to do so.

Absolutely. Instead we get:

 

Although I was surprised we never got to see something like Conclave On Kessel set not long after Order 66, in the animated series like The Clone Wars, Rebels, Visions or even Tales Of The Jedi. A group of Jedi come together to make a stand or try to take down Vader, or other upper Imperial hierarchy, or even to inform the general public of what has really occurred.

To make a “last stand” or even continue resisting the Emperor and his new Empire. Or simply as a “warning” story for why no other Jedi tried to band together afterwards.

Conclave on Kessel - https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Conclave_on_Kessel

^ from the 2005 comic “Star Wars: Purge” - https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Purge
 

It would be at least something similar to what was described here, which we unfortunately never got to see:

from JW Rinzler’s Making Of Star Wars book, posted in the Pre-PT era lore | an OT & EU scrapbook resource thread

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#1578812
Topic
Jokes thread : Reloaded
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Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson were going camping. They pitched their tent under the stars and went to sleep.

Some time in the middle of the night, Holmes woke Watson up and said, “Watson, look up at the sky, and tell me what you see.”
Watson replied, “I see millions and millions of stars.”
Holmes asked, “And what do you deduce from that?”
Watson replied, “Well, if there are millions of stars, and if even a few of those have planets, it’s quite likely there are some planets like Earth out there. And if there are a few planets like Earth out there, there might also be life.”
Holmes said, “Watson, you idiot, it means that somebody stole our tent.”

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#1578577
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<strong>The New Republic era</strong> | from post-ROTJ to the Sequel Trilogy | a general discussion
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Sideburns of BoShek said:

Avoiding the OT legacy characters, or having them appear as weird CGI faces and not actually doing much, only helps that. Instead, too often we are often “told, not shown”, and not “show, don’t tell”. We are then expected to connect with what little setting this era have been given. None of it seems planned out very well, it comes off as ad-hoc, gimmicky, or lacking. Like Caston says in his OP: it and the OT heroes deserves so much more, and I agree with Channel when he says the writing for it sucks, which leads me to being somewhere between frustration and indifference for this New Republic era.

I think many of us feel similar, or are starting to feel this way, particularly on “told, not shown”, and not “show, don’t tell”.

So much that I’ve given up on it. No more Filoni & Favreau series or films for me. They just don’t appeal to me anymore, and I’m fed up of feeling frustrated and indifferent. Instead I’ll stick to Andor, Visions, Acolyte, Skeleton Crew, and The Dawn of the Jedi film. Rey’s NJO film too, given it is set past that ST era and is being made by new talents that will hopefully bring something fresh and different.

I like that positivity, and willing to give these non-F&F shows and films a fair crack. A little like Vladius’ separation example above. I still hope the Mandoverse does improve, I hoped it after Andor, where me and others naively thought the bar in Star Wars may have to be raised, but obviously wasn’t. But there really doesn’t appear to be any indication or willingness to improve or change things up, so I imagine that aspect of Star Wars, along with the current New Republic era, will continue along the disenchanted path it is already on.

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#1578469
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<strong>The Jedi Purge</strong> | a general discussion
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I found it underwhelming. I remember before watching Revenge Of The Sith I reminded myself to go in with an open mind, not to anticipate anything, or have high expectations based on my disappointment with the previous two Prequel Trilogy films.

It still underwhelmed. Order 66 seemed an easy option to take to show the majority of Jedi falling, but the way it was done just left me cold. Seeing a number of Jedi I hadn’t seen much of before or really cared about, be cut down, didn’t click with me. The Jedi Temple scenes made little impact too (poor younglings! like the poor Tusken women and children in AOTC). It also seemed rushed and impactless, like ticking off boxes on a list to get through to the end the movie where they thought they needed to be, to somehow line things up with the Original Trilogy.

When I see clips of the Jedi Purge I just shrug. It doesn’t mean much. A bit like how I feel in much of modern Star Wars when I see many dead characters return to the screen, or people surviving lightsaber impalements, or the poor writing in making vague references but with no build up or pay off, or use of memberberries in place of a good story or plot arc.

The Purge should have been memorable. It should have had a deep emotional connection or feeling. But it felt as disappointing as many of the other aspects on the prequels. In my head canon, ROTS never happened. I fill in the blanks with my own beat on the the original ‘Vader has been luring and tricked the Jedi to their deaths while he pretended to still be one of them over a long time’ story, to the point where he and Kenobi fight at the volcano pit:
 

 

This feels kind of right:

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#1577906
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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Gandalf the Cyan said:

I must be experiencing Star Wars fatigue (at least for brand-new content) right now. I have no interest whatsoever in this show, despite all signs pointing to it being technically good.

Really, I think the issue is just that all the new content is just too run-of-the-mill. I’d like them to make something imaginative for once.

I understand that fatigue, though for me I associate it more with Filoni and Favreau content. I love Andor and am hoping we’ll see Acolyte as being closer to that, than another meh Mandoverse or Kenobi type series.

Because this is set 50 years before TPM it shouldn’t have those overused and empty memberberries or needless fan service that F+F like showcase. And I’m hoping this will be something different all around, maybe bringing some of the better High Republic era feel from the books and comics with it.

Although I am probing just hoping a little too much! 😉

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#1577770
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<strong>The New Republic era</strong> | from post-ROTJ to the Sequel Trilogy | a general discussion
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Star Wars: The Fall of the New Republic

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItmwgOFXzM - an 8 minute video from the SWFT YouTube channel

Description: ‘A montage of the establishment, reign and fall of the New Republic, a galactic government in Star Wars.’
 

I felt more emotion and investment in the New Republic and watching the above video than I have from the continuing underwhelming depiction of the New Republic on-screen. A cleverly worked fan edit short from SWFT.

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#1576579
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Original Trilogy <strong>news &amp; articles</strong> thread: online write-ups on the OT films, cast and crew
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Lieutenant Renz Actor Barrie Holland Dies, Aged 85 (in December 2023)

https://www.jedinews.com/film-music-tv/articles/lieutenant-renz-actor-barrie-holland-dies-aged-85

and https://starwarsaficionado.blogspot.com/2023/12/goodbye-barrie-holland.html
 

'Sad news for the end of the year, and the closing celebrations of Return of the Jedi’s landmark 30th Anniversary, as the announcement was made today of British background artist legend and cult favourite Barrie Holland’s passing, at the age of 85. Holland played the now legendary Jedi Imperial figure Lt. Renz, who captured Han and Leia inside the Imperial Shield Generator bunker on Endor and delivered to them the classic, nay infamous, line that was, “You rebel scum!” Though his voiced line was later dubbed in post production, it was nonetheless a moment that the artiste was thrilled to do and which enjoyed an hilarious on-set response from Harrison Ford in one classic 1982 scene outtake that surfaced onto Blu-ray in 2011.

 
2009 interview with Barrie: https://www.fanthatracks.com/interviews/vintage-interview-barrie-holland-14th-june-2009

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#1576578
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Original Trilogy <strong>news &amp; articles</strong> thread: online write-ups on the OT films, cast and crew
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Rare Star Wars Jawa figure found in loft sells for £19,500

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-68118326
 

 
'An “exceptionally rare” Star Wars figure found in a loft has outstripped its estimate after attracting worldwide interest at auction.

The Jawa character, complete with vinyl cape, is considered the “holy grail” of 1970s Star Wars figures, according to auctioneer Jonathan Torode.

It was snapped up by a UK collector for £19,500 during the Hertfordshire sale.

“I feel honoured to have handled another rare part of Star Wars toy history,” Mr Torode said.

“The Jawa figure is still the absolute ultimate for Star Wars collectors.”

It was the second time in six months that Excalibur Auctions, of Kings Langley, was able to show off such a sought-after collectible.

In July, it sold an identical Jawa figure for £26,670, including commission charges, after it was found by the same owner among memorabilia packed away in boxes.

Each figure was estimated to attain £10,000 to £15,000.

The figure owner, who worked for Marvel UK between 1974 and 1979, received a range of gifts from the UK toy company Palitoy during the promotion of the Star Wars line in Marvel comics.

Only 10 to 15 examples of this type of figure were documented, Excalibur Auctions said, with the vinyl cape substituted for a cloth cape not long into production.’
 

Wow! £19,500 is around US$24,900, or €23,000

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#1576085
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TheStarWarsTrilogy.com - and invite codes to it <em>(read the actual thread before posting!)</em>
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oojason said:

 

For invitation codes… to the TheStarWarsTrilogy.com Forums:-

 

 
 
↓ There are invitation codes to the TSWT forums in each of the Opening Posts of these three threads below. Kudos to Williarob.
 

OT•com threads: OriginalTrilogy.com Page for 4K77 : OriginalTrilogy.com Page for 4K80 : OriginalTrilogy.com Page for 4K83

^ There are invitation codes to the TSWT forums in each of the Opening Posts of these three threads - many thanks to Williarob.

 

 
 

TheStarWarsTrilogy•com forum itself also has the information required on how to join the forum linked to on their front page… literally for anyone and everyone to see:-

Looking for Project 4K77, 4K80, 4K83, etc? & You need to register before you can see these forums
 

Thank you.

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#1576084
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Links to Star Wars HDTV broadcasts.
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Edomex Sound said:

Can anyone provide me the links or guide to acquire the Star Wars HDTV broadcast?

The ones found on this thread:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-SDTV-and-HDTV-digital-broadcast-database/id/17744/page/1

It is probably worth asking in the thread itself. More than asking in a different thread that not many may see or click on? I hope you find them, here or at the TSWT forum.

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#1576082
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<strong>Pre-PT era lore</strong> | an OT &amp; EU scrapbook resource | additional info &amp; sources welcome
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The memories are flooding back after reading this beguiling thread. Awesome work SoBS and everyone. It has inspired me to go and buy a copy of the X Wing game for the PC again, just to get a copy of “The Farlander Papers”!
 

for the "A list of assorted ‘pre-PT era’ claims to check: claims on reddit by CharlieTheStrawman:

A screenshot from the wookieepedia page for Obi Wan Kenobi on his birth place:

^ From this and the two sources provided: 1st edition of ‘The Rebel Alliance Sourcebook’ and ‘Star Wars Screen Entertainment’, in pre-PT era lore, Obi Wan was born on Tatooine.

 
 

I saw this in another thread, but thought it could appeal to many in here:
 

Channel72 said:

Literally any fan speculation about the Clone Wars is likely to be cooler than what Lucas actually came up with in 2002.

Like everyone else, I imagined some awesome galactic conflict with massive clone armies controlled by distant alien factions trying to overthrow the Republic, along with clone-based subterfuge and political intrigue (cloning of Senators or Jedi - with some darker elements like cloned Jedi going insane).

I did not imagine that the clones were boring CGI Stormtroopers created under bullshit circumstances for the Republic to use at the last minute to fight some equally boring CGI robots as part of an under-explained civil war, and that every single clone was actually Boba Fett’s dad.

Anyway, pre-Prequel ideas about the Clone Wars always fascinated me because while many of these ideas are traceable to pre-1999 EU publications, some of these ideas are actually examples of pre-Internet “memes”. These were orally-communicated “memes” whose origin is forever lost to time, yet are somehow consistently known by many people of a certain age group across multiple regions/countries. These memes were spread on playgrounds, fan gatherings, and mail-based fan publications, in a way similar to how stories and myths were spread in pre-literate cultures. Similar to childhood songs that somehow every kid of a certain age knew (“Jingle Bells, Batman Smells”), the idea that Obi Wan Kenobi was actually OB-1 the clone is a pre-Internet meme that was remarkably wide-spread before the Internet, and remains well known to this day. Every Star Wars fan in the 80s and 90s somehow “knew a guy” that told them about this theory. (Of course it turned out to be false, and I’m glad, because it’s stupid.)

 
Below are some articles on this fan theory from at that time, something I always found kinda interesting: the fan theory from before the Prequels, and the web, that Obi Wan was a clone:

OB-1 = ‘Original Body 1’

Obi-Wan Kenobi is a Clone - at The Movie Blog
Obi-Wan Kenobi is Actually OB1 Kenobi - at CBR
Excuse me Mr. Kenobi, but was that Obi-Wan or OB1? - at Trailer Addict
Star Wars’ Weirdest Fan Theory Concerned… Obi-Wan’s Name? - at CBR
Star Wars Fan Theories Explained: Obi-Wan & Anakin Are Really Clones 0B-1 & NKN - at Looper
Where did the ideas of Obi-Wan being a clone named OB-1 originate from? - reddit/RewritingThePrequels

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#1575009
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<strong>The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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MORC said:

Keyan Farlander said:
I’m not sure how I feel about the final season after watching that trailer. I do like the show, but also wish Star Wars would stop resurrecting long dead characters.

“Somehow, Ventress Returned”.

I’m worried they will pull a

[spoilers]

“somehow, Tech returned” since they didn’t show his body on that episode.

That would be an extremely cheap move.

Yes! I was kind of half expecting that to happen. I hope they don’t, but if they did, maybe they’ll save it for a few episodes in?

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#1575000
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<strong>The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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MORC said:

Well, the third season is coming in February 21.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa5zeHdSwdQ
I wish I could say I’m excited since I really enjoyed the first and second seasons, but Star Wars quality has been going up and down so much lately I don’t wanna set myself for disappointment.

I’m not sure how I feel about the final season after watching that trailer. I do like the show, but also wish Star Wars would stop resurrecting long dead characters.

“Somehow, Ventress Returned”.

more on that: https://www.starwars.com/news/the-bad-batch-season-3-trailer
 

“We love Asajj Ventress. She’s a character that we’ve been wanting to tell more stories about,” Brad Rau, supervising director and one of the executive producers of the series, tells StarWars.com. And he makes clear that her return will honor prior tales, including the book in which the character apparently perished. “We don’t want to spoil anything, but want fans to know that any new storytelling with Ventress will align with the events of Star Wars: Dark Disciple.”

I guess we’ll have to wait and see. Although Lucasfilm says a lot about honoring canon or “prior tales”, but then often rips right through it shortly after.

 

3 episodes air on February 21

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#1572905
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<strong>The New Republic era</strong> | from post-ROTJ to the Sequel Trilogy | a general discussion
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I wonder if the cancelled Rangers Of The Republic series would have helped this?

If it was the quality of Season 1 of The Mandalorian then, yes. If more like later Mandoverse seasons, probably no.

I think a series with the focus on the NR would help, maybe by others than Filoni or Favreau. Or at least a series that focuses on the NR being well written and developed. I hope they do start to write that aspect better.

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#1572572
Topic
The 2 Ewok Films - '<strong>Caravan Of Courage</strong>' (aka 'The Ewok Adventure'), &amp; '<strong>Battle For Endor</strong>'
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I posted this in the wrong thread last week. Duh! I hope it will be a good watch, some fond memories of watching these 2 films as a kid.
 

The Yub-Nub! The Forgotten Ewok Adventures documentary is now fully funded at Kickstarter!:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/yub-nub/yub-nub-the-forgotten-ewok-adventures-0/posts/3984431
 

Interview: Eric Walker – From Ewok Adventures to Kickstarter at JediNews
 

 
It is kind of cool these lesser known releases are getting behind the scenes documentaries.

The ‘A Disturbance in the Force‘ – The Star Wars Holiday Special Documentary looks fun too. Maybe better than the Holiday Special itself?

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#1571038
Topic
Should Dave Filoni Run The Creative Team at LucasFilm
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Mocata said:

If Ahsoka was on the same level as The Bad Batch it might have been good news, but alas.

That is sad when you think about it. Animation has overtaken many of the recent live-action shows in terms of quality, enjoyment, and the execution of a story in Star Wars.

And judging on Filoni’s recent creative input it may continue for some time yet.