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Originally posted by: Tikigod
Your copy of the Farsight transfer:

http://img87.exs.cx/img87/1671/Farsight_000.jpg

looks way more washed-out than my version:

http://img86.exs.cx/img86/4295/farsight.jpg

Is there something going on with yours, or is my monitor just set ridiculously differently than it should be?


hmmmmmm...... now ya got me worried

Tikigod, your screenshot is very different in terms of brightness from mine... it almost looks like a completely different transfer. It looks more like the Dr Gonzo transfer. Would you mind posting a screenshot from any of the other, non Farsight transfers to provide another sample for comparison? If you have the Dr Gonzo transfer that would be a good one since its quality is closer but still much better than the Farsight version.

I'm at work now so I can't check anything out right now but I can tell you that I am using PowerDVD's internal capture and then using PhotoShop to crop out the black bars and then saving as a JPEG at level 12 (maximum). Please note that I am not tweaking the color at all using PhotoShop.

Tikigod, what are you using for taking screenshots? If you are using a software DVD Player such as PowerDVD or WinDVD, does your software offer a brightness level? I am wondering if yours does and you are setting it darker or maybe mine does and I am unknowingly setting it brighter.

I'll definitely look at my computer tonight to see if there is something I am doing wrong but I would also like to see some samples from other transfers in the meantime if possible.

The Farsight transfer is very bright and fuzzy. The Definitive Collection ANH LaserDisc transfer is a bad one already so that could contribute to a poor LD to DVD transfer but if you look at the other screenshots posted in the "official" screenshots thread you can see that many of the older Definitive Collection transfers are brighter and slightly washed out at times.

Thanks for the feedback.... good or bad is always welcome and if there is something I am doing wrong or need to do better please let me know so that I can improve the screenshots thread.

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"The Farsight transfer is very bright and fuzzy. The Definitive Collection ANH LaserDisc transfer is a bad one already so that could contribute to a poor LD to DVD transfer"

Not on your life - even my Def Col set isn't THAT bright. If anything, it's darker and more muted than my Faces set. Farsight really needs to adjust his capture parameters.

"Speaking of MeBeJedi... please PM me about screenshots. I would like to get updated shots from your latest ANH transfer if possible. The ones I have posted are from an earlier "screener" so when you are ready to share your latest creation please let me know."

I'll actually be posting some sample MPEGs, then you can take all the captures you like.

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<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I'll actually be posting some sample MPEGs, then you can take all the captures you like.


Cool... can't wait to see'em
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The Farsight transfer is very bright, but I don't know if it's even that bright. I'd suggest VirtualDubMod as a reliable screencap program. It can parse VOB files, does not use any settings or overlays that can affect the brightness, and you can get frame-accurate comparisons easily. Just go to the frame you want and select "snapshot source frame" under the video menu.
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Ash, I've noticed that PowerDVD doesn't do a great job of capturing the correct levels. All of the screenshots I have provided were taken from virtualdub and cropped in either photoshop or paint shop pro. Is there a way you can open up a DVD in virtualdub, or at least open up the necessary vob file and grab screenshots? If so, I would recommend redoing all of your shots that way.


EDIT: looks like we're on the same page jimmy.

Speaking of my screenshots, it doesn't look like they're showing up. Did you take them down or something Ash?

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That's a good idea. I know that Roxio's DVDMax has different setting like "theater" mode and such, which can affect the colors and brightness.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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VirtualDubMod.... hmm... okay, I'll give that a try. I never realized my screenshots were coming out too bright... but then again, if you look at the screenshots in my thread the only ones that look super bright are from the Farsight series.

I'll give VirtualDubMod a try for all my screenshots going forward.

Zion, I don't have any ESB shots posted yet but I believe I have your latest ANH screenshots up there. Let me know if you have any updates.

Thanks

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Zion, I keep wanting to ask...is your .sig from Stargate SG-1?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Darn you all to heck

Okay, I have used VirtualDub off and on for years but had never tried VirtualDubMod. I knew that the regular VirtualDub didn't open VOB files but it is so cool that VirtualDubMod does.

I used VirtualDubMod to re-capture the Farsight scenes and while they are still bright they are nothing like what I had posted before. But now, I feel I need to re-capture everything.... dohhh

I will be posting the new Farsight screencaps in a few minutes but I think before I redo everything, I am going to start the ESB shots because my wife is busy making her Halloween costume tonight so I have the perfect opportunity to play so I better get the other movies going while I have the time

I will keep updating here as I change out existing shots.

Thank you Tikigod for pointing this out and special thanks to drjimmy526, Zion and MeBeJedi for pointing me in the right direction to fixing this.

Look for ESB or ROTJ shots soon and if anyone has suggestions of scenes to capture speak now or forever hold your peace.

Cheers

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Hey, sorry about posting in the wrong forum about that, but I'm glad I could help out, I suppose.
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I appreciate the help Tikigod.

I posted new screenshots from the Farsight ANH transfer. Please go take a look and let me know what you think.

Thanks

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Okay, someone help me out. My new account will hold 150 Mbs, but it has to be a .JPG. On my old account, I could rename MPGs as JPGs and still save them, but that's not working here.

Anyone got some hosting room for two MPEGs? (13 Mb and 22 Mb)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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MeBeJedi, I can host the files for you.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/Obi_Skywalker/lukevader.jpg
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Of the ORIGINAL version caps that are still up there I think the ISOmix has the edge. OK tr47 may have a sharper picture but it's too bright as are all the rest! Look at the reflections on the wall in all the versions of that first shot, most of the detail has been lost because of overblown whites. The closest in detail terms to the retail version is ISOmix. I have the Old Look version 2 asian set and I checked that frame with Vdub and although softer overall it has more detail in this shot than any of these caps (except the retail).
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I noticed something last night and that is that without access to the original film, ALL the sources we're going to use, apart from the lowry raped SE DVD have overblown highlights. that much is evident by using the Princess Leia v Vader corridor conversation in the white corridored Tantive.

the top of the Stormtrooper helmets get lost amongst the ceiling light. The only version of star wars I have seen that does not have this issue is the new 2004 DVD.

to be fair, it's not blown by much, but it is enough to make us see a noticeable difference. I had to laugh when someone pointed out that my projects screencaps. that corridor shot, one of the ribs in the door frame is nearly invisible, then I looked at my original capture which is untouched and it's virtually not there either so it's a source issue rather than my efforts.

makes me more and more convinced that the way to go is to DE-SE the DVD using footage and color correction etc, basically what Mverta is doing.
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Originally posted by: tellan
I had to laugh when someone pointed out that my projects screencaps. that corridor shot, one of the ribs in the door frame is nearly invisible, then I looked at my original capture which is untouched and it's virtually not there either so it's a source issue rather than my efforts.
The original capture may be untouched; but if the brightness/contrast were set wrong when the capture was recorded, it won't truly represent the source laserdisc. If you play the disc itself on a properly calibrated TV, are these lines visible then? Some adjustment may be required to get a good "grey scale" - if the contrast is set too high then you lose the division between very light grey and white.

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anyone know how I can send badash my screenies for inclusion on the screenshots page? he hasn't responed to PM on this.
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"but if the brightness/contrast were set wrong when the capture was recorded, it won't truly represent the source laserdisc. If you play the disc itself on a properly calibrated TV, are these lines visible then? Some adjustment may be required to get a good "grey scale" - if the contrast is set too high then you lose the division between very light grey and white."

Agreed. If your own equipment isn't calibrated, then there's no telling how it's going to look on other people's displays. That being said, most other people's displays aren't calibrated either, but in that case, they can't blame the bad picture on you.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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how do you want them zion?

you can get my e-mail address from my profile to contact me or PM me to give me your mail address.
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I've posted screenshots from my version in the "official" thread, it's extremely useful to be able to compare my project to others. I identified straight away problems with the contrast and saturation that I've hopefully now fixed.

My shots most resemble the ISOMIX version, although with a slightly more natural balance in levels, and less colour bleed. Unforunately my video seems to suffer from some sort of edge enhancement (look at the bright edge to the left of Vader in Shot A). I need to look at the sharpening filter to see if that's the culprit. [Point to note: the region 1 retail version of TPM suffered from terrible EE as well!]

I agree with eros, that DrGonzo, TR47, Farsight and the early MeBeJedi versions are all too bright - that is assuming the shots are accurate representations of the video and that no alterations occured when BadAsh took the screen grab. I believe my capture is now correctly calibrated, and it doesn't suffer from the "overblown highlights" thing that tellan was talking about.

Zion's picture quality looks very good, but I must say there seems to be a blue cast to his screenshots that is not present in any of the other versions.

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Sweet looking shots, Moth3r

You can really see the detail of the Stormtroopers' guns in the Leia pic - I think you do yourself a dis-service in your appraisal of your version's pic quality.

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Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.

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