Sign In

The Empire Strikes Back - a general Random Thoughts thread — Page 4

Author
Time

rocknroll41 said:

I just wrote a four-part blog series about how I think ESB is overrated. You can read part 1 here if you want (each part ends with a link to the next one): https://henrynsilva.blogspot.com/2020/11/the-real-reason-you-probably-dont-like.html?m=1

Really enjoyed your blog - thanks! I pretty much agree with everything you said - I guess where we part company is that I’m in that Harry Potter camp you described. I was 8 years-old when SW came out and 14 for ROTJ, so you can see why I’d be of a ‘grow with the audience’ mindset. In fact when my wife introduced me to Harry Potter, and we got to the final instalments, I was like “that right there is what Lucas should’ve done!”. So yes, I maintain that TESB is the best SW film (from my certain point of view) even as I agree with 98% of what you said. Thanks for a great read!

Author
Time

Shopping Maul said:

rocknroll41 said:

I just wrote a four-part blog series about how I think ESB is overrated. You can read part 1 here if you want (each part ends with a link to the next one): https://henrynsilva.blogspot.com/2020/11/the-real-reason-you-probably-dont-like.html?m=1

Really enjoyed your blog - thanks! I pretty much agree with everything you said - I guess where we part company is that I’m in that Harry Potter camp you described. I was 8 years-old when SW came out and 14 for ROTJ, so you can see why I’d be of a ‘grow with the audience’ mindset. In fact when my wife introduced me to Harry Potter, and we got to the final instalments, I was like “that right there is what Lucas should’ve done!”. So yes, I maintain that TESB is the best SW film (from my certain point of view) even as I agree with 98% of what you said. Thanks for a great read!

Thanks! Glad you liked what I had to say 😃 even if you didn’t agree with everything. To each their own! I wish more of the fanbase was better at “agreeing to disagree” like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Budu1ux09Rs

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Vader’s journey to becoming Anakin again didn’t start in Return of the Jedi nor in the time between then and this movie, it started when Luke dropped into the abyss.

When Vader is going on to Luke about how they can team up, kill the Emperor, and rule the galaxy together, he’s pretty much pouring his heart out to him. He’s talking to him the same way he talked to Padme. But when Luke, by his actions, basically says “I’d rather die then join you”, that actually hurts him, deeply, as any rejection would.

Between that moment and the end of Revenge of the Sith, Vader was completely focused on the dark side and being a Sith, but this was the moment that actually brought some of Anakin out of him again. The telepathic conversation between the two pretty much cements this in my view: when he says “Son, come with me”, Vader isn’t talking to him like an evil Sith lord, he’s talking to him like a father.

It’s why he went from being the most powerful Sith of all time, with incredible feats such as ripping open the crust of Mustafar and the netherworld of the Force itself against it’s will (as seen in the comics taking place between ROTS and ANH) to being bested by Sidious (as seen in the new comics; Sidious literally outright states that it’s because he’s lost a lot of his power) and eventually Luke. It created a rift in his connection with the dark side, and he was hugely conflicted.

The arc was completed in Return of the Jedi, but it started here.

My Star Wars Fan-Edits
Proud creator of Dinosauria: Ascension, Domination, Downfall

Author
Time

G&G-Fan said:

incredible feats such as ripping open the crust of Mustafar and the netherworld of the Force itself against it’s will (as seen in the comics taking place between ROTS and ANH)

Ugh.

Author
Time

I don’t think DE was implying that it isn’t something that exists. I think he was voicing disgust at the idea that such a thing does exist and that it’s being referenced on this message board.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Dek Rollins said:

I don’t think DE was implying that it isn’t something that exists. I think he was voicing disgust at the idea that such a thing does exist and that it’s being referenced on this message board.

This. Absolutely this.

Power creep like this is why I’ve come to hate telekinesis, Force lightning, and the other unsubtle Force abilities.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

DuracellEnergizer said:

Dek Rollins said:

I don’t think DE was implying that it isn’t something that exists. I think he was voicing disgust at the idea that such a thing does exist and that it’s being referenced on this message board.

This. Absolutely this.

Power creep like this is why I’ve come to hate telekinesis, Force lightning, and the other unsubtle Force abilities.

Yeah I mentioned on my blog that I don’t like how ESB turned the force into an excuse for “super powers,” and those powers have only been getting worse and worse ever since…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Budu1ux09Rs

Author
Time
 (Edited)

The Force has gotten way too overpowered. They needed to place a ceiling on the extent of Force powers at some point, but they just never did, and now it’s gone far beyond what should be possible. I could let Force Lightning slide if it was rare and only something the most powerful Dark siders could use, but stuff like Force speed and Force item teleportation is just too much.

Also, I’ve realized that ESB is the only Star Wars film to end with a shot in space. (Except for Solo, maybe? I’d have to rewatch that to be sure.)

Author
Time
 (Edited)

I think “family portrait” was the phrase used inside Lucasfilm to describe the parallelism of the final shots of the OT (minus ESB) & the PT.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

Author
Time

screams in the void said:

Wow , this guy is really ballsy , compiles a bunch of audio clips that are freely available elsewhere on youtube and tries to pass it off as an authentic 1980 radio special , with himself as the interviewer …https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfcq3p0-WjA I called him out in the comments , be interesting to see if he replies .

I went and checked. He’s edited the description, adding a disclaimer that it’s him acting as the narrator and that it’s a cobbled together recreation.

Author
Time

Not a new idea. There were interview records way way back in the day, with blank spaces for an local radio DJ or reporter to ask questions (via a script) of a musician or actor.

originaltrilogy.com Moderator

Where were you in '77?

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Yup , and he edited the description after I called him out on it multiple times , seems he removed the comments too . here is the exchange …me -Nice faux radio show . I was almost convinced this was real .The “commercials” are taken from the call in promotion in 1980 where you could pay to hear the actors in character promoting the film ,and the interviews with the actors were conducted at the time of the films release and are available elsewhere on youtube . A google search turns up no evidence of this “1980 Radio Special " save for your video here . That said , the production value here is pretty good and that spinning tape up there enhances the illusion . To quote Mark Hamill in this , " When it’s cut together , it really looks like we’re carrying on a conversation .”

him-Thank you! I could find no recording of this special either.

me-lol . A bit disingenuous to try and pass it off as authentic no ? kinda ballsy .

him- Not at all. I read the DJ script that came with the record full of interviews and assembled it just how they did in 1980.

me- this still gives one the impression that you are the one doing the interviews. Perhaps you should put that in the description. And do you have a link or source for this record you mentioned ?

him-Thanks for listening and I appreciate the kind comments from the start.

me- sarcastic more than kind . So , where can this non existing record with the DJ script be found ?

him-Here you go my friend - the non-existing record. https://bid.vegalleries.com/The-Empire-Strikes-Back-Radio-Interview-Record_i36820718

me- ok , I will concede that I was wrong about that record existing , took some digging beyond your link and found a listing for it on the star wars collectors archive . Not very much info on it online .Still , why not just play the record itself , or note that this is a reconstruction of its contents in your description for this video ? I still think its misleading and disingenuous not to do so . Specifically , if you had added this to your description " (Lucasfilm, 1980) A radio interview record for The Empire Strikes Back. Records such as these were sent to radio stations with a list of questions and cues included, so that local radio stations could “interview” the cast of the film. " , and mentioned that you were reading the script that came with the record in order to recreate the experience of a radio station airing it , it would have cleared up a lot of confusion .

him- dude, the only thing on the record were the interviews. Nothing else - I crafted the entire radio show around the static interviews that were on the record itself. Please feel free to make your own version if you dont care for what I’ve done. I look forward to seeing it!

me- the production is not the issue , it’s the fact that you did not state this information in your videos description that is the problem . Any user unaware of this record would think that is your original production and that you were the one conducting the Interviews back in 1980 . Or that maybe you obtained broadcast rights from Backstage Productions Incorporated, as the sleeve on the record script suggests in the expired listing you linked to in response to my comments.

so yeah , he went back and added the disclaimer with this disingenuous remark…(PS: Yes, this is a RE-CREATION of a radio show that no copies seem exist of - yes it is ME doing the narration. Apparently, it’s so authentic sounding it’s fooling people…compliment, I suppose?)

https://screamsinthevoid.deviantart.com/

Author
Time
 (Edited)

I got curious about how cropped the Falcon cockpit shots really were since I knew they were about 9% smaller on subsequent releases, so I compared the most recent Blu-Ray to the raw footage from the “Celebrating 40 Years of Empire” video and my god. There’s more image left out than there was left in.

cockpit

George must’ve really hated how open they made that little set.

Here’s how it could of looked, cropped to 2.35:1. A little more spacious, but not overly.

fixed