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This film is really a number of great scenes held together by a terrible plot filled with story contrivances.
Dre said it best, even if a little bit hyperbolically.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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So in almost every scene of the movie I had a knife twisting in my side about how bad this was and didn’t make sense. Makes it really hard to appreciate the good aspects.
You are seeing the movie as awful because you expect to see it that way. You have preconceived ideas about how the Star Wars Universe is supposed to work, whether you decided them on your own or were given them by EU. You feel the movie twisting a knife when that knife belongs to you.
You do not let the movies tell you a story on their own terms. You want it to be on your terms and are angry and frustrated that it doesn’t work that way. If you were willing to let the films tell their own stories and expand your understanding of the universe as you acquire more information about it, you would be able to accept and enjoy it.
But it doesn’t make sense that we could have sent people to walk on the moon because planes don’t crash into the ground when they fly in straight lines, so the Apollo missions must have been faked since we know the Earth to be flat.
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in almost every scene of the movie I had a knife twisting in my side
That was me. Sorry.
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So in almost every scene of the movie I had a knife twisting in my side about how bad this was and didn’t make sense. Makes it really hard to appreciate the good aspects.
If you were willing to let the films tell their own stories and expand your understanding of the universe as you acquire more information about it, you would be able to accept and enjoy it.
The sequel trilogy doesn’t have its own stories, world-building wise. TFA was literally and intentionally a soft reboot back to Star Wars 1977. Rebels vs. Empire.
There is no understanding of the universe I can gain because there is nothing, in either movies, that ties this universe to the one we know and love from pre-Disney Star Wars. Empire is strong again despite their defeat at Endor. A new Republic does not exist. “The Resistance” is nonsensical. Why would I care about any of this?
Any attempt at an explanation is a Jedi Mind Trick. Disney obviously wanted a simple Rebels vs. Empire story to wash away the perceived stink of the Prequels’ trade disputes, and wrote that without any regard to links from the OT. That’s not something I can take at face value and just automatically love.
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Are you sure someone doesn’t have a voodoo doll of you? 😉
That was no skidding turn, that was real spacecraft physics. Babylon 5 had spacecraft turn on an axis to fire like that all the time.
Star Wars doesn’t have “real spacecraft physics”. Star Wars has always been “WWII in Space”. I’ve never seen a P-51 Mustang make a turn like that!
Is there some limit to how big a spaceship can be I’m not aware of? Snoke’s ship didn’t seem that much larger than Vader’s Star Destroyer. Perhaps Snoke was compensating for something…
The Death Star and the Executor are fine because they’re the culmination of the galaxy-ruling Empire’s power. Those ships are what infinite money and a firm grasp on all supply lines and independent contractors gets you. And they’re single ships. They have to construct a new Death Star when they want another.
But the rules of the Disney Trilogy are evidently “bigger ship every movie” despite whatever happened 18 hours ago in TFA. Starkiller was ridiculous. The First Order has infinite money. Infinite crew. Despite supposedly being a “fringe group” attempting to rise to power on the edge of the galaxy.
Remember that the visual dictionary says than Snoke’s Ship has a crew of TWO MILLION the next time a disney fan tries to convince you the First Order is “small” or resource constrained.
Pretty sure P-51’s defy physics in Lucas’ Red Tails movie. Spacecraft don’t make noise in a vacuum either. 😉
I don’t take much stock in what the visual dictionary says. Would you take what they imply about Snoke as gospel?
The two million passes the eye test too just based on how freaking overly huge that ship was.
And again, I don’t care about realistic physics at all. I just want the in-universe abilities to remain constant between movies. The X-Wing powerslide was the new Legolas skateboard.
What is obvious is that Snoke and the First Order are a continuation of the Empire. From the equipment they have and the developments they have made, it seem pretty clear that they have access to the designs of the Empire and the ability to manufacture equipment on the same scale.
Well yes, that is obvious by what transpires in the movie.
But Disney and Disney Apologists are very insistent that the First Order is just a small remnant in the Unknown Regions. Despite them nuking the entire New Republic. Despite building StarKiller base and now Snoke’s ship. Despite everything in the movie telling you that they’re just as big and bad as the Empire. Despite there being only about 12 Resistance members left in the entire galaxy. And about 6 lines of dialog between the two movies to try to explain/hoodwink all of the above.
The world-building in the Disney Trilogy is creatively bankrupt. It’s as big of a problem here as the bad acting/directing were a problem in the Prequels.
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No more trolling or wummary.
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Are you sure someone doesn’t have a voodoo doll of you? 😉
That was no skidding turn, that was real spacecraft physics. Babylon 5 had spacecraft turn on an axis to fire like that all the time.
Star Wars doesn’t have “real spacecraft physics”. Star Wars has always been “WWII in Space”. I’ve never seen a P-51 Mustang make a turn like that!
Is there some limit to how big a spaceship can be I’m not aware of? Snoke’s ship didn’t seem that much larger than Vader’s Star Destroyer. Perhaps Snoke was compensating for something…
The Death Star and the Executor are fine because they’re the culmination of the galaxy-ruling Empire’s power. Those ships are what infinite money and a firm grasp on all supply lines and independent contractors gets you. And they’re single ships. They have to construct a new Death Star when they want another.
But the rules of the Disney Trilogy are evidently “bigger ship every movie” despite whatever happened 18 hours ago in TFA. Starkiller was ridiculous. The First Order has infinite money. Infinite crew. Despite supposedly being a “fringe group” attempting to rise to power on the edge of the galaxy.
Remember that the visual dictionary says than Snoke’s Ship has a crew of TWO MILLION the next time a disney fan tries to convince you the First Order is “small” or resource constrained.
Pretty sure P-51’s defy physics in Lucas’ Red Tails movie. Spacecraft don’t make noise in a vacuum either. 😉
I don’t take much stock in what the visual dictionary says. Would you take what they imply about Snoke as gospel?
The two million passes the eye test too just based on how freaking overly huge that ship was.
And again, I don’t care about realistic physics at all. I just want the in-universe abilities to remain constant between movies. The X-Wing powerslide was the new Legolas skateboard.
What is obvious is that Snoke and the First Order are a continuation of the Empire. From the equipment they have and the developments they have made, it seem pretty clear that they have access to the designs of the Empire and the ability to manufacture equipment on the same scale.
Well yes, that is obvious by what transpires in the movie.
But Disney and Disney Apologists are very insistent that the First Order is just a small remnant in the Unknown Regions. Despite them nuking the entire New Republic. Despite building StarKiller base and now Snoke’s ship. Despite everything in the movie telling you that they’re just as big and bad as the Empire. Despite there being only about 12 Resistance members left in the entire galaxy. And about 6 lines of dialog between the two movies to try to explain/hoodwink all of the above.
The world-building in the Disney Trilogy is creatively bankrupt. It’s as big of a problem here as the bad acting/directing were a problem in the Prequels.
The resistance is much bigger than that. The movie focuses on the main characters of that resistance obviously. Who do you think they were trying to get to come help them at the end of the movie?
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No more trolling or wummary.
you keep making me do research 😃
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Are you sure someone doesn’t have a voodoo doll of you? 😉
That was no skidding turn, that was real spacecraft physics. Babylon 5 had spacecraft turn on an axis to fire like that all the time.
Star Wars doesn’t have “real spacecraft physics”. Star Wars has always been “WWII in Space”. I’ve never seen a P-51 Mustang make a turn like that!
Is there some limit to how big a spaceship can be I’m not aware of? Snoke’s ship didn’t seem that much larger than Vader’s Star Destroyer. Perhaps Snoke was compensating for something…
The Death Star and the Executor are fine because they’re the culmination of the galaxy-ruling Empire’s power. Those ships are what infinite money and a firm grasp on all supply lines and independent contractors gets you. And they’re single ships. They have to construct a new Death Star when they want another.
But the rules of the Disney Trilogy are evidently “bigger ship every movie” despite whatever happened 18 hours ago in TFA. Starkiller was ridiculous. The First Order has infinite money. Infinite crew. Despite supposedly being a “fringe group” attempting to rise to power on the edge of the galaxy.
Remember that the visual dictionary says than Snoke’s Ship has a crew of TWO MILLION the next time a disney fan tries to convince you the First Order is “small” or resource constrained.
Pretty sure P-51’s defy physics in Lucas’ Red Tails movie. Spacecraft don’t make noise in a vacuum either. 😉
I don’t take much stock in what the visual dictionary says. Would you take what they imply about Snoke as gospel?
The two million passes the eye test too just based on how freaking overly huge that ship was.
And again, I don’t care about realistic physics at all. I just want the in-universe abilities to remain constant between movies. The X-Wing powerslide was the new Legolas skateboard.
What is obvious is that Snoke and the First Order are a continuation of the Empire. From the equipment they have and the developments they have made, it seem pretty clear that they have access to the designs of the Empire and the ability to manufacture equipment on the same scale.
Well yes, that is obvious by what transpires in the movie.
But Disney and Disney Apologists are very insistent that the First Order is just a small remnant in the Unknown Regions. Despite them nuking the entire New Republic. Despite building StarKiller base and now Snoke’s ship. Despite everything in the movie telling you that they’re just as big and bad as the Empire. Despite there being only about 12 Resistance members left in the entire galaxy. And about 6 lines of dialog between the two movies to try to explain/hoodwink all of the above.
The world-building in the Disney Trilogy is creatively bankrupt. It’s as big of a problem here as the bad acting/directing were a problem in the Prequels.
The resistance is much bigger than that. The movie focuses on the main characters of that resistance obviously. Who do you think they were trying to get to come help them at the end of the movie?
Sadly that user will never be able to answer you.
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you keep making me do research 😃
Entertainment and education - we should charge money for this 😉
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Can someone give me a good wummary on the events of the past page or two?
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A thing on timelines here: The two main storylines in TLJ start at different times. The escape storyline starts a week after the events of TFA; the Ach-To storyline happens immediately after the events of TFA.
The bomber: People complained about how the bomber thing was unrealistic because there’s no gravity in space. That pedantry is inaccurate. The bombs fell due to the gravitational force of the Star Destroyer underneath the bomber. This is the same reason that Star Destroyer falls into the Death Star in ROTJ.
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yhwx said:
This is the same reason that Star Destroyer falls into the Death Star in ROTJ.
This reason was that it looks cool. Same thing applies.
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yhwx said:
This is the same reason that Star Destroyer falls into the Death Star in ROTJ.This reason was that it looks cool. Same thing applies.
This is also correct, in addition to what I said.
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A thing on timelines here: The two main storylines in TLJ start at different times. The escape storyline starts a week after the events of TFA; the Ach-To storyline happens immediately after the events of TFA.
Is there a confirmation of this anywhere?
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A thing on timelines here: The two main storylines in TLJ start at different times. The escape storyline starts a week after the events of TFA; the Ach-To storyline happens immediately after the events of TFA.
Is there a confirmation of this anywhere?
No, it’s just my theory.
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No, it’s just a theory. A yhwx theory
FTFY
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A thing on timelines here: The two main storylines in TLJ start at different times. The escape storyline starts a week after the events of TFA; the Ach-To storyline happens immediately after the events of TFA.
The bomber: People complained about how the bomber thing was unrealistic because there’s no gravity in space. That pedantry is inaccurate. The bombs fell due to the gravitational force of the Star Destroyer underneath the bomber. This is the same reason that Star Destroyer falls into the Death Star in ROTJ.
I read in the visual dictionary that the bombs used magnetic tech as well.
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A thing on timelines here: The two main storylines in TLJ start at different times. The escape storyline starts a week after the events of TFA; the Ach-To storyline happens immediately after the events of TFA.
The bomber: People complained about how the bomber thing was unrealistic because there’s no gravity in space. That pedantry is inaccurate. The bombs fell due to the gravitational force of the Star Destroyer underneath the bomber. This is the same reason that Star Destroyer falls into the Death Star in ROTJ.
I read in the visual dictionary that the bombs used magnetic tech as well.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
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Are you sure someone doesn’t have a voodoo doll of you? 😉
That was no skidding turn, that was real spacecraft physics. Babylon 5 had spacecraft turn on an axis to fire like that all the time.
Star Wars doesn’t have “real spacecraft physics”. Star Wars has always been “WWII in Space”. I’ve never seen a P-51 Mustang make a turn like that!
Is there some limit to how big a spaceship can be I’m not aware of? Snoke’s ship didn’t seem that much larger than Vader’s Star Destroyer. Perhaps Snoke was compensating for something…
The Death Star and the Executor are fine because they’re the culmination of the galaxy-ruling Empire’s power. Those ships are what infinite money and a firm grasp on all supply lines and independent contractors gets you. And they’re single ships. They have to construct a new Death Star when they want another.
But the rules of the Disney Trilogy are evidently “bigger ship every movie” despite whatever happened 18 hours ago in TFA. Starkiller was ridiculous. The First Order has infinite money. Infinite crew. Despite supposedly being a “fringe group” attempting to rise to power on the edge of the galaxy.
Remember that the visual dictionary says than Snoke’s Ship has a crew of TWO MILLION the next time a disney fan tries to convince you the First Order is “small” or resource constrained.
Pretty sure P-51’s defy physics in Lucas’ Red Tails movie. Spacecraft don’t make noise in a vacuum either. 😉
I don’t take much stock in what the visual dictionary says. Would you take what they imply about Snoke as gospel?
The two million passes the eye test too just based on how freaking overly huge that ship was.
And again, I don’t care about realistic physics at all. I just want the in-universe abilities to remain constant between movies. The X-Wing powerslide was the new Legolas skateboard.
What is obvious is that Snoke and the First Order are a continuation of the Empire. From the equipment they have and the developments they have made, it seem pretty clear that they have access to the designs of the Empire and the ability to manufacture equipment on the same scale.
Well yes, that is obvious by what transpires in the movie.
But Disney and Disney Apologists are very insistent that the First Order is just a small remnant in the Unknown Regions. Despite them nuking the entire New Republic. Despite building StarKiller base and now Snoke’s ship. Despite everything in the movie telling you that they’re just as big and bad as the Empire. Despite there being only about 12 Resistance members left in the entire galaxy. And about 6 lines of dialog between the two movies to try to explain/hoodwink all of the above.
The world-building in the Disney Trilogy is creatively bankrupt. It’s as big of a problem here as the bad acting/directing were a problem in the Prequels.
As much as I enjoyed TFA, the Starkiller Base really strained the friendship. I was kind of okay with it until the scene in the Reb…uh Resistance briefing room where Poe says “this was the Death Star, this is SK base”. Until then I’d figured SK was actually a cool economical way to build a Death Star by sinking an ionic cannon into an existing celestial body and thus saving billions on housing. Instead the comparison showed that even the ‘built’ parts of SK measured several Death Stars! So yeah, where the frack did the FO get the funding for all this stuff?
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Same place the money for the Clone Army came from? 😛
Where were you in '77?
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Same place the money for the Clone Army came from? 😛
Will the money trail lead to corrupt banking officials on Aargau…?
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JEDIT: Lazy whoever, was lazy. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zug_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton_of_Zug
At least Laazrau, Zauhu, Urazuun, and Faargau are not in Switzerland.
Ceci n’est pas une signature.
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JEDIT: Lazy whoever, was lazy. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zug_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton_of_Zug
At least Laazrau, Zauhu, Urazuun, and Faargau are not in Switzerland.
Either would do I suppose! But I was of course referring to the banking planet as depicted in Marvel’s Star Wars run. I never even knew that Aargau had transcended the 80s, made it into ‘canon’, and gained some gas-giant brothers!
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A thing on timelines here: The two main storylines in TLJ start at different times. The escape storyline starts a week after the events of TFA; the Ach-To storyline happens immediately after the events of TFA.
The bomber: People complained about how the bomber thing was unrealistic because there’s no gravity in space. That pedantry is inaccurate. The bombs fell due to the gravitational force of the Star Destroyer underneath the bomber. This is the same reason that Star Destroyer falls into the Death Star in ROTJ.
I read in the visual dictionary that the bombs used magnetic tech as well.
I know, right? 😉