I’ve actually met people that claim they can’t tell if something is CGI. And there are people who defend the Prequels saying they can’t tell that the Clonetroopers are CGI.
When I was a young kid, I often couldn’t tell CGI and practical effects apart. There’re times I’ll revisit a movie/TV show I haven’t seen in decades and see obvious CG in play, then find myself flabbergasted that I was ever taken in by the effect. In the case of the prequels, I knew most of what I was seeing was clearly CGI, though I failed to realize all the clonetroopers in AOTC were digital.
I refuse to dehumanize anyone. Your ethical/moral/political/religious views may be utterly repugnant to me, but I strive to hold Luke 23:34 close to my heart.
On the other end of the spectrum as a kid I never fully bought anytime claymation was used, the chess board can be excused as some janky game, but that Tauntaun man I dunno…and maybe this is too far but Yoda in ESB looks great as long as he’s not talking, he’s no ET, barely a ninja turtle, but he was the first of his kind in a way so it’s forgivable! Unlike the prequels…hmm, maybe this isn’t actually a very good faith argument.
“The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.” - DV
Sure, but puppets and animation at least have the tangible feeling that human hands were involved, and there was really something there on the day (or after on a scale go-motion set). Your brain can just tell somehow. Bad opticals on the other and might be more of a problem, but there aren’t really many in SW.
Well the more cgi they use and the more amount of shots a film has, the worse the quality is going to be.
You look at all the television and films that use cgi. Effects houses are stretched thin. CGI has gotten noticeably worse but not in all cases. What I worry about is the application of AI, over actual human artists who do the cgi, if you can even call it art.
This is more about the advent of its use as a lazy catch all like everything digital, we’ll fix it in post.
I wonder what it must be like to be on a set that is nothing but bluscreen and greensceen, and actors being shot separately as elements like in Avengers Doomsday.
Sure, but puppets and animation at least have the tangible feeling that human hands were involved, and there was really something there on the day (or after on a scale go-motion set). Your brain can just tell somehow. Bad opticals on the other and might be more of a problem, but there aren’t really many in SW.
Sometimes it’s too tangible to the point of looking unintentionally rubbery or miniature, could even make an argument for rushed matte shots, it depends how you measure your idea of lifelike, Dud Bolt is all real in The Phantom Menace, but he sticks out in his own way vs the other racers, he is clearly a rod puppet with little to no articulation. ymmv
“The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.” - DV
Those kind of machinery / vehicle effects always stand out, but they are nice, I remember them in The Rescuers Down Under. Years later they’d be in all kinds of stuff.
On a related but not-CG note, did you know there’s one shot of a rotoscoped bell ringing in Disney’s Robin Hood?
Those kind of machinery / vehicle effects always stand out, but they are nice, I remember them in The Rescuers Down Under. Years later they’d be in all kinds of stuff.
On a related but not-CG note, did you know there’s one shot of a rotoscoped bell ringing in Disney’s Robin Hood?
I probably would see it if I watched it now, been many years. They weren’t against cutting costs in that era.
Those kind of machinery / vehicle effects always stand out, but they are nice, I remember them in The Rescuers Down Under. Years later they’d be in all kinds of stuff.
On a related but not-CG note, did you know there’s one shot of a rotoscoped bell ringing in Disney’s Robin Hood?
I probably would see it if I watched it now, been many years. They weren’t against cutting costs in that era.
https://youtu.be/wTqQrRZi66Q?t=128
I think, much like the wagon in B&B, it’s because hand-drawing that kind of rotation of what ought to be a complex 3d shape is really really really difficult
But in that case it was cutting edge not cutting corners.
I think the sheer number of shots, thousands of effects shots. wouldn’t have been possible on the money and time they needed to be done in without CGI. But they should have done more practical effects and done a mix. Lucas was determined to push digital though, even when it looked wonky and made no sense. Because it was about getting there eventually, where everything would be digital like it is now.
He was pushing for shooting digitally when it looked like ass, cameras meant for news footage. Episode II will never look good. on III they got the technology a little bit better. But they will never look as good as 35mm shot movies on film.
The part that makes no sense to me is George decided no Clone Trooper suits. It had to be faked in cgi.
General audiences did not care the films look like animated cartoons in places or CGI animated. Lucas was able to get away with it because you don’t linger on a single shot. so the fact some of the renders don’t hold up, whatever they go by at 24 frames per second. Yeah, you can pause the movie at home now in 4K. and say good lord who approved this shot it looks terrible.
There were sets and miniatures and it wasn’t all cgi. Yes we know about the location shooting and miniatures. But the overwhelming amount of the movie was shot on greenscreen with a digital backlot, and actors shot separately from one another as elements. Actors acting to nothing, doesn’t help.
I only think two shots in the PT look legit not good to me off the top of my head. Obi, Mace and Yoda walking together in AOTC, and some bits of Mace and Anakin walking as Anakin tells Mace that Palpatine is a sith in ROTS. Most else fluctuates or doesn’t really bother me. Not everything may look fully real, but most of it doesn’t look too out of step to me for me to be taken out of it really much.
He was pushing for shooting digitally when it looked like ass, cameras meant for news footage. Episode II will never look good. on III they got the technology a little bit better. But they will never look as good as 35mm shot movies on film.
The part that makes no sense to me is George decided no Clone Trooper suits. It had to be faked in cgi.
General audiences did not care the films look like animated cartoons in places or CGI animated. Lucas was able to get away with it because you don’t linger on a single shot. so the fact some of the renders don’t hold up, whatever they go by at 24 frames per second. Yeah, you can pause the movie at home now in 4K. and say good lord who approved this shot it looks terrible.
There were sets and miniatures and it wasn’t all cgi. Yes we know about the location shooting and miniatures. But the overwhelming amount of the movie was shot on greenscreen with a digital backlot, and actors shot separately from one another as elements. Actors acting to nothing, doesn’t help.
Anakin94 made a good point on the previous page; that on the old CRT TVs perhaps some of the CGI issues possibly didn’t look too bad… though once we got the blu rays (and later the UHD/4Ks) as well as higher quality TVs… the numerous CGI issues become more apparent / noticeable / jarring etc?
And that’s before we go down the whole ‘shooting digitally’ limitations of the time - in comparison to quality of film (though that may well be better suited for another thread) 👍.
For me, many of the quality Fan Edits on here have done an admirable job in addressing the multitude of CGI issues in the PT.
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I honestly don’t see the point of all the criticism of CGI in the Prequels. Sure, a lot of it hasn’t aged well, but how else were they supposed to tell the story? Practical effects can only do so much, you know.
Maybe some constraints would have done the story some good. I’m sure others will disagree, but I’m inclined to think so.
I honestly don’t see the point of all the criticism of CGI in the Prequels. Sure, a lot of it hasn’t aged well, but how else were they supposed to tell the story? Practical effects can only do so much, you know.
I think it comes from the generation, like me, who grew up with the OT being our obsession and fandom with SW. You could always say they were using “outdated” effects in the mid-late 90s…but none of it was just cringe. The “limitations” of the time turned into being the most charming thing about how things were pulled off. We all know the story of George rushing his production crew threw more and more cgi additions with little timing and stretched budget…because he had no limit.
So yeah, Jar Jar stepping in poop and being subjected to animal farts was embarrassing and when the digital effect looks wonky…you’re going to get criticism. And there’s nothing from ROTJ that excuses the PT for having goofy/half done cgi in a movie that’s already got problems with dialogue, romance or overall normal storytelling with characters and motivation. 🤷♂️
Call me old, but I was 18 when TPM came out and was pretty much the biggest SW obsessed nerd lover in Memphis, TN. You couldn’t imagine my hype,devotion and relief to be alive to see that movie. Then we watched it…😳😳. Nah’meen??
I think it comes from the generation, like me, who grew up with the OT being our obsession and fandom with SW. You could always say they were using “outdated” effects in the mid-late 90s…but none of it was just cringe. The “limitations” of the time turned into being the most charming thing about how things were pulled off. We all know the story of George rushing his production crew threw more and more cgi additions with little timing and stretched budget…because he had no limit.
So yeah, Jar Jar stepping in poop and being subjected to animal farts was embarrassing and when the digital effect looks wonky…you’re going to get criticism. And there’s nothing from ROTJ that excuses the PT for having goofy/half done cgi in a movie that’s already got problems with dialogue, romance or overall normal storytelling with characters and motivation. 🤷♂️
Call me old, but I was 18 when TPM came out and was pretty much the biggest SW obsessed nerd lover in Memphis, TN. You couldn’t imagine my hype,devotion and relief to be alive to see that movie. Then we watched it…😳😳. Nah’meen??
I wouldn’t argue I’ve perceived the CGI in TPM as half done. Off, maybe, not fully realistic, but I don’t think that matters as much to this overall.
I think the issues with the PT are really present about half the time overall, to me. Anakin and Padme’s romance dialogue more than not mainly the majority of the dialogue I think doesn’t really work to me as an example.
The film grain in the theatrical cut of TPM really does wonders to that awful CGI that’s in all the official home video releases
The film grain in the theatrical cut of TPM really does wonders to that awful CGI that’s in all the official home video releases
I can see how that wouldn’t maybe necessarily be obvious though when they were making the movie.
All credit and kudos to Phase3 for noticing this in TPM…
0️⃣ • Introduction
1️⃣ • The Phantom Menace
2️⃣ • Attack Of The Clones
3️⃣ • Revenge Of The Sith
4️⃣ • Your own irksome / noticeable / poorly executed CGI scenes & CGI-affected scenes from the Prequels…
The above 15 topics for each of the 3 PT films are my own personal take on some of the many scenes that stood out to me. It is be no means a ‘definitive list’ or even a ‘comprehensive list’ of substandard / noticeably poor CGI issues in the Prequels…
Everyone’s mileage may very much vary on just what constitutes poorly executed/affected CGI in the Prequel Trilogy films.
Please add your own problematic / poor CGI scenes / irksome CGI issues / any scenes I’ve overlooked… in the thread, below…
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All credit and kudos to Phase3 again for noticing this in TPM…
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Yet more credit and kudos to Phase3 again for noticing this in TPM…
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All credit and kudos to JoyOfEditing for noticing this in AOTC…
and JoyOfEditing’s quickly fixed shot for the CGI snafu…
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What exactly is the point of trying to catalog every single movie mistake in this trilogy? Especially when it’s not like it’s unknown that the prequel trilogy has them. This isn’t some repository of evidence proving a point. It feels like those 12+ hour long youtube videos nitpicking every single movie mistake and plot hole in the sequel trilogy, which people rightly called stupid. It doesn’t actually give you any deeper insight into these movies, and the movies you did like are full of them too.
What exactly is the point of trying to catalog every single movie mistake in this trilogy?
This isn’t a ‘movie mistake’ thread at all - as mentioned previously in the thread…
The above 15 topics for each of the 3 PT films are my own personal take on some of the many scenes that stood out to me. It is be no means a ‘definitive list’ or even a ‘comprehensive list’ of substandard / noticeably poor CGI issues in the Prequels…
Everyone’s mileage may very much vary on just what constitutes poorly executed/affected CGI in the Prequel Trilogy films.
Please add your own problematic / poor CGI scenes / irksome CGI issues / any scenes I’ve overlooked… in the thread, below…
Especially when it’s not like it’s unknown that the prequel trilogy has them. This isn’t some repository of evidence proving a point. It feels like those 12+ hour long youtube videos nitpicking every single movie mistake and plot hole in the sequel trilogy, which people rightly called stupid. It doesn’t actually give you any deeper insight into these movies, and the movies you did like are full of them too.
To you it feels like that (I wouldn’t know - I tend to avoid the type of 12+ hour videos you refer to) - to others it may feel different - probably more so to the other members who’ve come up with their own ‘CGI-issue’ additions on here - or those who simply enjoy or like this type of thing.
As stated before in the OP of the thread (as well as other reasons given as to why I started the thread)…
There used to be a great image thread from back in the day on here re PT CGI issues - though I can’t find it anymore - plus many of the image links have very likely broken over time (photobucket and other older defunct image sites) - hence this new ‘centralised’ thread.
If you have an issue with it feel free to simply skip the thread - there are many threads on here covering a wide array of topics. This is merely but another. Each to their own and all that. 👍
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