Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 83

^ I’m with ya again.

Some people consider the Holiday Special and the Ewoks shows/movies canon

Just 'cuz it’s headcanon doesn’t make it true 😛

Lord Haseo said:

Also posting this because it still baffles me how some can see Rey and Finn escaping as being a problem when there were more ships in orbit during the Battle of Hoth that caused Luke no trouble and that’s fine. I really need someone to explain this to me.

Well I have already said this many times when people complained about ground Battle of Endor being unrealistic (in relation to ewoks). Rebel escape from Hoth is by far more unrealistic outcome than rebels and ewoks beating a company sized unit in that particular sector of Endor.

Btw I love that shot in ESB.

None of it is true. It’s all fiction, not history. So you can take what you like and ignore the rest. I ignore most things labeled Star Wars.

yotsuya said:

Lord Haseo said:

yotsuya said:
That the Falcon zooms away at sublight means it would be easy to track.

Do you have anything to substantiate this or just your own musings?

ANH and TESB. If the hyperdrive is working the Falcon can escape. If it isn’t or isn’t used, the Falcon is easy to track and catch. The Empire did it several times. And the First Order can’t do it once? They loose them because they fly away from the planet? Bad writing. And the Falcon just happens to then break down, and Han and Chewy stumble on it (and ask where they got it when if they were that close to Jakku it would be kind of obvious). There is just no tension there after you see the Star Destroyer just sitting in orbit. If the hyperdrive had worked for a few seconds and then quit, the rest of the story would make sense. Without something else, it just stretches things too far. Unless Inspector Clouseau was in charge of finding BB-8. It is that level of bumbling.

They were looking for the Falcon in ESB and SW. In TFA, they were aboard a stolen freighter. Could’ve looked like normal traffic out of Jakuu.

yotsuya said:

Lord Haseo said:

Also posting this because it still baffles me how some can see Rey and Finn escaping as being a problem when there were more ships in orbit during the Battle of Hoth that caused Luke no trouble and that’s fine. I really need someone to explain this to me.

How quick the the Empire find the Falcon after it blasted off from Mos Eisley?

The second they dropped out of hyperspace in the rubbled remains of Aldeeran since the Death Star was still right there.

How did it get away?

Jumped into hyperspace?

How quick did the Star Destroyers find the Falcon after it blasted off from Hoth? How did it get away?

Pretty damn quick since the Falcon never went to hyperspace and it didn’t get away. It was being chased to hell and back before Han goes balls crazy and lands inside an asteroid field, where Star Destroyers can’t go.

In both cases they knew precisely where on the planet they had been.

Well sure, it’d be pretty easy considering they had troops searching for the droids in Mos Eisley, had an informant tip them off that they were on the Falcon, saw it blast off after a confrontation and exchange of fire, so it was pretty easy to tell where it was on Tatooine and identify it when it conveniently popped out of hyperspace right in front of the Death Star. While on the Death Star, a tracking device was planted onboard so the Empire was able to follow them to Yavin IV, hyperspace be damned.

For Empire’s case, of course they knew the Falcon was on Hoth and exactly where it was. They were staging a direct ground assault on the Rebel base, so what a big surprise a notorious rebel ship would be among the rebel fleet.

When the Falcon escapes the space slug, the net has been woven well enough that a single Star Destroyer almost gets them except Han does the unexpected and attached to the Star Destroyer itself (in an out of the way place for sensors and patrolling ships).

Except…they didn’t escape all willy-nilly. After evading the star destroyer, they were followed by Boba Fett, who tipped off the Empire who then set up a trap on Cloud City.

The First Order should have known the moment the Tie Fighters were shot down and known exactly where they were on the surface. From there it is easy to track them down. Unless they are incompetent. They aren’t incompetent in the rest of the film.

Okay…so…if the tie fighters chased them, yeah, the First Order would’ve known where they were on the planet. Alright, so they could’ve been able to track them on the planet. Now, it’s been a while since I’ve seen TFA, but after the dogfight with the TIE fighters, didn’t the Falcon leave the planet and jump to hyperspace? So, your previous argument was that the Falcon was able to escape every time they jumped to hyperspace, now you’re criticizing the First Order’s ability to not track the Falcon after jumping the hyperspace? I’m so confused right now.

Lord Haseo said:

They didn’t jump to hyperspace

They don’t? Well alright, I retract the last paragraph. Just another plot hole, then.

One thing I didn’t like about The Force Awakens was how Carrie Fisher seemed to have had one of those surgeries on her face that makes it impossible to open one’s mouth more than a slit nor produce normal mouth/cheek-related facial expressions. Her upper lip is nearly incapable of movement.

Carrie Fisher’s drug problems that might affect her appearance notwithstanding, I don’t like how it looks like Princess Leia’s facial muscles haven’t recovered from recent plastic surgery.

My mum (is deaf) struggles to lip read some of her older friends these days due to the way people’s faces change around the mouth area (especially the ornamental groove and vertical rhytids) as they get older. It leaves a thinning of the area between the mouth lips and nose - appearing less curved and fleshy when younger - and due to the lack of fat/muscle there as we age it can appear ‘flat’ or stiff.

Thankfully they still can sign to each other (though that is getting a little slower these days as the arthritis in the hands and takes hold).

Age can be a bitch - and affect others harsher than some others.

yotsuya said:

SwissArmyTin said:

yotsuya said:

Lord Haseo said:

Also posting this because it still baffles me how some can see Rey and Finn escaping as being a problem when there were more ships in orbit during the Battle of Hoth that caused Luke no trouble and that’s fine. I really need someone to explain this to me.

“How quick the the Empire find the Falcon after it blasted off from Mos Eisley?”

The second they dropped out of hyperspace in the rubbled remains of Aldeeran since the Death Star was still right there.

Three Star Destroyers converged on them over Tatooine forcing Han to make the jump as soon as possible (from Tatooine to Alderaan). If they wouldn’t have jumped they would have been caught.

Well, they did have a ton troops on the ground that were tipped off on the ship and even exchanged gunfire, so it’d be pretty easy for the Star Destroyers to converge on a tiny freighter blasting out of Mos Eisley. On Jakku, they flew all over the place and destroyed the only fighters chasing them, so I’ll give the writers the benefit of the doubt here and assume they (for once) used the idea of space actually being 3D, with the Falcon taking off from the opposite side of the planet than the Star Destroyer.

“The First Order should have known the moment the Tie Fighters were shot down and known exactly where they were on the surface. From there it is easy to track them down. Unless they are incompetent. They aren’t incompetent in the rest of the film.”

Okay…so…if the tie fighters chased them, yeah, the First Order would’ve known where they were on the planet. Alright, so they could’ve been able to track them on the planet. Now, it’s been a while since I’ve seen TFA, but after the dogfight with the TIE fighters, didn’t the Falcon leave the planet and jump to hyperspace? So, your previous argument was that the Falcon was able to escape every time they jumped to hyperspace, now you’re criticizing the First Order’s ability to not track the Falcon after jumping the hyperspace? I’m so confused right now.

No, they don’t jump to hyperspace. That is my point. The Falcon is seen majestically flying off in sublight (no trace of a hyperspace effect). The following dialog just confirms that they did not jump to hyperspace. Rey has never plotted a hyperspace jump before (she’s never been off planet before). She’s no dummy so she probably could have, but where to? It is a huge hole when you think about it. Part of it would be solved if the Falcon did go to hyperspace and then the engine malfunction made it drop out, but then Finn doesn’t need to mention getting out of the system because they would be already by the time he says that. So add in a hyperspace jump and remove a couple of lines and the scene would make a lot more sense.

Yeah, Lord Haseo already corrected me on this and I completely retract that final paragraph. I seriously wonder why they didn’t to hyperspace, it’s not even that big of an effect shot to insert and it would’ve completely solved a small plot hole.