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To me, this is guy is obviously kidding. He wouldn't come in here and just say all this if he didn't knew about the legendary lost cut.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Oh, besides, the lost cut has no sound, so it is obviously a lie.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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I wouldn't be surprised if this has been found...I worked at a well-known production company's Vault in Los Angeles and my boss and I discovered extremely rough edits of Dune (David Lynch) and Blade Runner (Ridley Scott) on 3/4" tapes. These were found in the bottom of a box in a back storage room while we were "tidying up." My boss (ass kisser that he was), confiscated them after we viewed them - but the point is that they accidentally fell into our unsuspecting hands..and they sat in that dusty back storage room for years without anyone knowing of their whereabouts. They could have quite possibly been the only copies of those edits in existence.
SO to hear that this lost edit (the Holy Grail) might have been uncovered is not much of a shock to me - it is not too uncommon of a tale, especially given what happens in both Editing Facilities and Production Comapny Vaults!
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The "Lost Cut" has been described in the past. One of the guys who did the Marvel comic adaptation was invited to see the rough cut screening. He related this experience in an old Starlog magazine interview. IIRC, the original-original crawl was in place. Dave Prowse speaking Vader's lines. (Darth Farmer!) All of Biggs and Jabba. The most surreal part being Han and Luke defending the Falcon from attacking WWII fighter planes.
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What is the original original crawl? That "the republic galactica is dead" thing?
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Hahahahaha


What a joke. I love deadpan humor.

It really is someone saying, here, I've got this crappy thing, "The Holy Grail" it's marked ... maybe someone who likes cups might like it ... yeah.



Very silly.



Sadly, the Lost Cut doesn't exist in its full form anymore, as it was ... supposedly. For the Behind the Magic Cantina scene, it seems they had to fill in the soundtrack all over again, bit by bit, as they couldn't find a copy with sound!

I'm sure George has SOMETHING lying around, but no, the Lost Cut remains just the stuff of legend.

This guy is just fucking around to get attention, yes, we know that much. A tipoff for anyone who isn't an idiot ... John Jympson was never properly credited for his work. That's a cue from a joker to let those in the know know that he's talking about the Lost Cut.


As far as the original original crawl goes, you can find it in the DVD-ROM section of Deleted Magic, as the Lost Cut crawl. It's a longer version of the actual text you see in Star Wars. The guy who did it recreated it EXACTLY.

For my own version, I used the 3rd draft crawl, which was never in the film, as it has a lot more information in it. "The Republica Galactica is dead" ...
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Actually, the Lost Cut is known to exist, as writers for the Star Wars Insider were allowed to view it and write a review in an issue of the magazine, years ago.
The reason why audio cuts out on the cantina scene was that they had yet to do the ADR.
Quite a few workprints will have dead spots where sound and dialogue drops out. The first assembly of "Batman and Robin" was nearly a silent movie, as nearly every scene had to have all dialogue looped in post production.

That being said, while it does exist, I don't think this guy has it.

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85% of ROTS had to be ADR because of the windmachines, wooden sets and long work days.
The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie

It really is someone saying, here, I've got this crappy thing, "The Holy Grail" it's marked ... maybe someone who likes cups might like it ...


Hmm... and just how much do you want for this cup of yours?

"Give us all your money and a tank of gas. We're taking this bird to Cuba" ~Stimpy
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Originally posted by: Knolly
I can't help but laugh at this. If this is legit, it'd be like Obi-wanton said, and this is kind of like someone walking into a market with the Holy Grail and asking "Does anyone want to buy this? It's made of wood, and is crappy quality, but I figure someone who collects cups might want one."

Hahahaha!

"That's the cup of a carpenter!"
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Magnoliafan, I know what I'm talking about. Skot has talked to David West Reynolds who WROTE that article about the Lost Cut. He confirmed that what he saw was black and white and silent, proving that not even Lucasfilm has a full copy of this cut with sound at the ready, at the moment. I'm not saying that part of the Cantina scene was silent, I'm saying it ALL was. That entire reel from the Cantina seen in Behind the Magic had no sound on it whatsoever, and they had to go back to the reels and put sound on it from the original takes. That's what he said. Strange, but apparently true.

Lucas does save all his raw footage, so it would be possible to reconstruct the Lost Cut, and he does seem to have the whole thing as black and white and silent at the VERY least. Maybe he has the soundtrack lying around still and couldn't find it, but maybe it was damaged or lost.

Lucas certainly could release the Lost Cut in some form if he wanted to, in color in fact, since he saved all his footage .... which is why the Biggs scenes and other cut scenes are in color on Deleted Magic, of course ... but it would take some new editing. As far as we know it's not lying around somewhere perfect and ready for release. It would take a bit of work to prepare it.

There you are then.
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I remain optimistic - hopefully Davis will be able to get hold of a copy to see if it actually is, or part of 'The Lost Cut'.

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Originally posted by: dylanfree
I wouldn't be surprised if this has been found...I worked at a well-known production company's Vault in Los Angeles and my boss and I discovered extremely rough edits of Dune (David Lynch) and Blade Runner (Ridley Scott) on 3/4" tapes. These were found in the bottom of a box in a back storage room while we were "tidying up." My boss (ass kisser that he was), confiscated them after we viewed them - but the point is that they accidentally fell into our unsuspecting hands..and they sat in that dusty back storage room for years without anyone knowing of their whereabouts. They could have quite possibly been the only copies of those edits in existence.
SO to hear that this lost edit (the Holy Grail) might have been uncovered is not much of a shock to me - it is not too uncommon of a tale, especially given what happens in both Editing Facilities and Production Comapny Vaults!

I was really hoping you still had those rough cuts too, too bad your boss took them.
Out of curiosity, what kinds of things were different? Was the Dune rough cut longer then the theatrical release version (and thus closer to the length David Lynch originally wanted)? Was the Blade Runner cut sans narration? Did it include unicorn related scenes?
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From what I remember of the Blade Runner rough cut, there was no narration and no unicorn shots yet.
It looked to be one of the first rough edits they had made of the film - wish I could remember more about it, but only saw it the one time. If you have ever seen rolls of film dailies befoe, this is what this version looked like - a bunch of film dailies edited together complete with the dailies audio - no sound effects or soundtrack music had been dubbed into the film yet.
I will NEVER forgive myself for not copying this onto a VHS while my boss wasn't looking.....
The Dune cut might have been the first edit of the Alan Smithee cut which Lynch had been dead set against - because after seeing that version last year on a full-screen DVD-r, I recalled a lot of that footage from the edit we found. So I am led to believe that it was simply an early version of Smithee's project.
Hope this helps...sorry I don't have more info for ya!
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A lot of the footage that ended up in the Smithee cut was presumebly going to be part of the original verion that Lynch wanted to make, as he was supposidly shooting for somewhere above the 180 min mark length-wise, but the studio made him edit it down to what became the theatrical release. No way to tell really, as the Smithee cut is about that length anyway, and length is about the only way we could have told as a Smithee rough cut could include any footage a Lynch rough cut could. As a stretch off the top of my head means of possibly determining it's origin, do you remember if a male voice or a female voice did the opening narration (assuming that there was an opening narration at all that is)?
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And I quote Dr. Reynolds from the Insider article (using the UK version since that's the one that's handy):

"The 'Lost Cut' survives today as a silent black-and-white 35mm copy in 13 reels."

Other quotes of interest from this article:

"...before the film was even finished, before the special effects and the shooting of the last scenes on the list - there was an early prototype of the film."

"While shooting in England was drawing to a hurried close in 1976 (the Blockade Runner interior shots had yet to be completed), Jympson assembled for Lucas and Kurtz a work-in-progress from the available footage - a rough cut of the film that lacked all the special effects, some scenes, and all the finishing touches, but which nonetheless offered a vision of how the movie was coming together."

"This early cut of the film was not meant as a polished work for presentation, and it was not the Star Wars that Lucas was ready to show anyone."

This is definitely a different cut of the film than the later rough cut (presumably in color) shown to Roy Thomas of Marvel Comics in February 1977.

"The main deleted scenes in the Lost Cut are those we already know: Luke at work in the vaporator field spotting the space battle overhead (seen as a lens flare with sparkles to indicate laser fire); his interaction with Biggs and the others in Anchorhead, and Han Solo's confrontation with a human Jabba the Hutt, which was restored and enhanced for the Special Edition."

I believe the Treadwell/vaporator scene on Behind the Magic came from the Lost Cut as well. It's silent, and it cuts to a "Scene Missing" card, which is characteristic of the Lost Cut with all its missing effects shots and scenes.

--SKot

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"and it cuts to a "Scene Missing" card, which is characteristic of the Lost Cut with all its missing effects shots and scenes."

I believe the missing scene is flashes from the space battle overhead.

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Actually, the missing scene it cuts to is either the wipe to the Blockade Runner interior (not filmed yet), or a shot of the landspeeder moving across the desert.

However, that does remind me that the "sparkle" shot of the ships firing on each other is not in the footage included on BTM. Strange. If it was from the Lost Cut, then according to Dr. Reynolds it should be there.

--SKot

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Lights Out! (lost TV anthology shows) [ONGOING]
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Originally posted by: Aziraphale
As a stretch off the top of my head means of possibly determining it's origin, do you remember if a male voice or a female voice did the opening narration (assuming that there was an opening narration at all that is)?


There was no narration on this edit, which is why I assume it must have been an early rough edit of either version.
I'm really kicking myself in the ass for not copying these...I would have loved to be able to give these to everyone.
Now they're probably sitting in the corner of some director's office (or his assistant's) collecting dust for the rest of eternity.
Well, there's always hope.......
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I want to apologize to everyone in here for getting their hopes up. My friend is a moron with a really bad sense of humor. No, he does not have this “Lost Cut”- he doesn’t even have a recreation. I asked him for details about the disc, he asked why, and I told him I talked about it in this forum and that people were interested. He started laughing.

He made the whole thing up, and I’m so mad that I came on here and made a fool of myself because of it. I should have kept my mouth shut until actually seeing it for myself. He’s a member on this very forum- he’s a Greek guy who joined late last year. What an idiot.

I’m sorry, guys. I guess it doesn’t exist, then. Please...no hate mail. I'm sorry.
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Color me unsurprised.

On the positive side, it's been an interesting discussion of the REAL Lost Cut, and what it actually is.

--SKot

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Lights Out! (lost TV anthology shows) [ONGOING]
Iznogoud (1995 animated series) English audio preservation [ONGOING]

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Hey, at least it got us all talking about it. I learned some things about the lost cut I didn't know before. It does seem to exist so maybe there is a chance one of us will get hold of it someday.
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Exactly, it did start up a wonderful conversation..and taught me a thing or two, as well!
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Tell your friend I find his lack of the lost cut disturbing.

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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Davis
I want to apologize to everyone in here for getting their hopes up. My friend is a moron with a really bad sense of humor. No, he does not have this “Lost Cut”- he doesn’t even have a recreation. I asked him for details about the disc, he asked why, and I told him I talked about it in this forum and that people were interested. He started laughing.

He made the whole thing up, and I’m so mad that I came on here and made a fool of myself because of it. I should have kept my mouth shut until actually seeing it for myself. He’s a member on this very forum- he’s a Greek guy who joined late last year. What an idiot.

I’m sorry, guys. I guess it doesn’t exist, then. Please...no hate mail. I'm sorry.


Your friend is now at #3 on my shit list!!!!!!

At this rate, Jedikev isn't going to be on it very long.....