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New Lucas interview 2: 'Insists Unaltered Versions Of The OT Will Never Be Released' — Page 2

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Mocata said:

They have claimed a stop motion creature would replace the actor in 1977, but Phil Tippet didn’t get instruction on designing Jabba as a ‘Sidney Greenstreet’ type character until later…

Yeah , and there’s something suspect about the whole narrative . In the 1983 Documentary , From Star Wars to Jedi The Making A Saga , they go over it and show a part of the scene as originally shot with Decan Mullholland and then show a storyboard of what the intended creature effect of Jabba was supposedly going to look like , superimposed over the human figure on the storyboard . Giving the impression that it was an archival piece of artwork from the time of the shooting of the original film , except if you look closely , you can see what appears to be Salacious Crumb on the ground next to Jabba ! The little guy was never talked about , seen ,or mentioned until 1983.

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Mocata said:

They have claimed a stop motion creature would replace the actor in 1977, but Phil Tippet didn’t get instruction on designing Jabba as a ‘Sidney Greenstreet’ type character until later…

Yeah , and there’s something suspect about the whole narrative . In the 1983 Documentary , From Star Wars to Jedi The Making A Saga , they go over it and show a part of the scene as originally shot with Decan Mullholland and then show a storyboard of what the intended creature effect of Jabba was supposedly going to look like , superimposed over the human figure on the storyboard . Giving the impression that it was an archival piece of artwork from the time of the shooting of the original film , except if you look closely , you can see what appears to be Salacious Crumb on the ground next to Jabba ! The little guy was never talked about , seen ,or mentioned until 1983.

Yeah, the whole thing stinks of another George retcon and him trying to alter history yet again.

The “Category No. 9 • Jabba originally was a human; from planning to filming…” of the George Lucas: Star Wars Creator, Unreliable Narrator & Time Travelling Revisionist thread really lays it all out quite well. With quotes from the people involved at the time, the guy who thought up and designed Salacious Crumb in 1981/82, the drawings, George’s changing to the scripts after the fact to insert a description of Jabba later being a “slug like creature”, and about that 1983 Documentary.

“Don’t tell anyone… but when ‘Star Wars’ first came out, I didn’t know where it was going either. The trick is to pretend you’ve planned the whole thing out in advance. Throw in some father issues and references to other stories - let’s call them homages - and you’ve got a series.” - George Lucas

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Caston said:

I thought this deserved its own thread, rather than posting it digitalfreaknyc’s New Lucas interview - the originals “look terrible” thread, as it is a different topic being discussed by George Lucas doing the media rounds at Cannes, for his honorary award.
 

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George Lucas “I think a film belongs to its creator. When Michelangelo made the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, he looked at it and said: I’m going to redo this part.”

 
^ The Star Wars Underworld twitter thread link: https://x.com/TheSWU/status/1794151443835781317
 

A ScreenRant article on the subject:

George Lucas Defends The Star Wars Special Editions, Insists Unaltered Versions Of The OT Will Never Be Released
 

Many of the comments in the Star Wars Underworld twitter thread makes some very good points, and the majority are wanting the theatrical cuts to be released, or are calling George out for him comments.

There really was no reason to create another thread. They’re about the same exact thing.

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I really like that Screen Rant article; its short and to the point with virtually no bias. Here’s my favorite part…

“Lucas’ ownership of the Star Wars franchise as its creator gave him every reason to make changes to the original Star Wars films. While some may disagree with some of the minor changes such as Return of the Jedi’s musical number, Jabba the Hutt’s A New Hope appearance, or Greedo shooting Han Solo first, the bigger changes to match the visual style of both trilogies make a lot of sense. These changes were simply about Lucas furthering his ownership for the franchise he created, explaining his defense of them.”

Like it or not, the fact remains that as long as George was in charge of his own company, he was free to do whatever he wanted with those films, whether anyone else liked it or not. While I’d definitely purchase the UOT in a higher video quality if he changed his mind someday, I’m not going to act entitled or stay eternally upset with him about refusing to do so.

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Unfortunately Screen Rant is a rag and George didn’t make the films by himself. As per early in the thread:

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George is clearly one of bean counters who would have commissioned somebody else to create a work of art. Imagine if a Pope back in history claimed that some masterpiece was all their own doing and had the right to paint over it.

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I think still having to argue with people over why the original should be on Blu-Ray and 4K and Han why Han shooting second is stupid, 20 years after we signed a petition to the get the original released just to get Lynn Hale’s spiel, kind of makes me think it’s a lost cause.

I have 4K77 and I’m reasonably happy with it.

It won’t be lost because the British Film Archive and Library of Congress have the original. Its just not available to the general public. Unless you have out of print DVD, VHS or laserdisc. Yeah none of those is theatrically accurate but whatever.

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JadedSkywalker said:

I think still having to argue with people over why the original should be on Blu-Ray and 4K and Han why Han shooting second is stupid, 20 years after we signed a petition to the get the original released just to get Lynn Hale’s spiel, kind of makes me think it’s a lost cause.

I have 4K77 and I’m reasonably happy with it.

It won’t be lost because the British Film Archive and Library of Congress have the original. Its just not available to the general public. Unless you have out of print DVD, VHS or laserdisc. Yeah none of those is theatrically accurate but whatever.

Does that mean that the original negatives are archived in a place where they are available for scanning at any time today? From what source do you get this information? It is really very interesting

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YAREL_RGP said:

Does that mean that the original negatives are archived in a place where they are available for scanning at any time today? From what source do you get this information? It is really very interesting

One can only hope. They are trying to tell us that the negatives were used for the Special Edition in 1997, but there are too many references and hints that this may not be true. There was a dedicated website to this matter, but I can’t recall its name.

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YAREL_RGP said:

JadedSkywalker said:

I think still having to argue with people over why the original should be on Blu-Ray and 4K and Han why Han shooting second is stupid, 20 years after we signed a petition to the get the original released just to get Lynn Hale’s spiel, kind of makes me think it’s a lost cause.

I have 4K77 and I’m reasonably happy with it.

It won’t be lost because the British Film Archive and Library of Congress have the original. Its just not available to the general public. Unless you have out of print DVD, VHS or laserdisc. Yeah none of those is theatrically accurate but whatever.

Does that mean that the original negatives are archived in a place where they are available for scanning at any time today? From what source do you get this information? It is really very interesting

Not negatives no, but LOC do have 35mm prints they have scanned and archived. I’m almost 100% certain BFI has done the same. But I don’t have some inside knowledge.

Lucasfilm has the negatives, and it is true that the O-neg is conformed to the 1997 edit. But they saved all the trims. What is lost is the original color reversal negative, all the wipes and dissolves. Anyone who says they can’t do a restoration is being foolish. It’s not about the money, it’s not about can it be done. It is all about George, he hates the original and does not want it restored.

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The restoration has already been done… by the hobbyists and fans.

Library of Congress was never given an original negative, it was the Special Edition right?