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Does anyone know if a good 1080p 60fps (deinterlaced) upscale of the EditDroid version is available anywhere?
A good BD compatible h264 encode like this one would be great: https://youtu.be/KxtSX1lg8rE

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bttfbrasilfan said:

Does anyone know if a good 1080p 60fps (deinterlaced) upscale of the EditDroid version is available anywhere?
A good BD compatible h264 encode like this one would be great: https://youtu.be/KxtSX1lg8rE

I’d sure like to know who did that upscale and YouTube upload, to get hold of the source. It really does a great thing for the material.

Also: happy belated Life Day! We may not thrive, friends, but we survive, friends.

–SKot

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Return Of The Ewok and Other Short Films (with OCPmovie) [COMPLETED]
Preserving the…cringe…Star Wars Holiday Special [COMPLETED]
The Star Wars TV Commercials Project [DORMANT]
Felix the Cat 1919-1930 early film shorts preservation [ONGOING]
Lights Out! (lost TV anthology shows) [ONGOING]
Iznogoud (1995 animated series) English audio preservation [ONGOING]

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SKot said:

I’d sure like to know who did that upscale and YouTube upload, to get hold of the source. It really does a great thing for the material.

The first time I watched the WHIO version, it was 60fps like that. It actually made me a little nauseous.

It might have been because I had installed a 60fps plugin on the computer and forgot about it, but it literally hasn’t worked on any other video I’ve watched.

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Well, sounds like we could have the best preservation of part of the Holiday Special yet: apparently the cartoon is coming to Disney+…

The Ewok movies, Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars, and part of the Holiday Special are coming to Disney Plus

If they actually HD scanned the original film elements for the animation (and they were the only part of the Holiday Special that was shot on film), then we could be in for a real treat here!

–SKot

Projects:
Return Of The Ewok and Other Short Films (with OCPmovie) [COMPLETED]
Preserving the…cringe…Star Wars Holiday Special [COMPLETED]
The Star Wars TV Commercials Project [DORMANT]
Felix the Cat 1919-1930 early film shorts preservation [ONGOING]
Lights Out! (lost TV anthology shows) [ONGOING]
Iznogoud (1995 animated series) English audio preservation [ONGOING]

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I noticed this quite by accident – YouTube knows my preferences a bit too well – and Team Coco put it up on Life Day 2020.

It’s the best quality of the interaction between him and Harrison Ford that I’ve ever seen!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amln5OxsQlA

“Before the Dark Times. Before the Prequels.”

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He Star Warrior I hsve neever really seen ALL OF THE SW HOLIDAY SPECIAL in its entirety So guy where can I find such a good copy on line to download?

I Am The Way, The Light, and The Force.

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This floated up in a recent eBay visit: “Star Wars Holiday Special 2020 EXTENDED CUT (Blu-ray SPECIAL EDITION 1978)”

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363476765732?hash=item54a0e74c24:g:LcIAAOSwGpJg8YE3

The word “extended” seems to refer to this: “As a special treat a new opening theme was created with an introduction that is exclusive to this release.”

Although it sounds intriguing a) I’m never going to pay for another copy of the Special (made that mistake twice 20+ years ago before I discovered this group and a wonderful online community) and b) I would never want to enrich someone on eBay who’s hawking something that shouldn’t be sold anyway.

“Before the Dark Times. Before the Prequels.”

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MattMahdi said:

This floated up in a recent eBay visit: “Star Wars Holiday Special 2020 EXTENDED CUT (Blu-ray SPECIAL EDITION 1978)”

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363476765732?hash=item54a0e74c24:g:LcIAAOSwGpJg8YE3

The word “extended” seems to refer to this: “As a special treat a new opening theme was created with an introduction that is exclusive to this release.”

Although it sounds intriguing a) I’m never going to pay for another copy of the Special (made that mistake twice 20+ years ago before I discovered this group and a wonderful online community) and b) I would never want to enrich someone on eBay who’s hawking something that shouldn’t be sold anyway.

My guess is it’s the Rifftrax crawl tacked onto the beginning. Extended cut!

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FYI…I uploaded the original French edit from my archives to the spleen.
I got it years ago from a French TV station and it’s right from their archives. I have no idea if it’s better quality or not - I’ll let you guys figure that out.

Enjoy!

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'Star Wars Holiday Special Full Movie with RiffTrax jokes - Upgraded Video for Life Day’:-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyykN8e_WXw - a 1 hour and 44 minute video at the official RiffTrax youtube channel.
 

The blurb:-

‘LIFE DAY As seen on TV - Star Wars Holiday Special with Commercials! Young Mark Hamil, Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford and LUMPY - www.rifftrax.com/the-star-wars-holiday-special

 

Just Released: The Star Wars Holiday Special RiffTrax! 2007 OT•com thread : IMDB : TVTropes : Twitter : Website
 

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Has everyone seen this?

A 60fps, AI-enhanced 4k Holiday Special appears to be in the works. I’ve been wanting to do a 60fps conversion but didn’t know how to start.

The parts that were shot on NTSC Video are astonishing. Really jaw-dropping! The bits from film, on the other hand, look like someone forgot to turn off the motion smoothing on their new TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=DUwNi8DxdNc&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1diK-LDUbePLXchXO59JerZv6AdYKOd1gDFGpr9eo6blpPPWr1X-5SEEs

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I don’t know what to make of it. Some of it seems really good, some of it seems pretty bad. The choice of 60fps seems off to me – I guess they needed to IVTC to enhance it, but 24fps or 30fps, or even re-telecining it might feel less weird. Also, I feel I’d have to check to see if they’re using the best sources to begin with, and not overprocessing the image. And 4K is just plain silly for the final output resolution – a complete waste, even if it’s useful for Topaz to upscale to it as an intermediate resolution.

I dunno, I’d say it’s a promising technology showcase, but I’m not rushing to throw out my current copy. TL;DR wait and see.

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I’m no expert, but I remember reading the special was originally broadcast in interlaced 60fps, so deinterlaced 60fps would be the most faithful way to present it at higher resolutions.

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ifjg said:

I’m no expert, but I remember reading the special was originally broadcast in interlaced 60fps, so deinterlaced 60fps would be the most faithful way to present it at higher resolutions.

Agreed - things originally shot on NTSC video (60 fields per second) look the most faithful motion-wise, to me, in 60fps.

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Joel said:

Has everyone seen this?

A 60fps, AI-enhanced 4k Holiday Special appears to be in the works. I’ve been wanting to do a 60fps conversion but didn’t know how to start.

The parts that were shot on NTSC Video are astonishing. Really jaw-dropping! The bits from film, on the other hand, look like someone forgot to turn off the motion smoothing on their new TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=DUwNi8DxdNc&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1diK-LDUbePLXchXO59JerZv6AdYKOd1gDFGpr9eo6blpPPWr1X-5SEEs

That is where an edit would be good. Lift the shots from 4K77 and crop them to match the what was used.

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I guess telecined 24p film-based material was spliced into native 60i video material. I’m not sure how to make that look vaguely natural throughout except to keep it interlaced (well, deinterlace, process, and reinterlace). 60p messes with the 24p-sourced material, and 24p messes with the 60i-sourced material.

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CatBus said:

I guess telecined 24p film-based material was spliced into native 60i video material. I’m not sure how to make that look vaguely natural throughout except to keep it interlaced (well, deinterlace, process, and reinterlace). 60p messes with the 24p-sourced material, and 24p messes with the 60i-sourced material.

Yeah - maybe the solution is 3:2 pulldown (3 frames from one frame and 2 of the next) but not interpolated? Is there software that does that? I will investigate.

Maybe an upres of SWHS will be my next project. I’ll download a trial of Topaz AI and see.

Update

For those interested, I was able to convert the Editdroid ISO to 60fps with no interpolation via handbrake, then de-interlace/uprez via Topaz AI. The result is the original 3:2 pulldown with no motion smoothing/“soap opera effect,” but playing at 60fps at 2x the original resolution (1244x952). It looks soft, I think, because the original telecine is soft, but I will experiment with the various AI settings.

Preliminary (and encouraging!) trial run for approx 2 seconds of footage is here:
https://vimeo.com/658005579

Now the question is whether to buy Topaz AI, to which the answer is probably ‘yes.’

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[yotsuya said:]

That is where an edit would be good. Lift the shots from 4K77 and crop them to match the what was used.

It would be good resolution-wise, but there’s still the problem of how to get that footage to 60fps in high def without it looking “smoothed.”

EDIT Well, that was actually much easier than I’d expected.

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Not sure about the process, but a conversion to 60fps has already been done. Film shots look fine and it’s the best looking version of the special I’ve found overall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxtSX1lg8rE

Edit: Looks like this got linked earlier. Nevermind me then.

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ifjg said:

Not sure about the process, but a conversion to 60fps has already been done. Film shots look fine and it’s the best looking version of the special I’ve found overall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxtSX1lg8rE

Sheesh, I’d forgotten that exists. And you’re right, the film-sourced shots don’t suffer at all.

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Agreed. Something’s just wrong with how the 4K upscaled version handled it, I guess.

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FYI – my youngest son just voluntarily and without any prompting at all decided he wanted to watch the Holiday Special a few days ago. In fact, to be perfectly honest, there may have been a little bit of an attempt to dissuade him from this choice. Nevertheless, he not only stood by his choice, but watched the entire thing. When asked afterward, he reported that the Holiday Special was “weird” – I’m calling that a win, another fan is born!

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