oojason

paja said:

The shadow of that blaster on George’s stomach looks like Greedo indeed shot first!..

(I’m sorry 😉)

moviefreakedmind said:

CGI Tarkin was so distracting that I couldn’t take a single second that he was on screen seriously. They either should’ve recast him or had a different character. They absolutely will do this with Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and Harrison Ford a decade or two down the line.

I found CGI Tarkin to be a lot better in the cinema - than watching it at home on blu ray, and the opposite for Leia in R1. Hang on, did I? Was it the other way around? Sounds like a good excuse to go watch R1 again 😃

As some people have likely mentioned about watching R1, the people I associate with who don’t know who Peter Cushing was don’t seem to have realised or voiced concerns that it looked off or was CGI at all. A couple expressed surprised he was still alive as he’s been ‘around for ages’ (though they are not Hammer / Star Wars fans).

The Leia scene they did notice - likely because of they are more aware of Carrie/Leia, as well as the promo material releases of how they’d acheived it.

I thought a reflection shot of Leia in the ‘windscreen’ of the ship’s bridge saying the word ‘Hope’, and then have the camera shot swing around to show her face fully may have been pulled it all off a better (just my two penneth) - yet I still think it was done quite well.
 

A viewing of some of the R1 threads on here (and likely elsewhere) should conjure us up with the stolen data tapes provide some more info/insight.

^ Zak mate, none of your posts are showing properly - you’ll need to put a line gap between what the person you are quoting has said, and what you are going to say.

^ I found it to be an enjoyable and agreeable read.

(though there is just so much going on in the film)

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

TV’s Frink said:

So many angry people lol. 5/100 is Plan 9 territory. You’re just not being rational.

If you disagree feel free to say so, but calling people angry and irrational because they don’t have the same opinion about a movie as you do seems like really bad form.

I made one post where I generalized and said “ST defenders blah blah…” and the moderator threatened to ban me. So is this kind of posting allowed or what?

Actually I said that…

oojason said:

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

Possessed said:

This meme or whatever you call it is dumb. Obi-Wan didn’t tell Luke: “hey you’re Dad was an asshole and the Jedi deserve to die.” Yoda never told Luke: “there is no dark side or light side. the jedi were arrogant and wrong”.

The people who defend these ST movies are no different than the people who defend the prequels. Mental gymnastics and totally ignoring the spirit of the original movies. But hey look it’s Darth Mual with his cool double bladed lightsaber. Er…I mean look it’s Porgs and Kylo Ren with a saber handle! It’s Star Wars duh!

If that is your attitude - then why are you here? To bait or antagonise those on here that do like these films? If so your stay here is going to be a short one.

‘So is this kind of posting allowed or what?’ - no, you lying about my post to you for the third/fourth time (that I’ve seen - it could be more) isn’t on.

I consider that baiting or antagonising me (I’m also a member here too, don’t forget).

To which you were warned what would happen - as above.

^ a pretty good attitude to have mate, and also a refreshing one given the amount of negativity on here of late.

Let’s hope it’s an enjoyable one 😃

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If your tv is capable of playing media from a USB drive it may be worth getting a friend to download the Despecialzied Editions for you, and then copy them to a USB drive?

There are a fair few different sizes and formats out there on public torrent sites. It’s not ideal - but a decent stop-gap/alternative until you get your own pc and equipment etc…

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crissrudd4554 said:

Yeah, Star Wars is around and it ain’t leavin. Take it or leave it.

Very much this mate.

(Though a 4K OOT release wouldn’t go amiss either 😉)

An intriguing take on the Canto Bight story - in the context of those who say ‘it was a waste of time’ etc…

https://i.redd.it/lrjogkba1c701.jpg

Kylo vs Luke - in 16-bit style…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFfMN6lPnlA

trillary dump said:

oojason said:

Love the disc art used and those simple yet elegant back covers - nice one 😃

Thanks man it means a lot! I was also able to do one for TPM.

https://imgur.com/a/dNIlP

Let me know what you think!

A good match that - nice one. The discart too - I think you could possibly make the Star Wars logo a little larger on the discart (so it fills the yellow label part a bit more) - but it’s difficult to tell at times to what looks better on paper and how something appears when printed onto a disc.

Quality that, mate 😃

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

I just wonder if oojason thinks the fight between Vader and Luke in ROTJ was a draw that was broken apart by the Emperor using force lightning.

If you’re wondering what I think about certain things you likely need to get a life mate.

Why are you angry with me? I am not the only one that thinks Rey won the fight against Ren.

Who said I was angry? That you spend time wondering about what I think about is a little sad, and also weird. You probably wouldn’t get it right anyway 😉

Plus, I don’t care that you are not the only one that thinks Rey won the fight vs Rey. Again, read my first post on it if it bothers you that much.

And try not to project context of one argument into other situations. It does your own point of view - nor yourself - much good.

Huh?

I haven’t mentioned Luke vs Vader in ROTJ at all - you taking my opinion on the Kylo vs Rey fight from TFA and putting it into the context of Luke vs Vader in ROTJ is doing just that.
 

If you think I’m spending any more time and effort going around with in circles on this, think on. I am not.
 

If you wish you can discuss this ‘TFA Rey vs Ren fight’ topic you can do so in the TFA thread - this part of the conversation has gone on long enough - and lost it’s context within TLJ - in a thread on TLJ.

The same for everyone else who wishes to continue with it.

Sheesh.

If you have a problem with any of that feel free to PM me about it.

I’m off out for the night - Happy New Year 😃

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

I just wonder if oojason thinks the fight between Vader and Luke in ROTJ was a draw that was broken apart by the Emperor using force lightning.

If you’re wondering what I think about certain things you likely need to get a life mate.

Why are you angry with me? I am not the only one that thinks Rey won the fight against Ren.

Who said I was angry? That you spend time wondering about what I think about is a little sad, and also weird. You probably wouldn’t get it right anyway 😉

Plus, I don’t care that you are not the only one that thinks Rey won the fight vs Rey. Again, read my first post on it if it bothers you that much.

And try not to project context of one argument into other situations. It does your own point of view - nor yourself - much good.

Huh?

I haven’t mentioned Luke vs Vader in ROTJ at all - you taking my opinion on the Kylo vs Rey fight from TFA and putting it into the context of Luke vs Vader in ROTJ is doing just that.
 

If you think I’m spending any more time and effort going around with in circles on this, think on. I am not.
 

If you wish you can discuss this ‘TFA Rey vs Ren fight’ topic you can do so in the TFA thread - this part of the conversation has gone on long enough - and lost it’s context within TLJ - in a thread on TLJ.

The same for everyone else who wishes to continue with it.

liamnotneeson said:

Also, one last thing. I like the recoloring in the “Fatherly Ties” scene, but BOY OH BOY, that dialogue, “Betting on races.” I’ts objectively worse than anything else said in the prequels. Yeah the virgin birth in the PT wasn’t handled well, but this is not how it should be fixed

I don’t want to be a dick, I think it’s just a really dumb sequence of dialogue

I suggest you put this in a more polite or constructive manner - and take what you have seen in the context of what this project is - at the stage it is at (unfinished).

Warbler said:

I just wonder if oojason thinks the fight between Vader and Luke in ROTJ was a draw that was broken apart by the Emperor using force lightning.

If you’re wondering what I think about certain things you likely need to get a life mate.

And try not to project context of one argument into other situations. It does your own point of view - nor yourself - much good.

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Happy New Year to you mate - and to everyone on here 😃

DrDre said:

oojason said:

Right, yeah the screenplay - I didn’t see the edit for imsdb before posting.

Again, as you missed the part of my post where it says ‘you can even see it in the film, in case you need to go looking for more articles to prove what actually happened in the film… didn’t happen’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTz-ahXyyI (around 4m 15s in - though watch the whole fight if you wish to take into consideration the context in which my original posts mentioned)

^ Doesn’t seem that there’s any time for that before the planet breaks up (again, I may have already mentioned this before - and also linked to it before).

 

I really got to get to bed. G’night.

I have watched the fight many times, and each came to the same conclusion every other user here did. She won the fight.

Kylo who’s already seriously injured, and psychologically compromised, is quickly outmatched by Rey once she composes herself, and allows the Force to guide her actions. She disarms, injures him, and puts him on his back. He looks hurt, and totally bewildered, while she’s towering over him with her lightsaber. Then the ground splits between them.

This is how I read the scene since the first time I saw it. I also believe, this is the intented interpretation of the creators.

You obviously see it differently, even if you appear to be unique in this view.

Let’s agree to disagree.

G’afternoon, by the way…

Seems we see it very much the same (my first post on this)…

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

Rey won a lightsaber fight without any training at all. This indicates that she is special and incredibly strong in the force and it begs for an explanation.

When was this lightsabre fight?

In TFA.

You are referring to the sabre fight vs Ren in TFA - where he was already injured from Chewbacca’s powerful crossbow shot, was bleeding from it, also taking a hit from his sabre fight with Finn, and also felt conflicted & weak over just killing his father? In a fight in which the aim was not to kill Rey - but to bring her to Snoke… a fight in which he actually offered to be her teacher… and in which Rey was on the backfoot for nearly all of it before ‘letting the force in’…

Rey didn’t win the lightsabre fight at all… even after ‘letting the force in’ as it were - though she had gained the upper hand by scarring him & put him on his arse - yet the fight was broken up by the planet coming apart…
 

(apart from the ‘result’)

And, aye, we should agree to disagree on this. Good afternoon to your good self mate 😃

TV’s Frink said:

Good night OT dot com. Good work. Sleep well. I’ll most likely kill you in the morning.

Thankfully, I awoke from my sleep to find my uncle standing over me about to strike me down with a lightsabre - so thought ‘best not then’, and had a cup of coffee instead.

Plus, there’s always tomorrow…

😉

Valheru_84 said:

I think watching TLJ has done something to my brain for me to watch this to the end…

https://youtu.be/ntnarC4ii1s

.Val

Brilliant - reminded me of some of the earlier video edits on youtube back in the day 😃

timemeddler said:

for me it’s definite no, don’t encouarge disney to produce vomit.

If you want to be critical of the films in the Disney era that’s fine.

Posting ‘produce vomit’ - is not, knock it off.

Right, yeah the screenplay - I didn’t see the edit for imsdb before posting.

Again, as you missed the part of my post where it says ‘you can even see it in the film, in case you need to go looking for more articles to prove what actually happened in the film… didn’t happen’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTz-ahXyyI (around 4m 15s in - though watch the whole fight if you wish to take into consideration the context in which my original posts mentioned)

^ Doesn’t seem that there’s any time for that before the planet breaks up (again, I may have already mentioned this before - and also linked to it before).

I really got to get to bed. G’night.

DrDre said:

oojason said:

DrDre said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

Rey won a lightsaber fight without any training at all. This indicates that she is special and incredibly strong in the force and it begs for an explanation.

When was this lightsabre fight?

In TFA.

You are referring to the sabre fight vs Ren in TFA - where he was already injured from Chewbacca’s powerful crossbow shot, was bleeding from it, also taking a hit from his sabre fight with Finn, and also felt conflicted & weak over just killing his father? In a fight in which the aim was not to kill Rey - but to bring her to Snoke… a fight in which he actually offered to be her teacher… and in which Rey was on the backfoot for nearly all of it before ‘letting the force in’…

Rey didn’t win the lightsabre fight at all… even after ‘letting the force in’ as it were - though she had gained the upper hand by scarring him & put him on his arse - yet the fight was broken up by the planet coming apart…

Um, she did win the fight. The only reason he survived or wasn’t taken prisoner is because of the planet coming apart.

No, he’s just on his arse. There was no winner due to the planet coming apart.

Go watch the fight again. He was on ass before the planet came apart. He was on the ground helpless for 15 seconds before the planet came apart and they were separated. She won the fight.

Look this and tell me she didn’t win the fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTz-ahXyyI&feature=youtu.be&t=4m18s

How about you go watch all of the fight again? And post in on here (don’t worry - I have below).

Just because - as I stated before - he is on his arse and scarred in the final few blows of the fight - doesn’t mean she won the fight.

The planet came apart before there was any ‘winner’.

Selecting certain scenes from an overall event to highlight an opinion does not make it fact. I find it baffling that you think it does.

Try watching the whole fight, here you go - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTz-ahXyyI - and put it into context of my previous posts. Rey is on the back foot and losing the fight - on the edge of a ‘cliff’ before she let’s the force in… and even then the planet breaks apart before there any winner…

I don’t buy this. Did Luke not win the fight against Vader in ROTJ? Vader was wounded, disarmed, and on his arse like Kylo. Once Rey found her composure, and used the Force she got the better of Kylo pretty quickly. If the earthquake had not separated them, she could have sliced him in half. I would call that winning the fight.

Again, don’t take my previous comments out of context - or give conjecture to them (‘could’) - in that…

'You are referring to the sabre fight vs Ren in TFA - where he was already injured from Chewbacca’s powerful crossbow shot, was bleeding from it, also taking a hit from his sabre fight with Finn, and also felt conflicted & weak over just killing his father? In a fight in which the aim was not to kill Rey - but to bring her to Snoke… a fight in which he actually offered to be her teacher… and in which Rey was on the backfoot for nearly all of it before ‘letting the force in’…

Rey didn’t win the lightsabre fight at all… even after ‘letting the force in’ as it were - though she had gained the upper hand by scarring him & put him on his arse - yet the fight was broken up by the planet coming apart…’

For all we know Kylo could have lost his cool - in doing so ignoring Snoke’s instructions to bring her to him and sliced her in half… see conjecture…
 

Again, circular arguments selectively cherrypicked to try - and fail - to prove your point does you - nor you view any favours.

Sorry this makes no sense to me. You’re willfully ignoring what happens in the film. Kylo isn’t even able to properly defend himself, which is why he lands in his arse wounded and beaten. Vader did not want to kill Luke. He wanted to turn Luke. Conjecture: Vader loses his cool, ignores his master’s wishes, and slices Luke in half. Ergo, Vader didn’t lose the fight. Doesn’t sound very convincing, does it?

Snoke in TLJ:

“You got beaten by a girl? A novice?!!”

I will repeat that phrase: BEATEN. Kylo Ren got beaten in TFA. That’s the official canon.

According to Snoke’s point of view - in a dismissive put-down to Ren. That it not canon. A girl who Snoke now realises is the light rising to fight the darkness - not Skywalker as he mistakenly assumed earlier (and mentioned earlier - which again you seemed to have conveniently ignored, again).

And I didn’t mention Vader and Luke at all.

Plus, once again the planet breaks up before there is a winner.

 

She may well be special and strong with the force - Snoke’s on-screen ascertain to Rey that… ‘So much strength. Darkness rises and light to meet it’ & ‘I warned my young apprentice that as he grew stronger that the equal in the light would rise’ (and his mistaken assumption that was Luke - not Rey) is a statement of this. That you choose to ignore this as an explanation is on you.

As I said, I buy that explanation because this thing of the equal of the light rising wasn’t shown or referred to in any of the other movies.

Things evolve and change over the course of these films - that they aren’t mentioned or shown previously does not negate them. That it is mentioned on-screen - whether you agree, dislike, or ‘buy’ it - does not negate it.

Either it is a thing that exists or it doesn’t. If it exists what are the odds something like wouldn’t be mentioned at all?
It didn’t happen the PT, It didn’t happen between Luke and Vader. It is not mentioned at all in any previous film. That is the problem when you decide to invent something new, you have to account for its absence in the prior films. I don’t the evolve and change stuff. Either this is something the force does or it doesn’t.

If you want to ignore an explanation then go ahead and ignore it - but don’t then state there wasn’t one / or that it then ‘begs for an explanation’.

Maybe I should have said “begs for a better explanation”.

It exists in this film - as stated above. You can go back and select whatever criteria you wish - it does not make it that it did not happen in this film. I don’t have to account for it not appearing for it’s absence in previous films at all - as that is not what the context of the situation is about.

Though if so, I could point out that the balance of the force - and it’s interpretation - is indeed mentioned in the PT, yes?

Nice one, thanks.

Yes, and that interpretation is, that balance to the Force is equated to destroying the Sith, as stated in ROTS by Obi-Wan, and since confirmed by Lucas in interviews after ROTS was released.

No, It is also mentioned by Mace Windu too, amongst others. Yes? Without equating the balance in destroying the Sith? Thank you for the reminder in proving my point.

George can say what he wants in interviews after the fact - he is hardly a paragon of consistency, or fact/truth is he?

Yes, the balance is mentioned without any explanation. The only explanation given in the films is the one given by Obi-Wan, hence it is the only correct interpretation. Anything else is fan fiction, or head canon. Luke’s parentage was only confirmed by Yoda in ROTJ. Should we thus ignore this fact, because it doesn’t fit a fan’s narrative? I’m sure Lucas has mentioned Vader being Luke’s father too in interviews, but…

George can say what he wants in interviews after the fact - he is hardly a paragon of consistency, or fact/truth is he?

Actually, it is mentioned in the context of the prophecy of ‘the one who will bring balance to the force’ - as previously stated, an interpretation - but actually mentioned - which was the point. This is a fact - not a fan’s narrative, yes?

Again, thanks.
 

I’ve had my fill of answering selective statements whilst going around in circles - again, as stated before. I’m sure you’ll have even more selective statements out of context repeatedly made for those who disagree with your opinions on TLJ. If not, there are always Rey is the Wonder Woman of Star Wars universe type quips.
 

As for StarWars.com articles - Rey didn’t have time to spare Kylo’s life… the erm… planet broke up before there was a winner (I think I may have mentioned it before 😉) - you can even see it in the film, in case you need to go looking for more articles to ‘prove’ what actually happened in the film… didn’t happen. Or something.

G’night.

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

oojason said:

Get over yourself.

Anyway…

See Rule 2 - ‘Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person’ - as ray_afraid said previously, it is a personal attack on those who do enjoy them.

I suggest you heed the rule.

 

And also, lose the attitude.

I don’t have an attitude. You threatened me and (incorrectly) said I was trolling people, when it’s obvious I wasn’t. Someone else posted a disingenuous meme that I rebutted with logic. If you like the movie you like it, if you don’t like it you don’t like it, but some people can’t let any slight go unanswered, even if they have to do mental gymnastics to make dishonest points.

At the objection of another user, I did go back and qualify my statement by saying not all people who like the movie are that way. Of course that’s true, and I regret that in my haste I implied otherwise.

If you had politely pointed out my improper generalization, I would have quickly agreed with you. Don’t you think?

But rudeness without an any effort at discourse is usually a sign of contempt.
Is it the user name, or the hatred of TLJ and Disney? Just curious.

I missed this.

No, I didn’t threaten you - incorrectly or otherwise. Nor did I say you were trolling people.

I suggest you re-read my words again…

‘If that is your attitude - then why are you here? To bait or antagonise those on here that do like these films? If so your stay here is going to be a short one.’

Note the question - not a statement, not a threat - just a heads-up that IF you are here to bait or antagonise those on here that do like these films your stay on here will be a short one.
 

And you certainly do have an attitude - your posts to me alone prove so.

Rein it in.