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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 154

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So I just noticed on my second viewing that the falcon gets its (new rectangular) radar dish knocked off while flying through the crystal cave (ROTJ Rehash!! ;-P ).

Anyway, what shape do you guys think the new one will be in episode IX? Octagonal? Trapezoidal?

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canofhumdingers said:

So I just noticed on my second viewing that the falcon gets its (new rectangular) radar dish knocked off while flying through the crystal cave (ROTJ Rehash!! ;-P ).

Anyway, what shape do you guys think the new one will be in episode IX? Octagonal? Trapezoidal?

Porg shaped maybe. I wonder what will they do with the Porgs: fly back to Ahch-To? Abandon them on some random planet? Chewie breeds them and uses them as a food source on the Falcon?

The blue elephant in the room.

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canofhumdingers said:

So I just noticed on my second viewing that the falcon gets its (new rectangular) radar dish knocked off while flying through the crystal cave (ROTJ Rehash!! ;-P ).

Anyway, what shape do you guys think the new one will be in episode IX? Octagonal? Trapezoidal?

Tear shaped for all the tears shed over TLJ

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Valheru_84 said:

Having seen TLJ though, I now understand it could never be what I was expecting and that’s because RJ has a compulsion with this movie to do the exact opposite of what is expected. It was a pretty common belief that everyone was expecting TLJ to be the movie that was going to be different, darker and setting new ground after the safe bet that TFA was. So in order to do the opposite he just made another rehash movie (simply disguised a bit better by jumbling it up a bit with the edges blurred) which is what everyone didn’t want. Even the darker themes are subverted by the constant stream of tone killing humour. This movie is literally RJ giving the middle finger to a fandom and it’s expectations, making writing choices solely directed at doing the opposite of what the fandom wanted or expected, no matter the cost to the story and cohesion to the overarching saga and previously established characters and lore.

.Val

This attitude wearies me. Just because you didn’t like it and it wasn’t what you wanted to see does not mean RJ is giving fandom the middle finger. Some fans hate it. I get it. Some fans loved it. You didn’t like the humor. Some people did. You didn’t like how your expectations were turned. Some people loved how it made the story fresh and different. You didn’t like the homages to the past, some loved them. There are obviously very different opinions. But constantly saying that RJ or Disney set out to ruin the franchise is just so… Use your heads. You are part of the billion dollar package that Disney wants on board to buy tickets and merchandise. But they can’t tell the same old story. Heck, they can’t even seem to use anything similar. It sets up a catch-22. Sometimes there is no pleasing people. But at least come up with something that actually makes sense. RJ, Kennedy, or Disney trying to deliberately alienate fans makes no logical sense. It is a tired refrain that has been sung since GL sold to Disney.

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Incorrect yotsuya. If I didn’t like a movie it means the creators hate me. This is simple stuff, don’t get why it’s so hard for you to understand.

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Val greatly simplifies what was desired by fans and what JJ and RJ produced, but he is not entirely wrong. Obviously Disney & company wanted to make boatloads of money. And you generally don’t do that by trying to alienate people. It hardly needs saying, but “fans” of Star Wars don’t only include certain obsessives who belong to forums and have cabinets full of toys from the 70s, 80s, and beyond. Casual fans are less easily alienated because they don’t care as much. They love Star Wars but they don’t love love Star Wars.

I’m still not sure what JJ was trying to do with TFA. One idea I see floated by admirers of TFA is that JJ was trying to draw fans back to Star Wars, because prequels, or reacquaint people with the franchise, because old, and those rationales always struck me as false and patronizing. Maybe JJ was simply trying to make Star Wars, but new and shiny. People who love TLJ have recognized that the film seems to stick its thumb in the eye of either the fans or JJ. Mithrandir had some good observations as to why RJ might have created the story he did, which wasn’t about any kind of intentional jab (at least not entirely).

I do think an intent behind both films is to enlarge Star Wars’ appeal, which is also obvious if we use our heads. By giving many core fans what they want and also bending the narratives, themes, and characters to appeal to a broader audience, more money can be made. TLJ went very much in this direction and we see it made a boatload of money but despite high quality, a strong voice, and some new exciting visuals, split fandom’s spirit to the bone (to paraphrase Snoke…although I keep wondering how a spirit can have bones).

Like yotsuya says, just because Val didn’t like it doesn’t mean RJ was trying to make him feel that way. (RJ can’t lose for trying!)

The blue elephant in the room.

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DominicCobb said:

If I didn’t like a movie it means the creators hate me.

You liked TLJ. RJ still hates you, it’s just that RJ sucks so bad he couldn’t even get that right.

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The Ring Theory looks for things that are vaguely similar and tries to describe them in the most crude way, leaving out important details, to make two very different scenes look alike, and putting importance on small details that are smimilar, but insignificant in the movies itself. This rehash argument is just the Ring theory with a twist. Instead of using these constructed superficial “similarities” to show how great the prequels are, they are now a sign of how bad the new movies are. Why can’t angry fans come up with something new? Do they want to alienate other fans? Is Disney paying them as part of their great plan to soft-reboot the whole world?

Ceci n’est pas une signature.

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Frank your Majesty said:
This rehash argument is just the Ring theory with a twist. Instead of using these constructed superficial “similarities” to show how great the prequels are, they are now a sign of how bad the new movies are. Why can’t angry fans come up with something new? Do they want to alienate other fans?

Why do angry fans have to come up with anything? Why don’t they just watch the movies they like and ignore what they don’t like? This is a 40 year old franchise spanning several generations. It consists of nine films, several TV shows, animated movies, hundreds of novels, children’s books, video games, comic books, newspaper series, theme parks, annual conventions, etc, etc.

There is absolutely no way the franchise can be one size fits all. I can’t make sense of fans battling a franchise they like and I really can’t fathom battling a different portion of the fan base. There isn’t a brolly girl waiting with a big cardboard check. No one is going to win Star Wars.

By all means feel free to vent, deconstruct, debate, rage, etc. I do it occasionally myself. It’s what makes this forum work. However, maybe give some serious thought to focusing on what you like. The stuff we don’t like about the franchise isn’t going away.

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This all keeps getting dumped on the “haters”, but what bugs me is that anytime someone says “I didn’t like this one” the other side has to start belittling and giving false reasons that they should have liked it or mock their reasons for not liking it. And then, reasonably, the person feels the need to defend their dislike and then we have pages of boring back n’ forth with nobody changing their mind because nobody is wrong about how they feel.
Why is it so important to some that everybody like the same things? Is your opinion somehow in danger when someone disagrees?
Star Wars is the most popular thing on planet Earth. There’s no way to make a film that everybody will love. Nothing is for everybody.
(I’m not lobbying for either side and haven’t said anything about my feelings towards the movie so please don’t put me in either group.)

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Yeah, I’d argue that the people who started this 150+ page discussion were those who loved the movie. Or at least they were louder during the first 3-5 days of the movie’s release, making those who didn’t like want to “fight back” and explain their dislikes and be vocal too. It could’ve been the opposite though, I don’t really remember.

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Anchorhead said:

Frank your Majesty said:
This rehash argument is just the Ring theory with a twist. Instead of using these constructed superficial “similarities” to show how great the prequels are, they are now a sign of how bad the new movies are. Why can’t angry fans come up with something new? Do they want to alienate other fans?

Why do angry fans have to come up with anything? Why don’t they just watch the movies they like and ignore what they don’t like? This is a 40 year old franchise spanning several generations. It consists of nine films, several TV shows, animated movies, hundreds of novels, children’s books, video games, comic books, newspaper series, theme parks, annual conventions, etc, etc.

There is absolutely no way the franchise can be one size fits all. I can’t make sense of fans battling a franchise they like and I really can’t fathom battling a different portion of the fan base. There isn’t a brolly girl waiting with a big cardboard check. No one is going to win Star Wars.

By all means feel free to vent, deconstruct, debate, rage, etc. I do it occasionally myself. It’s what makes this forum work. However, maybe give some serious thought to focusing on what you like. The stuff we don’t like about the franchise isn’t going away.

This assumes ranting about stuff you dislike is unpleasant. Why do you have to focus on the stuff you like? Is it because it is in some way bad for you, or because the opposite side doesn’t want to read these rants? I suspect the latter. Every time someone writes a passionate critique of the film, we get these suggestions to focus on stuff we like. In other words stop b****ing about stuff that I like. Well I like to write about this stuff, amongst other things.

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oojason said:

Well said, mate.

Not well said. As long as debates are civil, any subject should be open for discussion. I don’t tell anyone else what they should or should not write about, and I expect the same courtesy.

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Collipso said:

Yeah, I’d argue that the people who started this 150+ page discussion were those who loved the movie. Or at least they were louder during the first 3-5 days of the movie’s release, making those who didn’t like want to “fight back” and explain their dislikes and be vocal too. It could’ve been the opposite though, I don’t really remember.

Your memory is faulty. Here’s the first four posts in the thread.

RossDaBoss said:

My post from the old thread that got deleted…

Just got back from seeing this, WOW was it bad! I had hoped they would of fixed some of the problems people had with The Force Awakens & Rogue One but they’ve totally ignored everyone criticism. This saga has now firmly shifted it’s vision & tone in a new direction that isn’t for me. I’m no longer interested in these characters or where the story goes from here, so I wont be going to the cinema to see the next chapter. RIP Star Wars
2/5

Cringeworthy comedy
General Hux pantomime villain
Luke milking an alien udder’s
Super Leia
Ugly puppet yoda
Snoke throw away villain #1
Phasma throw away villain #2
Luke throw away Hero #1
bad, bad, bad… Plus many other monments that left me shaking my head.

joefavs said:

Just got back and I’m not at all ready to deliver a verdict. It wasn’t love at first sight for me like it was with TFA, but TFA had a lot less to process. I’m going to try to see it again before the end of the weekend. On first viewing of both TFA and R1, I had trouble settling into the rhythm of the film, and this one was no different. Now that I know the general shape of it, I think I’ll have an easier time letting it sink in. It’s also just a much weirder movie with a lot more going on, and that’s going to take time to figure out. The best analogy I can come up with is that if these movies were Beatles albums, TFA is A Hard Day’s Night and TLJ is the white album.

Mielr said:

I just got back from the 6pm show, and there was a special “opening night” featurette hosted by the director that focused on John Williams. The featurette had some nice behind-the-scenes archival clips and a couple of clips from ESB and ROTJ. We got a pack of oversized Topps trading cards as we entered the theater. We were given questionnaires to fill out and hand back when the film was over. The film was in 3D but I don’t really think the film made much use of the 3D presentation and frankly, I would have just as soon seen it in 2D.

Some good moments in the film, but not enough to make a great movie, unfortunately. Both my nephew and I were somewhat disappointed.

Glad I went as I got to spend some time with my nephew, but this will probably be the last Star Wars film I see theatrically.

g-force said:

I thought it was very much like a prequel, without all the bad acting and awful dialogue delivery. It’ll grow on me maybe?

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Hardcore Legend said:

I have enjoyed both films. Both films have been poorly written. I don’t understand the pacing or organization of these films, nor do I understand the direction they are taking this trilogy.

Kylo Ren’s character has not grown at all and Rey has not had any sort of struggle. What is the payoff here? Is she just Jedi Jesus and will just be invincible for 3 pointless movies?

The Luke flashbacks were cool but I feel like won’t age well. If they were going to do that, just make a another movie with all of that. It came off as fan fiction, something that people who liked the old EU would enjoy.

Are the Knights of Ren dead?

Why did Luke force project himself with his father’s lost lightsaber that Kylo already knew was destroyed?

It just seemed like lazy storytelling. How can we get characters to reveal plot points we want them to reveal? Have them project themselves across space and be in the same room together.

How exactly did Luke “not lose Rey” as Yoda tells him he can’t do if he just let’s himself die from force exhaustion?

I did enjoy this movie but WTF?!

JawsTDS said:

I’m not sure what I watched, but it definitely felt odd. The soundtrack was repetitive and lackluster. Shame.

xhonzi said:

I think I hated it.

I went in really hoping to like it, and expecting to. I liked parts of if… but I think “hated it” is the only appropriate summary at this point in time.

I didn’t love The Force Awakens at first, though it has grown on me. I have come to a kind of peace with what it is, so I’m surprised at how much I didn’t like The Last Jedi.

The worst part is that my 14 year old son loved it, and wants to talk about it. I don’t want to spoil it for him, so I’m reluctant to really talk about it… which is hurting his feelings. 😕

LuckyGungan2001 said:

I went in expecting to like it the same as I like The Force Awakens but I was blown away. I honestly don’t have any problems with the film. I’m glad I feel that way and I can’t wait to see it again.

mapet318 said:

It’s late and I’ll flesh out my thoughts later, but I really liked the film. Not perfect, and it takes the series in a different direction, but I had fun with it.

ChainsawAsh said:

Haven’t read any other posts yet. Just got back from the movie. Still collecting my thoughts, and probably will be for some time.

Overall, what I liked I really liked. What I didn’t like, I didn’t hate, it just felt…off to me. With one exception.

I really, really, really, really, really fucking hated Luke’s death. Not the Kylo “duel,” that was one of my favorite parts of the movie (even though I called Luke not actually being “there” based on both beard color and lightsaber hilt). The way Luke actually died. For no fucking reason. At all.

Not. Fucking. Cool. Rian.

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SilverWook said:

How many different ways can you have two spaceships chase each other?

Using the exact same cue and a character who emphasizes that (“they don’t like the Falcon”, LOLILOL moment…) don’t really help !

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Yeah, but for example, RossDaBoss didn’t come back to argue about how he didn’t like the movie and how it was a 2/5 instead of a 5/5. He just shared his opinion and basically left the thread. Much like g-force, xhonzi, etc.

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Collipso said:

Yeah, I’d argue that the people who started this 150+ page discussion were those who loved the movie. Or at least they were louder during the first 3-5 days of the movie’s release, making those who didn’t like want to “fight back” and explain their dislikes and be vocal too. It could’ve been the opposite though, I don’t really remember.

It’s not that. It’s that when someone says “I hated that movie.” and someone else responds with “I guess you’re stupid then.” there’s gonna be push back.

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Some of these people are long-standing members (g-force, xhonzi, etc.) who haven’t posted much or at all lately, and came back one time to post their opinion before leaving again. If I’m them, I’m probably more likely to stick around and talk about it more if I had a good time watching it than a bad time. In general too…it’s more fun talking about something you enjoy than something you don’t.

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ray_afraid said:

Collipso said:

Yeah, I’d argue that the people who started this 150+ page discussion were those who loved the movie. Or at least they were louder during the first 3-5 days of the movie’s release, making those who didn’t like want to “fight back” and explain their dislikes and be vocal too. It could’ve been the opposite though, I don’t really remember.

It’s not that. It’s that when someone says “I hated that movie.” and someone else responds with “I guess you’re stupid then.” there’s gonna be push back.

Who’s done that?

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TV’s Frink said:

ray_afraid said:

Collipso said:

Yeah, I’d argue that the people who started this 150+ page discussion were those who loved the movie. Or at least they were louder during the first 3-5 days of the movie’s release, making those who didn’t like want to “fight back” and explain their dislikes and be vocal too. It could’ve been the opposite though, I don’t really remember.

It’s not that. It’s that when someone says “I hated that movie.” and someone else responds with “I guess you’re stupid then.” there’s gonna be push back.

Who’s done that?

My example is simplified, but I’ve seen it all over the place. I don’t care enough to go looking for examples.
it goes both ways.

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