Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 257

generalfrevious said:

darth_ender said:

generalfrevious said:

European Jews in 1930 could not predict that three-quarters of their people would be slaughtered like animals in extermination camps just a mere decade later. People in 2014 had no idea the United States would become a totalitarian dictatorship helmed by a psychopathic former reality star and his equally psychotic family.

We are in hell; in fact we may have even surpassed it.

So if you think hell is better than here, if I told you to go there, it wouldn’t be an insult, would it?

Trump still PURGED Comey, something UNPRECEDENTED in US history. This something that Stalin would do, not a sitting president. Isn’t that why conservatives are afraid of the government in the first place?

Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton did this well before Trump did. Do some research on this.

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oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

TV’s Frink said:

oojason said:

Sean Spicer ‘spent several minutes hidden in the bushes’…

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sean-spicer-spent-several-minutes-hidden-the-bushes

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1075247

To be fair - it may not be the first, or last, time that Spicer will likely be hiding in bushes…

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(a shame the journalists didn’t turn the cameras on the bushes and start asking ‘why are you hiding in the bushes?’)

This off camera meeting was actually planned ahead of time so it wasn’t like he was hiding for some dubious purpose. The condition of the meeting was that there was no video feed recorded.

Sean Spicer spent several minutes hiding in bushes - and in fact it seems he was hiding for a dubious purpose - in that he didn’t want to be filmed for a meeting taking place - which was agreed upon by the media present during his time whilst hiding in the bushes.

 

from the article…

"After Spicer spent several minutes hidden in the bushes behind these sets, Janet Montesi, an executive assistant in the press office, emerged and told reporters that Spicer would answer some questions, as long as he was not filmed doing so. Spicer then emerged.

“Just turn the lights off. Turn the lights off,” he ordered. “We’ll take care of this…. Can you just turn that light off?”

Spicer got his wish and was soon standing in near darkness between two tall hedges, with more than a dozen reporters closely gathered around him. For 10 minutes, he responded to a flurry of questions, vacillating between light-hearted asides and clear frustration with getting the same questions over and over again.

Actually I believe part of the article is incorrect. I saw the opening of this interview before I turned to something different (before the cameras went off). John Roberts said they were just waiting for this briefing and they might get permission for audio recording. Sean Spicer was nowhere to be seen on the stage by the sets but everything else had been arranged prior. I did not see that woman they say came out.

So I don’t know that it really matters but what I saw and how it is reported starting here is a little different.

Again, what you believe is irrelevant - let’s just try and stick to the facts, yes? and not pass off opinion/belief as the fact, eh?

What the article says is NOT incorrect - and there was no pre-arranged meeting/briefing for those media waiting - as the Press Staff had stated that he may do a briefing - though that he (Spicer) definitely wouldn’t be saying more that night.

Spicer has just finished a pre-arranged outside interview with Fox Business - but to get back to his office he would have to pass a waiting media wanting questions to their answers - Spicer then hid in a bush! Several minutes passed and then Janet Montesi, an executive assistant in the press office, emerged and told reporters that Spicer would answer some questions, as long as he was not filmed. Spicer then emerged…

so it had not ‘been arranged prior’ as you claim.

 

other fuller accounts here;-

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Analysis-After-Trump-fired-Comey-his-staff-11135009.php

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sean-spicer-bushes-white-house_us_59133322e4b0a58297e1721f

 

No need to be shitty mate. This is supposed to be a discussion, not a pissing contest.

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Not being shitty in the slightest mate. You are right though - this isn’t a pissing contest - it’s just getting to the facts (so far).

Discussion is always welcome - no-one said it isn’t.

And opinion, belief and varied discourse should thrive and be encouraged in the quality forums like we have here - but let’s not get away from the actual events and facts of the matter(s) being discussed - nor try and portray opinion or belief as fact, yes?

I just don’t appreciate you saying that I was trying to portray my opinion or belief as fact. I was just telling you what I saw, nothing more. We have plenty of posts in this thread that read as if they’re doing what you say and for the most part they get left alone. Ask me fine, but there is no need to be smarmy.

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No mate - not being smarmy either.

If you find a post that corrects you with actual facts - to your false claims - and call them smarmy or shitty then that is on you. Don’t try and deflect or project these insults onto others who are just supplying facts, and in turn undermining your points with the truth.

I’m being patient with you. I’m being polite - yet to the point (with facts). I’m not saying you are shitty or smarmy etc - like you have me. But enough is enough - if you can’t handle the truth or facts being pointed out to you then that is your problem - no-one elses - so lay off with the sly personal insults.

Okay, your pointing to the articles and that’s fine. I am just relaying what I saw right before the briefing. I didn’t post it to base it as fact. I think we’ve both made sly insults from time to time, point taken. If you didn’t see the TV part of the briefing that I did than I understand why you would say it was false. In return, just because you didn’t see it doesn’t mean that it wasn’t aired, and in turn didn’t happen.

I am not refuting your articles so I ask that you not refute what I saw before the briefing took place.

You stated the “This off camera meeting was actually planned ahead of time…” It was not - as corrected/evidenced by 3 different accounts from the media.

As for your ‘If you didn’t see the TV part of the briefing that I did than I understand why you would say it was false.’ - I haven’t said that was false or that it didn’t happen - so don’t infer that I did. I said your belief that ‘Actually I believe part of the article is incorrect.’ was not incorrect, and gave reasons why via other articles.

You stated “I haven’t found anything that proves this has been confirmed one way or the other so I don’t know why Rachel Maddow would even suggest it has been.” Yet, as was pointed out to you - it was not Rachel Maddow’s article (it was by Steve Benen).

 

If in doubt go back and read the posts again. Have a think about they come across - and how wrong some of your statements were, and your posts on the matter since. I won’t be - as I can’t be bothered to waste more time than I already have on this - only for you to once again dish out deflections, projections and sly insults accordingly - for me just correcting your erroneous claims/comments.

And no, I’ve not made any sly insults - so don’t incorrectly (again) say that I have.

I think this is a good point on to end the matter.

Well then, I hope that since you’re in to clarifying facts, you pick apart all the other erroneous claims/comments being made in this thread based on just people’s opinions of things. That would certainly clear up a lot of the confusion in this thread. The article by Steve Benen and the Sean Spicer in the Bushes story are two different stories and I made two different responses.

Your choice of words used in your responses, read to me, as if you were being crappy. Now, was I wrong, I was. So instead of dragging it out you could have plainly said … I didn’t mean them that way but I could see how you might see it like that. … and we’d have been done. Pretty simple. Just as you don’t want to be antagonized, I don’t either. I’m not going have a disagreement end with one member just to be confronted by another. I’ve got no personal issue with you and I, for one, would like to keep it that way.

I haven’t even picked your erroneous claims/comments apart (let alone any others - are there any?) - I just stated the facts. And look how many posts it has taken to get there. And how many times I’ve mentioned/repeated it. Even I’m bored of it. Let alone offering an opinion on it, or discussing it further.

And yes, I’m well aware the Benen and the Bushes stories are two different things - I just put them together in my last post on the topics as part of a brief overview of your statements pointing out for sake of clarity where I had made my points previously.

No-one else claimed there was pre-planned meetings when there wasn’t, or that Rachel Maddow had made suggestions in articles when she hadn’t etc - and if they had claimed that - I’d have commented on it. If I make a mistake or suggest something not true or factual etc I’d hope to be pulled on it. Thankfully, most people on here don’t make claims like this - they just post news articles or give their opinion on various topics - and that’s great, even if I don’t agree with them or share same/similar beliefs. I’ve bored myself again. I’m going to leave it there (again).

It’s just weird that you’ve started on this new path. I think you’re a bit naive about most other people “just” posting news articles or giving their opinions but that’s just my … opinion.

Anyways, I appreciate the warning, I promise to stay more aware.

Jetrell Fo said:

generalfrevious said:

darth_ender said:

generalfrevious said:

European Jews in 1930 could not predict that three-quarters of their people would be slaughtered like animals in extermination camps just a mere decade later. People in 2014 had no idea the United States would become a totalitarian dictatorship helmed by a psychopathic former reality star and his equally psychotic family.

We are in hell; in fact we may have even surpassed it.

So if you think hell is better than here, if I told you to go there, it wouldn’t be an insult, would it?

Trump still PURGED Comey, something UNPRECEDENTED in US history. This something that Stalin would do, not a sitting president. Isn’t that why conservatives are afraid of the government in the first place?

Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton did this well before Trump did. Do some research on this.

😃

Exactly. Thanks, Fo. I cannot stand the man called Trump, but firing Comey is nowhere near an equivalent to Soviet Communist purges.

General, being realistic is not normalizing. Your hyperbole, on the other hand, actually tends to make his actions look more acceptable in contrast because everyone else knows things are not as you describe.

Nixon never fired the FBI director, only Clinton did that.

Possessed said:

darth_ender said:

Yes you could.

I don’t know how true that is. I have health insurance but it’s garbage for mental health issues (ironic since the stress of my workplace is outrageous at times, sadly more from within that from the outside) even though nearly everyone that works here has had to go to a psych ward at some point in their lives. I can’t afford mental help. I’m still thousands in debt from the last time I tried and I make too much money to qualify for assistance, but not enough to actually afford it for myself. What a genius system lol.

It will probably make little difference between the ACA and the ACA for someone with private insurance. Admittedly, I was making an assumption about frievious and believed he for Medicaid based on his statement. If I was wrong, I apologize.

darth_ender said:

Jetrell Fo said:

generalfrevious said:

darth_ender said:

generalfrevious said:

European Jews in 1930 could not predict that three-quarters of their people would be slaughtered like animals in extermination camps just a mere decade later. People in 2014 had no idea the United States would become a totalitarian dictatorship helmed by a psychopathic former reality star and his equally psychotic family.

We are in hell; in fact we may have even surpassed it.

So if you think hell is better than here, if I told you to go there, it wouldn’t be an insult, would it?

Trump still PURGED Comey, something UNPRECEDENTED in US history. This something that Stalin would do, not a sitting president. Isn’t that why conservatives are afraid of the government in the first place?

Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton did this well before Trump did. Do some research on this.

😃

Exactly. Thanks, Fo. I cannot stand the man called Trump, but firing Comey is nowhere near an equivalent to Soviet Communist purges.

General, being realistic is not normalizing. Your hyperbole, on the other hand, actually tends to make his actions look more acceptable in contrast because everyone else knows things are not as you describe.

I did my research, and neither Nixon nor Clinton fired the FBI director because of an investigation into election interference. You are trying to derail the argument.

This is not normal. We need to be paranoid and vigilant at every minute of every day until this crisis ends, even if it takes decades. We cannot normalize any single aspect of the Trump administration, AT ANY PRICE.

TV’s Frink said:

Nixon never fired the FBI director, only Clinton did that.

My mistake, Nixon just took out the guy investigating his presidential campaign.

There, now I’m not lying or making up my own news stories, just made a simple human mistake. Maybe I need my own fact-checking group here so I don’t ruin America.

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TV’s Frink said:

Nixon never fired the FBI director, only Clinton did that.

I never took the reference that no one has ever done this before to mean it was limited to FBI directors. I took it more as politically-motivated firings.

generalfrevious said:

darth_ender said:

Jetrell Fo said:

generalfrevious said:

darth_ender said:

generalfrevious said:

European Jews in 1930 could not predict that three-quarters of their people would be slaughtered like animals in extermination camps just a mere decade later. People in 2014 had no idea the United States would become a totalitarian dictatorship helmed by a psychopathic former reality star and his equally psychotic family.

We are in hell; in fact we may have even surpassed it.

So if you think hell is better than here, if I told you to go there, it wouldn’t be an insult, would it?

Trump still PURGED Comey, something UNPRECEDENTED in US history. This something that Stalin would do, not a sitting president. Isn’t that why conservatives are afraid of the government in the first place?

Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton did this well before Trump did. Do some research on this.

😃

Exactly. Thanks, Fo. I cannot stand the man called Trump, but firing Comey is nowhere near an equivalent to Soviet Communist purges.

General, being realistic is not normalizing. Your hyperbole, on the other hand, actually tends to make his actions look more acceptable in contrast because everyone else knows things are not as you describe.

I did my research, and neither Nixon nor Clinton fired the FBI director because of an investigation into election interference. You are trying to derail the argument.

This is not normal. We need to be paranoid and vigilant at every minute of every day until this crisis ends, even if it takes decades. We cannot normalize any single aspect of the Trump administration, AT ANY PRICE.

You got this covered, buddy.

Nixon fired the special prosecutor but I think that fact that we’re comparing this to the Saturday Night Massacre should really say it all (if we’re trying to excuse this as having a precedent, think about what that precedent actually is).

As for Clinton

Jetrell Fo said:

if you can show me that the Justice Department found that Comey abused his office, maybe I’ll say they’re similar, but I don’t think that’s the case (and Clinton even asked him to resign first, whereas Comey heard the news on TV).

If Trump’s trying to pretend firing Comey had nothing to do with the Russian investigation, he’s not doing a very good job of it:

“And in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story.’”

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/fbi/333056-trump-made-up-russia-story-part-of-comey-firing

Of course he’s not outright saying it (and in fairness he says the investigation will continue), but it’s pretty easy to read between the lines here and connect the dots. He wants someone in charge who’ll be more loyal to him. The White House has yet to given any believable explanation as to the firing that would suggest otherwise.

As for whether this actually means there’s incriminating evidence out there on Trump, who’s to say. I’ve always though that while the Russian interference is undeniable, the Trump campaign involvement is a toss up. It could simply be that, whether in the wrong or not, Trump didn’t like Comey investigating him. I have to circle around to John Oliver’s dubbing of this all as “Stupid Watergate.” It’s just too apt. Whether through maliciousness or pure idiocy, Trump is extending his powers in ways that should make everyone at least a little worried.

DominicCobb said:

Nixon fired the special prosecutor but I think that fact that we’re comparing this to the Saturday Night Massacre should really say it all (if we’re trying to excuse this as having a precedent, think about what that precedent actually is).

As for Clinton

Jetrell Fo said:

if you can show me that the Justice Department found that Comey abused his office, maybe I’ll say they’re similar, but I don’t think that’s the case (and Clinton even asked him to resign first, whereas Comey heard the news on TV).

If Trump’s trying to pretend firing Comey had nothing to do with the Russian investigation, he’s not doing a very good job of it:

“And in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story.’”

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/fbi/333056-trump-made-up-russia-story-part-of-comey-firing

Of course he’s not outright saying it (and in fairness he says the investigation will continue), but it’s pretty easy to read between the lines here and connect the dots. He wants someone in charge who’ll be more loyal to him. The White House has yet to given any believable explanation as to the firing that would suggest otherwise.

As for whether this actually means there’s incriminating evidence out there on Trump, who’s to say. I’ve always though that while the Russian interference is undeniable, the Trump campaign involvement is a toss up. It could simply be that, whether in the wrong or not, Trump didn’t like Comey investigating him. I have to circle around to John Oliver’s dubbing of this all as “Stupid Watergate.” It’s just too apt. Whether through maliciousness or pure idiocy, Trump is extending his powers in ways that should make everyone at least a little worried.

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told them that the investigations by the FBI and Congress should continue.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders: “We want this to come to its conclusion, we want it to come to its conclusion with integrity. And we think that we’ve actually, by removing Director Comey, taken steps to make that happen.”

DominicCobb said:

Nixon fired the special prosecutor but I think that fact that we’re comparing this to the Saturday Night Massacre should really say it all (if we’re trying to excuse this as having a precedent, think about what that precedent actually is).

As for Clinton

Jetrell Fo said:

if you can show me that the Justice Department found that Comey abused his office, maybe I’ll say they’re similar, but I don’t think that’s the case (and Clinton even asked him to resign first, whereas Comey heard the news on TV).

If Trump’s trying to pretend firing Comey had nothing to do with the Russian investigation, he’s not doing a very good job of it:

“And in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story.’”

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/fbi/333056-trump-made-up-russia-story-part-of-comey-firing

Of course he’s not outright saying it (and in fairness he says the investigation will continue), but it’s pretty easy to read between the lines here and connect the dots. He wants someone in charge who’ll be more loyal to him. The White House has yet to given any believable explanation as to the firing that would suggest otherwise.

As for whether this actually means there’s incriminating evidence out there on Trump, who’s to say. I’ve always though that while the Russian interference is undeniable, the Trump campaign involvement is a toss up. It could simply be that, whether in the wrong or not, Trump didn’t like Comey investigating him. I have to circle around to John Oliver’s dubbing of this all as “Stupid Watergate.” It’s just too apt. Whether through maliciousness or pure idiocy, Trump is extending his powers in ways that should make everyone at least a little worried.

Don’t get me wrong, I think it was stupid and unethical. I just don’t like the comparison to a Stalinist purge.

“You Want To Create A False Narrative” Sarah Sanders Destroys Reporter Over Trump Firing James Comey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaEUC1wrFrg

I think Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Sanders is my new hero.

darth_ender said:

DominicCobb said:

Nixon fired the special prosecutor but I think that fact that we’re comparing this to the Saturday Night Massacre should really say it all (if we’re trying to excuse this as having a precedent, think about what that precedent actually is).

As for Clinton

Jetrell Fo said:

if you can show me that the Justice Department found that Comey abused his office, maybe I’ll say they’re similar, but I don’t think that’s the case (and Clinton even asked him to resign first, whereas Comey heard the news on TV).

If Trump’s trying to pretend firing Comey had nothing to do with the Russian investigation, he’s not doing a very good job of it:

“And in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story.’”

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/fbi/333056-trump-made-up-russia-story-part-of-comey-firing

Of course he’s not outright saying it (and in fairness he says the investigation will continue), but it’s pretty easy to read between the lines here and connect the dots. He wants someone in charge who’ll be more loyal to him. The White House has yet to given any believable explanation as to the firing that would suggest otherwise.

As for whether this actually means there’s incriminating evidence out there on Trump, who’s to say. I’ve always though that while the Russian interference is undeniable, the Trump campaign involvement is a toss up. It could simply be that, whether in the wrong or not, Trump didn’t like Comey investigating him. I have to circle around to John Oliver’s dubbing of this all as “Stupid Watergate.” It’s just too apt. Whether through maliciousness or pure idiocy, Trump is extending his powers in ways that should make everyone at least a little worried.

Don’t get me wrong, I think it was stupid and unethical. I just don’t like the comparison to a Stalinist purge.

Ender, this is not directed at you, in any way personal or fictional. 😃

This response is part my opinion and part fact. No news stories were falsified in it’s creation or dispersion.

With each new administration there are always changes and the possibility of these kind of changes as well. Trump was not extending his powers when he did this. He is the only person that can fire a head of the FBI. Our new Deputy Attorney General was confirmed with a 96 to 4 vote. It was a bipartisan vote across the board. He’s served in both Republican and Democrat administrations. A bunch of people that are crying foul about this action were saying months ago that they wanted it to happen or saying that it should happen. Not every day at the White House is a Constitutional Crisis. The polarization of this country at this point is probably at it’s worst and there really isn’t any logical reason for it (in my opinion).

^My post was not directed at anyone so how you get that it was an ad hominem attack on someone is confusing.

Okay, since it seems there is a new game afoot here in the politics thread let me make this perfectly clear.

Jetrell Fo said:

“You Want To Create A False Narrative” Sarah Sanders Destroys Reporter Over Trump Firing James Comey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaEUC1wrFrg

I think Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Sanders is my new hero.

^This post I made was saying that, as I stated, Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Sanders, is my new hero. She handled the press like a champ and she did not mince any words. It is my own opinion, based on my opinion of the video linked, and is not a falsely created news story.

Thank you.

NeverarGreat said:

I was referring to Sarah Sanders making a Tu Quoque fallacy with regards to the reporter’s questions.

I would have been nice of you to clarify that in the post instead of kinda making it look like it was aimed at me, LOL.

I will also say, I’m sorry.

Jetrell Fo said:

Jeebus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Jeebus said:

generalfrevious said:

Jetrell Fo said:

generalfrevious said:

All bets are off. The entire chain of succession is contaminated with ties to Russia. We will fall into crisis. The rich will kill us all off like they have wanted to for almost a hundred years. This country will never be good again, we will become the poorest nation ever witnessed in human history.

The investigation is not over. It is moving forward as it should. Whether the American people get real answers or just the same “It’s Classified so we can’t talk about it” is what we’ll have to wait on. I said way back that Comey would probably end up paying for his mistakes and though I believe he is well intentioned the odds and incompetence were already against him before the election. It is something else I talked about a ways and got poo-poo’d for. The division in the Intelligence community was already so divided that it was polarizing to both sides. Now we are here.

The focus should be to move forward but the partisan atmosphere is dispersed for it to happen.

Were in 1933 right now; it took a year and a half for Hitler to take complete control of Germany. The exact same is going to happen to Trump.

Do you ever think that comments like these are in poor taste?

I think the comment above yours is in bad taste as well. Why agitate a situation?

I asked him a question, I’m not agitating anything. Please mind your own business.

Mind your business, I was talking about the post made above yours about killing jews. I said nothing about you agitating anyone. Maybe you should read my post better before jumping on me like a hungry bear.

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Jetrell Fo said:

I would have been nice of you to clarify that in the post instead of kinda making it look like it was aimed at me, LOL.

Jeebus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Jeebus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Jeebus said:

generalfrevious said:

Jetrell Fo said:

generalfrevious said:

All bets are off. The entire chain of succession is contaminated with ties to Russia. We will fall into crisis. The rich will kill us all off like they have wanted to for almost a hundred years. This country will never be good again, we will become the poorest nation ever witnessed in human history.

The investigation is not over. It is moving forward as it should. Whether the American people get real answers or just the same “It’s Classified so we can’t talk about it” is what we’ll have to wait on. I said way back that Comey would probably end up paying for his mistakes and though I believe he is well intentioned the odds and incompetence were already against him before the election. It is something else I talked about a ways and got poo-poo’d for. The division in the Intelligence community was already so divided that it was polarizing to both sides. Now we are here.

The focus should be to move forward but the partisan atmosphere is dispersed for it to happen.

Were in 1933 right now; it took a year and a half for Hitler to take complete control of Germany. The exact same is going to happen to Trump.

Do you ever think that comments like these are in poor taste?

I think the comment above yours is in bad taste as well. Why agitate a situation?

I asked him a question, I’m not agitating anything. Please mind your own business.

Mind your business, I was talking about the post made above yours about killing jews. I said nothing about you agitating anyone. Maybe you should read my post better before jumping on me like a hungry bear.

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Jetrell Fo said:

I would have been nice of you to clarify that in the post instead of kinda making it look like it was aimed at me, LOL.

I said twice that I was referring to the post above yours. Once after your response to the post you were talking about and once after you told me to mind my business. You may want to recheck this version of events.

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No need to search, I found it.

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1074864

I hope this clears up the misunderstanding.

This is not a made up story nor is it based on opinion. My response below the link is my opinion which is based on the factual story.

FBI Raids GOP Consulting Firm Tied To Conservative Scam PACs Strategic Campaign Group had been named in a lawsuit charging it with committing fraud.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fbi-raids-gop-consulting-firm-tied-to-conservative-scam-pacs_us_5914b924e4b00f308cf3c410?c0k&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

This could open the door for those Bernie Sanders supporters that took the DNC to court for election fraud because Bernie was cheated and their money went to Hillary Clinton.