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The Empire Strikes Back - a general Random Thoughts thread — Page 4

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rocknroll41 said:

I just wrote a four-part blog series about how I think ESB is overrated. You can read part 1 here if you want (each part ends with a link to the next one): https://henrynsilva.blogspot.com/2020/11/the-real-reason-you-probably-dont-like.html?m=1

Really enjoyed your blog - thanks! I pretty much agree with everything you said - I guess where we part company is that I’m in that Harry Potter camp you described. I was 8 years-old when SW came out and 14 for ROTJ, so you can see why I’d be of a ‘grow with the audience’ mindset. In fact when my wife introduced me to Harry Potter, and we got to the final instalments, I was like “that right there is what Lucas should’ve done!”. So yes, I maintain that TESB is the best SW film (from my certain point of view) even as I agree with 98% of what you said. Thanks for a great read!

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Shopping Maul said:

rocknroll41 said:

I just wrote a four-part blog series about how I think ESB is overrated. You can read part 1 here if you want (each part ends with a link to the next one): https://henrynsilva.blogspot.com/2020/11/the-real-reason-you-probably-dont-like.html?m=1

Really enjoyed your blog - thanks! I pretty much agree with everything you said - I guess where we part company is that I’m in that Harry Potter camp you described. I was 8 years-old when SW came out and 14 for ROTJ, so you can see why I’d be of a ‘grow with the audience’ mindset. In fact when my wife introduced me to Harry Potter, and we got to the final instalments, I was like “that right there is what Lucas should’ve done!”. So yes, I maintain that TESB is the best SW film (from my certain point of view) even as I agree with 98% of what you said. Thanks for a great read!

Thanks! Glad you liked what I had to say 😃 even if you didn’t agree with everything. To each their own! I wish more of the fanbase was better at “agreeing to disagree” like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Budu1ux09Rs

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Vader’s journey to becoming Anakin again didn’t start in Return of the Jedi nor in the time between then and this movie, it started when Luke dropped into the abyss.

When Vader is going on to Luke about how they can team up, kill the Emperor, and rule the galaxy together, he’s pretty much pouring his heart out to him. He’s talking to him the same way he talked to Padme. But when Luke, by his actions, basically says “I’d rather die then join you”, that actually hurts him, deeply, as any rejection would.

Between that moment and the end of Revenge of the Sith, Vader was completely focused on the dark side and being a Sith, but this was the moment that actually brought some of Anakin out of him again. The telepathic conversation between the two pretty much cements this in my view: when he says “Son, come with me”, Vader isn’t talking to him like an evil Sith lord, he’s talking to him like a father.

It’s why he went from being the most powerful Sith of all time, with incredible feats such as ripping open the crust of Mustafar and the netherworld of the Force itself against it’s will (as seen in the comics taking place between ROTS and ANH) to being bested by Sidious (as seen in the new comics; Sidious literally outright states that it’s because he’s lost a lot of his power) and eventually Luke. It created a rift in his connection with the dark side, and he was hugely conflicted.

The arc was completed in Return of the Jedi, but it started here.

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G&G-Fan said:

incredible feats such as ripping open the crust of Mustafar and the netherworld of the Force itself against it’s will (as seen in the comics taking place between ROTS and ANH)

Ugh.

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I don’t think DE was implying that it isn’t something that exists. I think he was voicing disgust at the idea that such a thing does exist and that it’s being referenced on this message board.

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Dek Rollins said:

I don’t think DE was implying that it isn’t something that exists. I think he was voicing disgust at the idea that such a thing does exist and that it’s being referenced on this message board.

This. Absolutely this.

Power creep like this is why I’ve come to hate telekinesis, Force lightning, and the other unsubtle Force abilities.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Dek Rollins said:

I don’t think DE was implying that it isn’t something that exists. I think he was voicing disgust at the idea that such a thing does exist and that it’s being referenced on this message board.

This. Absolutely this.

Power creep like this is why I’ve come to hate telekinesis, Force lightning, and the other unsubtle Force abilities.

Yeah I mentioned on my blog that I don’t like how ESB turned the force into an excuse for “super powers,” and those powers have only been getting worse and worse ever since…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Budu1ux09Rs

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The Force has gotten way too overpowered. They needed to place a ceiling on the extent of Force powers at some point, but they just never did, and now it’s gone far beyond what should be possible. I could let Force Lightning slide if it was rare and only something the most powerful Dark siders could use, but stuff like Force speed and Force item teleportation is just too much.

Also, I’ve realized that ESB is the only Star Wars film to end with a shot in space. (Except for Solo, maybe? I’d have to rewatch that to be sure.)

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I think “family portrait” was the phrase used inside Lucasfilm to describe the parallelism of the final shots of the OT (minus ESB) & the PT.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”