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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (SPOILERS)

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UPDATE Feb 2020:
“My life is a nonstop, day-in and day-out stamina challenge and every day is full to the brim. I’ve got a lot on my plate and I’m exhausted across the board. And it’s not gonna change anytime soon.

I would find it personally liberating to sort of dis-commit to this project for now. I will get the disc ripped when it comes out and might be able to mess around here and there, but the project management and time involved in the whole thing would be overwhelming to me the way things are now. There would be weeks at times between opportunities to sit down and do any kind of meaningful editing work.

It would be much better for me to act more in a contributor role for this sort of thing, and I’d be happy especially to make particular changes and ensure the audio is done as well as I can get it. But it would be a big ask, I’m finding, to get me to see this through the way I have in the past.

I know morale is rightfully low about this movie, but unless anyone else wants to helm this I am going to do myself the favor of not promising anything in advance and seeing how it goes. I’m not already attached to a particular view for this movie or have any earworms for specific changes, so that’ll make this easier to set down or to accept a version from someone else.

I’ll finish up ROTJ since I’ve got it virtually complete beyond sprucing up the new video source with some help from Sir Ridley and/or DrDre and plugging it in. (And TFA:R v4 since it’s almost done, of course.)

I’m usually someone who gets possessed of an idea and follows through, but life’s circumstances are hell-bent against it, it seems like. It might actually be healthy for me in particular to support someone else’s project and set it down in my collection without having it be under my microscope. I can obviously still be counted on as a contributor, especially making a second attempt at editing audio together as an alternate ‘take’ to draw from.

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Well, the time is here to consider what to do about this film fan editing-wise. There already discussions going on around here, but this will be a place for me to segregate those which I am interested in and consider, hopefully with input from the rest of you, about what shape this project should take. Most of the best ideas have come from this community for TFA and TLJ, and I’m hoping the ongoing discussions will yield similar fruit. I don’t intent to detract from those discussions by creating this thread, but to let this particular project begin to brew.

For the moment, after going to see the film again, here are my thoughts for potential alterations:

  • Opening crawl to remove Leia recon mission and direct mentions of Palpatine. Rather, Kylo Ren is tracking the source of Snoke’s power or something. We still find Palpatine right away, but in the body of the movie rather than in the crawl. It’d also be nice to mention Luke’s inspirational sacrifice to attempt to tie the massive civilian fleet into the theme of TLJ.

Here is a potential crawl, based on one drafted by DZ-330 and the DOTF draft:

“Episode IX
THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

The iron grip of the First Order continues to spread. To suffocate the spark of rebellion, all communication between neighboring systems has been silenced.

As Rey, sole heir to the Jedi, continues her training under the ailing General Leia Organa, the fledging Resistance gathers intel to forge a path to freedom.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren rages in search of his grandfather’s SITH WAYFINDER, determined to unlock the secrets of his former master’s power…

  • Potentially extend the opening with a few establishing shots of Mustafar and/or Kylo overlooking from the destroyer

  • Maybe add a very subtle line from Palpatine as Kylo picks up the Wayfinder (“Find me.”)

  • If going with a ‘Rey Nobody’ approach, remove the crackling lightning between Palpatine’s fingers.

  • Add a Wilhelm somewhere I guess.

  • Possibly see if one or more instances of Rey saying “Ren” can convincingly be replaces with “Kylo,” since that was her preferred way of referring to him in TLJ.

  • Maybe remove light speed skipping by ending as they jump the first time, removing TIEs jumping. Or let them jump and we just cut to the next scene. If the former, remove reference to light speed skipping later. However, this would cause a problem as Finn only has one other thing he notices Poe do before referencing all the “shady stuff” he does. (In TLJ, it took a capital ship to track through Lightspeed.) (If this is removed, there’s a later line that might need to be removed when Poe expresses unease about a Destroyer not following them through hyperspace.)

  • When Kylo and then Rey get flashes of scenes from TFA when they touch the Vader mask, Kylo should get flashes of Luke from Crait rather than Ach-To. (Only Rey-specific flashes first, then Kylo in the later scene. Include Rey turning him down in TLJ.) (Also, try to work in an audible mention of “Exogol.”)

  • Remove Poe’s use of the word ‘random.’ ✅

  • Id like to imply that the Final Order fleet is a backup fleet stashed during the days of the Empire and modified to have the big guns.

  • After Ren says “I will find you” cut him saying “…and turn you to the dark side.” It’s implied that he will try to do that once he finds her, but why say it aloud? He should be trying to seduce her to the dark side and masking his intentions.

  • Try to use audio from the promotional clip as the chase begins because it’s musical choice isn’t a repeat of a cue used earlier in the movie

  • Possibly replace Kylo’s line “I never lied to you” with something like “You were right.”

  • Remove line about how R2 backs up 3PO’s memory. It felt like this movie reacted to TLJ’s style by trying very hard to hardly ever let the audience be surprised.

  • Extend the “squeaky wheel” sequence using footage from the bonus disc

  • I don’t like “whoever this Chewie person is, this is madness.” Maybe replace with offer to help negotiate or something as if 3PO were fresh out of the box and ready to do protocol stuff.

  • Maybe replace 3PO babbling to stormtroopers and their response “that’s not even a language” with 3PO attempting to make sense of a situation in which he doesn’t have any idea what is happening or that troopers are even hostile

  • maybe remove Rey’s mom saying “she’s not on Jakku, she’s gone.” Like whaaaaaaat?? ✅

  • work in shot of Leia holding the medal from the trailer

  • play with briefly quoting Duel of the Fates over the duel. (Maybe https://youtu.be/XHxOg6zNg9Q )

  • maybe soften sound effect as Luke catches the saber since he’s immaterial

  • See if the line delivery from the trailer can be used for “confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi”

  • Remove the line about the Holdo maneuver. If it is something legitimate then someone who lives in that universe shouldn’t have the same misconception as we might. ✅

  • Remove the subtitle for Nien Nunb’s one line. He was never subtitles in the past and it’s not needed. ✅

  • maybe remove Finn telling BB8 “great job, buddy”✅

  • If there’s any other good way to link the massive civilian fleet with Luke’s ‘spark of hope,’ I’d do it. Maybe add comm chatter suggesting Skywalker is on their minds.

  • Bring down Lando’s excessive laughing and remove laughter as he races to save Finn.

  • Chase Adams mocked up subtle visual effect to suggest the Jedi spirits are embodying Rey.

  • Add Leia saying “always” from the trailer. (Even if her corporeal form has not yet vanished to become one with the Force, it can be head-cannoned easily enough to be worth it.)

  • Possibly add hint of Across the Stars to the kiss.

  • Use the Endor scene earlier, then replace it with Coruscant here. We’d get one planet for each trilogy. Star destroyers come raining down over Coruscant, Cloud City, and Jakku. (Ewok scene could be repurposed as the Falcon crash lands on Kef Bir, recontextualized as Endor with Wicket happy to recognize it.)

  • If Ben can’t be added as a Force ghost, add the ‘ForceTime’ sound as a way to imply that she still has some connection with him. May have to add it to other times in TROS if it’s not there already.

  • Possibly add a subtle double rainbow to the establishing shot of the Lars homestead. (It sort of harkens back to Leia’s initial infantile destination of Alderaan, and could just be a cool thing to add after the OT.com community brainstormed it up.)

  • New music to transition into the credits, either here or in TFA.

  • Add fade to black to very end of credits.

  • see if it could somehow be communicated that the Sith fleet needs the First Order to man the ships

  • I think one could successfully remove ‘Rey Palpatine,’ but it would be unusual for me to deviate from the lore to that degree. I don’t like it, but I think I’d be better off accepting it and maybe tweaking TFA and TLJ to fit in better. I expect I’ll play around with executing this idea, at least.

  • RogueLeader had this idea of reusing the Endor shots, but have the Ewoks watch the Falcon flying overhead to establish Kef-Bir as Endor, because why make the gravesite of the Death Star II a different planet? And it would imply that the natives Jannah and the other Stormtroopers refused to kill were the Ewoks. Maybe the First Order were wanting to get revenge on the creatures that helped topple the Empire.

  • Almost everything from DominicCobb’s thread sounds worth considering or trying, so I’m hoping for his help in this

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I like your edit ideas! A lot of them are similar to my initial thoughts.

Regarding how to tie the civilian fleet to Luke’s sacrifice, maybe someone over the comms could say, “For Skywalker!” I believe someone may have made this suggestion earlier.

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Not a bad idea at all. Going from memory, it’d probably need to be a small chorus of comm chatter. Maybe there’s enough “Skywalker” lines from video games and whatnot to use or to blend into it.

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Would you consider an alternate ending where Ben lives?

It seems the scene was edited in reshoots and this YouTuber seems to have pieced together the original scene. Link

I’m just not sure how to encorporate Ben in the Finale. Maybe remove the Rey Skywalker scene and add Ben in the last scene with Rey.

The Skywalker Saga Viewing Order:
I: C.O.D. | II: T.A.S. | III: L.O.E.
IV: Revisited | V: Revisited | VI: Revisited
VII: Restructured | VIII: Rekindled | IX: Ascendant

This is the way.

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I think if he keeps Rey Palpatine, he should also keep Ben dying. Although I do want to see an edit that changes both, I can appreciate wanting to make an edit that ends in the same place as the theatrical version.

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If we are given an alternate ending deleted scene then maybe, but I don’t imagine it being totally satisfying to contrive one based on just what’s in the movie.

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I really enjoyed the ROS, but surely a few nips and tucks would help it.

I like what I’m seeing here so far, especially the idea of tweaking the crawl to let the film introduce Palpatine.

Definitely get rid of “light speed skipping” if possible, that took me right out of the movie (or at least get rid of the Tie-fighters keeping up).

The only other thing I can think to suggest is regarding that cone-head droid. There’s a thread in the film about ‘not under-estimating droids’. It seemed like they were building up to have that cone-head do something awesome, but there was never a pay-off. If there is a way to snip that out cleanly, I think it would improve things.

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Well, it was part of the Leia mad-libs they kind of had to play. Rey calling back to the line during the desert chase is good enough for me.

The biggest thing that would help the movie is breathing room sprinkled throughout, but that’s not likely something we can much help.

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Reading your initial post was a breath of fresh air haha. I definitely agree with all those points, but I really really hate Rey being a Palpatine. Luke’s sacrifice would pay off with the fleet changes, if possible. But Rey being a Palpatine obliterates the entire theme in TLJ that anyone can be special, it doesn’t matter who you’re related to or where you come from. So much of the movie relies on this plot point though that I’m unsure how such a thing would be done.

It’s unfortunate that as you just said, the movie really needs more breathing room, in particularly when landing setup/payoff combos like the droid line. Same thing with Chewie, there’s barely any time to accept or process the setup and then POOF the payoff shows up almost immediately.

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I’m far from resolved against removing Rey Palpatine.

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Good luck with your edit, Hal. This one will likely require all the skills you’ve developed over the years. It might be the kobayashi maru of fanediting. I’ll stick with ROTJ ending for my headcanon, but I respect your dedication to making the I-IX storytelling less choppy.

Side note: it seems you’re gonna reedit Episodes 7 and 8 to accommodate Episode 9… “boldness” (I’m trying to say it kindly). What about adding in Episode 6 a line to Palpy when Anakin throws him into the vent, such as “I’ll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaackk you fools…”.

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If you don’t have anything constructive to say…

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Here is another potential crawl:

Episode IX
THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

Luke Skywalker has ignited
a resurgence of hope in
the galaxy. Countless worlds
have risen up against the
diabolical FIRST ORDER.

REY, the last hope of the
Jedi, continues her training
under General Leia Organa,
hopeful that she will find
a way to commune with
Jedi of the past.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader
KYLO REN seeks out the source
of his former master’s power,
determined to destroy any
threat to his rule. . . .

The Skywalker Saga Viewing Order:
I: C.O.D. | II: T.A.S. | III: L.O.E.
IV: Revisited | V: Revisited | VI: Revisited
VII: Restructured | VIII: Rekindled | IX: Ascendant

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Thank the maker. I’m all in to this. Let me know if you want some assistance with this. I can work character removals in scenes and any time code Disney puts in the frame? I got to think with all the reshoots there got to be Additional footage out there.

Been a while for me but this movie requires fixing.

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Well, the time is here to consider what to do about this film fan editing-wise. There already discussions going on around here, but this will be a place for me to segregate those which I am interested in and consider, hopefully with input from the rest of you, about what shape this project should take. Most of the best ideas have come from this community for TFA and TLJ, and I’m hoping the ongoing discussions will yield similar fruit. I don’t intent to detract from those discussions by creating this thread, but to let this particular project begin to brew.

For the moment, after going to see the film again, here are my thoughts for potential alterations:

  • Opening crawl to remove Leia recon mission and direct mentions of Palpatine. Rather, Kylo Ren is tracking the source of Snoke’s power or something. We still find Palpatine right away, but in the body of the movie rather than in the crawl. It’s also be nice to mention Luke’s inspirational sacrifice to attempt to tie the massive civilian fleet into the theme of TLJ.

Here is a potential crawl, based on one drafted by DZ-330:

“Episode IX
THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

Luke Skywalker has ignited a resurgence of hope in the galaxy. The populace of countless worlds have risen up against the diabolical First Order.

Rey, the last hope of the Jedi, continues her training under General Leia Organa, hoping to commune with Jedi of the past.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren, determined to destroy any threat to his rule, seeks the source of his former master’s power…”

  • Potenrially space out the triple-voice line to sound more like the trailer for dramatic effect.

  • Potentially remove the visual of Snokes in a liquid chamber, maybe replacing them with something else, maybe even other Palpatine bodies. Since the movie isn’t going to give a solid account of what happened in any event, the mere line “I made Snoke” could be interpreted figuratively.

  • If deleted scene is available and suitable, add evil Palpatine broadcast as he lifts the fleet. Hopefully it makes it clear that it’s a broadcast, so later scenes still feel right as they allude to characters already having some idea of what’s up.

  • Add a Wilhelm somewhere I guess.

  • I’d like to remove the 16 hour ticking clock. Only problem I can tell is that Rey seems in an awful hurry to get to the DSII wreckage. It does seem to offer some explanation for the constant frenetic hurry everyone is in, so I’m not sure it’d work to remove it.

  • Maybe remove light speed skipping by ending as they jump the first time, removing TIEs jumping. Or let them jump and we just cut to the next scene. If the former, remove reference to light speed skipping later. However, this would cause a problem as Finn only has one other thing he notices Poe do before referencing all the “shady stuff” he does. (In TLJ, it took a capital ship to track through Lightspeed.) (If this is removed, there’s a later line that might need to be removed when Poe expresses unease about a Destroyer not following them through hyperspace.)

  • When Kylo and then Rey get flashes of scenes from TFA when they touch the Vader mask, Kylo should get flashes of Luke from Crait rather than Ach-To.

  • Remove line about how R2 backs up 3PO’s memory. It felt like this movie reacted to TLJ’s style by trying very hard to hardly ever let the audience be surprised.

  • I don’t like “whoever this Chewie person is, this is madness.” Maybe replace with offer to help negotiate or something as if 3PO were fresh out of the box and ready to do protocol stuff.

  • Possibly remove the destruction of the planet, and the idea that the fleet each has a ‘gun that shoots Death Stars.’

  • Seemed weird to me that once he turns to the Light Side, Kylo doesn’t take advantage of his role as supreme leader. Research of mine indicates that the emperor sensed this and put General Pryde in charge at that point. If a deleted scene is presented to this effect it would be welcome. The existing scene doesn’t make this clear.

  • Remove the line about the Holdo maneuver. If it is something legitimate then someone who lives in that universe shouldn’t have the same misconception as we might.

  • If there’s any other good way to link the massive civilian fleet with Luke’s ‘spark of hope,’ I’d do it.

  • New music to transition into the credits, either here or in TFA.

  • I think one could successfully remove ‘Rey Palpatine,’ but it would be unusual for me to deviate from the lore to that degree. I don’t like it, but I think I’d be better off accepting it and maybe tweaking TFA and TLJ to fit in better. I expect I’ll play around with executing this idea, at least.

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“When Kylo and then Rey get flashes of scenes from TFA when they touch the Vader mask, Kylo should get flashes of Luke from Crait rather than Ach-To.”

When I saw the last Jedi, I thought it was just awful (and just downright unbelievable) that Luke has a moment of weakness and seeks to kill Ben out of fear.

If Luke learned anything from his duel on Bespin, it was Yoda’s warning after losing that hand!

“DONT fly off on a tear because you have a force vision!”

Given the footage in TROS I wondered if it would be possible to insinuate that Luke, Han, and Leia actually hid the fact that Vader was Ben’s grandfather, and this secret being revealed to Ben is what ultimately turns him into Kylo.

Ghosts in the closet have a way of coming back to haunt? Its like a parallel of “the dead speak.”

(as Anakin’s saber called to Rey,) Vader’s mask called to Kylo? To me, this would help both TLJ and TROS.

Since Vader was basically the face of Evil, brute force, and intimidation in the old Empire, our heroes could be forgiven for not telling Ben. This could also retroactively show Rey not to trust what she saw in the dark side hole on Ach to.

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This thread came sooner than I expected! Excellent…

In response to your original post:

  • I don’t mind the 16 hour ticking clock. Like you said, it explains the hurry everyone seems to be in.
  • Removing lightspeed skipping seems like a difficult thing to pull off since there’s a whole exchange between Rey/Poe/Finn/Chewy/BB-8 where it is featured quite heavily. But removing it could possibly help with pacing.

I’ve had a chance to watch the movie three times now and have a few of my own thoughts:

  • Potentially remove Chewy receiving his medal from Maz
  • Remove Lando and Jannah’s useless interaction at the end of the film
  • John William’s cameo on Kijimi felt a little off - not sure if removing it would help with pacing
  • I wonder if it would be possible to postpone the reveal of Chewy actually being alive. We think he’s dead for like 3 seconds and seems kinda lame.
  • On that note, this movie is FULL of fake out deaths: Chewy, 3PO (kinda), Kylo, and finally Rey. I think showing Chewy being alive could be delayed a little and something could be done re: 3PO. You could absolutely remove the line about R2 backing up 3PO’s memory, but I also think that you could leave that line intact and instead remove the whole “taking one last look at my friends” line. It could turn into a whole Spanish Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story 3 situation where 3PO is reset and we have goofy interactions with him not knowing anything, but in the end we know that R2 will be able to fix everything.
  • The shot where Poe, Finn, and Chewy get captured on Kylo’s destroyer could be trimmed at the very end. When they’re being told to drop their weapons, it feels a little awkward.
  • When Rey and Kylo talk on Kylo’s destroyer, keep “you’re his granddaughter” but remove “you are a Palpatine”. Might make the moment feels a little less ridiculous.

And finally, a couple thoughts about how this could impact your edits of TFA and TLJ:

  • Bring back Han shooting without looking in TFA. Kylo does it against the KoR in ROS and is a cute father/son parallel
  • Include some porg sounds on Ach-To when Rey arrives in TFA (I know you didn’t like this the first time I suggested it but here’s one final attempt to change your mind)
  • In TLJ, Snoke says he bridged Kylo and Rey’s minds. Is this still the case? Or is their connection a result of the force dyad. Don’t know if changes could/should be made to clarify this.
  • Can’t remember if you’ve done this already, but removing Kylo’s line to Rey in TLJ about her parents selling her for drinking money. That’s very clearly not the case anymore.

Shit, this is getting long. Sorry! One last thought about Rey Palpatine: Her lineage doesn’t bother me. TLJ implies that where you come from doesn’t make you any more or less important and ROS kind of continues that thought process but just from a different perspective. Different side of the same coin kinda situation. You can be something if you come from nothing, and can be good despite coming from evil. It’s not amazing, but I think it is better to keep rather than mess too much with the narrative.

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That’s one thing I forgot to list: I’d like to work in the shot from the trailer of Leia holding the medal. You see her holding it as she lays down, but it’s not focused on. It ties into Ben’s memory of Han and with Chewie receiving it later on.

We’ll have to see how it flows to cut out the short scene in which we learn Chewie is alive, because it breaks up the rest of the characters in hyperspace. I’m for it, if it’ll work.

Trimming the company getting caught might be good, I can’t tell from just my head.

I’m still not a fan of Hon firing his blaster without looking, because in this universe that should be something only a force user would do. however, given the callback in this movie, I’ll think about it.

Even within TLJ, Rey and Kylo Ren are shown to have a force connection after the death of Snoke. So I don’t think anything about episode nine undoes that at all.

The line about her parents being buried in the desert will remain cut out, but Kylo says what he does about Rey being sold for drinking money because he saw what was in Rey’s mind. If she didn’t know, how could he?

I don’t think the scene at the end of TFA would benefit from porg sounds, but who knows, I may as well play with the idea.

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And thanks for offers so far to help. We’ll see what would be helpful to have and I’ll air any such requests here.

I intend for this project to be fairly grounded and realistic in the interest of actually completing it and making it into something that can exist and be viewed.

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Regarding Han shooting without looking, I played with a version where after he made the shot, he looked at the dead trooper and said, “Huh”, like he actually was surprised he managed to do it.

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@Hal 9000 Can you remove the voice-overs of Mace Windu and Aayla Secura speaking when Rey fights Darth Sidious? It contradicts previously established lore in the pre-sequel trilogy canon, in which only Obi-Wan, Yoda, Qui-Gon, and Anakin knew how to become Force ghosts.

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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Yeah, I don’t know though. If a thousand generations live in her and she’s trying to commune with past Jedi, I guess it’d have to be more than like four guys.

I’m not sure what the canon explanation will end up being, though.

I suppose one of Anakin’s lines could be trimmed thus: “Restore the balance, Rey (, as I once did).”

Given how the sequel trilogy planned out, the only natural interpretation would seem to be that Rey ended up as the chosen one. Given TLJ especially, the prophecy thing is a bit misguided, though its nonfundamentalistic essence can be valid in the sense that anyone could be. One could argue that Anakin failed, though did come to redemption. Luke did likewise in a way. Then, the Force awakened in Rey who went on to embody all the Jedi and decisively destroy the Sith. How could it be otherwise, in hindsight? That’s how religious prophecies tend to go IMHO: they are people groups grappling with their realities, and the details are best taken somewhat loosely.

So, Anakin beckoning her to restore the balance can lend some credence to that. Sort of like how Qui-Gon in LOE encouraging Yoda to “complete what [he] could not” implies that the chosen one remains as potential for the future (Luke, supposedly at that point).

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Regarding Han shooting without looking, I played with a version where after he made the shot, he looked at the dead trooper and said, “Huh”, like he actually was surprised he managed to do it.

I’ve never liked the Han not-looking shot, but the Ben call-back makes me feel like I need to include it. I like this solution.

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Yeah, I don’t know though. If a thousand generations live in her and she’s trying to commune with past Jedi, I guess it’d have to be more than like four guys.

I’m not sure what the canon explanation will end up being, though.

My guess is simply that the voices are not Force ghosts. We never see Luke have to struggle to speak with Ben or Yoda. Rey’s attempting to commune with those who have become one with the Force, whether they’ve achieved “immortality” or not.

I will say, I don’t like including this in the crawl. The crawl is an opportunity to include information not in the film itself and frame the story in the way you choose. When we meet Rey, we learn she’s trying to contact the past Jedi (so putting it in the crawl is redundant and a missed opportunity). But why is she trying to contact them? The why is what should be in the crawl.

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Yeah, I don’t know though. If a thousand generations live in her and she’s trying to commune with past Jedi, I guess it’d have to be more than like four guys.

I’m not sure what the canon explanation will end up being, though.

I suppose one of Anakin’s lines could be trimmed thus: “Restore the balance, Rey (, as I once did).”

Given how the sequel trilogy planned out, the only natural interpretation would seem to be that Rey ended up as the chosen one. Given TLJ especially, the prophecy thing is a bit misguided, though its nonfundamentalistic essence can be valid in the sense that anyone could be. One could argue that Anakin failed, though did come to redemption. Luke did likewise in a way. Then, the Force awakened in Rey who went on to embody all the Jedi and decisively destroy the Sith. How could it be otherwise, in hindsight? That’s how religious prophecies tend to go IMHO: they are people groups grappling with their realities, and the details are best taken somewhat loosely.

So, Anakin beckoning her to restore the balance can lend some credence to that. Sort of like how Qui-Gon in LOE encouraging Yoda to “complete what [he] could not” implies that the chosen one remains as potential for the future (Luke, supposedly at that point).

cough There’s voice-over of Ahsoka Tano and she likely died after the originals and before the events of The Rise of Skywalker and that’s more than four… cough

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.