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I wonder if Lucas initially meant for there to be more movies in between ANH and the fall of Vader and the Emperor, with Vader serving a different Grand Moff in each movie.
I wonder if Lucas initially meant for there to be more movies in between ANH and the fall of Vader and the Emperor, with Vader serving a different Grand Moff in each movie.
No, of course not. There is literally no evidence for this. Where did you get this idea from?
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Where did you get this idea from?
Just speculation.
It is quite difficult to ascertain just how many films George had in mind down the years đ
Though if you back to the mid-late 1970âs era, before Star Wars '77 was a runaway success, George is on record stating he felt that Vader wasnât strong enough as a main villainâŚ
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LUCAS: âI wouldnât mind killing her off. (referring to Leia). The other thing we havenât dealt with is Darth Vader. But Darth Vader, as we discovered in this picture, tends to be pushy; heâs not strong enough as the villain to hold the villain role. He doesnât have the persona that you need. You really need a Cushing guy, a really slimy, uglyâŚ.â
LIPPINCOTT: âWhat if you unveiled him, unmasked him? Since he isnât strong enough to hold up. Unmasked him and started building up a new villain who could continue into the next?â
LUCAS: âThatâs an idea.â
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^ from the Star Wars Splinter Of The Mindâs Eye Story Conference article at Cinetropolis.net. A transcribed conversation at the time of discussing a sequel to Star Wars - âSplinter Of The Minds Eyeâ to not just be a novel - but a cheap-to-film sequel for Star Wars.
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So, itâs a possibility that George had thoughts on other main villains lined up for Vader to work under in the continuing movies somewhere along the line - which could well have been Imperial Moffs and the like. There is a fair bit more on Lucasâ point of view that Vader not being up to much in the linked article above.
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Interesting article. Kind of ironic that Lucas didnât think Darth Vader was a good villain, and now Vader is one of the most iconic villains in film history. Hindsight is 20/20.
My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX
I believe Lucas said on the commentary for the 2004 DVD set that Tarkin was added to have a villain that wasnât wearing a mask and could therefore emote more.
It is quite difficult to ascertain just how many films George had in mind down the years đ
Though if you back to the mid-late 1970âs era, before Star Wars '77 was a runaway success, George is on record stating he felt that Vader wasnât strong enough as a main villainâŚ
ÂLUCAS: âI wouldnât mind killing her off. (referring to Leia). The other thing we havenât dealt with is Darth Vader. But Darth Vader, as we discovered in this picture, tends to be pushy; heâs not strong enough as the villain to hold the villain role. He doesnât have the persona that you need. You really need a Cushing guy, a really slimy, uglyâŚ.â
LIPPINCOTT: âWhat if you unveiled him, unmasked him? Since he isnât strong enough to hold up. Unmasked him and started building up a new villain who could continue into the next?â
LUCAS: âThatâs an idea.â
Â^ from the Star Wars Splinter Of The Mindâs Eye Story Conference article at Cinetropolis.net. A transcribed conversation at the time of discussing a sequel to Star Wars - âSplinter Of The Minds Eyeâ to not just be a novel - but a cheap-to-film sequel for Star Wars.
ÂSo, itâs a possibility that George had thoughts on other main villains lined up for Vader to work under in the continuing movies somewhere along the line - which could well have been Imperial Moffs and the like. There is a fair bit more on Lucasâ point of view that Vader not being up to much in the linked article above.
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Note the date of the story conference: in mid-1976, when George Lucas was cutting together dailies of the original SW film with David Prowseâs broad Bristol accent speaking Vaderâs lines instead of James Earl Jonesâ menacing baritone. Lucasâ concerns about Vader being an ineffective villain would prove extraordinarily wide of the mark, in large part due to JEJâs fantastic dub work.
In the 1975 second draft, Vader is indeed disposable: so much so that he dies kamikaze-crashing his starfighter into Han Soloâs pirate ship during the Death Star trench run. However, the filmâs dialogue builds up another villain, Vaderâs unseen boss Espaa Valorum, the âMaster of the Bogan Forceâ, who would evidently take over his role in any sequels.
But by the 1975 third draft, Vader is obviously meant to stick around for a while; as Ben Kenobi tells Luke, heâs the guy who betrayed the Jedi in the climactic battle where Lukeâs father died and the Jedi Order fell. And this more deadly Vader now survives the Death Star fight to stick around for future films. Even at this stage, Lucas was apparently planning some sort of secret identity for Vader, with a familial connection to Lukeâs family history: in late 1975, Lucas told Alan Dean Foster that the second film would have the audience âlearn who Darth Vader isâ.
As for Grand Moff Tarkin, the character as such didnât exist in the 1975 third draft: Vader was the sole major Imperial bad guy in the script. A âGrande Mouff Tarkinâ is one of the Rebel leaders, but his title appears to suggest some sort of priest, akin to Friar Tuck of Robin Hood legends.
The character of Tarkin as we know him was added to the January 1976 fourth draft, as a proxy of sorts for the Emperor, whose death would allow for a satisfying conclusion if (as Lucas was beginning to fear at that time) SW didnât make enough money to allow for full-fledged film sequels. (That this was becoming a concern for Lucas was evidenced by his turning to Alan Dean Foster to write SOTME as a concept that could be recycled into a low-budget TV movie, and doing other things like broadening the filmâs audience by removing the planned violence and nudity.)
âThat Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.â
Interesting article. Kind of ironic that Lucas didnât think Darth Vader was a good villain, and now Vader is one of the most iconic villains in film history. Hindsight is 20/20.
Weird, considering he had the entire Original Visionâ planned out in the early 1970s and how it was all about the grand saga of the rise & fall of Vader.
Oh wait. Heâs a liar. Easily proven many times over.
Interesting article. Kind of ironic that Lucas didnât think Darth Vader was a good villain, and now Vader is one of the most iconic villains in film history. Hindsight is 20/20.
Weird, considering he had the entire Original Visionâ planned out in the early 1970s and how it was all about the grand saga of the rise & fall of Vader.
Oh wait. Heâs a liar. Easily proven many times over.
No!
Everything he said is true, from a certain point of view.