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CaptainFaraday said:

I remember Hal saying that soaring majestic music from the final TROS trailer sadly didn’t fit over the climax of the movie, but I don’t remember actually seeing test footage of it myself. Did anyone ever actually make and export an attempt at adding it? (I rewatched the trailer and that soundtrack is just fantastic, and I think it’s a real shame it can’t fit into the movie.)

I did! and I think it fits perfectly… here is just an attempt… if I could only remove the original score in that scene… Take a look at it!!

https://vimeo.com/513676024

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It does fit quite well. The only problem is that it is too loud over all the dialogue (which is especially concerning because the Jedi voices are so quiet to begin with).

Exsqueeze me.

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I have! It’s a bit rough since I’m new to editing but here it is:

https://vimeo.com/459982104

I think it fits much better as a climatic score, it’s an amazing track, and gets rid of ANOTHER unfitting misuse of the Force theme.

And over in the TROS ideas thread, amobex recently made an edit of the music over the reylo scene:

https://vimeo.com/512376889 password: fanedit

Plus said he’s interested in working on a smoother version of what I tried 😃

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

It does fit quite well. The only problem is that it is too loud over all the dialogue (which is especially concerning because the Jedi voices are so quiet to begin with).

Sure, it is just a test, to see if it would fit. This could be solved if someone had the skills to remove the original BGM

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Brewzter said:

I have! It’s a bit rough since I’m new to editing but here it is:

https://vimeo.com/manage/459982104/general

I think it fits much better as a climatic score, it’s an amazing track, and gets rid of ANOTHER unfitting misuse of the Force theme.

And over in the TROS ideas thread, amobex recently made an edit of the music over the reylo scene:

https://vimeo.com/512376889

Plus said he’s interested in working on a smoother version of what I tried 😃

Yours doesn’t seem to link to a video, at least for me - it links to the vimeo login page instead.

The other one prompts me for a password, which I don’t know.

I’m psyched to see people have done it, though!

“It’s like rhymetry. They poem.” - Leorge Gucas

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AntonioGK said:

CaptainFaraday said:

I remember Hal saying that soaring majestic music from the final TROS trailer sadly didn’t fit over the climax of the movie, but I don’t remember actually seeing test footage of it myself. Did anyone ever actually make and export an attempt at adding it? (I rewatched the trailer and that soundtrack is just fantastic, and I think it’s a real shame it can’t fit into the movie.)

I did! and I think it fits perfectly… here is just an attempt… if I could only remove the original score in that scene… Take a look at it!!

https://vimeo.com/513676024

I was thinking of centring the main theme drop on the moment when she swings the second lightsaber up, but honestly, this works brilliantly!

“It’s like rhymetry. They poem.” - Leorge Gucas

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CaptainFaraday said:

Yours doesn’t seem to link to a video, at least for me - it links to the vimeo login page instead.

The other one prompts me for a password, which I don’t know.

Whoops! Just fixed it, but here it is again:

https://vimeo.com/459982104

and the password for the other one is just fanedit

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Brewzter said:

CaptainFaraday said:

Yours doesn’t seem to link to a video, at least for me - it links to the vimeo login page instead.

The other one prompts me for a password, which I don’t know.

Whoops! Just fixed it, but here it is again:

https://vimeo.com/459982104

and the password for the other one is just fanedit

Holy hell, I can’t believe how well it works over all three versions. I was absolutely sure it wouldn’t work over the kiss, but it does.

Sidenote; Ben vanishing into the Force isn’t in Hal’s current edit (unless I’m misremembering) - is the intention to add it? I can’t tell if it would strengthen or weaken the Ben Force Ghost “reveal” on Tatooine at the end.

Also: does anyone have the Rey and Palpatine fight with the original soundtrack removed (preferably the version with the Force Ghosts added) which they could send to me? I really want to try out a different trailer-music-placement of my own.

“It’s like rhymetry. They poem.” - Leorge Gucas

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AFAIK Ben’s death is still in this edit. Canon is kinda vague on whether he became a Force ghost, or his soul literally joined with Rey’s, or whether he’s somewhere waiting to be rescued… 😉 but I believe this edit just assumes he became one

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It’s weird that there are so many potential places to add the trailer music. This is where I thought it could be added:

https://streamable.com/zmluye

(Bear in mind that this is a very rough test that I did quickly. I’m not sure how feasible it would be to remove the original score from this scene, as it seems to be nicely layered into all of the audio channels.)

Also, for what it’s worth, I do think AntonioGK’s version fits well; but I absolutely adore the way John Williams scored the “Be With Me” scene in the film. The chaos of the battle raging around her, and he…pulls the music back. A light little reprise of Rey’s Theme. And it builds from there. It’s my favorite-scored moment of the entire film, and I’d be really heartbroken to get rid of it. Besides, for all of the complaints that the Force Theme is overused in the film, isn’t it ideal to use in a scene that’s all about channeling the Force?

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I think this discussion and experimenting of the trailer music would be better suited for the general edits thread. We and Hal went through nearly the exact same options many pages ago in this thread and ultimately decided against it (at least partially because, as Neverar said, it doesn’t match the rest of the movie score).

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CaptainFaraday said:

I remember Hal saying that soaring majestic music from the final TROS trailer sadly didn’t fit over the climax of the movie, but I don’t remember actually seeing test footage of it myself. Did anyone ever actually make and export an attempt at adding it? (I rewatched the trailer and that soundtrack is just fantastic, and I think it’s a real shame it can’t fit into the movie.)

I used it in my edit of The Last Jedi. Worked fine (for me). Samples in the Thread (Link in Signature)

My Fan-Edits:
The Last Jedi Reforged
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Last-Jedi-Reforged-Released/id/79295

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Revitalized
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Kingdom-of-the-Crystal-Skull-Revitalized-Released/id/79713

The Lone Ranger Essential Cut
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/the-lone-ranger-essential-cut-released/id/82108

Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein Mature Cut
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/mary-shelleys-frankenstein-mature-cut-released/id/82111

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NeverarGreat said:

My two cents: the trailer music uses an entirely different musical language than Williams, and is thus impossible to integrate into the film.

Yup

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Yeah, really don’t like any of this trailer music, lol. It’s way too bombastic and “This is awesome because they are winning now!!! Feel excited about what is happening!!!” when that’s not really appropriate. Really takes me out of the movie. It’s trailer music for a reason.

Save the Sebastian Shaw Ghost! Save the dream…!

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One thing that would be very nice for V2 is more establishing shots. Maybe some of the technical gurus on here could make some shots of the Falcon or Ochi’s ship in space heading towards Kimji or Tatooine at the end of the movie.

Like how @poppa made the shot of Ochi’s ship flying away, anything that can add some breathing room. Maybe a shot of Ren’s TIE approaching Anch-To? Rey taking Luke’s X-Wing and leaving Anch-To in space? Or maybe a tease of Vader’s TIE leaving Endor?

The Skywalker Saga Viewing Order:
I: C.O.D. | II: T.A.S. | III: L.O.E. AE
IV: Revisited | V: Revisited | VI: Revisited
VII: Restructured | VIII: Rekindled | IX: Ascendant

This is the way.

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I agree, I don’t have any specific ideas but I’d love to see more establishing shots

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For sure, any of that sort of thing would be welcome, as long as it fits in nicely.

Also, there will not be any trailer music used. I like the trailer music, but not in the movie itself.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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List of space/ships shots that could hopefully be made by someone with WAY more skills than me:

  • Space shot of Ochi’s ship approaching Kimji
  • Shot of Ren’s TIE approaching Endor
  • Shot of Rey in Ren’s TIE leaving Endor
  • Shot of Rey in Ren’s TIE approaching Anch-To
  • Rey taking Luke’s X-Wing and leaving Anch-To in space
  • A tease of Vader’s TIE leaving Endor
  • The Falcon in space approaching Tatooine

The Skywalker Saga Viewing Order:
I: C.O.D. | II: T.A.S. | III: L.O.E. AE
IV: Revisited | V: Revisited | VI: Revisited
VII: Restructured | VIII: Rekindled | IX: Ascendant

This is the way.

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DZ-330 said:

List of space/ships shots that could hopefully be made by someone with WAY more skills than me:

  • Space shot of Ochi’s ship approaching Kimji
  • Shot of Ren’s TIE approaching Endor
  • Shot of Rey in Ren’s TIE leaving Endor
  • Shot of Rey in Ren’s TIE approaching Anch-To
  • Rey taking Luke’s X-Wing and leaving Anch-To in space
  • A tease of Vader’s TIE leaving Endor
  • The Falcon in space approaching Tatooine

I like all of these except for the TIE approaching Endor, I think it’s important to preserve the “surprise” when Kylo stops the Wayfinder on the throne room floor and it’s revealed that he’s there that way.

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I rewatched TFA and TLJ over the last two days, the first time watching either since TROS came out. This was my first ‘full hindsight’ viewing, assessing how the story washes over me after I know how it all turns out.

I found TFA relatively free of tension with TROS. Rey maintains hope of her parents returning for her, though comes to admit that she is lying to herself and turns her attention to Luke. She awakens the Force within her, including aggression and darkness at the end. Snoke is a shadowy figure who we know is working behind the scenes for Palpatine, likely the way Dooku does. TROS:A alleviates this weirdness by not requiring the audience to see Snoke as a totally artificial being who would be technically very young.

TLJ was surprisingly smooth also, with Snoke again being the weirdest part. It does not seem at all hinted at that he is a cloned vessel, so I prefer to think of him as a Dooku-esque recruit with a history all his own that we don’t see. Ben cannot bring himself to kill Leia, who goes on to represent the last vestige of light that comes to redeem him. Rey and Luke fear her inner darkness. Rey’s parents do feel like a weird point here, as Rey seems to admit to herself that her parents really did ‘throw her away like garbage’ and ‘sold her off for drinking money.’ Her initial memories of them and their noble promises give way to letting them go and no longer concerning herself with the good-for-nothings. Then, in TROS she has these repressed ‘bad hope’ memories and longings reignited by being forced to again view them as noble and good. I guess. Luke saves the day, making the difference between no one coming to help on Crait when the Resistance calls for help and everyone coming in TROS.

It seems healthy for Rey to move on from her attachment to her parents, with TFA and TLJ agreeing. For TROS to essentially say, “Oh, no, you’re wrong, they were actually good people” seems like a regression. Rey had already grown past them, y’know?

I guess I’ll have to watch TROS next in order to take the whole ST story in within a short timeframe and see what else sticks out to me. Also, I watched my fan edits so there honestly may be other things that didn’t stick out because they’ve been addressed and I didn’t think about them.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Brewzter said:

DZ-330 said:

List of space/ships shots that could hopefully be made by someone with WAY more skills than me:

  • Space shot of Ochi’s ship approaching Kimji
  • Shot of Ren’s TIE approaching Endor
  • Shot of Rey in Ren’s TIE leaving Endor
  • Shot of Rey in Ren’s TIE approaching Anch-To
  • Rey taking Luke’s X-Wing and leaving Anch-To in space
  • A tease of Vader’s TIE leaving Endor
  • The Falcon in space approaching Tatooine

I like all of these except for the TIE approaching Endor, I think it’s important to preserve the “surprise” when Kylo stops the Wayfinder on the throne room floor and it’s revealed that he’s there that way.

Or Ben rummaging around, and staring indecisively at both Vader’s TIE and an Imperial Shuttle.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Hal 9000 said:

Brewzter said:

DZ-330 said:

List of space/ships shots that could hopefully be made by someone with WAY more skills than me:

  • Space shot of Ochi’s ship approaching Kimji
  • Shot of Ren’s TIE approaching Endor
  • Shot of Rey in Ren’s TIE leaving Endor
  • Shot of Rey in Ren’s TIE approaching Anch-To
  • Rey taking Luke’s X-Wing and leaving Anch-To in space
  • A tease of Vader’s TIE leaving Endor
  • The Falcon in space approaching Tatooine

I like all of these except for the TIE approaching Endor, I think it’s important to preserve the “surprise” when Kylo stops the Wayfinder on the throne room floor and it’s revealed that he’s there that way.

Or Ben rummaging around, and staring indecisively at both Vader’s TIE and an Imperial Shuttle.

This is the point where an interactive DVD menu pops up and prompts the viewer to select which craft Ben should take.

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Hal 9000 said:

I rewatched TFA and TLJ over the last two days, the first time watching either since TROS came out. This was my first ‘full hindsight’ viewing, assessing how the story washes over me after I know how it all turns out.

I found TFA relatively free of tension with TROS. Rey maintains hope of her parents returning for her, though comes to admit that she is lying to herself and turns her attention to Luke. She awakens the Force within her, including aggression and darkness at the end. Snoke is a shadowy figure who we know is working behind the scenes for Palpatine, likely the way Dooku does. TROS:A alleviates this weirdness by not requiring the audience to see Snoke as a totally artificial being who would be technically very young.

TLJ was surprisingly smooth also, with Snoke again being the weirdest part. It does not seem at all hinted at that he is a cloned vessel, so I prefer to think of him as a Dooku-esque recruit with a history all his own that we don’t see. Ben cannot bring himself to kill Leia, who goes on to represent the last vestige of light that comes to redeem him. Rey and Luke fear her inner darkness. Rey’s parents do feel like a weird point here, as Rey seems to admit to herself that her parents really did ‘throw her away like garbage’ and ‘sold her off for drinking money.’ Her initial memories of them and their noble promises give way to letting them go and no longer concerning herself with the good-for-nothings. Then, in TROS she has these repressed ‘bad hope’ memories and longings reignited by being forced to again view them as noble and good. I guess. Luke saves the day, making the difference between no one coming to help on Crait when the Resistance calls for help and everyone coming in TROS.

It seems healthy for Rey to move on from her attachment to her parents, with TFA and TLJ agreeing. For TROS to essentially say, “Oh, no, you’re wrong, they were actually good people” seems like a regression. Rey had already grown past them, y’know?

I guess I’ll have to watch TROS next in order to take the whole ST story in within a short timeframe and see what else sticks out to me. Also, I watched my fan edits so there honestly may be other things that didn’t stick out because they’ve been addressed and I didn’t think about them.

There is that disconnect between TLJ and TROS in regards with that (which we know there’s a lot of disconnect between these two movies).

She starts with TFA “waiting for people that won’t come back.” then to “They are nobodies” in TLJ and then to “They were good people, AVENGE THEM!”

Of course it’d be good to view the edits together to let it stew a bit … but it does seem to be something that needs to be addressed, even with a Palpy or non-Palpy family edits. For just an initial reaction, would it help to have her in TLJ NOT say there were nobodies and just have Kylo “talk at her” about them, be it his thoughts or misunderstandings about them. She doesn’t respond, but doesn’t refute it, maybe even agreeing with his assessment or something since she doesn’t know the truth, but it is a “reasonable” conclusion about them.

Her response in TLJ was perceived more of an “admitting the truth since she was lying to herself” and not just a gut response since, well, they haven’t come back to her so they must have just ditched her since they were drunks or whatever.

By removing her responding to Kylo in that scene, it make make it more natural to have the “answer” about her parents in the next movie. There’s no definitive answer yet. That way it’s more of what HE is saying about them, and not the truth. Remember to: Dark Side/Bad Guys are not about the truth, they are manipulators and he is clearly trying to get her on his side by whatever means.

Of course, just an initial thought, could change in time.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”