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I will point out, and it’s one thing he doesn’t address in the space battle video… I do hate how, in TLJ slow speed chase, they made the First Order turbo laser fire arc through space like it’s a WW2 battleship lobbing shells across the ocean. It just feels wrong in space.

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Most Star Wars physics flies in the face of real space travel anyway. I was actually surprised we saw an X-Wing rotate like a Starfury on Babylon 5.

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Without them showing it there’d be no point to ever using fighters at all. Torpedoes on the other hand…

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Yeah, no, like I said, I really enjoyed his video analyzing the concepts of “Star Wars physics” space battles. And it actually all makes sense (which kinda blows my mind!) in-universe.

But the visual of laser bolts arcing through outer space just LOOKS wrong, even in “Star Wars physics”. Most Star Wars special effects to this point try to make things look and feel “right” or “realistic (enough…)” to us as the audience, regardless of what real physics says would happen.

And for me, seeing energy bolts arc through space like a cannon ball from a pirate ship just looks and feels wrong, deep down in my core.

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The sheer amount of people who have hate for TLJ baffle me sometimes. And the fact that I want to be accepted makes me question my opinion of TLJ.

Also I don’t like people who take Star Wars quotes and change them to try and be relevant. For example, “You refer to the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force. You believe it’s this…editor?” - Jeremy Jahns from the trailer for Ivan Ortega’s edit of TLJ. It’s just annoying and I don’t like it, dang it.

After being beaten and battered by prequel hate, I promise not to be that to the next generation.

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dgraham414 said:

The sheer amount of people who have hate for TLJ baffle me sometimes. And the fact that I want to be accepted makes me question my opinion of TLJ.

Also I don’t like people who take Star Wars quotes and change them to try and be relevant. For example, “You refer to the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force. You believe it’s this…editor?” - Jeremy Jahns from the trailer for Ivan Ortega’s edit of TLJ. It’s just annoying and I don’t like it, dang it.

To me it seems the people who actually hate TLJ are quite small in number - though are somewhat vocal and repetitive with that hate - across the various media platforms. (a few have seemingly done quite well out of it too).

Obviously there are more that just don’t like the film overall, or certain aspects of it - which is fair enough.

Many fans also seem to enjoy it - though probably aren’t as vocal a year on from it’s release, or looking to monetise / improve or hold onto their ‘fame’ / clicks / subscribers etc on the back of it. The internet at times can have that ability to distort reality…
 

As for Ivan Ortega’s TLJ Edit, seems many of the scenes he claims to have improved upon have already been done in the 20 or so various TLJ Edits already available on here - all freely available (as long as you own TLJ on blu ray or digital) - and without profiting from having released an Edit or endangering the fan editing community through that avarice.
 

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Thing is, most people probably like it and moved on to the next blockbuster or the other dozens of releases that came out in the last 12 months. I doubt mass audiences care enough or have the energy to keep so much internet noise going.

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I don’t have an issue with arcing lasers, but that’s probably because it happens in a movie where shield strength is clearly and visibly localized. I imagine that arcing the plasma to hit a part of the ship even slightly forward from the absolute back of the ship would require the target to shield a larger area and in so doing drain the shields more quickly.

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NeverarGreat said:

I don’t have an issue with arcing lasers, but that’s probably because it happens in a movie where shield strength is clearly and visibly localized. I imagine that arcing the plasma to hit a part of the ship even slightly forward from the absolute back of the ship would require the target to shield a larger area and in so doing drain the shields more quickly.

Hey, I hadn’t thought of that. I’ll go with it. The visual still “feels” wrong to my brain (since to lob something in that manner normally requires gravity…), but that justification helps out. If I’m not bothered by the details of how other tech (lightsabers, hyperdrives, shields) in Star Wars works, why should it matter how exactly they can make energy bolts curve through space? I just hadn’t thought about it being a “curve ball” as opposed to a “hail-Mary long shot”. Nice.

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fmalover said:

The Star Wars franchise has been inconsistent in their portrayal of Dark Side corruption.

In the OT the only instances of Dark Side corruption are Vader and the Emperor, with both having very pale skin, and in the Emperor’s case in particular, yellow eyes. Later we meet Darth Maul, who has the yellow eyes characteristic of the Dark Side, but retained his youthful appearance throughout the twenty years leading up to the Battle of Yavin. Count Dooku shows no signs of Dark Side corruption implying his fall to the dark side has been relatively recent or he doesn’t draw from the Dark Side as much as others do. ROTS really screws up the whole notion of Dark Side corruption by revealing the reason Palpatine looks the way he does in the OT is because of Mace Windu deflecting the Force lightning back at him (I always assumed it was because of his many years immersed in the Dark Side), and finally we have Anakin Skywalker whose eyes only turn yellow when he’s really angry or something. Finally we have Snoke and Kylo Ren, with Snoke looking very old and decrepit but doesn’t have yellow eyes even though he’s established to be a longtime practitioner of the Dark Side, and Kylo Ren who been a Dark Side practitioner for at least ten years yet doesn’t show the slightest hint of Dark Side corruption.

This franchise seriously can’t make up its mind regarding the whole dark side corruption subject.

FWIW, my headcanon is that Palpatine has been alive as long as Yoda using the Force. In fact, I guess Yoda’s probably alive that way too, albeit for more selfless reasons.

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Didn’t he need to produce a birth certificate to become Chancellor? That should have raised a few flags!

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Anakin Starkiller said:

fmalover said:

The Star Wars franchise has been inconsistent in their portrayal of Dark Side corruption.

In the OT the only instances of Dark Side corruption are Vader and the Emperor, with both having very pale skin, and in the Emperor’s case in particular, yellow eyes. Later we meet Darth Maul, who has the yellow eyes characteristic of the Dark Side, but retained his youthful appearance throughout the twenty years leading up to the Battle of Yavin. Count Dooku shows no signs of Dark Side corruption implying his fall to the dark side has been relatively recent or he doesn’t draw from the Dark Side as much as others do. ROTS really screws up the whole notion of Dark Side corruption by revealing the reason Palpatine looks the way he does in the OT is because of Mace Windu deflecting the Force lightning back at him (I always assumed it was because of his many years immersed in the Dark Side), and finally we have Anakin Skywalker whose eyes only turn yellow when he’s really angry or something. Finally we have Snoke and Kylo Ren, with Snoke looking very old and decrepit but doesn’t have yellow eyes even though he’s established to be a longtime practitioner of the Dark Side, and Kylo Ren who been a Dark Side practitioner for at least ten years yet doesn’t show the slightest hint of Dark Side corruption.

This franchise seriously can’t make up its mind regarding the whole dark side corruption subject.

FWIW, my headcanon is that Palpatine has been alive as long as Yoda using the Force. In fact, I guess Yoda’s probably alive that way too, albeit for more selfless reasons.

Funny. That was my headcanon, too. I imagined he utilized a combination of unnatural de-aging techniques and body swapping to get the job done.

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I’ve noticed that in both TFA and TLJ the end themes don’t have the final bars from the previous movies and use a different musical cue (Rogue One does retain it). Is there a reason for that?

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The recent In Space! episode of Teen Titans Go! poked a lot of fun at Star Wars, (and even more at Star Trek) especially the prequels. Cyborg was seen wearing an I prefer the originals t-shirt at one point.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

fmalover said:

The Star Wars franchise has been inconsistent in their portrayal of Dark Side corruption.

In the OT the only instances of Dark Side corruption are Vader and the Emperor, with both having very pale skin, and in the Emperor’s case in particular, yellow eyes. Later we meet Darth Maul, who has the yellow eyes characteristic of the Dark Side, but retained his youthful appearance throughout the twenty years leading up to the Battle of Yavin. Count Dooku shows no signs of Dark Side corruption implying his fall to the dark side has been relatively recent or he doesn’t draw from the Dark Side as much as others do. ROTS really screws up the whole notion of Dark Side corruption by revealing the reason Palpatine looks the way he does in the OT is because of Mace Windu deflecting the Force lightning back at him (I always assumed it was because of his many years immersed in the Dark Side), and finally we have Anakin Skywalker whose eyes only turn yellow when he’s really angry or something. Finally we have Snoke and Kylo Ren, with Snoke looking very old and decrepit but doesn’t have yellow eyes even though he’s established to be a longtime practitioner of the Dark Side, and Kylo Ren who been a Dark Side practitioner for at least ten years yet doesn’t show the slightest hint of Dark Side corruption.

This franchise seriously can’t make up its mind regarding the whole dark side corruption subject.

FWIW, my headcanon is that Palpatine has been alive as long as Yoda using the Force. In fact, I guess Yoda’s probably alive that way too, albeit for more selfless reasons.

I’ve always seen Yoda, Obi-Wan, the Emperor and Vader as all being much older than they seem.
Gives reason for the galaxy not believing in the force anymore if that all happened much longer ago.
If there were Jedis running around the galaxy 18 years before the OT, I just don’t buy that every one forgot.

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There could have been a lot of Imperial propaganda, censorship, and persecution of anyone talking or teaching about certain historical topics in those 18 years. People who remember or saw the Jedi in their prime know it’s better to keep their mouths shut. We see on Tatooine there are local spies and informants at work.

Luke knows about the Clone Wars, but seems to never have heard of Jedi or the Force. Unless Uncle Owen has been working overtime editing his nephew’s history books. 😉

There are probably several fatal altercations a week in the Mos Eisley cantina, (we see three in the space of half an hour in movie universe time) but the only one we see someone get the local troopers to check out is the one involving an old guy whipping out a lightsaber. Han is certainly in no hurry to leave after shooting Greedo.

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I agree with all that, especially about the propaganda and history editing, but I still feel we need to be in the 3rd decade of Imperial rule when A New Hope begins. Obviously the conception of Luke n’ Leia was still 18ish years prior, but I like to think the Jedi were wiped out and the Emperor took control much longer before ANH than the PT depicts.
Just my personal cannon. Feel free to hate me for it. 😉

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Nah, what ever works for you, it’s all good. 😃

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Saw Logan Lucky this weekend, fun southern-fried movie. Adam Driver’s character in that movie is an Iraq War veteran missing one hand, which is no doubt a reference to Kylo Ren’s relatives Anakin and Luke.

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Important question…

In ROTJ does Grey Leader die then re-appear during the finale?

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Mocata said:

Important question…

In ROTJ does Grey Leader die then re-appear during the finale?

Possible, as they may have shot the ending before deciding which pilots to blow up. Or it’s another actor wearing the uniform and they didn’t alter the details?
But are we talking OT or SE version? The SE added a lot of shots to the Endor celebration. Some of those are obviously alternate angles or takes, but the shots of rebels and Ewoks celebrating on the ground might be 1997 footage.

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SilverWook said:

Mocata said:

Important question…

In ROTJ does Grey Leader die then re-appear during the finale?

But are we talking OT or SE version?

Now now…

Okay so I’m pretty hung over and we watched ROTJ and 2am in a haze of booze. This is my life. But! What I mean is that he dies when like when a bunch of them are killed, and then after some more throne room antics they cut back to the pilots heading for the superstructure - I’m sure he’s alive again for a second. Then Wedge says “good shot Red 2” but it’s a Y-Wing?

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Mocata said:

SilverWook said:

Mocata said:

Important question…

In ROTJ does Grey Leader die then re-appear during the finale?

But are we talking OT or SE version?

Now now…

Okay so I’m pretty hung over and we watched ROTJ and 2am in a haze of booze. This is my life. But! What I mean is that he dies when like when a bunch of them are killed, and then after some more throne room antics they cut back to the pilots heading for the superstructure - I’m sure he’s alive again for a second. Then Wedge says “good shot Red 2” but it’s a Y-Wing?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Two_(Battle_of_Endor)
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_Leader

Without having the movie in front of me, I’d speculate that the editors used a different shot of the same pilot and thought nobody would notice. Just like they thought nobody would notice all the stock Tie Pilot cockpit shots from Episode IV, or previously unused footage of Imperials running through Death Star corridors.

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Jeez what a mess. Imagine being the EU writer trying to cover over all the cracks.