Rogue One * Spoilers * Thread — Page 169

Oh I wasn’t responding to anyone directly, just talking out loud.

I watched the 4K HDR version on Disney+ and it was beautiful, would love to see it without all that compression.

Still tho, I just want all those damn deleted and alternate materials. Considering how long it took for some OT deleted scenes to release, it could be one hell of a wait still.

According to canon material, Raddus and his crew were the first Mon Calamari to join the Rebel Alliance, and they did so independently from the rest of their species. Most Mon Calamari, like Ackbar, were still focused on protecting their own home world. Also his ship, the Profundity, was a city-ship that was converted into a capital ship.

That’s the canon explanation I think, anyway.

Yeah. While I really like the idea of the rebellion being small and struggling and only really gaining wider support after their victory at Yavin, nothing in Rogue One is too hard to rationalize into the OT.

The Profundity and Admiral Raddus are the only Mon Cal bits we see in the rebellion at that point. While less romantic, it’s not hard to imagine (and perhaps more “realistic”) to think he leads a small band of Rebel sympathizers/supporters that are highly controversial on his home planet and his movement only gains wider Mon Cal support after Yavin. Heck, it’s obvious in the film that the Rebellion’s relationship with many planets/systems/cultures is very strained and tenuous. If I remember, don’t a number of the groups from the big debate scene where they’re deciding whether or not to raid Scariff storm off to go back to their homes rather than risk being more deeply involved in what’s about to happen?

That’s the impression I came away with, anyway: That the Rebellion was losing what little support it had as the debate over the Death Star drug on and then when Jyn and her crew go rogue (ha!) and head to Scariff without full support, its only the really die hards that either join the fight or stay at Yavin to see how it goes. The wafflers all tucked tail and ran.

ray_afraid said:

Where did the MonCalimari go during the battle of Yavin?

They were at home, washing their gills.

I don’t know that a deepfake would actually help because the problem with that scene is the way the mouth moves. Anything you deepfake over the underlying motion is going to have the same motion, isn’t it?

You’d have to basically just head-replace their head replacement.

Honestly, a fan-edit of Rogue One that really wanted to treat Leia properly and in the context of A New Hope following right after would KEEP HER HIDDEN entirely, and never show her beyond that one glimpse from the back. There was a reason Lucas waited to reveal who she was until so far into Star Wars. Having the Leia of that movie, the angry, rebellious, “lets get the mission finished first, whatever it takes” Leia, be revealed at the very end of Rogue One as a not-great special effect, all wet-eyed and smiling while talking about “hope” just doesn’t mesh at all, really.

I disagree, and that video is exactly what I was thinking of when I made my post - the face itself is better, but the second the mouth moves, it’s ruined, because it’s the same animation from the original, and that animation is bad.

Whatever you lay over the top of that animation is going to look wrong because the animation itself is wrong.

If I’m using the word “ruined” to describe an effect, we’re probably not in much agreement, haha 😃

The mouth is ruined. Honestly, the shot shouldn’t even BE there, because again, showing Leia (much less this shiny-eyed optimistic digital Leia) breaks continuity between Rogue One and Star Wars. Edwards only hints at her in the movie up until that point, and Lucas hides her for as long as he can in his movie. Interrupting all that with a big digital Leia smack in the middle of the handoff between the two is also, in its own way, sort of ruinous.

I think the only real way to fix that shot is to completely re-do it. Someone would have to re-animate the mouth.

why are you rewriting what I’m telling you and then trying to run that past me like I didn’t say what I said in the first place LOL? It’s all right there. I’m saying putting a deepfake over bad animation is pointless because it doesn’t fix the animation underneath it. Which is bad. That 2018 youtube video of a fan-made deepfake doesn’t make the animation better, and the fact he got Leia’s face closer to “correct” around the mouth doesn’t make the mouth move any better, and the mouth is why that shot doesn’t work.

If you’re arguing for “it’s still busted but it looks better” then you’re basically using the same rationale that allowed for the bad effect in the first place, because I guarantee “it’s still busted but that’s as good as we have for right now” is what allowed that shot to make the show.

I disagree that the deepfake helps. I don’t agree with you. We disagree.

LOL, I’m not upset with you, or upset in general. Just trying to be as clear as possible so as not to confuse things. I disagreed with you, and you kept telling me “no, we agree” and I wanted to make sure you understood that we don’t, and why we don’t.

There’s no anger here 😃 It’s fine that we disagree.

I don’t. It’s broken in a different way, but it’s still broken. The part that’s broken isn’t addressed by that guy’s fix from 2018, so everything around the part that’s broken is beside the point, for me.

Until someone can come up with a fix that makes her mouth move like a human being’s, it will remain a mistake that mars the final seconds of the film.

There are only two fixes to that scene that I would prefer

1. a re-edit that never goes into that bridge and leaves the camera outside the doors as they open and shut
2. completely re-doing the animation of the digital Leia so that she no longer lives in the uncanny valley.

Deepfaking new faces over bad animation is lipstick on a pig, to me.