Rogue One * Spoilers * Thread — Page 130

imperialscum said:

Don’t embarrass yourself.

You should take your own advice and stop making the same post over and over and over again. No one cares.

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

The only one that can really be considered high art is ESB and that’s not to say that SW and TFA aren’t great films but if we compare those films to some of the all time greats they won’t hold up nearly as well as ESB would.

First, what is this “high art” crap anyway? Seem like some irrelevant snobbish thing that does not have any connection to the reality.

When it comes to comparison to other great films, I think ANH is the only one that can stand alone and be compared. Yes, ESB has more complex story and a bit better execution, but its story is completely dependant on the other two films and it builds on many concepts introduced in the original. Not to mention ANH was by far more culturally impactful and historically significant.

That’s fine and all but if we compare the movies in all aspects of film making and storytelling Empire towers over STAR WARS in my opinion as all that other stuff you’re talking about has no bearing on how I view a film. I rate movies solely on the content.

Frank your Majesty said:

Lord Haseo said:

The only one that can really be considered high art is ESB and that’s not to say that SW and TFA aren’t great films but if we compare those films to some of the all time greats they won’t hold up nearly as well as ESB would. Then if we bring Rogue1 and ROTJ into the fold any kind of argument for why those are as great as ESB (or the other all time greats) would wither and die very swiftly.

I disagree. The overall writing in Empire may be better than in Star Wars, but stylistically Empire isn’t nearly as bold as its predecessor. In my opinion, the cinematography in Star Wars is unmatched by any other movie in the franchise.

I think cinematography (and style in general) only goes so far when we’re talking about all time greats. In my opinion strong writing in terms of plot and characters trumps all.

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

When it comes to comparison to other great films, I think ANH is the only one that can stand alone and be compared. Yes, ESB has more complex story and a bit better execution, but its story is completely dependant on the other two films and it builds on many concepts introduced in the original. Not to mention ANH was by far more culturally impactful and historically significant.

That’s fine and all but if we compare the movies in all aspects of film making and storytelling Empire towers over STAR WARS in my opinion as all that other stuff you’re talking about has no bearing on how I view a film. I rate movies solely on the content.

You mean all other stuff I am talking about, like story, has no bearing on how you view the film? If you rate solely on the content in the individual film, ESB is quite weak story-wise. The story is incomplete in the beginning and more-so in the end.

I’m not saying to act as if STAR WARS didn’t exist while watching/rating ESB; I’m just judging the competency of the writing. When I’m discussing the quality of two movies in the same series I don’t have preconceived notions about other entries in the Saga because that’s just weird.

imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

No one cares.

You seem to care enough to reply to most of my posts…

No one cares that you don’t like TFA. A lot of people care that most of your posts consist of “TFA is a crap.”

I agree with Density’s posts on the last page, but I wasn’t making the same argument as him. I don’t care about high art films or products or anything of the sort. I care about good movies, quality filmmaking. My argument was directed towards the audience, not the filmmakers. It’s a sad reflection on society when an entire generation of people don’t bother to scrutinize the quality or craftsmanship of the entertainment they consume–that they can be distracted by, and only really care to seek out…those good old things of yore.

That’s one of the parody points RLM hit on in their recent shorts around the time R1 came out.

“I know DARTH VADER”
“AT-STs! AT-STs!”

A **** film gets made with all kinds of junk plotholes, rehashes, totally illogical things going on, no character development, etc. etc. But a lot of people gobble it up because it’s familiar. They recognize it. The Beauty and the Beast example I gave was a great one, because in the original you have some voice actors who were gifted singers. They either never starred in another movie, or they were obscure TV actors, but boy could they sing. And that’s what the film called for.

Then in this new movie, you have a lot of actors who simply cannot sing. But they are names! People recognize them from this other movie they saw…or that other movie they liked. It’s without a doubt a corporate decision, and whoever said it wasn’t, has no clue what they are talking about. Lucasfilm is not completely autonomous from Disney. Of course they have a lot of latitude and they are not going to be micromanaged, but when push comes to shove if the Disney execs give them marching orders then you better believe they follow those orders or they would be out of a job.

Alderaan said:
A **** film gets made with all kinds of junk plotholes

Elaborate.

rehashes

totally illogical things going on

Elaborate.

no character development

Some character development but not enough for most of the characters.

Alderaan said:

It’s a sad reflection on society when an entire generation of people don’t bother to scrutinize the quality or craftsmanship of the entertainment they consume–that they can be distracted by, and only really care to seek out…those good old things of yore.

That would be sad if it was what was actually happening.

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

When it comes to comparison to other great films, I think ANH is the only one that can stand alone and be compared. Yes, ESB has more complex story and a bit better execution, but its story is completely dependant on the other two films and it builds on many concepts introduced in the original. Not to mention ANH was by far more culturally impactful and historically significant.

That’s fine and all but if we compare the movies in all aspects of film making and storytelling Empire towers over STAR WARS in my opinion as all that other stuff you’re talking about has no bearing on how I view a film. I rate movies solely on the content.

You mean all other stuff I am talking about, like story, has no bearing on how you view the film? If you rate solely on the content in the individual film, ESB is quite weak story-wise. The story is incomplete in the beginning and more-so in the end.

I’m not saying to act as if STAR WARS didn’t exist while watching/rating ESB; I’m just judging the competency of the writing. When I’m discussing the quality of two movies in the same series I don’t have preconceived notions about other entries in the Saga because that’s just weird.

If you compare within the series that is fine. But that is not what we are talking about here. If you compare a film to other great films you have to do it individually.

But if you compare ESB to those films without preconceived notions and with quality being the only thing you’re analyzing you wouldn’t have that problem. The problem is yours buddy.

On a side note I’d like to one one of these mothafuckas as a pet.

Why do I even visit this site

Masochism? It’s one of my reasons.

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

When it comes to comparison to other great films, I think ANH is the only one that can stand alone and be compared. Yes, ESB has more complex story and a bit better execution, but its story is completely dependant on the other two films and it builds on many concepts introduced in the original. Not to mention ANH was by far more culturally impactful and historically significant.

That’s fine and all but if we compare the movies in all aspects of film making and storytelling Empire towers over STAR WARS in my opinion as all that other stuff you’re talking about has no bearing on how I view a film. I rate movies solely on the content.

You mean all other stuff I am talking about, like story, has no bearing on how you view the film? If you rate solely on the content in the individual film, ESB is quite weak story-wise. The story is incomplete in the beginning and more-so in the end.

I’m not saying to act as if STAR WARS didn’t exist while watching/rating ESB; I’m just judging the competency of the writing. When I’m discussing the quality of two movies in the same series I don’t have preconceived notions about other entries in the Saga because that’s just weird.

If you compare within the series that is fine. But that is not what we are talking about here. If you compare a film to other great films you have to do it individually.

But if you compare ESB to those films without preconceived notions and with quality being the only thing you’re analyzing you wouldn’t have that problem. The problem is yours buddy.

So the most important part of the film (i.e. story) is not part of your “quality”? And unless you can provide me an objective measure to define quality (you cannot), your argument fails in its basics.

Lord Haseo said:

DominicCobb said:

Why do I even visit this site

Fan preservations?