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Poor quality CGI and CGI-affected shots & scenes in the Prequel Trilogy films… — Page 2

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Channel72 said:

I’ve actually met people that claim they can’t tell if something is CGI. And there are people who defend the Prequels saying they can’t tell that the Clonetroopers are CGI.

When I was a young kid, I often couldn’t tell CGI and practical effects apart. There’re times I’ll revisit a movie/TV show I haven’t seen in decades and see obvious CG in play, then find myself flabbergasted that I was ever taken in by the effect. In the case of the prequels, I knew most of what I was seeing was clearly CGI, though I failed to realize all the clonetroopers in AOTC were digital.

I refuse to dehumanize anyone. Your ethical/moral/political/religious views may be utterly repugnant to me, but I strive to hold Luke 23:34 close to my heart.

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On the other end of the spectrum as a kid I never fully bought anytime claymation was used, the chess board can be excused as some janky game, but that Tauntaun man I dunno…and maybe this is too far but Yoda in ESB looks great as long as he’s not talking, he’s no ET, barely a ninja turtle, but he was the first of his kind in a way so it’s forgivable! Unlike the prequels…hmm, maybe this isn’t actually a very good faith argument.

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Sure, but puppets and animation at least have the tangible feeling that human hands were involved, and there was really something there on the day (or after on a scale go-motion set). Your brain can just tell somehow. Bad opticals on the other and might be more of a problem, but there aren’t really many in SW.

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Well the more cgi they use and the more amount of shots a film has, the worse the quality is going to be.

You look at all the television and films that use cgi. Effects houses are stretched thin. CGI has gotten noticeably worse but not in all cases. What I worry about is the application of AI, over actual human artists who do the cgi, if you can even call it art.

This is more about the advent of its use as a lazy catch all like everything digital, we’ll fix it in post.

I wonder what it must be like to be on a set that is nothing but bluscreen and greensceen, and actors being shot separately as elements like in Avengers Doomsday.

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Mocata said:

Sure, but puppets and animation at least have the tangible feeling that human hands were involved, and there was really something there on the day (or after on a scale go-motion set). Your brain can just tell somehow. Bad opticals on the other and might be more of a problem, but there aren’t really many in SW.

Sometimes it’s too tangible to the point of looking unintentionally rubbery or miniature, could even make an argument for rushed matte shots, it depends how you measure your idea of lifelike, Dud Bolt is all real in The Phantom Menace, but he sticks out in his own way vs the other racers, he is clearly a rod puppet with little to no articulation. ymmv

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Mocata said:

Those kind of machinery / vehicle effects always stand out, but they are nice, I remember them in The Rescuers Down Under. Years later they’d be in all kinds of stuff.

On a related but not-CG note, did you know there’s one shot of a rotoscoped bell ringing in Disney’s Robin Hood?

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timdiggerm said:

Mocata said:

Those kind of machinery / vehicle effects always stand out, but they are nice, I remember them in The Rescuers Down Under. Years later they’d be in all kinds of stuff.

On a related but not-CG note, did you know there’s one shot of a rotoscoped bell ringing in Disney’s Robin Hood?

I probably would see it if I watched it now, been many years. They weren’t against cutting costs in that era.

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Mocata said:

timdiggerm said:

Mocata said:

Those kind of machinery / vehicle effects always stand out, but they are nice, I remember them in The Rescuers Down Under. Years later they’d be in all kinds of stuff.

On a related but not-CG note, did you know there’s one shot of a rotoscoped bell ringing in Disney’s Robin Hood?

I probably would see it if I watched it now, been many years. They weren’t against cutting costs in that era.

https://youtu.be/wTqQrRZi66Q?t=128

I think, much like the wagon in B&B, it’s because hand-drawing that kind of rotation of what ought to be a complex 3d shape is really really really difficult

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