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DZ-330 said:

It’s nothing more than a cheap fake out and stupid way to remove Leia from the story so Admiral Gender Studies can take over. It would be much more powerful if Leia took out Snoke’s ship and Luke visited her there instead.

‘Admiral Gender Studies’? What? Knock it off.

Try and learn the character’s name - you’ll find it quicker and easier to type that out than the crap you typed there.

If you have an issue or question about it then feel free to PM me.
 

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I apologize for the comment. It just irritates me so much that they were more concerned with pushing an agenda through Holdo in this movie than keeping Leia in the leadership role throughout the movie.

It’s quite sad that it has been 30 years since these characters were in a movie together and they couldn’t all get one scene together, or have a story where they were actually successful, and that is because Disney is more concerned about pushing them out and pushing an agenda with characters than it is telling a focused, clear and consise story, and anyone who does not like it is a racist or “man-baby” to quote R.J.

The Last Jedi is on course to be the most fanedited Star Wars film because of this. Taking out these agenda-driven moments makes for a better film as you can interpret how you want to. Most people tend to cut Canto Bight which is only there to preach about animal rights and that war suppliers are bad, which is why Hal’s Canto Bight is so much better! These scenes feel very out of place in Star Wars movies. The movies are supposed to be about fun and adventure.

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I fundamentally disagree with everything you’ve just said.

I don’t believe that Rian sat down in 2015 thinking to himself “How can I push my agenda” like some evil moustache twirling cartoon villain. He made the best movie that he could and he’s happy with how it turned out.

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Fair point about Rose’s line prior to Canto Bight; I cut it because it seemed like an introduction to a character thread that wouldn’t be played out. But, you are right that it can still contextualize parts of the story which otherwise seem to come out of nowhere.

I am enjoying TLJ more and more as I have digested it, though I shared many of the same knee-jerk reactions to it as a fanboy. Even while I was in that early mindset, the female-ness of the movie would not have bothered me at all if it were the only “problem” with the movie.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Hal 9000 said:

So, no, I like the titles as they are. If I had to retitle them all…

Episode I - CLOAK OF DECEPTION
Episode II - THE APPROACHING STORM
Episode III - LABYRINTH OF EVIL
Episode IV - REBEL DAWN
Episode V - SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE
Episode VI - ???
Episode VII - THE FORCE UNLEASHED
Episode VIII - LEGACY OF THE JEDI

Episode VI - FORCE OF DESTINY

or

Episode VI - THRONE OF DECEIT

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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I had more of an issue with the narrative’s use of Holdo in the plot than with the character herself. (Always loved Laura Dern.)

I found that I couldn’t fully buy into Poe being demoted, so Holdo’s role didn’t seem as essential as it should have.

If he had not destroyed the Dreadnaught, the laser canon on that sucker would have destroyed the Raddus for sure, even while it was such a distance away.

It also felt jarring that it seemed as if Holdo might have been a spy, but then she ends up as a hero. It just felt like subversion for the sake of subversion to me.

That said, I thought that angle might have been interesting and served the plot better if Paige Tico (who was portrayed as dying a Heroic Martyr’s death,) had actually been a 1st order spy, and actually betrayed the resistance. (by giving the 1st order the frequency of the resistance’ bombers shields or something.)

That way, Holdo appears to be a spy but is actually a hero, while someone who appears to be a hero (Paige) actually wasn’t one. It would have played well with helping the audience to see Luke’s whole change in perspective about the dangers of blindly venerating one’s heroes.

just my opinion

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Thought I would post this here: https://youtu.be/27UVRDqiqak

This video illustrates why I have some worries about the radical slash-and-burn approach you’ve taken to Canto Bight. I haven’t seen your workprint, but how do you think Finn’s arc plays with the approach you’ve taken?

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I guess I’d prefer a movie with a greater chance of working upon first viewing over one you come to reluctantly appreciate after a Twitter thread points out how a sequence is thematically relevant.
Doesn’t give me more pause than a ring theory article about the underwater Gungan quest at the start of TPM.

Finn’s arc is intact enough, though Rose’s is mercifully cut down a little. I think it all hangs together well enough. I’m glad you showed me that, though, as part of the vetting process.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Hal 9000 said:

Here’s a slight tweak. I didn’t actually remove any audio, just brought it down a little as I add an additional sound effect over top and use rear tracks to smooth out the music volume.

https://vimeo.com/269396140
password: fanedit

Much better. I didn’t realize how much this bothered me until I realized how wrong the sound effect was.

“The Ziggy Edit” — A Conceptual Fanedit of Return of the Jedi

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-The-Ziggy-Edit/id/17844

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Notes on the workprint, which I finally watched today:

  • Hux joke is as good as it’s gonna get, I think
  • Still hate the milking scene
  • Something really needs to be done with Space Leia…
  • Chewie eating Porgs edit is exactly how I would cut it, it works wonderfully
  • Luke and Artoo edit is seamless, love it
  • Trims to Finn and Rose’s first scenes work great too
  • I think you might be able to cut straight from Rose’s “But who knows where the breaker room is on a Star Destroyer?” to Poe’s “Give it to me again,” bypassing the “guy who used to mop it” comment (I’m still not a fan of the Finn being a janitor backstory and it really doesn’t matter, he was a stormtrooper so there shouldn’t be a question of how he knows)
  • I think Maz’s sex joke can be cut without losing anything
  • Caretaker removal is flawless. Great work Snooker!
  • Still think the reed joke should stay, but I can’t deny the scene still works with it gone
  • Agree with others who’ve said that the specific references to amount of fuel left (“18 hours” etc.) should be cut to make it seem like the movie takes place over a somewhat longer time span
  • Think you need to keep more of Rose’s description of Canto Bight to Finn before they land, it feels abrupt
  • Otherwise, the cutting down of Canto Bight works well, though I think a little bit of restructuring may be in order to address the pacing of intercutting between stories with so much of it gone now. I think restructuring will already be necessary when adding the Luke Has a Moment scene anyway, which could have a ripple effect when you get to the Canto Bight part anyway.
  • Has someone suggested adding foley between the two shots of DJ in the cell when he has his collar up in one but down the next?
  • PLEASE don’t reinstate the cowl line, it works so much better without it!
  • Maybe add a wipe transition after “Live free, don’t join”? The movie is a bit light on them as it is, and transitioning to the fleet like that seems like a good spot for one.
  • Please cut the iron gag. It makes me groan every time, and not in a good/endearing way.
  • The small trim in the Rey’s parentage reveal scene is welcome and quite seamless
  • Something must be done about BB-8 in the AT-ST…
  • LOVE the new placement of the Yoda scene! Maybe use a wipe to transition to Crait after it?
  • Maybe cut the Poe foot gag in the Crait assault sequence? Felt very prequel-y to me.
  • Not sure how much of Finn’s suicide run you cut, but it felt right to me
  • I’m very okay with the loss of Rose’s “saving what we love” line
  • I still don’t like Luke’s shoulder brush moment
  • I think broom boy works fine, even without showing him earlier at Canto Bight, but I’m still not a fan of the “decoder ring”

Overall I liked it a lot, but think it didn’t quite go far enough in some areas. I think when losing so much of Canto Bight, you need to restructure more liberally and add some of Finn’s act one deleted scenes and, if it can be polished adequately, the Finn/Rose shuttle scene as they escape the Star Destroyer. And I still think restructuring is necessary anyway if you plan to use the Luke Has a Moment scene, which the early Finn scenes might help out.

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ChainsawAsh said:

Notes on the workprint, which I finally watched today:

Excellent; thank you for doing so.

  • Hux joke is as good as it’s gonna get, I think

Agreed. Hopefully it threads the needle.

  • Still hate the milking scene

Still love it. Ties in with the ‘harmony with nature’ theme as seen in the crystal foxes later. Also perhaps ties in weirdly with the sexual undertones of the movie. Also shows Luke regressing back to drinking weird colored milk. It’s a great bit of bizarre body image stuff that Star Wars is good for. (Looking at you, Sarlacc.)

  • Something really needs to be done with Space Leia…

Nothing I’ve seen done feels like an improvement to me. I wish she weren’t frozen in place; I think that might have looked better. But, it’s our final opportunity to see Leia use the Force in a tangible way, and I don’t hate the scene.

  • Chewie eating Porgs edit is exactly how I would cut it, it works wonderfully

Very good.

  • Luke and Artoo edit is seamless, love it

I see what the line is going for, but it’s pretty blunt.

  • Trims to Finn and Rose’s first scenes work great too

I’m iffy on it, since it seems slightly odd for Finn to volunteer “I’m not a Resistance hero” when Rose merely implied she was surprised to see him. I think it works well enough, though, keeping his “big deal” ego at play, giving him some room to grow by the end of the movie. Worth it to remove Rose’s “The Office” line which felt (explicitly, according to RJ) out of place in a Star Wars movie. A lot of Rose’s stuff like this has been cut, so it feels congruent with the rest of the edit to do so here.

  • I think you might be able to cut straight from Rose’s “But who knows where the breaker room is on a Star Destroyer?” to Poe’s “Give it to me again,” bypassing the “guy who used to mop it” comment (I’m still not a fan of the Finn being a janitor backstory and it really doesn’t matter, he was a stormtrooper so there shouldn’t be a question of how he knows)

Eh. I guess it makes sense not to have had Finn be experienced in combat with the First Order, considering how quickly he changes sides and has no qualms killing his own people. Makes more sense he was sweeping the place and internally loathing what was going on around him but just keeping his head down.

  • I think Maz’s sex joke can be cut without losing anything

And lose the one good thing about the scene? In the theater I said to myself, “This scene is going if I can at all help it.” But, it seems to contain important information and needs to remain. If it’s in there, the one thing I enjoyed about it must also. Besides, more sex stuff in a fairly sexual (for a Star Wars movie) Star Wars movie.

  • Caretaker removal is flawless. Great work Snooker!

Agreed; that visual FX shot was the ticket. The audio was very tricky to get right, so I am glad it works as well as it seems to. The Caretakers don’t seem to have a purpose in the final cut without that deleted scene, and are just there for some yucks.

  • Still think the reed joke should stay, but I can’t deny the scene still works with it gone

Agreed; it’s already been reinstated.

  • Agree with others who’ve said that the specific references to amount of fuel left (“18 hours” etc.) should be cut to make it seem like the movie takes place over a somewhat longer time span

I’ll look at this. I can only think of two instances when this is mentioned: right as Finn and Rose leave the fleet, and when they are in their cell.

  • Think you need to keep more of Rose’s description of Canto Bight to Finn before they land, it feels abrupt

Yes, already been done as well. Initially, I wanted to remove the implication that we’d be getting follow-up about her line. However, we sort of do from DJ as he gives Finn the facts of life.

  • Otherwise, the cutting down of Canto Bight works well, though I think a little bit of restructuring may be in order to address the pacing of intercutting between stories with so much of it gone now. I think restructuring will already be necessary when adding the Luke Has a Moment scene anyway, which could have a ripple effect when you get to the Canto Bight part anyway.

I just took some time to map out the scenes, and I don’t see how reordering sequences would help, unless you have something specific in mind. While I do still plan to use the ‘Luke has a moment’ deleted scene, I do not plan on cutting directly to Leia afterward as was originally intended by RJ.

  • Has someone suggested adding foley between the two shots of DJ in the cell when he has his collar up in one but down the next?

No, and I reeeeaaaaallllllly don’t care, but if someone does and has a fitting sound effect I could drop in, I guess I will.

  • PLEASE don’t reinstate the cowl line, it works so much better without it!

All right, fine. The people have spoken, but I’ll only do it because the point about her being uncomfortable is still made by her body language.

  • Maybe add a wipe transition after “Live free, don’t join”? The movie is a bit light on them as it is, and transitioning to the fleet like that seems like a good spot for one.

Not a bad idea, but it will depend on whether I can do so without shortening the transition by looping footage or something. We’ll give it a try, at least. I do like this idea.

  • Please cut the iron gag. It makes me groan every time, and not in a good/endearing way.

I’ll see what I can do. I like the gag, but it does contribute to that uncanny feeling that something is wrong in Star Wars.

  • The small trim in the Rey’s parentage reveal scene is welcome and quite seamless

Good; I’m not trying to alter anything, but it seems like that detail muddies the water unnecessarily. Without it, it seems like they sold of Rey in order to leave the planet and carouse.

  • Something must be done about BB-8 in the AT-ST…

Yeah… yeah. I’m not sure what can be, though. With the film being given the Hal9000 treatment up to this point, perhaps its more palatable. I did leave in BB8’s gag during the opening battle with the circuit breaker in order to gently set up that he’s going to be somewhat cartoony, since we see him gag and bind guards and hijack an AT-ST later.

  • LOVE the new placement of the Yoda scene! Maybe use a wipe to transition to Crait after it?

I think a straight cut is preferable here, especially since it’s a bit tight as it is. I also love the new placement for this scene; seems like the obvious place to put it.

  • Maybe cut the Poe foot gag in the Crait assault sequence? Felt very prequel-y to me.

Eh. Never minded it. What I would much rather have been able to cut seamlessly was the “big ass door” line. Argh!

  • Not sure how much of Finn’s suicide run you cut, but it felt right to me

You can thank noodle_flinger on Reddit for that one, as he did it first, and I merely replicated it, though tweaked it slightly. Helps cut down on that “subverting your expectations” thing a little.

  • I’m very okay with the loss of Rose’s “saving what we love” line

Me too, now that the music is handled seamlessly. It’s all there; it just starts earlier. 😃

  • I still don’t like Luke’s shoulder brush moment

I still love it. What little of “badass Luke” we get shouldn’t be diminished.

  • I think broom boy works fine, even without showing him earlier at Canto Bight, but I’m still not a fan of the “decoder ring”

I can agree with that. I’ll see what I can do, but I imagine what would have to be done to remove it would feel weird. As it is, the kids are just big Star Wars fans. They even have old memorabilia, similar to Rey in TFA.

Overall I liked it a lot, but think it didn’t quite go far enough in some areas. I think when losing so much of Canto Bight, you need to restructure more liberally and add some of Finn’s act one deleted scenes and, if it can be polished adequately, the Finn/Rose shuttle scene as they escape the Star Destroyer. And I still think restructuring is necessary anyway if you plan to use the Luke Has a Moment scene, which the early Finn scenes might help out.

I was not planning to restructure anything in order to use Luke’s moment scene, and I don’t see how moving any scenes around would help the Canto Bight plot. If you do have something specific in mind, let me know, though. The Canto Bight plot was a very large, episodic digression during the first half of the second act. With it trimmed down and becoming less of a complete loop in its own right, the film seems to progress more smoothly (better pacing I guess you’d call it). I like the way the Luke and Rey scenes are clustered, so I don’t see merit to shaking these up.
Thanks for taking the time to give me some great feedback!

My stance on revising fan edits.

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No problem! My restructuring ideas are pretty contingent on adding in more deleted scenes than you intend to, and a lot of my wanting to do that is to give Finn a bit more of a presence in the film, especially with cutting Canto Bight.

I’ll have to think about my structural ideas a bit more, but once I have something to share when it comes to that, I certainly will.

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Worked this time. And yes, it looks like it was always like that! Very happy it worked out so well. 😃

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I think it works, especially with the door sound kind of “masking” the music shift.