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I think John Williams music is incredible. It might be overrated in terms of how great the prequel scores are viewed as like the best in the Star Wars series, I wouldn’t go that far. But I’m quite fond of the score for Phantom Menace.
I think John Williams music is incredible. It might be overrated in terms of how great the prequel scores are viewed as like the best in the Star Wars series, I wouldn’t go that far. But I’m quite fond of the score for Phantom Menace.
The story has shades of brilliance, but it is executed so poorly.
But Palpatine corrupting and manipulating the Jedi and turning the public against them and persuading their greatest hero to change sides turning their greatest hope into defeat, is good storytelling.
Promising peace and order to a galaxy thrown into chaos, a chaos Palpatine caused because he started the Clone Wars.
Anakin makes a devil’s bargain for his wife’s life but engineer’s her fate by trying to prevent it.
The died of broken heart might be poetic, but I do agree it is stupid.
It is a warning as well of how Republics fall to audacious dictators who promise things they have no intention of delivering on and dividing the people.
Who give rousing speeches, who promise to restore a golden age and appeal to a nostalgic past that never existed.
The memes.
I refuse to dehumanize anyone. Your ethical/moral/political/religious views may be utterly repugnant to me, but I strive to hold Luke 23:34 close to my heart.
The power of the prequels is, to me, the emotion and the drama. The character interactions, the slow dialogue. But then I am a sucker for soap operas. I can’t help it. To me they give a depth to the saga that it wouldn’t have otherwise.
Are they all good as films though? Hell no. I would say Phantom Menace is the only one that is actually a brilliantly made film. In terms of pacing (the theatrical version in particular), iconic shots and atmosphere. It is my favorite Star Wars film together with Return of the Jedi.
Attack of the Clones is a boring slog to watch IMO. Revenge is the Sith is a wonderful powerful drama unfolding to the viewer, but in terms of film falls short. It sometimes feels more like episodes of a TV series cut together into a film-length experience.
In the end I do enjoy both Menace and Sith, but it is only the first one I consider good.
The casting.
Hayden Christensten looks like a young Darth Vader. He has the body language down.
Also Natalie Portman.
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The variety of settings and the art design.
I like the lightsabers that are based on the ones in the original trilogy.
But i have the same problem with them i do with the DIsney trilogy they don’t look used universe. They look too new and shiny.
I like Mos Espa and Otoh Gunga as set pieces or places that people reside.
The Baroque style of the Jedi Temple on Coruscant is interesting.
But i have the same problem with them i do with the DIsney trilogy they don’t look used universe. They look too new and shiny.
I’ve never understood this complaint about the prequels. Now, I think the art direction for the PT is definitely off in many regards; there should’ve been a more retro-futuristic/fantasy aesthetic than what was presented. But being set before the dark times, things should look new and shiny.
I refuse to dehumanize anyone. Your ethical/moral/political/religious views may be utterly repugnant to me, but I strive to hold Luke 23:34 close to my heart.
But i have the same problem with them i do with the DIsney trilogy they don’t look used universe. They look too new and shiny.
I’ve never understood this complaint about the prequels. Now, I think the art direction for the PT is definitely off in many regards; there should’ve been a more retro-futuristic/fantasy aesthetic than what was presented. But being set before the dark times, things should look new and shiny.
“Lived in universe” doesn’t mean everything has gone to hell. It just means the clothes don’t look like they were constantly brand new, the vehicles have never seen light of day before and the buildings look like they were just finished all in one minute.
And that’s how you can describe the PT aesthetics. Just laziness. Even the Jedi’s boots looked like they only just started wearing them. Boring lack of detail.
The premise of the prequels is that the Republic is decaying and unraveling, and not at its height anymore, so it would make sense for everything to have a used future look as well.
But i have the same problem with them i do with the DIsney trilogy they don’t look used universe. They look too new and shiny.
I’ve never understood this complaint about the prequels. Now, I think the art direction for the PT is definitely off in many regards; there should’ve been a more retro-futuristic/fantasy aesthetic than what was presented. But being set before the dark times, things should look new and shiny.
You’d be correct about Coruscant. But there should be dirty and lived in worlds like Kashyyyk and Tatooine. And Naboo would be Art Nouveau and renaissance. With some Asian inspired culture. Tibetan.
The design of the Jedi robes and lightsabers would be more spartan as they are about blending in with the people and wear the robes of commoners. Farmers.
The Underworld of Coruscant for instance would be seedy and dirty. The metropolis of the seat of government would be futurist and clean and antiseptic.
My son and I were having a conversation about Star Wars, and I said how the prequel Jedi should have had cool black suits like Luke in Rotj.
“Those prequels just made them all dress like Ben Kenobi, it’s silly.”
Then he pointed out how Anakin’s ghost was dressed like that since 1983…
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Yet another reason for there to be a more nuanced difference between Jedi Knights and Jedi Masters. The Tatooine farmer garb would signify a Jedi Master who would be more humble and pursue the ways of teaching and peace. The black clothing would be the uniform of the Jedi Knights in service to the Old Republic, warrior monks who wield laser weapons and do battle with evil. That way, Anakin’s choice to shed his black appearance and reappear in humble peasant robes would signify that he has chosen the role of mentor to Luke like Ben and Yoda have done, while Luke is still wearing the black of the Jedi Knight.
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Regarding ghost Anakin having the Tatooine robes, Anakin was from Tatooine so many people have made the argument that it is representing that, not the Jedi uniform. Or, over the few years since the first movie’s release it had become the “Jedi look” due to Obi-Wan’s appearance already becoming recognizable as Jedi, so they just stuck with it for him too.
Perhaps they’ll make some older Jedi sect or faction use the black garb, so maybe Luke had found old holograms of them and based his appearance on those images. Maybe early Jedi history would show a ton of differentiation between different groups. Tython Jedi, Ossus, Jedha, Dantooine, Coruscant, maybe they all were varied, but as time went on they became more homogenized. So the distinction between a Jedi Master, a Jedi Knight, were visually clearer before the prequel robes were adopted by the whole Order, losing some of its meaning. I do like the irony that although the Prequel Jedi had become very monk-like regarding attachment and possessions, they were living in an ivory tower, wearing clean, pristine leather boots, only going on missions at the Senate’s request. I feel like it is fitting, but obviously I’m looking at it from a Watsonian angle. Not arguing that it is just me trying to rationalize Lucas’ decisions.
For fans of Stover’s novel Revenge of the Sith, there will be a deluxe edition released in October. The list price is 60 dollars, is quite expensive for a hardback. 170 new annotations and a new introduction by Stover.
I remember thinking in some ways the novel was better than the movie.
Regarding ghost Anakin having the Tatooine robes, Anakin was from Tatooine so many people have made the argument that it is representing that, not the Jedi uniform.
I prefer to believe that Anakin modelled his spectral form after Ben’s in an effort to make his appearance as benign and comforting to Luke as possible. A militaristic black uniform may’ve been a tad off-putting.
I refuse to dehumanize anyone. Your ethical/moral/political/religious views may be utterly repugnant to me, but I strive to hold Luke 23:34 close to my heart.
there is a nostalgic connection to these films after all… I wonder if kids these days will feel the same way about the sequels
I love what the Plagueis the Wise story says about Palpatine and even find it darkly amusing.
Plagueis considers his ability to preserve life his greatest power and believes that by withholding it from Palpatine he can use it as a carrot on a stick to keep Palpatine from killing him. However, Palpatine is such a true psychopath that he doesn’t give a shit about that ability and kills Plagueis anyway once he’s learned all the other things he believes are actually useful to him.
Should’ve withheld force lighting or the like instead.
Sheev was so dumb that instead of getting the secret from his master he killed him. Or wasn’t there a comic where they both shot their evil force into the universe to create Anakin… so maybe he did know the secret? I dunno.
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I remember thinking in some ways the novel was better than the movie.
Like others have mentioned online… I remember thinking they should actually make a movie based on the novel by Stover.
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I wasn’t fully negative on the prequel then. I rented the soundtrack from the library, read the comic and book. Played the ps2 game. I had the Rinzler book on the making. Since then I find the film very unrewarding, too much cgi. I do like John Williams end credit and sat in the theater to listen to it.
I just don’t think it’s nearly up there with Empire like Prequel kids do. And I have a great deal of issues with Return of the Jedi, but it’s still better than Revenge of the Sith.
Return has a lot of the same issues of Phantom Menace. But was much less impressive in scope. I think with episode I George tried to push digital too far, way too many effects shots. Jedi had its moments, the Jabba set Sail Barge, Death Star II. Space Battle.
The Duel of the Fates I enjoyed, but if you slow it down it looks like a dance off and not a sword duel. Too choreographed.
Jar Jar is horrible, and I used to say he is an accidental hero. The court Jester character. The fool. The only time I found he was hilarious was in that Temple of Doom episode of Clone Wars.
I disliked petulant Hayden Anakin. It’s all Obi Wan’s fault he’s holding me back. Someday I’ll be the most powerful Jedi ever, I promise you. In episode II. Though Padme and Anakin getting captured was funny, and Obi-Wan saying good job. We came to rescue you and got captured. I sort of like the movie serial goofyness of them walking around the droid factory. But the cgi of Padme on the conveyor was ridiculous. Like the Space Taxes in part one, what does killing Padme achieve when Jar Jar already approved the emergency powers. I don’t get the trade federation angle, and Sidious whatever he was doing. Other than the war has begun.
Even Midichlorians are understandable in Phantom Menace even if i dislike them. Though I’ll say Red Letter Media might have scored a point about no central protagonist in the film. Even when it’s supposed to be Anakin in Phantom Menace. There aren’t characters there are barely archetypes. I like Qui-Gon but what does he do in the plot other than to be likable and warm. He exists to get killed to set OBI up on his hubristic journey to helping create Vader.
Obi-Wan and his detective adventure is ridiculous but made me smile. His fight with Jango is not bad. I don’t hate Jango. Though I’m not certain he needed to exist or Boba needed to be a Clone.
I don’t have a lot of thoughts about Revenge of the Sith except for all the cartoonish looking cgi scenes. Obi-Wan riding a lizard. Fighting Grievous. Palpatine losing to Mace on purpose and pretending to be weak. Mace being blown out a window due to unlimited power. Anakin being dumb and easily fooled to join the Sith. Obi-Wan looking into the recordings of the Younglings. The overly flashy and without substance duel. Too much cgi,too much lightsaber twirling.
Some of it is forgivable, but not Padme dying of a broken heart and never establishing the rebellion. Yoda losing to Sidious like a putz. Yoda being Chewie’s friend, and no mention of this is made of this in Star Wars 1977. Leia somehow knowing her mother when she never knew her thanks to the retcon ending of the prequel.