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snooker said:

Is there any audience recording of Phantom Menace? Or does anyone who saw it in theaters remember the experience? When were the big ‘ooh’ or ‘ahh’ moments? Any cheering?

I saw it opening night. I was 19. I had waited my entire life for this thing.
Here are some highlights:
-Had a blast hanging out at the theater all day a month prior to buy tickets.
It was a full-on all day party. I could talk about that day at length. Wonderful.
-Indescribable excitement waiting in line. Lots of laughs and everyone was in top mood.
-HUGE cheer at the logo/fanfare which quickly faded to reverent silence as we began to read
-“OOH” when Maul appeared in the hologram
-Dumbstruck silence during many should-be “exciting” or “funny” moments (Jar-Jar, underwater city & escape, Naboo rescue & escape)
-Cheer when R2-D2 appears
-Off-put snickering at “YIPEE!”
-long stretches of what I call Dumbstruck Silence
-Excitement during the big lightsaber duel
-Literal groans, sighs and looks of gob-smacked disappointment on the way out
I clearly remember overhearing a guy in the parking lot say to his friend “well, it’s new. Maybe we just gotta, like, let it sink in, get used to it…”

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snooker said:

I don’t like to cast aspersions on the fans because I know you mean well, but what I have found is that ninety-nine percent of the Jar Jar Binks haters are failures at life. In essence, these haters are taking out their frustrations on Jar Jar. I don’t mean to be cruel, but we need to examine the facts. The most popular Star Wars collectibles are all Jar Jar-related. Now, the failures at life who have no money, no women, and no future will spend all day on the Internet talking about how they hate Jar Jar Binks. This is very sad. The Phantom Menace is one of the top five films of all time.

WTF?..

I probably hated Jar Jar at some stage, at least for a little while when I was younger. Not anymore, though I still find his character incredibly cringe inducing and unneeded in the story. Also the fact that we have Holdo and Rose now has had an elevating affect on Jar Jar 😉

Val

Edit: Ah I see you’ve directly quoted some random website, though without clearly indicating so for some reason…

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There is a snowstorm happening where I live in Northwest Indiana right now and it got me thinking …Why didn’t Luke just kill the Wampa and stay in its cave ? he could have had meat and shelter and a warm Wampa blanket . Maybe he could even have found some kindling in there and started a fire with his saber.

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Excellent question. I think the only reasonable answer is that he was pretty beat up and probably wasn’t thinking clearly. Just basic fight or flight instinct at that point.

Plus, how do we (or Luke) know that was the only wampa who lived there?

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But do Wampas taste like Chicken? 😛

As the cut scenes prove, where there’s one Wampa, there are more Wampas. I doubt any survival training Luke ever had on Tatooine covered cold climates.
We can also presume Luke’s Taun Taun was probably half eaten at that point.

Interesting Han has the survival smarts he probably learned long before joining the Rebellion.

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screams in the void said:

There is a snowstorm happening where I live in Northwest Indiana

You too, Screams? Lake, Porter, or LaPorte County? (Guessing one of the first two since it doesn’t seem to be too bad here in LaPorte County.)

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ChainsawAsh said:

screams in the void said:

There is a snowstorm happening where I live in Northwest Indiana

You too, Screams? Lake, Porter, or LaPorte County? (Guessing one of the first two since it doesn’t seem to be too bad here in LaPorte County.)

Porter .It pretty much let up now but Lake effect is supposed to happen later tonight . It’s unusual that we get more snow than Laporte though .Nice to meet a fellow region rat !

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screams in the void said:

ChainsawAsh said:

screams in the void said:

There is a snowstorm happening where I live in Northwest Indiana

You too, Screams? Lake, Porter, or LaPorte County? (Guessing one of the first two since it doesn’t seem to be too bad here in LaPorte County.)

Porter .It pretty much let up now but Lake effect is supposed to happen later tonight . It’s unusual that we get more snow than Laporte though .Nice to meet a fellow region rat !

Yeah, I’m happy I have the weekend off (I work in Portage). Supposed to be rough again tomorrow.

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A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away

But how long ago?
I’ve always imagined the OT to take place during Earth’s medieval period. I suppose because of the fairy tale nature of that opening line itself. To me, it somehow evokes castles and dragons and knights.
Whadda 'bout you?

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I imagine it was happening lightyears before, while Earth was still being created.

So one of these days we are gonna look up at the Stars and all in a flash see three deaths stars explode. And the saga will be over before anyone knows what just happened.

Maul- A Star Wars Story

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What do you guys think about the star wars fandom in general right now.

I love the members of this website but if you go elsewhere specifically YouTube its just a complete dumpster fire.

Its either clickbait from Mike Zeroh, #StarWarsDead, or “Disney/Kathleen Kennedy should be burned alive” videos. Besides the Vader fan film to me its all pretty embarrassing…

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The fandom is loathsome. Doesn’t matter if we’re talking about the anti-Disney or pro-Disney factions; it’s all despitefully vile.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

The fandom is loathsome. Doesn’t matter if we’re talking about the anti-Disney or pro-Disney factions; it’s all despitefully vile.

1000% Agreed

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SWOTFAN25 said:

What do you guys think about the star wars fandom in general right now.

I love the members of this website but if you go elsewhere specifically YouTube its just a complete dumpster fire.

Its either clickbait from Mike Zeroh, #StarWarsDead, or “Disney/Kathleen Kennedy should be burned alive” videos. Besides the Vader fan film to me its all pretty embarrassing…

Youtube has always been a Wretched Hive, moreso after The Last Jedi.

I have no hard data to back it up, but I fear that a lot of the toxicity around Star Wars right now is coming from my generation, the ones that grew up watching the OT on VHS and seeing the Prequels in theaters, people who are now in their thirties or forties. Because I can’t imagine people like my parents, children of the 60’s and 70’s, caring too much about what the Mouse House is doing with the franchise after the mess that GL had made, nor having the time to whine about it in YouTube comment sections. And it’s funny, because I had come to assume that the folks here at the OT forums were the nitpicky cantankerous grumps, whereas many who grew up enjoying the prequels would love the franchise no matter what.

But there are still places unaffected by the toxicity:

https://sleemo.com/

That’s one I visit whenever I feel like the criticism and toxicity becomes too much.

I realize now that there are certain ways in which I interpret the (soon to be) three trilogies which allow me to appreciate them. The Original Trilogy requires the least interpretation, mostly just stripping it of the later EU baggage so that the films can stand on their own as the works of art they are. The prequels I can appreciate on the level of theme and concept, stemming from the pulp anthropologist mind of George Lucas. The themes of corruption and allusions to the Roman Republic, wrapped in a stilted classic Hollywood style make these truly unique and valuable films.

Finally, I find I can really appreciate the ST for its high production values and the genuine love for Star Wars on display, centered around some genuinely excellent and magnetic characters. The weaknesses of the ST being an overreliance on coincidence and fan service make it feel like the most extravagant fan project of all time, which I think is why it’s so easy to fanedit - the trilogy itself is an evolving collaboration between fans of the series with naturally differing viewpoints, so what’s one more viewpoint in the mix?

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NeverarGreat said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

What do you guys think about the star wars fandom in general right now.

I love the members of this website but if you go elsewhere specifically YouTube its just a complete dumpster fire.

Its either clickbait from Mike Zeroh, #StarWarsDead, or “Disney/Kathleen Kennedy should be burned alive” videos. Besides the Vader fan film to me its all pretty embarrassing…

Youtube has always been a Wretched Hive, moreso after The Last Jedi.

I have no hard data to back it up, but I fear that a lot of the toxicity around Star Wars right now is coming from my generation, the ones that grew up watching the OT on VHS and seeing the Prequels in theaters, people who are now in their thirties or forties. Because I can’t imagine people like my parents, children of the 60’s and 70’s, caring too much about what the Mouse House is doing with the franchise after the mess that GL had made, nor having the time to whine about it in YouTube comment sections. And it’s funny, because I had come to assume that the folks here at the OT forums were the nitpicky cantankerous grumps, whereas many who grew up enjoying the prequels would love the franchise no matter what.

But there are still places unaffected by the toxicity:

https://sleemo.com/

That’s one I visit whenever I feel like the criticism and toxicity becomes too much.

I realize now that there are certain ways in which I interpret the (soon to be) three trilogies which allow me to appreciate them. The Original Trilogy requires the least interpretation, mostly just stripping it of the later EU baggage so that the films can stand on their own as the works of art they are. The prequels I can appreciate on the level of theme and concept, stemming from the pulp anthropologist mind of George Lucas. The themes of corruption and allusions to the Roman Republic, wrapped in a stilted classic Hollywood style make these truly unique and valuable films.

Finally, I find I can really appreciate the ST for its high production values and the genuine love for Star Wars on display, centered around some genuinely excellent and magnetic characters. The weaknesses of the ST being an overreliance on coincidence and fan service make it feel like the most extravagant fan project of all time, which I think is why it’s so easy to fanedit - the trilogy itself is an evolving collaboration between fans of the series with naturally differing viewpoints, so what’s one more viewpoint in the mix?

Very well stated. Its mostly just horrible internet culture to blame. Where its just so easy and fun for people to hate and scapegoat everything. Nobody can formulate their own solid arguments or opinions and its all about GroupThink. People feel more empowered when they can band together and point their finger at a common “enemy”.

Its just this aspect of human nature is so dramatized with the internet it becomes kind of sickening. There’s the prequel generation, and then the even younger generation who are complete sheep and victims to internet culture.

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SWOTFAN25 said:

its all about GroupThink. People feel more empowered when they can band together and point their finger at a common “enemy”.

Please tell me I’m not the only one who sees the irony in this statement given the context of the conversation?

Personally I reached a point a while back (probably around the time fan preservations of the OOT began surpassing official release quality) where I don’t really care about the “fandom”. I enjoy the Star Wars I like, dismiss the Star Wars’s I don’t, and ignore all the hate and vitriol online.

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canofhumdingers said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

its all about GroupThink. People feel more empowered when they can band together and point their finger at a common “enemy”.

I enjoy the Star Wars I like, dismiss the Star Wars’s I don’t, and ignore all the hate and vitriol online.

You fool! You’ll never get enough subscribers / monetise content / achieve ‘youtube fame & power’ with this attitude 😉

You must put out repetitive negative output - regardless of facts, research or balance. Misleading clickbait alongside anger & outrage, keywords and phrases which will trigger comments and ‘debate’, creating and continually highlighting differences between ‘them and us’ and gain like-minded followers… these aspects are all far more important anyway!

Be the vocally toxic / repeatedly negative online minority!

(that few outside of youtube or associated social media channels & blogs have like heard of 😉 )

 

SWOTFAN25 - Seriously (just for a moment)… there are some great, intriguing, informative, insightful and fun sites, blogs, podcasts and video channels etc out there - to cater for many tastes and outlooks - though probably won’t be appearing in many youtube ‘recommendations’ lists.

These days it seems the old ways of a fellow fan recommending something (like Neverar has above with sleemo.com - cheers man 😃) is the way forward for finding quality outlets that may appeal - if not for yourself, then for a friend or colleague who may be interested etc. Screams has an ‘internet rabbit holes’ thread which may be interest to some for this type of thing, as well as the ‘FAQ & Info links’ section of the ‘An Index Thread for General Star Wars Discussion’ thread.
 

It’s just anecdotal… though for me and other mates who are sci-fi fans… our non-youtubing, browse-the-internet-occasionally friends and colleagues - who may have a facebook page still to upload dog/kid pics… have little-to-no idea about online divisions in Trek, or Star Wars, or GamerGate, or Comicgate, or whatever else people are angry about their entertainment.

They’re likely just looking for the next Trek / SW / Marvel / new or hyped franchise content - will go watch it, probably enjoy it overall and go to the next one - all without registering their views online (well, maybe an 'I liked it, ‘it was okay’ or ‘didn’t enjoy it’ type post).
 

A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…

Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com | Introduce yourself in here | Useful info within : About : Help : Site Rules : Fan Project Rules : Announcements
How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + FAQs - includes info on how to search for projects and threads on the OT•com

A Project Index for Star Wars Preservations (Harmy’s Despecialized & 4K77/80/83 etc) : A Project Index for Star Wars Fan Edits (adywan & Hal 9000 etc)

… and take your time to look around this site before posting - to get a feel for this place. Don’t just lazily make yet another thread asking for projects.

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There’s no arguing the fandom is divided into numerous factions. The difference between here and Reddit/YouTube is we debate instead of scream.

All of us understand that liking or disliking the ST doesn’t make you a bad person. It’s just differences in taste, and we then tell others why we feel the way we do. Often times I have gotten a better understanding on the other side.

And I simply do not get the people who “hate” the new films or the prequels. Maybe the special editions because they took away the proper OT. But at the end of the day they are just movies and they aren’t for everyone. Don’t get too riled up by all this.

Watching these clickbait channels it’s ridiculous how someone can actually be toxic. I feel bad for Rian, even though I dislike his movie he has been under attack for the last year by a toxic fanbase.

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Star Wars is a buffet, enjoy the stuff you want, and leave the rest. 😃

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OutboundFlight said:

I imagine it was happening lightyears before, while Earth was still being created.

Ooh… That’s cool stuff!

DuracellEnergizer said:

OutboundFlight said:

I imagine it was happening lightyears before, while Earth was still being created.

That’s not how light-years work!

😛

JEDIT: that’s a gross face. Sorry Duragizer. You didn’t deserve that.

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SilverWook said:

Star Wars is a buffet, enjoy the stuff you want, and leave the rest. 😃

Yeah, man!
I never even see much of the “vitriol” I read so much about here. Probably because I don’t watch those types of videos, so youtube doesn’t suggest em to me.
But, I suppose that’s easier for me than some as I’ve been out of the mainline fandom since 2001ish, so I’m not watching videos about star wars… I’d probably see more from both sides if I did.
I think it’s important to remember that it’s ok for other people to hate what you love. Don’t let nobody ruin your good stuff. That’s your good stuff. Screw em if they don’t dig it. Create good stuff content. Be a good stuff person. That’s winning. Why waste all your time being a bad stuff person? Complaining about bad stuff. Creating content for bad stuff. Losing.
On the other hand, it can be therapeutic to vent about things you don’t like. I still love the RLM Plinkett reviews of the PT. It was like all my thoughts and feelings nicely laid out and presented creatively by a funny character. But the criticisms were directed at the film making, not at the use of women and humans that aren’t of strictly European decent. Which is, from what I gather, what many of the criticisms of these new films are rooted in. And that’s stupid and ugly.
Did ya read the whole thing? My entire rambling write-up?
Your boy’s been drinkin’.

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JEDIT: I linked to a video I uploaded with some SW and OT.com thoughts, but I’m going to give it another shot later because it was a bit rambling.